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MemberOvomorphJan-13-2013 7:32 PMOn the Bluray it is stated that Weyland is aware (or suspects, at least) that LV426 is the real source of the beacon.
David is also aware of this fact.
Will he somehow sabotage the journey to Paradise, landing them on LV 426?
(Of course, if there is a 3rd, they might save the direct connection to Alien for that film.)
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nostromo001
MemberOvomorphJan-13-2013 7:35 PMSomehow I don't get the feeling that David would sabotage Dr Shaw's intention to go to Paradise as, for one thing, it would kill all of us that are waiting to see what paradise looks like. This new one is supposed to be about the Engineers and where they are from - this is from what I read somewhere so don't quote me.
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Ruhaniya
Veteran MemberMemberOvomorphJan-13-2013 9:57 PMIt is a dark....very dark universe but I hope David doesn't Sabotage Dr Shaw's journey to go to Paradise either. Although it would be kinda funny if she ended up in hell cause of him. In fact I think he would be very interested in seeing where her faith will lead her...especially when he was so interested in her Dream Sequence where she remembers asking her father if they should help "THOSE PEOPLE!" bury their dead. Her fathers remark was "Those people have a different God" than they do! Which is absolute propaganda cause Muslims believe they are worshiping the God of Jesus and Christian Arabs call God> Allah. Those people who were burying their dead were most likely Traditional Muslims (Sufi) which I suspect with poetic irony will no longer exist when the Prometheus is sent 2091 cause of Ebola, Crusaiders and those who take the Fun out of Da mentalist. David being the reincarnation of Sir Lawrence also had helped a heretical sect of Muslims conquer the Ottomans forever changing the landscape of the middle east... It was important that Weyland had a believer cause in the future there aren't many. David of course would have a programmed respect for that. As for David knowing about the signal from lv-426 is very interesting if Weyland didn't know but then why did they divert to lv-223? Were the maps/invitation more specific? When Weyland dies he say's "There is nothing", and a nice respite from David "I know". Not much soul searching here maybe he's very Zen and has already embraced the great singularity after smoking a joint with these guys: [url=http://youtu.be/zZyQYXtKChc]Avitar[/url]. That's a pretty cool idea about them Xeno's...perhaps they are Dna harvesting for Judgement day. I have always liked that deleted cocoon scene in Alien. It adds more mystery and horror to something that is so ALIEN. Scientists say that life only needs 12 major amino acids to exist yet there are a couple hundred floating around in space. I have always felt that Xenos could live of metal, plastic, rock or anything. With the scene of space snake regenerating it's head, I now feel one might need more than a pulse rife to kill it. Which makes me wonder? Where did those worms come from in Head Room...it was sealed off. Were they placed there on purpose? Funny too that the cylinders and eggs had a similar chemical reactions as if being activated. Ultimately the goo kills and recreates or reanimates. What ever created those eggs was a bi-product of the goo at some point.

Indy John
MemberOvomorphJan-14-2013 12:25 AM You mentioned the dream sequence. Young Shaw asked her Dad "Why do People Die" HIs answer was 'Beacause sooner or later everyone does."
I didn't think he answered her question but tried to give a religious viewpoint.
I might have expected an answer about poor health , an accident perhaps. Even 'I don't know' seemed about right.
Maybe he knew his daighter quite well and thought, because of her inquisitive nature, she could handle his viewpoint of the truth.
THere was no indication why Shaw's Mother passed away. So maybe by Shaw asking about the funeral procession she was actually trying to deal with her missing mother.
In any case I just thouhgt theFather's answer didn't anser his daughter's question.
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cuponator3000
MemberChestbursterJan-14-2013 12:29 AM@indy maybe he didnt want to give her a direct answer. if he knew about her so called inquisitive nature he just tryed to give her something that seemed like an aswerto keep her i guess hopeful for a lack of better words. i cant think of a word for the last one o fmy sentence, but try and make sense of that
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shambs
MemberOvomorphJan-14-2013 5:05 PMI would like to see a flashback about the space jockey from LV-426, and if the sequel will have a prologue (and taking into account that the Derelict is there for thousands of years) then I think that this is the moment to show something about it.
But of course a third film can also establish a connection, but mostly I'm in favor of that Ridley continue with his new ideas and just shows us an easter egg.

