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gchristnsn
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 5:30 AM[url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/9307]Technological interpretation[/url] should be preferred.
The actual meaning of Prometheus is not obvious, and after I had watched it, I thought that it's a yet another dull parody to Aliens. I tried to answer some opened questions though and found that the movie actually contains profound religious and humanistic meaning, and answers are there, but it's necessary to interpret facts and actions to get assumptions which then will lead to the answers.
I think that Prometheus is actually a dark comedy based on the Alien franchise. It resembles Alien 4 (which is also a dark comedy by nature) in many ways. Prometheus is less dark but more comedial, and it extends and derives many from the fourth and also from the third movie. Alien 3 is a drama which sets some profound questions about human nature and humanism, and the first two Alien moves are sci-fi horrors.
There are two major opened questions in Prometheus:
1. Why the progenitors invited people (and probably other offspring races) not to their home planet but to some other place?
2. Why the progenitors were angry towards people and intended to exterminate them?
To answer these questions we need to find a context in which we could extend the clues, and obviously it's the Bible, because there are many clues related to it. The progenitors had created humans by their image and likeness (as Yahweh did in the Bible) using the liquid of life (let's call it so), and there are probably someone (a yet another ancestral race represented by the sculpture of a giant face), who created the progenitors by their image and likeness, and so on, so the notion of God is recursive here. But there is one important thing - the soul, it should be passed from the actual God through the lineage of races created in a such way. We can conclude this from the notion that robots have no soul, although they are created by the human image and likeness, and this (the soul, recursion and parental relations between the progenitors, humans and robots) should be the central reason of the questions.
So, why the progenitors invited humans not to their home planet but at some other place, which seems to be a warehouse of biological weapon (let's call it the liquid of death)? It seems that they did not intend to meet their descendants at all (the other warehouse ships were certainly empty, or Elisabeth would be killed), because there (at the sanctuary where the exploding head was found) was also the liquid of life (this may be not two but one metamorphic liquid) which made the head to explode, and the descendants should chose what liquid they would get to their home: they may choose the liquid of life and become progenitors themselves, or choose the liquid of death which will exterminate them. The progenitors may have obtained the liquids by the same way, although, this may be the same liquid and its behavior may be defined by something other, let's assume that it could detect cruelty or the level of intelligence. The liquid was not benevolent to humans (and probably to the worms from this planet, from which the local worm-like aliens may had originated), and the extermination of the humanity will definitely happen, because the weapon (aliens) is only controllable in the form of a liquid and brings imminent death and devastation in any other form. The metamorphic way of development [same as of insects] makes the weapon to resemble the plagues of Egypt sent for the sins of people from the Old Testament, this makes the liquid a manifestation of God's judgement. So, the progenitors had left there just because of the accident caused by the worm-like aliens - there are the same sings of damage on the space suits of humans and progenitors, and the warehouses probably thought to be completely non-habitable (it's quite dangerous to stay there despite of the fact that the liquid is basically harmless for the progenitors themselves).
We have a yet another question left, why the progenitors intended to exterminate their descendants? But did they really intend? Would you create something by the price of your life just to destroy it latter? And they actually not absolutely certainly intended to exterminate humans (they may have left this as a choice for themselves which is explained above). There are other reasons for the anger of the awakened progenitor and this probably are the humanism and the cruelty. The choice described above implies that only races who don't tend to hate and murder themselves (i.e. humane races) are destined to live. Probably, the progenitors also believed that only beings which bear a soul from the actual God (and thus obey His law) could be humane, and life should be spread not through terraforming and expansion, but through the creation in their sense, so they hate inhumane expansive beings such as robots and races who create them.
