Is Prometheus2 on the same (not the best) way then Prometheus was?

I think this was the problem they was going to face no soon as they went down the Space Jockey being Humanoid Engineers who Engineered us etc route...

Nothing against How the Engineers are (Size compared aside), its just as soon as they went the route of them being our creators etc then the movie Scope is MASSIVE and i mean HUGE!

Such a great idea on one hand, but its one that well is going to have to be very  well shown and explored to do it any justice.

What i am saying is, if these Engineers was just some distant Alien Race who created or had something to do with the Xeno, that was involved in some kind of Interstella War then this a a Story that can be delt with, without having to be careful and leaving lose ends.

For example if they never went the route these Engineers never even knew about Earth and that they was not trying to destroy us..... it would make it a more simpler plot to cover.

As it is Prometheus was a very good idea, to show us more depth of these Engineers, while leaving much about the Xeno unexplained, it opened up a whole lot of depth and the idea was to explore who these Engineers are.

Prometheus and especially the final cut we saw, did not explore them enough. It left many questions about the Engineers that a 2nd movie could explore. And that was the idea, they said the movie was to go down the route to distant itself more away from Alien.  As there is a whole massive potential for explaining who these Engineers are, what else have they created, why? What is left of them now etc.

Seems now though that they may have done a slight U-Turn, and we will now see a movie that will go more towards Alien and i hope this is not at the expense of the Xeno.

The Xeno has been done to death, teh Space Jockey we knew little about and now we are shown who they are and these Engineers have more to them as far as a story goes than just some Alien Organism that goes around attacking Hosts to procreate its species.  A Organism that had 3 sequels.... It would be a shame if our Engineers/Space Jockeys now have only one movie to tell there tale and have to share a lions share of a movie with explaining to us what the Xeno was and how it came to be.

Imo the description Alien-y could have a couple of possible meanings.

Does it mean having a claustrophobic feeling with monsters chasing people down narrow corridors, of does it mean having lots of Xenos and facehuggers.

Then there is the chance of an army of Davids battling an army of Deacons whilst running up and down claustrophobic corridors.

Or perhaps Shaw being chased round claustrophobic corridors by all manner of Gigeresque creatures equivalent to what would look like an army of Xeno’s in a comedy hall of mirrors.

 Something tells me that P2 is not going to be what everyone may expect. I think Paglen has a unique way of joining the dots which probably makes him the best candidate for the job. Depending what Alien-y actually means, I think a lot of loose end could get tied up, and in a good way. I hope I’m right.

I'm cool with them making the film more Alien-y, but I think they should take a route where we see all manner of creatures, like you said. Some of them possibly in a smaller capacity, like the Hammerpede. The cool thing about the way the Alien DNA was used in Prometheus is it allows for new/different types of Giger inspired monstrosities, and opens things up for the new class of alien: the Deacon.

We still don't know much about the Deacon, or exactly how it will function when older. So at least they have something new to play with and not the exact same thing we're used to. We won't know exactly what to expect out of them etc. Bursting out of an Engineer could change the way they think/act, as well as their look/size.

An army of Davids battling an army of Deacons could be awesome to watch! I've had ideas about an android army, or androids designed for combat, for a while now.

Sending androids to wipe out a hive (or something similar) could be much safer than sending employees or marines.  Because as far as we know, androids can't be infected. You could send in a squad of androids, and have them act as the first wave/scouts.  If the intention is to actually wipe out a hive..then Weyland corp's androids might be more effective than the marines, especially if there's a small percentage of Davids specifically designed for combat.

The multiple David thing intrigues me the most.  In the Weyland timeline it said that there are over a million. I think it said only about 1% of the Davids were used for security purposes.  Maybe we'll see different types, to differentiate them, specialized Davids etc. Davids and other androids built for combat..

My idea is that David eventually gains control of an army of other Davids. He takes over their bodies/minds and creates his own hivemind, is able to wirelessly command a massive army of himself against the Deacons, Engineers...or humans. He would slowly gain control of most of the other androids with his head...most of them

There would be a single David who ends up rebelling against David's hivemind. We would learn that Deacons have the ability to reject the Queen's hivemind.  This form of the bioweapon would be able to spread more rapidly, more weaponized, less dependent on the Alien Queen hivemind organization, allowing new Queens to rise more readily to start new hives and conquer entire planets faster.. David would become King of the Davids, and learns how to exist in multiple bodies or places at once. He begins to override the other Davids, giving him many vantage points (almost like omniscience) and making David godlike...

