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deftones1986

MemberOvomorphJul-23-2012 12:04 AM
I have not seen Blade Runner. I HAVE seen Alien and it's my favorite of all sci fi movies, the Xenomorph is just the best. Of course I've seen Prometheus, those of you who know me from these forums can agree on that. Anyway blahbidy blah....... Are the events from all three movies going to be connected in the end? Maybe the Prometheus mission is just a test of a bunch of different types of "REPLICANTS" or some crazy shit like that? Like I said I haven't seen Blade Runner but I will make it a point to do so most likely tomorrow after work. For those of you who have seen all 3 movies: Would this make sense? Would this be a good idea? Would this make all three movies better and cooler? More interesting? whatever you want to describe this scenario in a good light, I don't care. I just want to know what fans of Blade Runner and Alien both would think of all of this, Prometheus just being the missing link to both worlds of Alien and Blade Runner. It seems like a pretty good idea to me persoally since I hear nothing but great things about Blade Runner, and I F****NG love Alien. It's the only logical answer I can think of so far to explain the mind f*** that is Prometheus, and nobody can deny it being a mind f*** to say the least.
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zzplural

MemberOvomorphJul-23-2012 12:19 AM
It would be a bad idea to mix the genres too closely (Deckard ends up tracking down Vickers, who turns out to be a replicant who dug her way out of trouble ha ha). Ridley would not do it. But you could add tangential references like, say, the Tyrell and Weyland corporations co-existing. Personally, I think that Vickers is a replicant, for a whole host of reasons. He's already touched on shared ideas in BR - what it is to be a human, slavery, for example. Check out the director's cut and the theatrical release. There's a take-my-hand VoiceOver in the theatrical release that a lot of fans deplore, but it does give some insight into events that are otherwise unexplained - you know, the kind of thing that some Prometheus detractors love to hate.
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Svanya

AdminPraetorianJul-23-2012 12:24 AM
There is no way the events of Blade Runner could ever be connected to Alien. Yes, Ridley directed both movies but the stories are like night and day. You really need to watch Blade Runner then you will understand what I mean, it's a whole different universe. And I would watch both cuts, the directors and the original dubbed version if you can find it, because the movie has changed over the years.

deftones1986

MemberOvomorphJul-23-2012 12:26 AM
LOL I'm gonna watch it tomorrow I swear!!!

tankgirl

Social LiasonMemberOvomorphJul-23-2012 1:06 AM
you[b] have[/b] to see Blade Runnder deft. its just amazing.....brilliant on all levels you will love it :) @Patch shared a great link and there they had a timeline which included all of those stories you mentioned Its a really cool site check it out courtesy patch :) [url=http://alienseries.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/weyland-industries-timeline.html]Weyland Industries Timeline [/url]
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Svanya

AdminPraetorianJul-23-2012 1:16 AM
@tankgirl; Ty for that link and yes I see two things very early on in that timeline that negate any connection with Blade Runner and Alien. #1-"FEBRUARY 2, 2016 - WEYLAND REVERSE GLOBAL WARMING Using a precursor to the atmospheric processor of his own invention, Peter Weyland is able to generate a localised synthetic atmosphere above the polar ice cap, effectively ending global warming. (Notes: If you wanted to pair up Prometheus and Alien with Blade Runner, you may have a problem here. The 2019 world of Blade Runner is blighted by atmospheric pollution and acid rain. It's best to consider the films as spiritual siblings, rather than inter-related movies.)" #2-"AUGUST 5TH, 2023 - CYBERNETIC INDIVIDUAL PATENTED Weyland Industries earns patent number 8,128,899 for Method and Apparatus for cybernetic individuals in for use in scientific and industrial environments. (Notes: Further distancing itself as a direct relative of Blade Runner, cybernetic beings have yet to materialise, whereas in Blade Runner replicants are already utilised for off-world colony work and interstellar warfare.)"

