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The story of Prometheus 2

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okan

MemberOvomorphSep-12-2012 12:42 AM
hello guyz, Well, since the 1st part of movie Prometheus was highly inspired by Sumerian mythology ( which tells the creation in details. All the religions born in the middle east and Greek mythology were copied and modified by this mythology. The story of Adam & Eve, the cursed fruit,the genesis, the snake and the tree of life, almost the same life story of Jesus and Davud, Noah's Flood, hell and heaven idea etc. were already told in their mythology 4000 years ago before Christ and 2500 years ago before Judaism. Means this mythology was there before all the other religions exist. For a quick overview ; http://faculty.gvsu.edu/websterm/SumerianMyth.htm) In Sumerian mythology it says that ( I wont dive in deatils when giving the names) Gods came to the earth and started living here. After a while they wanted to have some servants for theirselves to do basic things like cooking bread, agriculturing, harvesting etc. but with no brains. It didnt work at first because these creatures were useless without a brain. Then gods gave him the brain they need to do the basic things.Some gods were attracted by these humanbeings and they have had sex with them and demi gods were born. After a while the gods freed humanbeings when they became too much to handle. After the fights and all the conflictions were brought by humanbeings to the earth with their creation,gods punished them and started killing them. Some of the demigods had the chance to leave and survive with a bunch of humans. In the light of this information, it is so easy to predict the next episode of the movie. These engineers (who have more chromosomes than a regular human) in Prometheus represent the gods who created humanbeings to help them by the command of their god ( which will be the leaders of the engineers). So we will see a story as; these engineers created the humangbeings to help them but humanbeings began rebellious and too much to handle thats why the head of the engineers wanted them to kill the humanbeings. In this case, in order to kill the humanbeings, they created some black substance but they made a mistake because this substance deforming DNA and turning a human into a zombie ,also killed the engineers. When they started killing humanbeings (note that what I guess is; the stroy writer will have an approach as humanbeings were also living on an another planet ruled by engineers), some half engineer-half human creatures escaped from that planet and spreaded one by one to different planets to start a new life if possible. Only the one that we saw in the beginning of the movie was succesful to create the humans because where he came was the earth! The new life and humanbegins started living and the other half engineer-half human creatures contacted with the humanbeings on earth to teach them and remind them of where they came from. I wish the producers never connected this amazingly exciting alternative genesis story with the early story of Alien (the prestory of Alien could be something totally different and an another movie itself). I think this is the one of the worst mistakes that Hollywood made; instead of taking 2 movies (one for Prometheus which had no need to tell the creation of Alien and the other one for the prestory of Alien which could be a simple story telling that Alien was created in the lab on an another planet in the wonder of creation of new species by the human geneticists and it was out of control), they shot one and it was not successful. Thats why they changed the script writers etc. So to say, this is what we are going to see in the next episode I highly guess!
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BigDave

MemberDeaconSep-13-2012 10:36 AM
Agreed i think it may be more closer to a Blade Runner than a Alien or Aliens. I think that by the time Ridley has got half way through Prometheus 3 he would have had his story told.... Which means the last half or 1/3rd of Prometheus 3 is the fan pleaser and where he would then connect the LV 223/Urns/Xeno/LV 426 and why. You see while Ridley wanted to distance away from the Xeno, and while he liked the Mystrey of the Xeno and unanswered questions. I think as his Baby the Alien universe that spawned after his 1979 movie has some lose ends, and i am sure before he dies he would rather finish off and ANSWER the questions and so everyone gets the answers rather than seeing them left a Mystrey that some day maybe in 10 years or 20 years someone will come along and connect the lines that explain the Xeno and LV 426 and its connection to LV 223 and the Engineer/Space Jockey. And rather have someone fill in the blanks in a way that Ridley will never get to see or have anything to do with would make him turn in his grave. Thats why he would rather in the end answer the whole saga in his way, so that there is no need for another movie in the franchise to explain where, how what and why the Xeno was created and its connection with the Space Jockey.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

warrior7

MemberOvomorphSep-13-2012 9:48 AM
I think we can all agree that Paradise isn't going to be a acid shootout like Aliens or Alien Ressurection. But it is going to have a much darker undertone than Prometheus did.

BigDave

MemberDeaconSep-13-2012 8:38 AM
@okan However yes your last paragraph is on the money. The cut scenes showed the Elders, it had dialog from the Engineers that may had given away more about our creation and why, and how the Engineer persevere us and maybe why we was to be wiped out. Basically the wanted to cut the Elders as they wish to show them in Prometheus 2 and thus keep some mystery about the Engineer race, and also the Dialog scenes may had given away clues to questions they intend to answer in more detail in Prometheus 2. Prometheus is simply a Prologue to the Tale that tells of who this Engineer Race are, why they created us and then maybe why they wanted us to be destroyed and maybe also show what other things they created and i dont mean Xenos... So yes the story would parallel Myths like the Anunaki Tales that Ancient Astronaut theorist believe are what the Bible/Koran Tales are based from.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

