Evidence of Xenos on LV-223

I am one who thinks both scenarios are valid ways of Xeno reproduction. They use cocooning (transforming the victims into an egg) if there is no Queen. As for what happened to the Engineers it isn't really clear and maybe IF there were eggs or cocoons they were on a different part of the installation that the crew didn't visit. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS5MtzrW1vU]Alien deleted scene: The Cocoon Sequence - good quality[/url]

@Svanya - That makes good sense! Would it then be safe to guess: The eggs on the Derelict on LV-426 were actually from LV-223? They were loaded on the Derelict by an infected Engineer, & taken to LV-426?

is difficult to know what happened to them, because in the mounds of corpses can be seen that the heads have exploded too, plus you remember what happens to the head at the laboratory of Prometheus. I think the engineers were mutated ala Fifield. With regard to the cycles of life, I'm agree with you guys in that the both modes can be adopted by the xeno as survival mode and expancion of the species.

@Shambhala - I agree the LV-223 Engineers were being infected by the black goo/death, too. I can only explain the goo on the control boxes & the hologram scream as being Xeno in origin, though?

@Cerulean Blue I also remember that scream too, and seems to come from another type of creature. Also is quite possible that the eggs are from LV-223...but how is it that they put thousands of eggs in that ship? the cocoons of thousands of engineers? How is that possible? It occurs to me that perhaps they used guinea pigs...perhaps even to other Engineers...remember that they are willing to sacrifice for the origin of life...and the other option would be a queen or at least its equivalent. But Xenomorphs appear to be very old ... so maybe they are the raw material for the process of elaboration of the black goo or final product...regardless of whether the engineers found them or created them.

@Shambhala - Also is quite possible that the eggs are from LV-223...but how is it that they put thousands of eggs in that ship? the cocoons of thousands of engineers? How is that possible? There are thousands of vases in one juggernaut in one pyramid. The Engineers were planning to destroy all of Earth (millions of people & animals), not just one neighborhood. Honestly, I have nothing but guesses as to the actual capabilities of a fully functioning Engineer facility?

I always have believed that the queen is the only source of eggs and when no queen is around, a xeno will still by instinct cocoon a person but they just die a slow agonising death. I think ideally they will cocoon a human in a hatchery near eggs layed by a queen and then when the egg hatches it goes straight for the cocooned guy but this is my guess as this has always been an ambiguous point. Watch aliens for the process I am describing. In the first movie I don't think the whole life cycle was completely thought out yet and the xeno on board the nostromo cocooned some people by instinct like I stated above. Also the lack of a queen in the derelect space ship on LV426 does not mean anything as the eggs could have been immobilized for transport by the Engineers before deposit in the cargo bay that Kane found. That ship could have come from LV223 and keep in mind that they appear to have been developing xenomorphic bioweapons on LV223 so they may not have gotten as far as the more advanced form of xeno as found by Kane on LV426.

@Nostromo001 [i]"I always have believed that the queen is the only source of eggs"[/i] You need to knock that belief on the head, because the Director's Cut of [i]Alien[/i] (not extras or deleted scenes) clearly shows humans being transformed into eggs. There is ample evidence to show that the Xeno's biology is extremely flexible. Having multiple ways to breed only adds to its deadliness.

i like nostromo001's idea. it seems to make sense that if there is no queen to lay eggs, then the xeno would try to morph them into an alien or facehugger. so the queen idea is okay with me, but the other way is good too

zz you are refering to the scene that shows Dallas and Bret cocooned and Ripley hits them with a flame thrower. If you will notice it only shows them cocooned up there, NOT being morphed into an egg. Like I said above, I don't think they really had the whole xeno life cycle thought out when making that movie. James Cameron really improved our understanding by writing in the requirement and now its cannon. I understand your view about flexibility in the xeno lifecycle but I just do not see any evidence of that option. Look again at the Directors cut of that scene and tell me again where it unequivocally shows Dallas and Bret not just being cocooned but morphed into an egg. That scene does not show that zz.

Yes, I am talking about that scene. I'll check it out when I get access to my iPad tonight. In the meantime, have a look [url=http://blog.naver.com/PostView.nhn?blogId=tsp003&logNo=80101996565&viewDate=&currentPage=1&listtype=0]here[/url] of production photos showing the egg's development. NB, some other interesting pics on that page. I didn't know, for example, that the Moray eel's jaws are quite similar to that of a Xeno.