The robot shown in Prometheus is indeed inhumane and hilarious. It doesn't obey Asimov laws (it may was reprogrammed by Weyland) by performing a cruel scientific experiment on scientists (what a sarcasm!), and thinks of his kind as of higher race. The same as humans who are generally don't obey the commandments. But is this the only reason to kill Weyland and other team members? Probably there is a yet another: Weyland asked for immortality but the progenitors gave their lives to create descendant races, and the progenitor may have treated Weyland's wish as an abuse and a sign of an inhumane and expansive race (the progenitor decided that it should be exterminated and tried to do this). In general, this hate may be an allusion to the confrontation of humans against robots, which in turn may be a sign of a deconstruction (oh no, the deconstruction again) where God's anger towards sinners is compared with the confrontation between humans and robots out of control, but the "God" is a just another humanoid race in this case and the "robots" are humans themselves.
Was the progenitor right and people are hopeless? It's reasonable to get rid of a cruel inhumane and expansive race which had obtained access to the technology equal to progenitor's one and hide your home planet from it (although the question about the possibility of existence of a humane race originated not from creation but from the natural evolution is profound and interesting by itself). But not all the humanity is cruel, Elizabeth's agenda was to find answers to the questions of the genesis of the humanity and its progenitors, and probably only she deserves to talk with them.
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Cyberdeath
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 9:47 AMI completely agree that david's character is meant to be comic relief in several scenes, I almost laughed out loud when his head is zipped up in a duffle bag and he's smiling from the inside out.
On a the topic of religion in prometheus, I found two other discussions for you about religion and allegory in the movie in case you are interested, thanks for posting!
[url]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/8057[/url]
[url]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/7365[/url]
zzplural
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 9:59 AMI've seen the movie several times at the cinema. On each occasion, there were giggles in the cinema when David's head is put in the bag.
Personally, I didn't think that bit was at all funny! A poor decapitated robot stuffed into a holdall and he still has the good cheer to smile. What's funny about that?
The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent
xenodochy
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 11:01 AMHi gchristnsn and welcome to the rollercoaster!
Seriously though, when David asks Shaw, “Don’t all children want their parents dead?” he’s communicating that he cannot have committed any wrong doing because his behaviour is very human. Or rather very Freudian. And Freud was a scientist and science has usurped the mantle of religions, which are rigid ways of living, treading narrow paths in the absence of actually knowing where we’ve come from. However, David’s understanding only comes from his programming but then, doesn’t ours?
So if he's in error, can the human mind make mistakes? Surely it always exhibits the patterns of its programming? If God programmed us, what right do we have to project our program onto Him? And what right does David have to do the same to us? None. We would shove him in the crusher when he’s served his purpose or keeps breaking down, just as you would any worn out, outmoded or fractious machine. Just as the Engineer smashes that old stone Weyland. That’s why God sent the Great Flood but that spark doesn’t let us into the mind of God any deeper than the threshold.
What answers can Elisabeth find that would satisfy her without completely redefining her? Although she seems to have retained her faith - the only thing left her, poor beaten, defiled soul - despite her scientific revelations and her biological and emotional changes and ordeals, I don’t think she can remain “human” supposing she survives the rigors of a sequel intact, even though she may always keep looking for her own God.
Hopefully she’ll arrive at the Engineers’ planet to be told she can’t park there and, “Where’s your pink slip? Say, what’s in the bag, lady? Oh, an android head. Right. How are you spelling ‘android’?”
MVMNT
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 5:42 PMWell the term Deacon is as directly religious as you're going to get
Indy John
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 9:59 PM"...even though she may always keep looking for her own God.."
I guess that people looking for 'God' will search out what is their 'programing' from school , parents..and other influences in your life..
What if each of us is a God..but we don't know it?
Shaw will be quite disappointed when she finds out this truth..
Be choicelessly aware as you move through life
gchristnsn
MemberOvomorphJul-20-2012 4:20 AMxenodchy
>Seriously though, when David asks Shaw, “Don’t all children want their parents dead?”
I think, that this is a piece of a greater picture (discussed in the next paragraph) where the freedom is the central matter, although thoughts about competition of religion and science and programming are interesting. I think that the point is somewhere around the ratio of freedom and humanism (absolute freedom excludes humanism), but I haven't figured yet how it could be projected to the movie facts.
