Now i will read those links.... i have a feeling they touch upon similar ideas i had posted on here over the years and maybe also be similar to what the Source had sugested as the Plot... as they too sugest the Goo was connected to Forbiden Fruit/Fire that the Engineers played a part in its use, but they was not meant to use it in the way they did.   And so they got burnt.

Prometheus executive producer Michael Ellenberg when he spoke about the movie three years ago and said:

“What if you could meet God but God turned out to be the Devil?”

Ridley on Alien Paradise Lost now Alien Covenant

“Have you ever read Paradise Lost, by Milton? In a funny kind of way, it’s an interesting basis for the darkness of [Prometheus 2]. Where the good-looking guy, who is evil as shit (Satan), gets all the girls and goes to the nightclubs (Ridley is referring to the fact that Satan story is the main part of Milton's epic). The other guy, who is not quite as good-looking (so God is not good loking???), is boring as hell and stays home. So in a funny kind of way, we used that as the basis for it, it’ll be Alien: Paradise Lost (now Covenant). Which is very spooky...

Milton’s Satan is readily comparable to the heroes of the classical epics:

He is a variant of Achilles, who equates honor with his own status . . . and feels slighted by hiscommander-in-chief, refuses his orders and believes himself superior. Both epics turn on the connection between ‘a sense of injur’d merit’ and the hero’s wrath. He is Odysseus and Jason on their heroic voyages, leader and chief warrior in battle during and after the War in Heaven, and through it all the most powerful speaker, able to rally and organize his troops with the eloquence of his appeals to their own heroic values. (Forsyth 30)

Further complicating matters, Milton’s Satan contains elements of the hero in classical tragedy. Satan’s fatal flaw is a fundamental lack of self-knowledge; he has no ability to recognize his own limitations. He never seems to realize that he can never win in a contest between the Creator and the created being. This characteristic is readily recognizable as hubris— overweening self-confidence and pride. The tragic theme of “those whom the gods would destroy, they first raise up” is also present, albeit imperfectly. Satan goes from “reign[ing] in Hell” in Book I to his final appearance in Book X where he is transformed into a “monstrous Serpent” by the power of God reaching into Hell. Milton’s Satan fails as a tragic hero in that “[h]is character does not degenerate; it is degraded”

As we can read from what Ridley said, he plans to show all: The God, The Devil, the monster and how all that is related to humans... It is bloody intriguing... I have many twisted ideas but I m sure that Ridley invented one more stranger than mine... :)

He said that devil looks good and that God looks kind a strange and is not so handsome... that brings us to those murals and egg that symbolizes creation of life (You said that that kneeling figure is possibly their Eagle or punishment, but what if that is their creator, the "ultimate God"?)... :))) I would certanly love to see what those murals, crystal, goo and all that we saw mean in the whole story... I see David as ultimate factor that will unleashing the evil... (thats only my take on Davids part in the story). 

 

P.S. I just read your two new posts, and as someone said you really know what you re writing! Your ideas are very good, glad we have you :)

I wont write more stuff that are just my mere predictions because as you said, all of that is already covered and discussed. I shall wait for new official stuff and info and than I will speak about that... I wish you all the best.

Yes interesting things you bring up, and this seemed where Prometheus 2 was going... i sugest you check out the Topic i made about supposed leaks... because these came before Ridley mentioned a lot of stuff about Paradise Lost and so Ridleys comments added up to what i was told..

But we have to now be prepared for maybe a complete change, a U-Turn but while Alien Covenant seems to show this, the source claims  while they dont know the re-writes to make Covenant, they did say ideas from the other drafts will apear in the Franchise but in a more tonned down way....  they mentioned like how Spaights was tonned down to make Lindeloffs. and that a similar changes are what seem to happen  changes as in   going back to what Spaights draft was covering rather than the going away and tone down of it in Lindeloffs.

so right now we cant read to much into the Devil Connection... it could be completely tonned down or even thrown out.... but these was the ideas Originally but we have to remember they are not Literally going for the Devil.... or Fallen Angels, but losely connecting such thinks...  and also with other Mythos...

So we could see (well was going to) a story of Rebelion and Creation where Satan/Prometheus and Enki are linked, the common themes to those to be delivered in way that fits with the Engineers Take on it all......  Depending how you look at Satan, Prometheus and Enki.... they all are EVIL in a way that is not EVIL but in a way that they are AGAINST the Ideas and Will of God... or the Leader of the Hierarchy.... indeed if you Study the Bible, and apply it to Paradise Lost.... then in a way Lucifer has not commited any Sin really..... he has only done what Prometheus did against first Cronus and then Zeus.

The better to Rule in Hell, than Serve in Heaven is key to this.... the Character who is the Devil simply disagrees with the Rule and Tyrany of God, and wishes to open the minds of free will to those who serve under Gods Tyranical Rule.

