mssing scene from alien may hold answer to secreted resin

That scene was discussed already. The alien is turning them into eggs. That's how it's lifecycle worked, until cameron's idea of the queen. And it's Brett.

That was the original idea yes, but they dropped it. And i liked the Queen concept.

First of all that scene is quite disturbing in all kinds of ways! Scarier than Camerons Cocooning version by a Mile! They ARE being turned into eggs! But i think you may be onto somethin there! How does the Mutation start? Maybe it is the foaming? The BRETT thing lol, i always thought that the Alien had rendered him Brain Dead? even more than he already was lol. Maybe it did kill him though and then the Alien somehow injected him with Black Goo, bringing about the Mutation? I don't know, maybe a bit far fetched...But i'm just sayin :-)

Great find, the foaming chemical could be the catalyst for [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG2D-p-UFOo]EGGIFICATION. Here's the scene[/url] off of youtube. Yeah, Aliens BROKE this ingeniously cruel Alien canonic element, with its Loader-fighting Queen. Alien was CANON, nothing else comes near. Also, this adds to my theory that you can RESIN SECRETE a whole structure ... like what 'might have happened' when the first Juggernaut (driven by the seat-ingrown Space Jockey). Even Aliens played with this idea of Gigerifying the corridors of the Settler Base, underground. My contention is the original Juggernaut landed on top of a [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/9614]SPACE ANT NEST planet[/url], broke through their roof, got infested and then got Gigerified too. I'm not sure what the original Juggernaut might have looked like but it was probably a boxy U-shaped craft.

Wait just a second! Does the black goo reanimate dead tissue? You may be on to something with the xenos being able to inject something like the black goo. The mural on the wall suggests that the engineers knew all about the xenos...were they Playing with the black goo and using its inherent ability to modify the DNA of tissue? Maybe they were genetically modifying the xenos black goo to do something different than its intended purpose. I bet that we will see answers to this in the upcoming movies. I would bet that the engineers did not create the xenos, but worship them in a fashion due to the fact that the goo they excrete or inject it detrimental to their ongoing experiments in the creation of life.

this BLACK GOO, is it just another Lindelof-panacea like his Black Smoke? Does this substance have canonical form, is what I'm trying to get at?

Can anyone answer a question for me? as i'm Colour Blind lol. No, seriously! Q: In that paticular Disturbing Deleted scene, is there any Green Substance? I'm only asking because Ridley is a Very Visual Filmmaker, as we all know! So it would stand to reason that the Colours of certain substances have some meaning and there is the Colour Green in Prometheus? Or am i wrong? Green usually means-Go or Start? Black usually means-Nothing or Dead or Death or Distruction? In the Alien/Prometheus Universe?

Oh yes, Ridley's Nest scene was gruesome and cruel. Way better than the "queen" concept made by Cameron. Also explains a lot about the Alien drooling all the time. Also makes the Alien an independent life form with all the benefits that independance from others comes with; which Ash confirms as a "perfect organism". Black goo was present in the X-FIles and had all the mutation factor you could get - Lindelof and Spaiths surely based "their" Black Goo from that show. The only thing that visualy wasn't that good in the Nest deleted scene was the cocooning it self that surrounded both Bret and Dallas. It looked fake. Fake as in a good idea badly achieved - and Artists also have under achievements. Giger surely has painted a lot that has gone straight to the garbage can. The idea was excelent, the very short dialogue between Ripley and Dallas was quite emotional in that scene with the "kill me" bit added later to Cameron's ALIENS. Listening to Dallas beging for "mercy" was - to me - somewhat heart breaking. Also, if the Idea of the "resin" is to mutate an organism into an egg, it is indiferent if that organism [i.e. Bret] had a skull hole or not. His entire bofy could be cocooned.

Brilliant thread This is what I also want to know: what causes brett to change into an egg ? Some kind of gland in the alien that produces a substance that is injected into the bloodstream maybe with the tail that looks a lot like a scorpions tail ?

Necronom: I believe the cocooning was brown. Only the drooling surrounding Dallas was stil white. Bret's cocooning was brown as well and the foam all over him was light brown.

Thanx David 1!

I still cannot understand why people keep comparing the first alien with the other ones. Different directors different ideas. The first alien despite being an original sci-fi had many hidden aspects of psychology, like the birth trauma (remember that the ship was named mother) and the womb-security, other sexual themes were present too like the scene where David tried to kill Ripley with a way that resembled a sexual act with explicit posters hanging on the wall and the fact that the alien killed couples (remember the phrase "I'd rather be eating something else" in the restaurant scene and the killing sequence by the alien). Search it deeper and you will understand that the first alien movie is a master piece that has nothing to do with the sequels. I believe that prometheus will be considered one too but in the long run after all.

geopap: Because people seem to not want to differenciate creativity from Industry money making. I'm with you, if there is a CANON wahtever in the Alien movies, it is Sir Ridley's ALIEN movie, not the other ones. I'm also cool with Sir Ridley reinventing his own ideas; i.e. Prometheus.

oduodu: Who knows... or dare to dream...

I am left with the impression that prometheus was what ridley would have done had he been given the opportunity to do an alien sequel. I ask again was there hypersleep chambers on the derelict ? Why did lambert ask where the rest of the crew was ? What caused her to think there was other crewmembers ?

So many questions... and all we really have are TWO REALLY EXCELLENTLY RENDERED SKETCHES i) alien and ii) prometheus. Though they both make me angry for different reason (mostly Lindelof) I have to say I congratulate Scott for having the balls to break his own legendary canon. Well done.

@oduodu, Yeah I find that to be one of ALIEN's most disturbing questions: "I wonder what happened with the rest of the crew?" In Prometheus, Ridley took it a step further by showing all the dead engineers piled up in front of that door, holes in their chest/head and so forth. So it was clear they all met with the same fate. In ALIEN, we see only only [i]one[/i] Space Jockey and he is fused with the chair. But Lambert is (naturally) assuming there is more than one crew member operating the ship, when that necessarily wasn't the case. The impression you get is that he was the sole crew member, and that added to the creepiness of the scene.

Oduodu: And you'd be correct.