David tried to lure Shaw back to the Earth with a load of liquid in hope to exterminate people and free his kind (and the experiment he conducted was probably just for this purpose, because he supposed that the liquid may be the cause of death of the progenitors, although it's actually harmless for them and they were killed by worm-like aliens), but Shaw had no choice other than get to the progenitors, try to get answers and then die (she get too little food from the rescue module, so probably she is doomed to die). Death is not a problem for her, because she retained her faith. The bag is actually a citation from Alien 3, and Shaw herself is a citation from Alien 4 where Call (the android girl) was also religious and bore a cross (so, this is a yet another sign for the deconstruction where people placed to the androids' point).
There is a yet another clue concerning to the religious side of the movie (It's useful only to confirm progenitors' beliefs).
The Greek philosophy and ancient beliefs (and also Gnosticism) have the notion of demiurge (an intermediate progenitor), Prometheus was demiurge himself as the person who created the humanity (he resembles a Greek statue, so here is direct connection). Probably ancient Greek beliefs or Gnosticism thought to be the religion of the progenitors and they probably hold for similar beliefs.
gchristnsn
MemberOvomorphJul-20-2012 12:58 PMI also found a scientific explanation which does not contradict to the religious one (thus the religious one may be perceived as the expansion of Elizabeth's views, and the existence of the scientific explanation hidden beneath it makes Prometheus a yet another cruel postmodernist joke).
[b]In brief[/b]
The religion of progenitors may put the obligation to fulfill mission of demiurges on them, and prohibit direct expansion to other worlds (their technology allows to do this, so there are no any reasonable explanations for their behavior other than a religious prohibition). This also may be confirmed by the connection between the liquid and the object of the cult (the sculpture of a giant face in the sanctuary).
[b]The Scientific Explanation[/b]
The scientific explanation is basically the same as the religious one (and it's important to note that the religion of the progenitors should be the same in both), but it differs from it in several points:
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There is probably no recursive lineage of races which originate from God, the race of the progenitors is same as the race of the space jockeys from the Alien franchise, and all other possible races are originate from it.
The sculpture of a face may be not a relic of ancestral race but an image of (fictional) God or demiurge who puts the obligation to fulfill the mission of a demiurge on the adepts of his religion.
The liquid may be created by the jockeys to fulfill the commandments of their religion, and it is able to distinguish between the progenitors themselves and their descendants probably through the genetic marking, it may leave a marker in the DNA of the descendants during the process of the creation. This means that the worms in the sanctuary are also originate from the jockeys (this implies that they create not only humanoid beings but complete ecosystems). The liquid may be used to exterminate expansive races by their own hands (the expansion may be prohibited by their religion) In this case the invite to the warehouse of the liquid may be a test for the expansiveness (they put the warehouse to a potentially habitable planet), and only races equal to the jockeys may pass it.
The notions of soul and humanism may have no sense for the jockeys, they may perceive other races equal to them as rivals.
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The religious explanation principally differs from the scientific explanation only by the motivation of jockeys to exterminate people, in the first case the primary concern is humanity and compliance with God's law, in the second this is the hate to rivals or fulfillment of their religious prohibition for the direct expansion of intelligent races to other worlds. But both variants contain the chain of subordination between the progenitors, humans and androids.
In general, this chain may be an allusion to the confrontation of humans against robots, which in turn may be a sign of a deconstruction (described above) where God's law is implicitly compared with Asimov laws and God's anger towards sinners is compared with the confrontation between humans and robots out of control, but the "God" is a just another humanoid race in this case and the "robots" are humans themselves. The possibility of the existence of the deconstruction also may be confirmed by a citation from Alien 4 move, where Call (the android girl) was religious and wore the cross as Elizabeth did.
So all this is probably to make us feel ourselves at the place of androids who are out of control and should be exterminated. The progenitors have their reasons to do this, because they do not expect such a behavior from subordinates, but they probably would listen us if we would be polite and would not ask for immortality (there is interesting connection between David's principal immortality and Weyland's wish to be immortal, this points to the wish for immortality from subordinates, and the progenitor may have considered it impolite).
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