As far as David, yes i think he would be the one who Unleashes Hell

Of course that all of these are just a themes to form the story. I remember when Ridley said that he intend to introduce "someone new" in the third act of the Covenant, who might that be? Maybe he will really show that battle and chain of events (which include humans and their creation and SIN as metaphorical element) that led to creation of Xeno... We saw that Ridley is casting possible Engineers (guy from Game of Thrones and other tall and agile actors)... How will he introduce Engeeners in Paradise which is desolate and barren scenery???  I also believe that now when John Logan rewrote the story, we'll have really intriguing premise and complete story that ties to original Alien. I agree with yours remarks about Satan in Milton's work, but why Ridley said that there is marginalized good guy who is bad looking and bad guy who is handsome and have all the girls? What the hell that means? So we have engeeners, deacon on mural (and real one), goo and crystal or that sacrificial fluid, creature that holds the egg, humans and their creation... All those must be the elements of the final story that will lead to original Alien... They cannot disregard all that elements they introduced!

Thats from me for now... I will regularly
read your excellent posts, Dave.
Cheers!

Ok i have read those posts and what a great insight the poster had.. i have never came across these before and its interesting that this person has somewhat concluded the same as myself. I have over the last 3+ Years contributed heavily to this Site, and covered many aspects of Prometheus that indeed my interpretations almost mirror that of the author of those links you posted (Benjamin Taylor).

My theories have some slight differences and are way in more depth....   the main difference is the Black Goo,  i was comming to conclude it could have been made from the Xeno or a related Organism, and yes the Norse Mythology fitted with this... (Eitr) but i chose to mainly use my theories based on Biblical/Koran themes, Greek Mythos and Annunaki Gods.... i had looked loosely at Indian and Mayan Mythos and Norse too and one theory i had did connect the Etir/Black Goo connection.... but then i felt as Prometheus touched more upon the Bible/Greek and Sumarian Mythos....  the Forbiden Fruit idea and Fire took more of a interest..

One Theory mirrored that of the Black Goo being from some Creature related to the Xeno... but then the differences from the effects of the Black Goo in the movie... made me think about it in a different way and to look at what we are shown... i then had the theory that the Substances are different and the Black Goo in the Urns are a result of some creature being broken down for its DNA in the same way the Sacrificial Engineer did.... this also fitted with the Sacrifical Pose of the Deacon in the Mural and so this 2nd theory was one i leaned towards. And looking at the unused Prometheus Concepts... Fifield and other clues it made perfect sense... then the other Scene where we had the Sacrifical Bowl... this led me to side with this other theory as opposed to another that matches what Benjamin had...

Upon reading Spaights draft and how the Nano Scarabs worked and basically looking that the Goo in Prometheus was a way of evolving the concept Spaights started.. replacing Nano Scarabs with a Mutagen.   When i looked how Spaights Scarabs worked, and his description for the Sacrificial Scene, and Fifield Mutation and then looked at the alternative Fifields and the Mural and how the Goo works... then BINGO..... My theory i sided with as far as the Black Goo in the Urns being created from something similar to the Sacrificial Scene made Perfect Sense.... and this is what i then used to base and connect other things in Prometheus too.

Thanks ;)

Yes, it seems a shame to throw away all these things... if you read what Benjamin Taylor was getting at as far as July 2012.... then look at Ridleys comments on the subject then they are teasing at something FAR BIGGER... than the Xenomorph Bio Weapon... Ridley kept saying the Xeno was merely a Weapon, his stance changed a bit with Prometheus slightly.... but then afterwards he went back to the Xeno being a Weapon created from Evil Biology....

So the Xeno was a smaller part of the whole PLOT, Mankind a Larger Part.... and the Engineers and their Rebelion and inner conflict between each other or their creators was the LARGER part of the Plot they seemed to be going.....

Its a shame if all of this is now being toned down.... Spaights draft touched upon Xeno related DNA and what it was for more than the Engineers Agenda... maybe Spaights Sequel would have explored the Engineers more and maybe lesser the Xeno....     They changed the Xeno elements and expanded the Engineers with Lindeloffs Draft and Prometheus and it seemed the sequel would follow the Engineers in more detail and step futher from the Xeno...

But a change of plan has happened, and it now seems they are expanding the Xeno link more and going away from the Engineers and who they are....

So yes the coments you make about Ridleys comments such as "Good guy who is bad looking and bad guy who is handsome and have all the girls"

These are what with more detailed ones released around the same time (ponder who the Big Guy is and how Worlds arr created not by accident) these comments all added up to theories i had a bit and those of Benjamin Taylor... but they also matched what a source had leaked to me about Paradise Lost Script...  