MemberDeaconSep-13-2012 8:32 AM
"It would be also disrespectful to the religions" Well by already hinting at the creation of mankind was via the Engineers is already going to upset the extreme religious anyway. The movie is treading a thin line over religion, its not trying to pretend to tell the story of Christ... I mean who is to say that Jesus is real, that he is Gods Son? Just because a Religion that is 2000 years old says so does not mean that this the the TRUTH. There are many Religions and Myths than just the Abrahamic ones and many older ones than the Bible/Koran do have some similar things and do share some things with the Bible and Koran. This movie is going the route that all these religions are based on tales passed down by people who interpreted the Space Fairing Creator Race of Engineers as being Gods. The movie is essentially trying to make a movie based loosely on the Ancient Astronaut Theory and thats basically trying to loosely tie Science/Evolution with Creation. So yes i dont think its going to be oh Jesus was the reason for them wanting us dead and that the tale of Jesus is a Engineer Hybrid... It may be that the Engineers sent down various emissaries though out time to try and put Mankind on the Path the Engineers wanted.... but Mankind had its own plans and for most part saw themselves as above the Gods and did not obey the Gods as the Gods intended.

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Custodian

MemberOvomorphSep-12-2012 2:07 AM
[i]oh my god[/i], WHO CARES??? there are LOADS OF (literally (LOADS (OF)) [url=http://www.magictails.com/creationlinks.html]Creation Myths[/url], and that's all they are; myths, stories, Chinese Whispered campfire anecdotes at best: drug addled ramblings from some tribal 'witch doctor' at worst. Prometheus's MAJOR SIN (if you 'dig' that parlance) is that it SHIED AWAY from its claim of explaining the original gigantic (Ganesha/Oliphant) Space Jockey and it didn't "scare the shit out of us" none of us -- and don't talk to me about bald muscular Michealangelo space jesus, purleeeze. Oh, side note: the DAVID in the film 'might be' about the (Michaelangelian) David who vanquished Goliath? The lone combatant taking down the Goliath army? The original Engineer, combating the Pilots? I dunno, what do I know, I'm not even real (just a random projection by the moon). LOL
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BigDave

MemberDeaconSep-12-2012 9:13 AM
lol Take it the only Myth you believe in is the Hindu one then ;) Yeah there is no solid proof for any of these things, but then the same is said with Science, only Science has a excuse it can keep changing the rules, the findings etc... but thats the whole point to Science... Regardless a lot of Science to do with the creation of all things are not and do not have 100% Proof either. With regards to Prometheus yes it tries to tie in a number of creation myths with persudo science and the Alien Universe. Its may carry some themes from those but it is by no means going to be a retelling of any specific Myth. Regarding David, well did he not go in to become the first King of Israel? Maybe this could develop in Prometheus so that David wants to become King himself. Its not quite sure were Ridley will go with Prometheus but i feel Prometheus 2 will go further from the Xeno and we will see more about the History and Agenda of the Engineers and Elders.

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warrior7

MemberOvomorphSep-12-2012 11:20 AM
If Scott really wanted to pull away from the Alien franchise, the story never should have been about the engineer in the first place. They created the xenos thus proving nearly impossible to explore their culture deeper without further explaining the xenos and/or deacon and black goo. Eventually, when Shaw and David reach the engineers and their elders, they are going to wonder why they wanted to kill all humans and the creation of the bio-weapon. I can't be the only one who sees this. Am I?

BigDave

MemberDeaconSep-12-2012 11:42 AM
You make some good points...... I think this movie was a introduction to the Engineers, but then it also had subtle hints about the Xeno.... And if Ridley wanted to go away from the Xeno in Prometheus 2 he could do a movie about the Engineers and their relation to us and other things and not the Xeno. Maybe this is why the Elders scene and Engineer Dialog scenes was cut, so that this movie then has the feel of a introduction to who was behind the Space Jockey suit and a lose connection to the Xeno. There are a few lose ends now with the Deacon in LV 223 (unless it gets to Shaws ship which i doubt as it takes time to gestate a Chest Buster) and then there are Urns left over. And surely Weyland Corp members on Earth may want to know what happened and then we have Shaws message. But this would lead to a movie that would create plot holes for Alien, unless they go for a Reboot and thus Prometheus has as much to do with Alien universe as the Dark Knights did with the 90s Batman Movies. So hopefully after Prometheus 3 there is some way of showing the destruction of LV 223 thus no one in Alien-Alien R finds the place. As far as the other Engineers. Well maybe they either dont know we are alive, or even created, maybe they think we are dead, maybe they know we are not and are not bothered. Because Prometheus 2 is not going to be a good movie if Shaw and David turn up at the Home World and the Elders go.... What the F are you doing alive i thought we had you destroyed? How long would David and Shaw last..... and then would they not send down a mission to finish the job... And why did they not check upon the status of Earth or LV223 over the last 2000 years.... UNLESS...... The Home World Engineers are all but dead and only a few left who just want to keep themselves to themselves. Or they are not aware of who we are. Which brings me back to Prometheus.... did the Engineers on LV 223 or those at the start of the movie Steal the Secrets of the Goo or some other Fire/Tech from the Homeworld Elders or Gods. Without their knowledge or consent..... And ultimately they got burnt by that Fire when they tried to use it to wipe out evidence of their first stealing of the Fire.