If Ridley is indeed directing P2, then I think he'll continue the thread about finding the answers to the big question Shaw is after. It may have more of the creepy elements of the first Alien movie. But I don't think he would go the Michael Bay route of action-packed battle scenes as HiveMinded is suggesting. At least I hope not.   

@ sp_jockey

There are many reasons why I believe an army of Davids will eventually rise, and then fall, never to be seen in the original movies.

There are millions of Davids according to the timeline. Are they all destroyed along with everything on LV-223 by the time of Alien?.. Or were they decomissioned/never spoken of again because there's something even more twitchy than Ash about this batch of emotional androids?...

It's too complicated to go into in this thread, but I believe the whole story is really about David and the Engineers. Prometheus was the "small beginning" to David's "adventure", and Shaw is along for the ride.  Things might get much bigger, but that doesn't mean it has to take the Michael Bay approach of mindless action.  It doesn't have to use the marines or follow the type of social organization in Aliens...

I view Prometheus as the small beginning of a sci-fi epic with horror/mystery elements. A parallel story that will run alongside the orginals and tells a complete story by the end -- interwined with the original movies, joined like a double helix strand. Prometheus follows some of the basic plot beats of Alien, in some ways. There will be some references to the other films within the series, things might get a little bigger in the sequel, like in Aliens. The androids are much better planners and faster learners than the marines. David is gathering a lot of data by sacrificing himself over and over again.

I would save a lot of the action until the very end. We'd mostly see holographic displays that track the progress of the Davids through the hives, blips of the teams trying to attack the lifeforms. David's android army would be a lot smarter than the marines, and as an android he can keep track of many battles at once, it'd be more about strategy. Like a massive game of chess, holographic displays that David constantly has to check in on within Weyland's mainframe, allowing him backdoor connections to the feeds from other Davids. Keeping it from being a war/action movie tone. A series of trials that David is conducting with the Deacons, so for the most part we'd only see the battles on holographic displays. Eventually simulations could be run.. but David learns that the Deacon is much more intelligent and deadlier than we can ever be allowed to know..It can set traps, it pre-plans things, it learns and grows...Each time David fails he's making the Alien hive smarter, Deacons also get smarter when they hive together, unlike the hive in Aliens...

Paradise would be about multiple agendas conflicting with eachother, freewill, trial and error, creation of life/artificial life, the concept of the soul, how "Paradise" means something different to everyone, artwork/symbols having many interpretations, "only working out the broadstrokes", deceptions/perception shaping, logic loops etc. Also about many other things to do with rebellion + David's desire to replace Weyland as King, and how parallels are found in the Engineers.

@ HiveMinded

LOL I got to love you in depth fascination of the Android Angle.

I have to say though i am not sure they will go into such detail on screen, as there is a lot to cover in the Franchise and if its also maybe only going to be one movie more that will have to answer most of the questions, i am not sure we would ever see such details as you pose.

But you are correct that the Androids are one of the other parts of the Franchise and a big one.  Yes David 8 is not the first nor last model that the company produced.

Ash models were a bit Twitchy...  well Bishop said older models was, so he is implying that the Ash incident was not the first of its kind and as Bishop Model states he can not harm a Human, this means that Androids have done so more than once.

The Bishop model seems to point us to the fact that these Models have a Protocol that it can not harm a Human, even if ordered to do so (well its safe to assume) so some Prime Directive to never harm a Human must be default programing with maybe no overide switch?

Which brings us to why have Ash Models and other Twitchy ones, if David 8 models was so good?  This means the David 8 models have problems that relate to their usefullness or potentially harmfull programing.

We see that David 8 seems to be able to lie, or bend the truth and that he would even disobey comands but only answer to Weyland.  But we see David 8 has some issues with regards to how he views Humans, he sees himself as superior to them and shows emotions that he has a dislike for Humans.  With his comments about does everyone not wish their parents was dead to Shaw,  and how he would be free when Weyland dies again shows this model has a lot of independant thinking and emotions.

The Weyland Files mention that the David 7 models had problems, and David 8 models have a better Emotional Ability and Programing they can read Emotions from people and understand them...

Ultimately we have to say these David 8's however do have a potential to gain Freewill where they would see they are superior to their owners and may even ask why they should serve us...  A Potential for Rebelion, just as we see happened in the TERMINATOR movies.

Now while i cant find where it says there are Millions of David 8s, there sure is many many of them and we also have David 7's and when we look at the Scope Weyland has for the David 8 models it is this..

