Engineer's Speech revealed?!

Wait, is this an actual script or fake? I am a little skeptical because they are making a reference to Jesus. I am not sure it is the real script because Scott's crew would be saying that Jesus was not the son of God. Which would anger a lot viewers who are religious. It could be the real script however. Could someone please let me know?

@The First Child; It looks like it's probably fake, we will verify as best we can, the only real and confirmed script is this one : [url=http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/news/395]UPDATE: Damon Lindelof Confirms 'Paradise' Script is Official[/url]

Thank you Svanya.

If it's a fake, it's a shame! I really enjoyed reading it. It connects a lot of the dots nicely. I could really go with the engineers worshiping the original Giger Alien and trying to re-create it's blood. Also, when David opens up the ampule and pulls out the string of green bulbs, I could see what the green crystal on the altar was. It contained the DNA of the original Giger Alien. Maybe it's just one draft of many? But with it being labelled has draft 17, i'm very sceptical. Does anybody know how many drafts he did?

We don't know how many drafts Mister Lindelof wrote, übt we also don't know how many were published by him or by somebody Else... http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/uploas/ On this Site you can See the files wich wer uploaded. I dont know if there are Fan Uploads, But the Skript wich was written by Mister lindelof is on the site next to the Script i found. I think that more than one real Skripts were Published.

I have read Lindeloffs draft and now read the linked one here... And while it makes some sense and answers questions it answers them far to much and its not ambiguous and Lindeloffs work. Yes it features longer Engineer dialect and the Sacrificial Dialect which the movie did have as cast members said they had to learn Engineer Dialect. But this movies Engineer scenes and translations of their writings are all a bit to much linked to the Bible etc. There are also a number of conflicting parts that i dont think Lindeloff would have made... Myself i think someone has taken Lindeloffs draft, they have then took some deleted and alternative scenes we know about but have never seen... i.e Sacrificial Dialect, longer David and Engineer conversation, the comments from Ridley about a connection between the Engineers and the Deacon and Worship and the whole 2000 year ago, upset Engineers as they killed one of there emissaries etc. The shots of Engineer running from Juggernaut to lifeboat, the Engineer reading the Book found in Vickers quarters (Bible?). The scenes we saw in trailers inc Prometheus has landed quote, the Mercs shooting Fifield while Weyland is making his way to the APV.... The deleted scenes in Full Engineer vs Shaw and the Paradise one... To me someone has got the script of Lindoffs and added bits to fit those scenes in... There are a number of inconsistencies.... Such as trying to explain that the Ghost Engineers when David activated the Orrey Control room, was talking about the Space Jockey on LV 426, that he got infected by the seeders from Cargo 2... This latter also linked as David says when Weyland and co head to wake up the Engineer, and walk past the Cargo Hold, that the Cargo hold is the result of recreate but failed attempt to remake the Deacon Lords Blood, and that under the Orrey room is another Cargo Hold that is where they store the failed attempt to clone the Deacon. This is trying to imply that the Juggernaut and Derelict had two cargo holds, one for Urns and another for Eggs. And that the script names the planet as Archeaon and labels moons LV 133, LV 223 and LV 426... Sorry but i cant see these parts written by Lindeloff... And Smoking Gun............ The description of the Engineer after the crash, showing that he got burnt on his face during the crash, which the theatrical movie kind of hints to.... But if you have seen the shots of the Engineer leaving his pilot chair and running across LV223 surface, and the full scene of when the Engineers comes onto the lifeboat and finds Shaw and picks her up and the shot of him reading the book on floor.... These shot scenes the Engineer has no Burn mark.... In fact if you watch the Trillobite scene and before where the Engineer prizes open the 2nd airlock door, The Engineer has no burn marks... Apart from when the Triillobite first grabs him.... in which it then disappears and then the part where the beast finally wins the battle and inserts its tube down the Engineers throat where the Burn comes back... surely if they are following the script then those other shot scenes he would have the burn face.... nope the Burn came from a not shown shot where the Engineer got it from the Trillobite most likely as he tried to bite a tentacle in order as last attempt to get free... Shame as most of the script does work well, but it was a bit to Bible focused and had lots of errors that dont fit with the franchise and also some of the scenes shot. So i feel what we have is Lindeloffs draft that some fan has added some parts to in a attempt to join some of the dots.

