P II Plot

I have to point out that a xenophobe is not the same thing as a xenomorph :D

Oh, God, yes. Sorry about that.

In Prometheus III we finally learn where the Xenomorphs came from. When a band of engineers and Dr. Shaw and a reconstituted David arrive on the Xenomorphs planet, they find an apparently uninhabited planet with a temple. The temple has pictorial marking which tell a story of one who fell from grace and build a society on this planet. In order to breed they needed a substance, evol, which they depleted and therefore lost the ability to procreate on their own. To prevent the species from dying out, they sent a couple, the king and queen from PII, to the engineers planet where an atmosphere exited and where they could experiment with beings resembling the creator who had banished them. This when they learned to clone engineers and use them to proliferate as parasites within live seeded by the engineers having lost their ability to procreate on their own. As Dr. Shaw and the others explore the temple they discover a pathway to a valley which looks like the garden of Eden. This is where they find a dying creature, the banished one. As the creature dies it transforms through various shapes, including a snake like beast and finally into winged creature resembling an angel. AS they walk through the garden they realize that this is replica of some other world..... which is where the story line ends. We close with the engineers escorting Dr. Shaw back to earth and we see Ripley hold a picture of the aged Shaw as if she was a relative.

Some nice ideas..... Maybe it could go a similar route? Maybe even it could be that the Engineers purpose was as Slaves to some race, who force the Engineers to do a manner of things and to be used as Hosts for their Xenomorphs... Maybe the Engineers got fed up of these and stole or created a substance that then allowed them to clone themselves to create Mankind and one Engineers Sacrefice could provide the building blocks to seed Mankind and thus they could then use Mankind as the Hosts for their Godlike Alien beings instead of themselves... Maybe they also then found a way to use this substance to then re-create beings in the image of their Godlike Enslavers just as the Engineers used to create Mankind in their image... With the goal to maybe use this new substance on the Godlike Alien Race... However with that theory and yours would be the problem that the Engineers came to teach and Evolve Mankind but then we angered them 2000 years ago... so this seems to imply that the Engineers and Elders are a powerful race with their own Agenda in creating us and not merely slaves to another Alien being, unless they was but they broke free by unleashing hell on them..... Which David will in turn bring with him to use on the Engineers as they did on their creators...

A good story for Prometheus 2 could be a more development of the characters on the movie introduction of a few more, like the interactions of the deacon trying to find a purpose, stalking Shaw for mysterious reasons aboard the juggernaut. I think the element of mystery should stay whit the movie since discoveries are still to be made, the deacon should stay and become an ally of some sort due some feelings towards Shaw (mother and creature relationship only that twisted and immoral. live could be complicated and you might get what you don’t want in Christmas.) giving Shaw some new problems and relationship interactions. David knows how to use their maps and when he is talking to Shaw at the end of Prometheus he tells her about paradise but is a lie in order to gain her trust once again, and tells her that they are going to paradise but he course the ship to a more sinister place. Weyland is dead he might be following his will caged in his programing, he is a robot after all, or since the old man is no more he might be trying to gain something for himself “A discovery”. Something to make him complete. The movie could linger in the ship for minutes to unfold a little of the mystery of the engineers, like their explanation of life, but you will only get Shaw point of view. “they created us then they tried to kill us I deserve to know why” to make a more complicated assumption the engineers are creators but isn’t the only ones, they stole the spark of life the black goo for their own vision of immortality or to spread life as they see fit, they aren’t bad they are just too complicated and advanced, just like Prometheus of the Greek mythology (Space could be a pretty big place…). Shaw doesn’t know all this but David know only but a glimpse of this truth yet to be unfold, she is drive to ask the engineers to get her answers for all of those who lost their lives in Prometheus and for her. David is drive to find or fulfill his purpose all in a theme of mystery and betrayal and full of human emotions, since David could mimic all of them to perfection he is cold machine but might be overheating because of the pressure of the circumstances like self-updating software. The deacon lings in the shadows watching and learning as they travel in the ship and David is now aware but decide to stay silent. The deacon could be a vicious creature but whit an unconditional feeling for Shaw and could be even jealous of David for just being close and able to communicate whit Shaw, but decide to ling in the shadows. David is aware of the activities of the deacon and decides to tell Shaw a version of what he assume was the cause of the outbreak (this could be some additional information for people to understand a bit more of what happen in the previous film). They are now arriving at the planet or moon, and David is the only one who could decipher the planet (moon) Shaw is getting a grip of herself knowing that she is so close again to find the answers. They landed the ship and the place is inhospitable again, she finds herself in an unfamiliar place during familiar conditions, she keeps in mind all those who died, and headstrong leave the ship in a dark dusty windy atmosphere carrying David’s head.