"After testing favorably in over 80% of households and workplaces, Weyland Cybernetics seems poised to make good on its "One in Every Home" promise with the upcoming David 8 Introduction Initiative this spring. In addition to 2-year trial placement in thousands of homes and businesses on Earth, David 8 has additionally wowed test audiences across the galaxy, performing off-world assistance missions on several newly terraformed planets."

This could imply that they hope the David 8 would be as comon as what, having a Dyson Vacuum or even a Smart 3D TV.

So indeed that means even if 10% of David 8s start to show such rebelious nature thats a lot of Androids, and if they wanted to, well it could prove to be a problem to try and get rid of them.  As we see in such movies as I-Robot.

So yes you are correct that if we assume that by the Time of Alien or especially Aliens,  they would have done away with the David 8 models, then if some of them go onto gain emotions like Humans and Freewill they would not want to be discontinued and surely some kind of confrontation is possible.

@Batchpool

There is a lot of potential Alien-ness to be shown in the movie....

If they are going for a more Alien-y movie, this seems a bit different from the steer away from it we saw in Prometheus and then Ridley said future movies would go futher away from Alien.. maybe he meant as far as the Alien movie so i.e Space Jockey/Derelict/Egg.  But then he said the Xeno had been done to death and they decided to tone down the Xeno elements as Spaights draft was too Alien-y if you would.

This tells me the idea was to steer away from Xeno-esque goings on and concentrate more on the Space Jockey Race which was the biggest mystrey from Alien that we never got to see much after Alien.  The whole purpose for the Prometheus we got, and also purpose for how the movie ended so we can find out more about these Engineers.

If they are now going a U-Turn, then yes rumours was Ridley liked Spaights draft and it was Fox who wanted to tone it down, but i would say Ridley must have then liked the idea as he does not seem to be the kind to accept or take a back seat if he was totally against  the idea to tone down the Xeno elements.

So the U-Turn could be because Fox have assessed reaction to Prometheus and how a lot of fans found the movie was a disapointment in some ways because it never really explained the Xeno, or it lacked connections to Alien.   It was not so much spoon fed for the Fan Boys.

And that the Casual Viewers would not have much of a clue of how this movie ties to Alien universe...

If Fox think that maybe the cutting down of Xeno DNA and not explaining the Xeno or Eggs etc could been a reason the movie may not have done as well as hoped.  If they feel that going back to give us a more Alien-y movie will get more bums on seats than if it was even less Alien-y than Prometheus...

WELL THERE GOES GOOD REASON TO MAKE IT MORE ALIEN....

I hope not at the expense of the Engineers and the whole back story of the Engineers, as what do we know about them.... not much.

Why was the Elders cut?, what connection did they have to the Engineers, why did they create us, who created them. Why did they stop visiting us etc etc.

So much much to cover, that only one aspect and question seems to fit in with the Xeno and thats "why did they want us destroyed" or maybe....

 So if they answer this now as a prime question, then what have we got?

If they show us that LV 223 was where the Eggs come from and how they came about, then we basically got our answer and the rest well we know that all ready, we only need to know how they Eggs came about and connection with the Goo and once thats known. Well we all know what pops out of them Eggs and so would we then need a lot of the movie to Show us Xenos or similar running all over the place?

Well that took longer than i intended Batchpool lol

Ok so onto  what i was going to say... for the movie to now be more Alien-y means we are to be shown Organisms related to the Xeno, so more Xeno DNA than we saw in Prometheus.

How can this be done...... Prime example is that LV 223 has something there that is connected to the Xeno, either this place is where they created the Xeno via various experiments or events.  Either intentionally or as a un-intended product of something else they was trying to do.

Or the Xeno/Egg was taken to LV 223 to be used to experiment on and create stuff from it.

So LV 223 has a lot of potential for Alien-y things...

1) The Urns and Goo, are they all used up and spilt out there Goo by the time any other Humans set down on LV 223?  Or are there more unopened?

2) Surely we saw at least 4 Worms in the Goo, but only Two Hammerpedes, and we dont know how many others could had been effected. Or how these Hammerpedes Evolve or Procreate or what the result is?

3) We have a Deacon on the lose, and again how does this Evolve and Procreate?

4) There are many more Juggernaughts, that means more than just the one David and Shaw Hijacked.  There are also more than one Temple or so it seems and what do these contain?

5) Holloway sugests the Deacon Mural is just another Tomb, it certainly appears to be another Doorway... What lies behind this?