The picture with Dallas could support your view, but it also might just be a bunch of parts thrown together including parts of an egg because they didn't have the life cycle of the xeno thought out; They did through out that scene in the Theatrical release possibly because it confused people. I wish we could find another source to corroborate your theory. I'm still not convinced.

Here's Brett suffering the same fate... [img]http://i49.tinypic.com/xf6usw.jpg[/img] And in close-up... [img]http://i47.tinypic.com/21e9bx0.jpg[/img] Human Consumed by Ovoid Leathery Shape With Lips At The Top. Not sure what more you want to see..

Wow I think what happened was Ridley Scott favored the idea that the xenos don't need a queen and James Cameron favored a queen, but Ridley Scott pulled back the scene in the theatrical release because it gave away too much of the mystery. This is my theory, but I will give you credit for being correct especially in the first movie. The xeno life cycle has evolved with the sequels apparently. But to give the devil its due: You are correct Sir!

Sir Ridley made this world & he should be the only one to define it!

@Nostromo001 I don't know if it even crossed Ridley's mind when he made [i]Alien[/i] that there might be such a thing as a Queen. I'm not entirely sure why the cocoon scene was resurrected in the Director's cut because – interesting though it is – it does kind of interfere with the pacing of the movie which, up to that point, was heading at a frantic pace to the climax. All in all, I'm glad it's there, but I can see good reasons why it might have been ditched in the original theatrical release. @Cerulean: Yes, I'm a Ridley Scott fan, too!

Well i dont think Ridley wants to pee all over the Queen concept... But as far as the Engineers go well the 4 sarcophagus in the Control/Orrey Room 3 of them had Holes at Chest Height the Original Concept work the Engineers inside had Space Jockey Suits on that looked more like the Original concept Art from Alien. And these Prometheus concept Space Jockey in Cryo Sleep had same Chest Bust Rip Cage as the Space Jockey in Alien. Now in Spaights draft the dead bodies some had Chest Buster Holes and others had suffered blows and wounds as if ripped apart and clawed. In Spaights draft its implied that some Engineers was Chest Busted and the resulting Xenos then killed off the rest. In Prometheus again we can see that, but also some head holes and the decapitated Engineer was said to be infected and going through same changes that Fifield and Holloway was. (which is odd as they looked different to me lol ). There is a way to have both Queen and Morphing and indeed a whole host of other things as what we see in Prometheus is far more flexible than the Alien and Aliens movies Morph vs Queen.

To my knowledge Sir Ridley was never asked if Cameron should create his Queen to add as canon to the Alien world, he & Fox just did it. I would compare that to someone painting a moustache on the Mona Lisa & saying it was always da Vinci's intent to have given her facial hair! Sir Ridely is left to accept the Queen Alien as part of the world he created. I have never seen a Queen Alien laying eggs in any of Giger's World's, either? As far as Predators being part of the Alien genre, big fat MEH! This rant has been brought to you by an opinionated Engineer-loving mortal!

Well we have to remember that not much of Alien or Prometheus is really Ridleys work anyways. Fox owns the License and Franchise they could make Paradise a Engineers vs Predators vs Aliens and Ridley cant do nothing about it. Spaights had just as large input on the ideas, Ridley then worked with him and then got Lindeloff on board to make futher changes and asked Giger to do some work and used his ideas as inspiration. Likewise Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett made the Story the backbone for the Story and Plot was already done by them prior to Ridley taking their Star Beast with Fox and making Alien they took a lot of the ideas and got Giger to design the Space Jockey and Ship, the Organism etc. If Ridley wanted to change the way the plot went he should have made a deal that he made Alien 2... i dont think Ridley wants to lose creative control of Prometheus and the potential story of 1) Xeno Origins and Purpose 2) Engineer Origins and Purpose 3) Our creation and Purpose 4) The Weyland Company and how it evolves into what it was in Alien/Aliens. Thus he would have to work on Prometheus 2 and 3 and he would have to explain the above in a way that would leave no door open for others to exploit and change and with Ridleys age he would have to complete his Trilogy within the next 5 years i would imagine.

GOD Speed Sir Ripley!

In all fairness, Dan Obannon and Ronald Shusett made this world. Giger made the monsters. Ridley Scott brought it all to life.

A dream without a plan is a wish. Sir Ridley is the man with the plan!