aircraftfixer

MemberOvomorphJul-23-2012 1:23 AM
I doubt that there is any definitive continuity between the Bladerunner universe and the Alien universe. Where Bladerunner is a dystopian future, Prometheus (as it is before Alien) has Weyland as a super business mogul curing cancer. No one in the Alien universe seems to be miserable or anything. They do complain a lot however- and somewhat justly. Where Alien (and beyond) has androids portrayed as manufactured individuals with unknown and perhaps programmed morals, goals and motives-Bladerunner has indistinguishable-from-biological humans (replicants) displaying to "actual" biological humans that they have souls, hopes, feelings etc.. And they desire to have an extended lifespan in order to appreciate these attributes. Attributes that their manufacturers didn't intend for them to have and react to. Except for Rachel, that is. Humanity on Earth doesn't know or care that this is so. All they want is to retire the trespassing replicants- including Rachel! If David (who, by the way predated the deceptive Ash and the more likable Bishop) is supposed to be in any way like a replicant (feelings, emotions- dreams even!), he has the advantage of having an unlimited lifespan. So even if one takes the android/replicant similarity to the max, there still isn't enough defined material to universally correspond between the two IMHO.

MVMNT

MemberOvomorphJul-23-2012 1:57 AM
It would be franchise suicide

HyperNova

MemberOvomorphJul-23-2012 2:52 AM
You should listen to the directors commentary of Ridley Scott over I think Blade Runner: The Final Cut as he says somewhere upon it in , to be fair, a 'loose' reference between Blade Runner and Alien and this being the only so-called link I could see, he said: that if the crew of the Nostromo in Alien were to have made it back on their return journey to Earth, landed, had got out and walked and come around the block the scene and 'world' they would have walked into would be that of Blade runner. But, as a developer of film franchises of varying degrees, it was most likely meant in the futurist approach to life in that future and each franchise would have a common thread or theme of technology heritage that can be cross-referenced as having the same influence across the board (i.e.) Mega-corporations driving the near-future on and forward into uncertain destinies, near-perfect technology that is not so perfect, that fails us and goes wrong. Unsolved problems that are as real in this 'new world' and as relevant as they are currently. Enviromental disasters, over-population, the idea of cross-colonial exploration and pioneering ventures into deep space, etc. etc. Where as it is not directly implied or stated that these worlds are connected in any way as is the case with Robocop, Total Recall, Starship Troopers, Paycheck, I,Robot, Contact, Red Planet, Event Horizon, 2001: A Space Odyssey, 2010: The Year We Make Contact, Minority Report, Total Recall (remake), Avatar and not forgetting again Alien, Blade Runner, Aliens, Alien 3, Alien Ressurection and Prometheus their is a type of cross-pollenation of technology rites that serves to function theses worlds and their 'futurist' proposals on life in the long march of time during the comming centuries.

David 1

MemberOvomorphJul-23-2012 7:23 AM
You haven't seen Blade Runner? HERETIC!!!!!
[b]Ask nothing from no one. Demand nothing from no one. Expect nothing from no one.[/b]

ulic qel-droma

MemberOvomorphJul-23-2012 7:24 AM
@mvmnt - I don't believe the movie industry is worried about franchise suicide; on any front!

Xenomorph 54

MemberOvomorphJul-23-2012 8:10 AM
I second what zzplural said.
Have you heard of phoenix asteroids? They glow in every color of the rainbow...they travel endlessly through space...

Lone

MemberPraetorianJul-23-2012 10:32 AM
Better late than never deftones. There are so many layers of detail contained within what is probably the most beautiful Sci-Fi movie ever! Enjoy! :-)

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

MishaPL

MemberOvomorphJul-23-2012 2:16 PM
Seeing BR lots of times (one of my fav movies ever) and of course, being a fanboi of Alien 1-4 franchise (it's not too popular to say it here, but I LOVE 3 - especially Assembly Cut - and 4 - as a big fan of Jeunet/Caro movies). Honestly, I believe, that Vicky is a some sort of replicant, as we know meaning of it from BR. Of course, Linda Lost said (somewhere, I've LOST a link to this interview), that Vicky is not a robot/android. Nothing about replicants. So there are a few persons, even here, feeling the same way ;-).
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