LV-426 or NOT?

That certainly looks like the Derelict in the trailer doesn't it. Looks to be in the same position and everything too. 

I would say no.

LV-426 is a rocky moon with no indigenous life forms while the planet where the AC is taking place is full of forests,lakes,rivers etc.

And those derelict ships have different shapes.

The derelict on LV-426 is more U shaped while the other one from AC trailer is C shaped,and has hypersleep chambers next to the pilot chair.

LV-426

Planet from AC

I don't know the subtleties of the two ships and figured someone who knows better would point out some differences. As for the obvious difference in terrains I was thinking some drastic events in this movie or the next could effect the planet in such away. Just giving out random ideas. What were your thoughts on why this could possibly be LV-426 123Engineer ?

As Nebula pointed out the landscapes don't match up. However, there is a way it could be LV-426. I will be covering it in one of my next analysis posts which will be going live soon. I've got a lot to post this week haha. But basically oneverything way it could work is if the planet is nuked in some way which forces the planets landscape and atmosphere to change drastically. But I'll be covering this in more detail soon.

So basically the temples would be destroyed as well....

and the huge mountains in that area.

i don't know. I highly doubt it's lv 426 

LV-426 is in the Zeta 2 Reticuli system.  So is LV-223.  The planet David and Shaw were going to was NOT in the same system as the engineer planet that they just left.

I really don't think it's LV-426 based on the fact that the company will, 40 or so years after the events of this movie, go send Terraformers to LV-426 to process the atmosphere and colonize. They do this without any knowledge of the juggernaut or aliens being there. 

No one checks out the derelict in Aliens until after Ripley's debriefing. And when they do it isn't on company orders, Burke acted alone out of his own greed for exclusive rights on any salvage formed from this directive. Ripley calls him on it and threatens his career basically in Aliens. He retaliates by locking her and Newt in medlab with a couple friendly facehuggers.

But anyway, what I'm getting at is that the company sends colonists to LV-426 without any suspect of anything goofy going on there. I'd think things would go differently if they'd already sent a colonizing expedition that way several decades earlier and lost contact. If they had they wouldn't have brushed Ripley's report off. They would have acted, not giving Burke his chance at greedily acting independently. It just doesn't add up to me.

None of this includes the fact that this planet in Covenant is lush with temperate climate and breathable atmospher. LV-426 shared none of these qualities until 20 years after Alien, and even then, was still not lush.

 If the company had sent the covenant to LV-426, lost contact. Then years later an old space trucker woke up from hypersleep saying "hey, we picked up a distress call from that same planet decades ago before I fell asleep, then checked it out... and.. aliens... awful murdering aliens"

I'd think the company would go... "whoa whoa whoa, maybe there's something to this. We sent another expedition that way like, a long ass time ago, and never heard from them again. Now this chick says murdering aliens. Maybe we should check that out."

But they dont. They tell her she's a nut and close the file.

Burke tho, he goes..." man I believe this old bird... maybe I can get ahead if I'm responsible for this salvage... I'll instruct a family to just go check it out and see. If nothings there, no harm done"

I would say based on the terrain alone, it's not likely that the planet in Covenant is LV-426.  I could be wrong though.

But, as is often the case in the Alien franchise, we can't say for sure at the moment!

LV-223 and LV-426 orbit the same gas giant.  It's more than likely they are a long way from there in this film.

Check it out:

First: remember this? http://imgur.com/r/LV426/hm4SP

Some suggested that A:C might actually take place on lv-426, and that the derelict crashed there is the same one from Alien. I think they are probably different, and here's why.

Look what happened when I typed in "planet test" (from the infographic) into Mother:

So lv-426 could be a site where the engineers tested their black goo, recording the results in their manual, which then was discovered by Weyland, translated, etc. In this case, lv-426 is a different planet than the one in A:C. 

LV-426 was a wasteland. This place looks like Montana.

I vote...not lv-426

Yeah, I think comparing the vegetation or atmosphere is irrelevant. LV-426 could have quite easily been lush with a viable atmosphere in the past. The Engineers were terraforming LV-223 - they could have quite easily done the same with 426. Given there is a major theme of 'creating and destroying' and 'history repeating' running through Prometheus, and likely, it's sequels, it is quite feasible that LV-426 was once terraformed (or naturally viable for life), and was at some point 'destroyed' (or nuked as @Chris says). It would also then be apt, and history repeating, for it to be terraformed again by humans.