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darthmongo

MemberOvomorphSep-12-2012 4:55 PM
This thread goes into a bit more explanation: http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/7436

okan

MemberOvomorphSep-12-2012 7:38 PM
Well, first of all thank you all for appreciating my predictions. Secondly, for sure the writers will never ever combine this story with Jesus Christ, Judaism or Israel. That would be the most stupid thing ever told in a movie like telling the story of Alien over the genesis of human! It would be also disrespectful to the religions. Since we know that the big bossed of Hollywood are all mostly Jew, they will never ever let anyone try to explain where their religion came from! Look what happened to Mel Gibson and Lars Von Trier! The only reason Ridley cut those scenes is because they were a spoiler from 2nd movie telling that the engineers have their own leader with more chromosome that make them more intelligent and sophisticated. They created humanbeings as their servants. When humanbeings became too much too handle they decided to kill them. But of course, there is always a system bug; Some engineers tried to help these humanbeings and saved some of them and they started a new life on earth. Shaw will learn this story. We shouldnt expect more. Since the first movie was not as big success as it was expected just because its story writers and screenplay, so they wont take any risk of being stupid. Thats why they will stick to already loved and already made sense myths.

Engineering

MemberOvomorphSep-12-2012 10:57 PM
Ohhhh, here we go again with the "original gigantic (Ganesha/Oliphant) Space Jockey" rubbish. [img]http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/images/smilies/thwak.gif[/img]
[IMG]http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q507/Engineering211/sig2.jpg[/IMG]

strobe

MemberOvomorphOct-14-2012 12:49 AM
I think the point will be - in the end- that human nature is the real "monster." The engineers realize that by creating us they've only mirrored their own self-destructiveness in us (and any other engineered species.) The xeno genetic strain isnt just a weapon, but is a way of re-engineering their creations and returning nature to survival of the fittest at a more primeval level as to avoid the universal spread of the worst contagion.... us.

warrior7

MemberOvomorphOct-18-2012 9:29 AM
Bet you anything that somewhere under the classified files on the Weyland-Yutani Website are subtle hints at the xenomorphs and black goo. I can feel it in my bones

dominicdelight

MemberOvomorphOct-23-2012 11:56 AM
ok guys here it goes. when the chick leaves with david to go to the new planet the engineers shoot them down and then an emergency combat suit encases her she kicks open the door blasts all sorts of creatures. then she runs inside there base or whatever and theyre cloning aliens for super dna reasons she grabs some upgrades talks to some friendly engineers gets some help from cool fuzzy aliens then jumps in the core to destroy the mother brain the planet goes into self destruct she leaves dramatically and theres your super metroid/ prometheus 2. thank you

dominicdelight

MemberOvomorphOct-23-2012 2:06 PM
and also at the end of prometheus there should have been and emergency combat suit in the captains eject pod and then she should have blasted both aliends and the new suit would have given her the new found confidence to wage war on the new planet of engineers. that ending would be more exciting and boost sales especially in over seas. super metroid was created with ridley scotts alien visions so its time to pay back metroid with at least a small apperance even without the rights you can make a generic type of suit with energy weapons give us what we want which is a real space warrior not another helpless horror alien victim that actually fights

Visionary Alpha

MemberOvomorphOct-26-2012 12:15 AM
I'd say they're definitely going to include religious elements in the next movie, including Jesus. It's at the center of their ideas.

mixZ

MemberOvomorphOct-27-2012 5:44 PM
This was my idea for prometheus 2 prometheus 2 my idea- It starts with earth and peter weylands nephew Charles bishop weyland has waited 4 years and has had no response from Peter weyland or shaw or holloway and gets worried he sends himself and and an android (ash) to the planet LV-223 they get there and find rubble of the ship prometheus and next to it the space jockey ship they look for any survivors but none are found meanwhile the deacon (alien born from the engineer at the end of prometheus) has wondered into the space jokey ship and hidden in the ship. weyland and ash look around the prometheus rubble and find a recording log and it says shaws last words explaining that death has taken LV-223 they look around the space jockey ship that collided with the prometheus and somehow activate it they are sent for a long journey out of the known universe and they land on a planet and find that the planet Is a peaceful planet where engineers live happily the engineers welcome them they meet shaw and David (who has been rejoined to his body). All is well until the deacon who they didn't realise they brought with them starts killing engineers the engineers blame weyland shaw and ash and David as the murderers they are sentenced to death. When the executioner tries to kill them the deacon head bites him and all hell breaks loose David and ash are astounded shaw and weyland are afraid they all run and eventually find another space jockey ship this one however contains eggs holding facehuggers but they don't know this they fly off the deacon is on the ship however and he kills the pilot weyland who is a human not an android. the ship crashes on LV-426. Just before the credits you see an egg open and a facehuggers crawls out.
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