@Necronom 4 If you look at the trailer the Green Orb was replaced by the Sacrificial Bowl... This draft 17 has inconsistencies with the whole recreate blood angle... Before i read it, my view on Prometheus was that they was trying to re weaponize the Xeno Bio Weapon and the Deacon represented a Sacrifice like the Sacrificial Engineer, hence the Bowl on the Altar. The Sacrificial Engineer via Bowl contents broke down into a compound that formed with basic life and mutated it and caused it to evolve and carry on Engineer traits.... Thus some organism was Sacrificed via same method only resulting broken down compound was collected and stored into the Urns.. If this was not the case, then another idea i had is that they worshiped some Organism related to the Xeno, that allowed at some point the Engineers who could no long reproduce apart from using the Sacrificial Goo. That one of them got face hugged by a ancestor or descendant of the Xeno and this Engineer then gave birth to a Deacon.... This giving birth, was viewed as a miracle by the Engineers as they had lost the ability to give birth and thats why they tried to seed mankind to procreate and start a new species of Engineers.. mankind. So they worshiped the Xeno Life Cycle as it allowed them to give birth to something new, and they attempted to experiment and maybe clone or mix the Organism with the Sacrificial Goo to disastrous consequences. ------------------------------------------ Now when i read this draft 17, some of it fitted to what i had read into from the clues... i thought wow i was not that far off then... Until i read deeper... You see this draft suggests that the Deacon they came across at a time when the Engineers could still reproduce, but then it also says that the Deacons blood saved their kind as it allowed them to seed their genetics via this Deacon that is their Lords blood... So the Deacon is their lord. but they was not created by it, it is just something they worshiped as a result of the Deacon being born via Chest Busted from a Engineer ages ago.... which was a surprise to them as they lost the ability to reproduce... But then they came across it while they still could? Then how did they find out that its blood could seed their DNA? And why do that if they could still reproduce at that time..? Sorry does not add up at all....

@BigDave; "If you look at the trailer the Green Orb was replaced by the Sacrificial Bowl..." Yeah I know but that suggests to me that the green crystal and the sacrificial cup, both contain the remnants of the lifeform they worship. They both represent the same thing. "This draft 17 has inconsistencies with the whole recreate blood angle..." I personally love this explination! Them trying to recreate the blood of their lord, leads to them creating something different. It would explain why the "Deacon" is different in design to the Giger Alien. "Then how did they find out that its blood could seed their DNA? And why do that if they could still reproduce at that time..?" The impression that I got from reading this script is that they discovered the Giger Aliens at a time when they could still reproduce by natural means themselves. It doesn't mean that they used it to reproduce whilst they could still reproduce themselves. To me it means that, they discovered it, knew of it's existence, then when they had lost the ability to reproduce, they went back to it to harness its reproductive capabilities. "So the Deacon is their lord. but they was not created by it, it is just something they worshiped as a result of the Deacon being born via Chest Busted from a Engineer ages ago...." I would assume that they would worship it because it is the perfect lifeform. Maybe they are striving for perfection themselves?

Yeah i am not saying the scripts ideas are not bad, i think tone it down a bit in some areas i.e its a bit too less Ambiguous, then you got a good story. I do like the (use of Lords Blood) concept and how they tried to recreate it but failed and created something else, i think its a nice idea. However i do think that these parts added are not Lindeloffs work, i feel its some fan that has added some to Lindeloffs work. But guess only way would be if some one could contact and confirm this script was 100% Lindeloffs or that it was indeed modified. Maybe Chris or some other long time high ranking member could confirm that for us, i know the Paradise final draft was confirmed but to me this script seem like that one thats been added to.

Even if this fake I would love it if the person who made this would come forward and tell uis who he is - or she for that matter because it is still imho very well done. And also how many scropts did lindeloff write after being given spaihts original draft. That's a very good qiestion.

How do you upload media to http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/uploads/ ????? Can I upload something or only staff ????

I know what you mean @BigDave. It doesn't feel like it would be written by a writer of Lindelofs calibre and there are a lot of mistakes in grammar. BUT, it does answer a lot of the questions posed by Prometheus in a way that is believable. Maybe it was a quick pitch sort of thing, where Ridley's told him to do a re-write (FAST) that elaborated more on what he was trying to say. @Oduodu; "Even if this fake I would love it if the person who made this would come forward and tell uis who he is - or she for that matter because it is still imho very well done." I agree. But then again, I wouldn't know whether to congratulate him/her on their work, or ****************** for wasting our time!

Necronom4 Yes good point !!! LOL Bigdave In my heart I do feel that there may be a script about that may be closer to this one. But as youi say the it is too unambiguous. I wonder if the prometheus haters would have accepted this as a movie ? If the people who dislike p1 can only tell what exactly they wanted from prometheus ? How should the story have been told and what story wiuld. Have been acceptable ???. What however is great about this the following: Who exactly did vickers hire ?? From prometheus it seems that it was janek and the 2 pilots . But who else ?? Is there a place where this has been discussed before !!!