Indy John
MemberOvomorphJan-15-2013 6:30 AM"..David is also aware of this fact.."
Fleshvessel
You bring up a fact that has been mention a few times but seemingly forgotten.(No Blu Ray edition in this house..yet)
David knowing about the warning and LV426 brings into question every action we see in the Prometheus movie.
As far as goiung to LV426 would that trip be helpful in uncovering answers?
Maybe David's reasoning is to explore other options, other Engineer leads before actually visiting the crash site.
Then if David has a greater knowledge of the Engineer's world answers might be more forthcoming from the derelict.
In fact is it even feasible that the derelict could be re booted to continue the journey to what we feel is Earth?
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Mala'kak
MemberOvomorphJan-15-2013 9:43 AMDavid could definitely be up to some tricks.
But some of them may be for the better...
In relation to the Leviticus 223 and 4 26 thing, I think David is the priest. Interpreting things a certain way and saying things a certain way to lead the crew.
Holloway also may have known a lot more than he was saying.
His thesis was correct and David was able to speak to the Engineer/possibly read their language.
Although David wouldn't like to admit this ;)
Holloway's thesis was based on the idea that deconstructing the languages would allow David to speak to them, and it did.
What David chooses to say, how he said it, and why he flat out says what Weyland wanted him to is very complicated.
Like Shaw, he knew the place was full of only death and he had some clues as to what this culture may be like. He chose to say things almost exactly as Weyland wanted... which he knew would piss off the Engineer. "The trick is not minding that it hurt" but David couldn't feel the pain of getting his head ripped off. He wanted to see his father dead and he achieved that goal. He couldn't kill him himself, however he knew the plan would get him killed and he was going to die down there, like Vickers said.
He betrayed Weyland by not warning him and simply following orders because this didn't break his programming... Shaw and Vickers tried to warn him. David should have known the risks, but we never see if he actually clarified what Shaw was trying to say. That something killed almost all of them.
Vickers may not have more story to tell if she returns.. Holloway may because he's the opposite of David... the anti-christ/lucifer/fork tongued serpent like figure who lies and tells the truth at the same time. You know how the goo works right? It destroys to re-create.
The Engineers aren't the original creators as Shaw hints.. They're almost reverse engineers of the original designs.
What if the form Holloway returns in isn't a pleasant one and there was actually something in the desert? Something to combine with. The worms had to come from somewhere...
Big things have small beginnings is true in so many ways and probably the one thing David was telling the absolute truth about.
David was wrong when he said there was nothing in the desert...
Both are Lawrence of Arabia references, indicating that David almost sees himself as T.E. Lawrence on an adventure.
"Big things have small beginnings" is taken directly from Lawrence of Arabia, but it also applies to a lot of things David has already figured out or assumed.
"Battle not with monsters lest ye become a monster, and if you stare into an abyss the abyss stares back." Fifield became a certain type of monster because he didn't break down completely first. Holloway ingested the black liquid as the Engineer in the beginning did, only to spawn something else from that original design that was broken down.
Holloway has already been on tours and seen mars, he's already seen some of what Weyland knows--which explains why he's an egotistical jackass like Weyland.
There was no water in the desert but we'll see how quickly the goo must have acted on that original Engineer to reproduce him.
Holloway dies and gets reborn, thrust back into the story... making his sacrifice and pose much more significant.
David is more so like the anti-christ like figure, not Lucifer's fallen(dark) angels that the Engineers represent.He's like the son of a man who was evil and thought himself to be a god, and turns to evil then tries to rule man and destroy the gods.
King David. Because Vickers never got to be queen and the heads have been severed off Weyland's lineage.
David is his legacy now and carries the godly/royal bloodline.
There are some things David may not be aware of.
Like way he prefers and admires the movie his father quotes from in the viral. Like father, like son.
Even though David has gained freedom by watching his creator die, he is still programmed in certain ways.
His very name indicates what he is meant to become: King David.
On the Weyland website it indicates that Weyland had always intended to name his real son David, but never had a real son.
David is the closest thing to a prince at this point.
Vickers words would be true if she hadn't died and Weyland didn't have certain contingency plans in place to help run his company after his death...

Mala'kak
MemberOvomorphJan-15-2013 9:59 AMLeviticus 4 26:
"And he shall burn all his fat upon the altar, as the fat of the sacrifice of peace offerings: and the priest shall make an atonement for him as concerning his sin, and it shall be forgiven him."
In Leviticus 223, David is still approaching the lord as a priest of humanity-- he's above humanity like Weyland was. He feels his crew/followers are unclean and shouldn't be before the altar...
He feels that androids shouldn't be made too close to humans.
And androids may be worthy of approaching the altar.
He disliks Holloway because Holloway is human and he is actually right about some things, which lead David to understand the Engineer/angel's culture more than anyone else and eventually even try to rule some of the angels who were working at the altar.
David may be slightly redeemed for his interpretation of things and leading the humans down the wrong path, unlike the anti-christ of prophecy. He only worked out the broad strokes, and his hidden King/Lawrence of Arabia programming filled in the blanks...
In Prmetheus, on LV 223( Leviticus 223) he may feel the humans are unworthy of approaching the altar.
This brings us to schleicher's fable... Most of the humans are sheep and David is the horse.

Indy John
MemberOvomorphJan-17-2013 7:03 AM".. He chose to say things almost exactly as Weyland wanted... which he knew would piss off the Engineer..."
This seems quite a leap in just how much David knows of LV-223 in general and Engineers in particular.
I might think that David knows more than he shows to then other charactors but i doubt he would p[lan to antagonioze the lasr engineer to the point that he loses his head!
David certainly was the spokes person for Weyland. Shaw's forcefullness in the Orrery was certainly a surprise to David and allowed the action to get out of David's control resulting in his separation of head and body.
Still you sort of wonder just what David wanted to happen as a result of this meeting on the Juggernaut despite his comments to Shaw about not knowing what 'want' means.
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