I like all of the ideas except for the clone one. I hate the clone idea to be honest with Oceanos.

Not really sure we should see the Deacon aboard the Juggernaut and have feelings for Shaw, as we went down the Mother route in Alien Resurrection. I was led to the impression that the Deacon Chest Busted from the Engineer after David and Shaw had taken off from LV 223 but then they could have it that this event occurred before then. I think the Deacon was purely a plot device to show that there was some kind of connection with what the Engineers was working on with the Goo and Urns and ultimately the Xeno, in that some how there is a connection, be that the Xeno was derived from the stuff in the Urns at some point in the past, or that the stuff in the Urns was derived from the Xeno or its Progenitor. You are correct that there would be nothing to stop David setting off any course he wanted once Shaw is placed into Cryo Sleep as its safe to assume thats where she would have to end up. Then David could indeed visit LV 426 to discover where the Alien transmission that Weyland Corp had intercepted before they set off to LV 223. But to me what would this offer thats any different to a prequel to Alien. Unless it goes that route and its David that somehow creates the Eggs on the Derelict.. which i doubt. Ridley has already gave us the ideas of where they are going... The deleted Scene answers this in that Shaw wanted to know where the Engineers came from and David said Paradise. And this is where Shaw wants to go and David tells her he can operate the Juggernauts and there are many left. We then see one take off at the end of the movie and leave LV 223 We have to look at why Ridley did this movie.... the Alien Franchise never answered these questions. Where did the Xeno Come From and How? Who was the Dead Pilot, what race was he? Why was he carrying that Cargo and what was his purpose? Ridley said that no one ever answered the question of who was the big guy in that chair, where was he from and why did he have that cargo.... Prometheus developed from early drafts to Lindeloffs to be less about the Xeno, but explore more of who that race of Pilots was, and we are led to find out they are a Race of Engineers who Engineered and created mankind. The movie never gave us many answers as we still dont know much about the Engineers or the Sacrificial Scene. The Deleted Scene showed that he was given the Sacrificial Duty and Bowl by a Elder Engineer and we saw from that scene and indeed the images released that was not shown in that scene, that there was a number of these Elder Engineers. There was also Engineer dialog in that Scene that we never saw even in the Deleted Scenes..... These gave us more clues to who the Engineers are but they was withheld from the movie.... Ridley even went on to say the scene was removed because for one, he felt he did not want to give away too much about the Engineers and their culture in the first movie (implies we will learn more in Part 2) And he was not happy with the way they was portrayed as they seemed frail and old, and so not really fitted with a Godlike powerful Race. This tells me he wished to explore the Ancestors or Creators of the Engineers and explore the Engineers more, but he may want to redesign them slightly. Ridley also said that Shaw and David will find Paradise but the place will be far from Paradise, it would be more like a Hell and that the Godlike being/beings they find are not God in the tradition sense (no magical man in the sky) and that they are far from Benevolent. He also said that David has his own agenda and is bringing Hell with him, and wonders what would happen if he Goo infected a God or even a Robot and that would be interesting. These all for me add up to the following.... David and Shaw will find Paradise, they will come across some beings who may be related to Engineers, and also the creator of such things but these will not be Benevolent Race. it would be doubtful that they would kill David and Shaw as that makes a short movie, but no doubt Shaw will want her answers and she will get them but she may not like what she hears. We have to assume a non Benevolent Race that does not kill Shaw and David must have some other sinister plan, but at the end of the day i think ultimately David will unleash Hell on them and thus put a end to the Engineers and their creators thus ending any time line problems with why Engineers or their creators never visit Earth or its colonies in any of the Alien movies. As far as clones go, well maybe they are not clones per say.... but we have to remember that many creatures lack the diversity in appearance that Humans or Dogs have etc.... Every Ant of same Species, every same species of Spider, all look the same, same goes with Bees.... Fish can differ but if we take say a Great White Shark, they all look very similar, same can be said for Dolphins, even Cows, Tigers etc all look similar. They do not have the diversity that Humans have in appearance. Maybe thats the same with the Engineers, not so much clones but they just appear to have all every similar generic look and attributes.