I have searched the internet for this script, if it was previously uploaded before, but this script is only available on www.prometheus2-movie.com But no member of scified.com has started a discussion to tell us what he/she wrote. Apparently nobody has read it, because nobody started a discussion or whatever. Actually it just could be uploaded by an administrator. "[i]Many worlds have been crafted by the hand of our fathers through the blood of our lord.[/i]" Very nice sentence with a deep sense. I really like the idea that the engineers tried to recreate the blood of their lord to become immortal... They chased immortality but it led to something else. "[i]Mortal after all.[/i]" said David

123engineer The first time you read this script what was the source of the script : http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/uploads/PROMETHEUS.pdf Or was it another website ?? If it was another website could you possible supply us with the url of that website ?

"Many worlds have been crafted by the hand of our fathers through the blood of our lord." Well i have just gone through the confirmed Lindloff script and the only mention of Lord is by Holloway.. "HOLLOWAY For such a nice Catholic girl, you sure take the Lord’s name in vain a lot." So yes i think the Draft 17 is a edited one, but yes it explains some parts but i think it still need some tidy up and some parts dropped and other toned down. In fact i may take some parts that this person added and may even post when i get time what i would have put... Such as the Engineers in the Orrey Room.. THREE HOLOGRAPHIC ENGINEERS; WITHOUT HELMETS, ENTER THE ORRERY AND WALK UP ON THE PLATFORM AND START SPEAKING TO ONE ANOTHER. Now this scene they give to much connection and detail as to what happened on LV 426.

"Many worlds have been crafted by the hand of our fathers through the blood of our lord." I would of thought that would more likely be the black goo literally being a type of blood from a god like being that they have encountered. Maybe one that created them and is possibly not alive any more or so they think muhahahahar... And I think you'll find most haters just wanted things to seem realistic like maybe Holloway taking his helmet off and then everyone say f**k off im keeping mine on and holloway dieing a few minutes later from one of the many things that never came up on the scan that said everything was safe!! Or something similar if u catch my drift. ..

"And then everyone says f*** off " LMFAO

The theatrical cut is what we have, the canon in its finest. Anyway, real or fake, it was an interesting read, thanks for sharing :)

The thing i liked about the Draft 17 was the flow of the Script it all added up and flowed well, but then Lindeloffs also flowed better than the movie. To me the cut we had appeared to had been edited in a way that some parts was as if the movie had been cut into peices and then reassembled with some scenes in the wrong order, something just seemed odd and missing.... The deleted scenes when seen, and then other parts from trailers like Shaw running Fifield over and Weyland in the hanger with his Mercs shooting Fifield, if we took these scenes into account and then logically fitted them into the movie where they seem to go in order, makes for a script that is for many parts like the Draft 17.

This 'Orange' draft has been around since 2012 and has also been discussed on another Prometheus site. I'm not fully convinced it's the real deal either.

http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/uploads/PROMETHEUS.pdf OMG - is this for real? Who the hell HACKED that script into the abomination that was Prometheus' final final final cut? I mean, seriously, Prometheus IS NOW PROVEN to have nothing to do with The Original Space Jockey, nor his Alien Egg Cargo. This franchise is a reboot. Though the hieroglyphs in the green goo pre-Hologram Replay would have been fun to see, as would David's other ALTERNATE VIEWPOINT i.e. ultra-high-energy sight. But they wanted him to be 'human' so we didn't see any of his extra-machine-abilities. Why was this script so DENUDED or CRIPPLED by whomever? Anyway, it's still proved itself to be NOTHING BUT A REBOOT, no matter how clever.

@Staff; Any news on whether or not it is authentic?

There was one link that was supposed to debunk it but the site took the article down. People have e-mailed the address that supposed to be Damon Lindelof's e-mail and got no reply. Damon has left twitter so there's no chance of asking him personally that way. The draft contains spelling and grammar mistakes according to those who have reviewed it as well as other mistakes. As I said before it's been around since 2012 and there's been no word since then on it's authenticity. Until there's official word that it's real I'm gonna stick with saying it's a fake.

The script explains too much, gives full and total reasons for everything. To me thats not really congurent with the alien movies. On those grounds I would say its fake (totally unprofessional opinion) . But In a deleted scene with david and shaw. Shaw asked david what the engineer said to him. David replied " There is no direct translation....some of your ancient cultures had a word for it..paradise" . Which seems to support the script 17.

I think the dead give away that its fake is the place where fifield and milburn discovers the pile of dead engineers I one of them remarks that the holes in the engineers was not made by predator guns I don't think lindelof would put that in there. It has however many good ideas. Kudos to the "writer". If you read this why don't share you ideas on prometheus . I'd love to meet you and ere yout thoughts. Peace.

