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MemberOvomorphDec-29-2012 1:51 AMI did a quick search to see if this has been mentioned but didn't find anything directly. When the holo display is showing the crew the only system arrangment that matches the ancient relics, when Holloway states it is so far away and the holo image zooms out, you clearly see orion on the right. This is almost the opposite direction to the reticulum constellation being close to the south celestial pole. Definitely not zeta II Reticuli.
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zzplural
MemberOvomorphDec-31-2012 1:56 PMWe discussed this at length some months ago. The map shown by Holloway is a work of fiction. For sure it contains a representation of Orion to the right, but most of the rest is simply made up. It's not a real star chart. This being the case, it can't be used to make any definitive statement about the location of LV_223.
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Chris
AdminEngineerDec-29-2012 4:46 AMWelcome to the site [b]acheron_lv426[/b]!
An interesting point, I'm going to have to pop in the Blu-Ray and have a second look, cause I'm pretty sure they have Zeta 2 Reticuli posted all over their maps and computer screens.
If it turns out that you're right however, and literally the constellation they visited is on the opposite end of the galaxy from LV 426, then that would be very confusing, haha.
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malex234
MemberOvomorphDec-29-2012 10:26 AMVery interesting point. I see at least two possibilities:
1. Human error in locating the star cluster in the wrong part of the universe. This is the simplest but least interesting solution. Btw does anyone know if the star cluster really exists and if so is the hologram accurate?
2. Ridley has stated that lv223 and lv426 are in zeta reticuli, so if the hologram is right they went nowhere near where the ancient star maps are pointing on purpose. This makes the whole mission a smokescreen to go check out the beacon from lv426. This answers the question of why would the engineers send us an invitation to a weapons facility by suggesting that the invite actually pointed elsewhere. The problem with this suggestion is of course they went to lv223 and not lv426 and Peter Weyland seems intent on finding the fountain of youth or the holy grail or whatever he thought was going to extend his life.

Mala'kak
MemberOvomorphDec-30-2012 8:16 AM@ Malex
What you just posted interests me a lot.
In Spaight's draft David talks about secondary objectives. That might be reversed here, and the secondary objective is more hidden & to get to LV-426. Assuming the whole mission is a smokescreen to get to the signal on LV-426 and the star map was used to manipulate, why would Weyland make them stop on LV-223? Is it simply that it's Holloway's suggestion that the moon could support life and the planet the signal was on had a different atmosphere so they never went to Lv-426?
Would David have known ahead of time that they were in the wrong system, or at the wrong planet, and it took them an extra 37 or so hours to get there?
That furthermore they weren't landing on LV-426 like Weyland planned and he's one of the few other people within the company who knows about that signal?
He thought that LV-223 was only the start of the adventure because he knew there were plans to hop over to the other planet after..
David may have misinterpreted Weyland's dying statement, there was no immortality there, "there's nothing" in Weyland's view. Weyland thinks the signal on the other planet would have led to the true prize.
David says "I know".
Although he knew the whole time that there would be no immortality there or on LV-426... Like Vickers, he may have thought his father foolish--"doesn't everyone want to see their parents dead?"
He knew they were on a pointless quest and wouldn't be dealing with immortal beings...
That's why at the start he mentions the Lawrence of Arabia quote:
"There is nothing in the desert, and no man needs nothing"
He knew they were in the wrong place immediately... and that Weyland would not find what he was looking for in this lifeless place full of only death.
Weyland was after something very particular. He needed the immortality.
David says "he knows" but he purposefully deceives Weyland about what he knows. There is something there, just not what Weyland wants.
There was another form of the bioweapon there and that's what they would have found on LV-426 anyway. Weyland thought he was so right that they possessed immortality.
David knew that if they did, the place would not be a desert... There would have been plenty in the desert.
What they found in that temple was only death, as Shaw tries to warn Weyland.
Vickers tries to warn that if you go down there you're going to die... she still cared about him a little bit...
David didn't warn him about what he learned of their culture...
David wanted to see his father die. Even more than Vickers.
He's simply forced to hide his agenda, and he doesn't mind that it (his programming) hurts him. He had to stay loyal to Weyland....
All he could do was watch him die.

malex234
MemberOvomorphDec-30-2012 12:04 PM@mala'kak
Not sure if acheron is right about the location of the star cluster or not. Not an astronomer. History philosophy and mythology are more my bag. But if archeron is right then the crew and probably the whole world is being misled about the exact location prometheus is heading. After further thought I'm more inclined to think that the human error factor is the correct answer. However after reading an excellent thread on this site titled"lv426 explained: weyland knows about it but deters others from knowing" I am totally convinced lv426 was an objective of the mission. If the info on the bluray is canon then only weyland and david8 knew about the signal. This makes vickers statement to shaw about the agenda being pursued really intriguing as even vickers does not know about the signal.
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