I'm sure the decision to terraform a moon or planet is partly based on the right base conditions. LV-426 obviously met these conditions.

As for whether the planet we've seen in the AC trailer is LV-426.....probably not - however, the symbolism (the way it's positioned, the hole in the side) suggest that it's more than just coincidence.

Well, the juggernaut on "Paradise" can't be the same as on LV-426 since the space jockey is "fossilised". It's been there since about the time of the outbreak on LV-223 (2000 years). Must have been another juggernaut from LV-223 (there were more there as David points out). There might also have been other research facilities there (perhaps with xeno-eggs?).

More important facts: LV-426 is a planetoid only 1200km in diameter. It has a 2 hr rotation. there is no liquid water on the surface.. That's an incredibly short day/night cycle. There's no way life could ever have evolved under those conditions.

What about some apocalyptic catastrophe? It has an atmosphere. It's a shitty atmosphere but an atmosphere all the same with weather patterns and everything. Why is that relevant? Any event catastrophic enough to only leave 1200km worth of rock and boil all the water off INTO SPACE wouldn't have left any atmosphere behind. Nor would the derelict or egg chamber have survived such an event as it probably melted the crust. How can I believe it melted the crust? Because there isn't even any evidence that life was EVER there naturally. "It's a rock. No indigenous life."

Trying to think how to tackle this Topic....  the MUTHUR Viral site is flawed and has bugs and so as some questions the answer changes and sometimes random.. who knows if we can take it as 100%

So we go onto the clues from AC.... and we need to remember Ridley Scott could be setting us up for a Red Herring... a lot of fans was left disappointed that Prometheus never gave clear clues.  And left us wandering does the Black Goo lead to the Xeno, does the Hammerpede or does the Deacon and how do they conflict with the Space Jockey and Ridleys comments on it.

Alien Covenant could be more the same really,  maybe less Vague.. but still wont give clear answers to those questions...  i would bet by the end we would not be able to confirm or rule out

*Paradise is LV-426

*The Eggs was created after the year 2094 or prior

*The Juggernaught is the Derelict

I think these will be left ambiguous.  No clues to say definite NO and none to say definite YES to the above.

I think FOX will gauge the reactions to the movie and then can tailor the next movie to fit in with the AC events led to LV-426 and Derelict or are separate events.

Myrddin365

Your argument about catastrophic events has one issue. It's not giving full consideration to the idea that the event may have been one that would transform the surface (and atmosphere) but not the juggernaut or it's contents.

Take for example a geological event. If at some point the lush planet we see in AC experiences an event where the entire outer crust suffers a network of breaches (leading to the release of magma across it's surface) you'd have the requirements filled for all vegetation to become encapsulated in rock. We know that if a caldera erupts (Yellow Stone for example) a nuclear winter is expected to accompany that event. If anything, this kind of event is perhaps the best candidate for turning a planet from the conditions we see in the AC planet to the conditions we see on LV-426.

Furthermore, if such an event were to occur, is it really that impossible that the external material the juggernaut is made of would able to withstand the temperatures? Even human ships would need to be able to withstand extreme radiation in space. If the engineers are as far ahead of us as is implied, they would certainly have materials that can withstand far more than human ships can.

I'm not proposing this is what happened. Just tossing it out there as a scenario that wouldn't necessarily destroy what's inside the juggernaut (or the ship itself.)

At the end of the day, there are available options to make the idea work. It may not actually be the case but it's going overboard to say there's no sensible way it could be done.

If we ignore MUTHUR....

Here are the clues that suggest Paradise could be LV-426 and also support the Derelict being there for thousands of years or not....

I would first like to negate the difference in sizes and shape, i know they are different which SM clearly point out.. but i am going to toss this out, because well Aesthetically Ridley could make mistakes and changes... We can argue the shape is different and size... but then the Egg Silo would also need a 4X bigger Derelict to hold it...  and maybe over time the ships shape changes as well as how it appears.. maybe due to some Black Goo contamination who knows.... but i am not going to use shape or sizes at all...

So here are the supporting evidence for LV-426 being Paradise.

*The Juggernaught is in the same position as the Derelict (some event could cause mass destruction of Paradise including mountains within a short period we cant rule this out)....  but such a event seems to leave the Ship intact... surely means even a Mass Nuke Event on LV-223 would not destroy the Juggernaughts there...