Next point of call is LV 426..

If this place is not so far from LV 223 and by that i dont mean around the same Planet, but could be even a near by Star System. 

Well its pretty obvious that the Derelict has been there for thousands of years and Ridley said it had been there around the same time of the LV 223 Outbreak, give or take a few hundred.

So the Derelict has its Cargo of Eggs.

One or both of these Destinations are places that a movie can follow to give us Alien-y situation.  And one that logically makes sense as surely the company would want to find out about what happened to Prometheus?

Also when they dont hear from the ship or crew, they may know it is not far from LV 426 in which case Weyland Timeline seems to show they had some knowledge of a Signal from the system.  Anyway if the go to investigate that signal or even go to LV 223 they are bound to come across Shaws SOS.

And you know curiosity would get the better of the Companies and they would go and explore one or both planetoids...

These are better ways to give us a Alien-y movie without full blown traditional Xenos, and makes more sense than to have them find the Alien-y elements purely on Paradise.

As well that would mean only Shaw and David find such horrors... unless the company also goes to Paradise but come on, surely Earth Tech may not get there no where near as fast as the Juggernaughts can?

I mean the fact we ant heard off the Engineers in Alien - Alien R means there Homeworld has to be so far away that Earth Ships can not get there in any time soon, i.e must be 100's of Light Years away.

But hey Androids can fly the Engineer ships... but i dont think having a movie where Engineer ships carry Androids and Humans to the Engineers homeworld and its there they encounter the Xeno is the way to go.

The Engineers was not stupid enough to test the Bio Weapon on there Homeworld, so why would they have some on there Homeworld of even Eggs... Only unless one faction used the Bio Weapon on the Homeworld and now its infested or shows signs that it once was.

But these would lead us to there not being many Engineers left, which would make sense to tie up lose ends and finish off the Franchise without having to go back to the Engineers unless it covers them from the past.

I hope David and Shaw find clues to the Xeno on Paradise but i dont want the place to be overrun with them, i hope all evidence shows that these Engineers created them on LV 223 or some other place and transported them to LV 223.

Its LV 223 that i think we should see our Alien-y encounters...

I really like Prometheus, however I agree with the discussion in this thread, the treatment for this sequel is similar to the development of Prometheus: a newbie is hired to write the script and then this draft is rewritten by an unexpected choice. But at least this time they promise more dark elements characteristic of the franchise, so fingers crossed. 

@ Big Dave

I think Fox is probably responsible for moving away from any Xeno-esque elements.

When you look at the movie Alien  the whole Derelict idea, along with the Space Jockey, eggs, Facehugger and  Xeno all have one thing in common. The last word on anyones’  mind would be ‘Human’. The whole concept reflected everything you could  think of under the description of the word Alien. There was a mystery and mystique that encapsulates the word alien.

Prometheus imo put a human connection to it all by presenting us with the Engineers. The big guy in the chair in Alien comes across as having a skeleton that is anything but remotely human and I feel that needs to be re addressed..

What any follow up has to do is show a clear connection in the relationship of Engineers and Xenos.

LV426 and LV223 are both sites where there is alien/Engineer technology of some sort. Who is to say that there are more outposts out there, and more importantly was the Prometheus mission the only investigative mission we are aware of? Why put all your urns in one silo, so to speak.

That is a exceptional point...

And one of the ideas i had ages ago when the movie came out... The Space Jockey and his Cargo Logically as Ridley said the Space Jockey met his fate within few hundred years of the outbreak that killed off so many Engineers on LV 223.

I always thought that LV 223 was a place where they Re-Engineered the Xeno lifeform and this place was where they conducted experiments on them and tests on the experiments they had created.

I had the idea the Xeno was either being transported to LV 223 to be tested on, much like Cattle get taken to a Slaughter house that then turns them into Minced Beef and Stored to be shipped to the Supermarkets and Shopping Malls. But something happend to the Truck transportingt his Cattle to the place where they would be turned into Burgers lol.

What i mean is i never felt LV 223 was the place that the Xeno Originated from or indeed if it did then the Xenos Origins (what ever it came from) did not happen on LV 223.

Other than that the other idea i had was they had created this Organism, that proved to be a Weapon that was hostile and hard to transport and store and so LV 223 was a laboratory to go back to the drawing board and Re-Engineer the Weapon.

in a nutshell i dont think LV 223 is where the Xeno comes from, or at least what ever the Xeno came from, comes from.  But i also dont think Paradise is where it comes from either.