I also wanted to see this go to "Paradise", but not the real one, just a copy of it in part III. In the end, the trilogy cannot answer all questions. It must leave the real answer up to the imagination. I think I know why you don't like the clone idea Annunaki......The irony from Prometheus I is that in the beginning the "Gods" seem such perfect beings in terms of their physique, but they turn out to be morally corrupt in the end because they seem to want to destroy earth. That's why I thought they should be clones, like David, who seems to be perfect in every way, but morally. In my PII story, the engineers are revealed as somewhat exonerated because we learn that they themselves don't have free will, since they are a slave race to the Xenomorphs, who themselves are descendants of the banished one (fallen angel, devil, Lucifer) and his children, the Alien King and Queen. SO with each layer we discover that the search for truth takes us through deception and revelation....each time we think we have arrived, we find yet another deeper layer of disappointing truth.....and that's the moral of Prometheus.......the titan who gave man life and civilization and fire which he stole. So he himself is not morally pure and hence he was punished by Zeus. He was born to father Lapetus, who ruled in Tartarus, the deepest recess of the underworld. By analogy, the engineers are children of the underworld....not paradise. The moral here is that when (wo)man searches for rational knowledge, (s)he ends up away from paradise, not closer. See Adam and Eve who ate from the forbidden tree. To find God we must abandon reason and search for emotional truth...love. I think that should be the message of the trilogy.

All nice ideas! I thought from previous interviews with Ridley Scott an d others that the xenomorphs are geneticly brilliant for survival but very low in intelligence therefore they could not create or control and understand space travel and science in general. But they could pop out of scientists stomach. You are what you eat! I think that Shaw and David make it the home planet only to be amazed and then dis appointed again. The inhabitants, the engineers species, seem disinterested in their guests. They're in the midst of an upheavil that has stunted this civilizations growth for millenia. The magnificent structures and technology are ions ahead of our own but has remained so for millenia. Like the engineers that were left on LV233 with no one from the home world coming to investigate or save them. The reason? The Engineers millenia earlier seeded erath and other planets as well with the black liquid DNA. A few anamolies begin to appear and unexplained parrallels. Monotheism and similarities to christianity.(I'm not being politically correct here! Plus it flows with Shaw's beliefs). It seems that on all the planets that produced healthy human species religon and beliefs in multiple gods eveolved. But for some unknown reason they all were lead to monotheism. Forgiveness, gratefulness and paradise became the one constant. Even the home world's history was very similar again leaving one with the idea that there was something divine, higher than the homeworlds inhabitants. The engineers that Shaw and Prometheus encountered on LV233 were part of a powerful group from the home world that witnessed how these other seeded worlds eveloved and it strengthened a rival majority on the home worlds beliefs. They decided, 2000 years ago, that the same evolution was happening on earth and it had to be stopped. They took a species that did not evolve into humans, the xenomorphs, for their pur destructive capabilities, and would would send them to planets that were evolving like earth. I think a political, philosophical, theological, personal and scientific parrallel in the sequel would keep it alive in our hearts and minds.

Let me know what you think! I'm sorry about the typos. I should learn to take my time. My idea is sort of like what Neil Armstrong said "One small step for man. One giant leap for mankind!" This sort of puts it in perspective. As we watched Prometheus, the characters and the audience were in awe of the engineers! But In P2 we see that there are some things that remain constant, fear, treachery and apathy alongside vision, love and a thirst for the unknown. These are constants that we know after the movie that are at least with the enginerrs species. What was before, we do not know, but in the movie at the end it is revealed that their DNA was not seeded. It is also revealed that our DNA has an anomalie that the engineers can not explain, as do the other relevant planets with humans. It opens up more questions.

you guys have some pretty fantastic ideas! i would like to see some original elements from Dune come into P2. havent decided what as of yet, but its a great excuse for a movie marathon.