*Alien Covenant shows us the Eggs and Face Hugger, the Prop Hand had a tag "where it all begins" this is a tease that the events of AC as far as Xenomorph Origins is where it starts...  but we still as of yet dont know if David created those Eggs or evolved something to get them.... or if they had been there prior or obtained from some place else.

*The Pot Luck chance the Covenant ends up there.... how can it detect a signal from David/Shaw or whoever if they detect this signal while they are on a different route and in-bound for a different place.. to then happen to be so close to then change destination... for example if the Covenant had been say 60LY into its journey and had 20LY left to its destination, then detect a signal that leads them to go to Paradise inside... its unlikely they would change route if Paradise was say another 80LY or so away... i would assume it would mean a detour of say 3-6 Months Tops... if not actually a lot less... 

We dont know how the movie starts... the 4chan leaks claim they was heading too... and then actually land on LV-223 then change route to Paradise and arrive shortly...

So maybe having them head towards the Zeta 2 system then detect the signal thats close by could make sense.

Now here is the supporting evidence for LV-426 not being Paradise.

*If the Weyland Viral site for Prometheus is Canon, the company knew of the potential for that System to support life as early as 2039.  Also a Easter Egg on the DVD/Blu-ray had it that the company had detected a Signal from LV-426 and that David 8 would be embedded to investigate it while on the Prometheus and no-one else not even Vickers is aware of this.

*The LV-223 Outpost, would be a bit on the Door Step of Paradise if this place was a Dangerous Bio-Weapons Facility but then maybe a separate World is good enough safety.

*When David informed Shaw that he could get to Paradise as he knows the broad stokes.. it seemed implied that maybe it was not as straight forwards as jumping from Moon to Moon... i mean otherwise he would have said... yes i think i can its not that far from here.

*Smoking Gun..... Different Pilot Chambers... the only image we have from Covenant (apart from leak Pilot seat only prop) of the Pilot Chamber is in the Trailer.  And the ship they find on Paradise has the same layout as the Juggernaught in Prometheus with the Control Panel and Chair and Cryo-Pod clearly seen.  Unless they are going to re-release Alien with CGI changes to include these in Alien... i fail to see how they can be the same Ship...

@QueenElizabethShaw

Indeed i think its a tricky one... but thats a explanation for sure, but i think for how serve the landscape has changed but no effects really to the Juggernaught is a problem...  if such a event happens be it by Volcanic or other Geological Disaster or via a Nuke or something....  but the Juggernaught remains... it would leave a Plot Hole for LV-223 as surely what kind of event would be needed to get rid of all evidence of Juggernaughts on that World by the time of Alien or at least Aliens...  unless its way more sevre

Yes something could effect the climate, the vegetation and make the moon baron but i think in order to get rid of the mountain ranges compared to LV-426 would require some pretty heavy event.

I think regardless... the interior of the ships are a Smoking Gun

This however can not rule out Paradise is LV-426 if the Derelict is located in a different part of the Moon.  This is the same flaw that Spaights Draft had... that may had been a Red Herring too... while it was set on LV-426 and ended with a crashed Engineer Ship and Chest Buster... it never explained the Acid Burn Hole...but i guess the killed Xeno by the Engineer could caused it.

Spaights draft would also have to explain how the Nostromo or Hadleys hope never detected the Lifeboat or wreckage of the Magellan ship....  and then the signal that was sent at the end came from Pyramids and not the Juggernaught/Derelict.

But that did not mean that Spaights story took part on a different part of the Moon LV-426

And so yes they could go the same route with Alien Covenant... tease a Red Herring the Juggernaught is the Derelict.... but then in latter movies reveal that David found the Derelict obtained a Specimen and then set off to another part of Paradise... maybe this could explain why the Ship Crashed (Davids Juggernaught)

And so yes Paradise could be LV-426 if they show us the Derelict is crashed on another part of this world.

i really hope not. if it is then it seems the SJ in alien wont have been there as long as we were led to believe in the original and to me that is hugely disappointing. I would rather it had been there for thousands of years and add something historical and mysterious to the link between engineer and the xeno. I think if the derelict is there due to events in AC then that would be lazy and weak writing and id say ridley would be opening himself up for more criticism than he ever got from Prometheus. we have been waiting 3 decades for this story about the SJ and the eggs to be told. going by the murals, there is a connection, millennia old, between the 2 and they could give us a more interesting and intimate insight into it