Hi first post. Been reading what everyone has to say and found it really interesting as the movie leaves a lot to the imagination. That script that was posted is probably the most enlightening in terms of the story line/plot . What has to be realised is that this is a three part story and if the extra detail re the engineers and the religious angle had been included in movie one the plot would have been pretty much revealed and it would have been hard to divert. As such it is no surprise they took a lot of it out. Also from a commercial point of view to link it so heavily to Christianity at such an early stage would have meant some markets would have been more difficult to attract an audience. But that script would have been based on the story outline that Scott gave them to work with so you can expect to see that angle evolve (in my opinion). I suspect he may make it that more than one 'emissary ' was sent, eg Budha, Jesus etc to broaden the audience appeal, but we refused to listen hence the decision to give us 'rapture'. Rapture to me is a key word, its use is not accidental. It would imply a test where the holy are removed (to Paradise???) whilst the rest are left to slug it out. Introducing the 'Aliens' would certainly do that and maybe the aliens were what forced them to evolve to their enlightened state). What I find interesting is that the engineers have not been in contact for 2,000 years (we assume) so they have not seen the great reliegons of the world form. Will that change their minds? Is Shaw's faith and crucifix being so prominent by accident? I find it hard to believe that they wanted to destroy us, I think they wanted to 'teach' us like all parents do and that whatever they were planning was designed to cull the weak but also improve us spiritually. Of course that's unless Scott decides to change tact completely...... Anyway hope I have not bored anyone and thanks for all the interesting angles.

Welcome aboard mirobot Yes that draft did seem a bit too Christianity orientated But it did explain things better..... However i think the draft is a fake one, a fan edit of Lindeloffs the person has tried to add scripted parts to scenes we have seen and know took place in shooting i.e deleted scenes and some seen in trailers but never on film or even deleted scenes. But then there are some omissions... inc also the movie they did shoot many other scenes, such as after the Engineer was shot he said something to the crew.. This scene was never on deleted scenes but happened and this script does not have that in it also. Thats not to say that when filming they have to run it word by word on script, and its not to say that a script cant have things cut from it and then others added for the shooting of the movie. But i do think there is a high chance this draft was a fan made modification but one thats well done to say the least. (apart from some holes off course). As far as the actual movie and plot, well the movie is a bit of mess, ambiguous ok, but then there is so many many contradictions its actually like watching the Bible lol You see yes the wanted us destroyed aspect is a bit draft, yes thats what they wanted to do, but is that what they wanted all along, as thats what David hints at (sometimes to create one must destroy) well this is just one of many problems with the movie. If they wanted to create us so they can use us for Xeno invasion or to experiment on, by changing us to monsters from the Goo or even if there is a purpose to use such things to extract DNA Surely there is a better way to do that, and the movie shows the Sacrificial Scene was a long long time ago and maybe kick started Evolution and not simply create hybrid like Spaights draft did. Also if they wanted us dead so bad, how come no other Engineers came to find out what happened, did they just abort the mission and leave us to rot? This is not so much a problem as maybe Paradise would explain why they never came back to LV 223 or Earth and thats if the others knew about us and LV 223. Another problem is well, they supposed never came back..... but some of those Star Map Findings was from cultures and dates after 01AD. But the movie has so much scope, that any sequels could build upon and learn from mistakes and make for a epic Part 2 and 3.

It might be fake but I don't think its a mistake that faith seems to be such a strong part of the story line. I am not religeous at all but when you go back and watch it is constantly in the background. I don't think it is coincidence. The deleted parts of the opening scence certainly imply a religeous type ceremony re the creation of life. Couple of other things that I noted last time I watched: 1. The captain twice appears to lie about not being able to see what the lost crew members are sending him via video feed. We can see it so I assume he can but says video feed is out. 2. When David pulls up the star chart their is a ring of what appears to be DNA code floating around the outside of the galaxy. Not sure whether this will have any significance. You reckon he will have a flash back of the black goo wiping out the dinosaurs? I really don't think the first instalment is a mess, it has set it up nicely, and often the first instalment only becomes clear when the following movies come out. Lets hope.

Yes the movie has a religious connection... Basically the idea is and was, that all our religions on Earth are connected in some way and each is just a telling of how each culture interpreted their creation by beings from the Heavens... And that in reality it was these Elders/Engineers who created us. I dont think for a minute we are going to see a magical man in the sky and that we will see Jesus as a Engineer. But yes could be the Angels are indeed the Elders/Engineers and there may be some higher being at the top.... and Jesus... well could be one of many hybrid humans the Engineers used as emissaries.

What if the old dudes from the deleted opening scene are the higher being and they created the engineers to be their children as they could not/did not want to breed anymore? Maybe they bred the engineers as clones (they all look pretty alike) and they can not reproduce but they can seed life. They rebel or a faction does (doesn't every child want their parents to die) and out seek to wipe us out as we are designed to be be a self replicating life form and populate the galaxy? The fact that its been 2,000 years since the outbreak and no one from Paradise has come to check on them implies Paradise is dead, no one knows about these guys or Paradise sent in a hit squad to take them out (but why leave one alive). Or could the guys at this outpose be acting independently of Paradise and when Paradise found out they sought to liquidate them and undo what they had done? You could go mad thinking about all of this!