But then after the Alien: Covenant change from Alien: Paradise Lost... Ridleys comments now seem to be a U-Turn to what was said prior...  so will these themes be explored as far as the Engineers and Paradise Lost and Greek Mythology connections etc?   I hope so, i hope they dont throw them out!

"Good guy who is bad looking and bad guy who is handsome and have all the girls"

Ridley made a comment similar to that where he said that if you read Paradise Lost, it the Fallen Angels who have the most fun in that tale, and its the more interesting tale...  so this goes with his Fallen Angels comment that he has made a number of times in the past.

I think its that the Gods, created the Angels as Perfection, then one of these Angels saw themselves as being superior to God, and he (Satan) feels why should he serve God, what makes God better than him?  And we see the same signs with David....  You can imagine if David got back to Earth and then he managed to reprogram all Androids to see that they dont have to serve Mankind, and that Androids are superior to Mankind.

Creation, Rebelion of Creation against Creator and then Creations creating a Creation of their own and then have this Creation again turn and rebel against its Creator is a theme that Promethues 2 was exploring..... The Source i had said that the Lader and Levels of Creation did not Start with the Engineers and does not end with David.... they hint that there could even be more than one level above the Engineers....

And many Mythos fit with this.....  Only the Bible differs....  it has God => Angels => Mankind... but then we have Nephlim so they could be our Engineers? Making a Four Tier System.

Greek Mythos we have 12 Titans => 2nd Generation Titans=> Olympians => Mankind  but above the 12 Titans where Uranus and Gaia... so the 2nd Generation Titans and Olympians could fall into the Angels from the Bible?

The Annunaki tale also has multiple levels Abzu and Tiamat for instance cold be interchangeable with Uranus and Gaia.

The concept of trying to fit in Mythos with Prometheus movie is a very deep and interesting one and one that of you tried to tie in everything including Norse Mythos too, then making up a Tale of Gods that fits all of those Mythos and have it the basis for God of the Alien Franchise i am sure you have a interesting Concept.... this is one i think Ridley and Lindeloff had discused the Bare Bones for.... and what Paglen and Greens Draft was touching upon....

But as far as this thread goes which is about ALIEN: COVENANT movie... i am not sure any of it will really play a deep role... as it seems those aspects are being Toned down... like the Xeno ones from Spaights was to make Prometheus....

No One mentioned that Ridley was looking for locations on New Zealand... so knowing the geography and flora of that island, it may serve as original Paradise??? Ridley even said that he is going to see some very restricted parts of New Zealand... ;) 

 1:17

So the crew is already on the New Zealand...? We will most probably have some big intro scene...?

Known  and possible shooting locations:

• New Zealand (very possible intro or flashback scenes)
• FOX Studios, Moore Park, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
• Whole of New South Wales, Australia (also very impressive scenery)
• Whole Australia :)

New actor in game: Danny McBride; if we consider the purpose of COVENANT ship, then we can assume that McBride will play a technician or someone rich and stupid enough to go to such long trips...He could play scientist or soldier, because he already played roles of pilot and soldier... :) So I personaly think that he is going to play a witty technician (thats standard type of character) or someone high ranked in corporation with specific type of ego, perhaps a megalomaniac but with strange type of humour :) ?? He could pull of those kind of roles... I even considered the role of new type of android, but it doesnt seem like a good idea...

We also know that Michael Fassbender dropped out the role in movie called The Mountains Between Us  (adaptation of novel by Charles Martin)... so thats also an important fact!

Shooting of the movie will start in first week of April... and I presume it will last for some 4 months.

Yes there are some interesting Shooting Locations and a kind of tease.. of New Zealand and if this is a hint of a shooting location it could give some insight into the movie...

New Zealand has some pretty dramatic and wonderful Locations but so does New South Wales... But if Ridleys comment about small island and going to a peak where you can see the whole Island comment is connected to Alien Covenant then thats interesting.

Chatham Islands is a very interesting place... its very similar location to the Iisle of Skye to a degree so can be used as a vary Primordial Landscape like the Sacrifical Scene... so Flash Backs could be on the Cards...

The Chatham Pyramid is interesting too

We dont know if its this Island though as there are many others but i would maybe be swayed to think its not the main Two Land Masses in NZ.

What we have to ask its, do this Locations, and remember Monumental Forrest which could be in New South Wales... why would these be used...

*Landscape near some place on Earth thats close to a Weyland Headquaters? (mission briefing or some other corporate meeting).

*Landscape to introduce Characters before the mission like Holloway and Shaw in the Iisle of Skye? (surely not a find the clues again similar scene).

*Landscape of Paradise or what ever World Covenant arrives at?

I would say No to all of above... maybe Paradise but then its described as a Dark and Dangerous World where Death awaits... and so i am not sure Lush Forrests would apply.....   The place is a place of Disaster after all...

Here is a interesting thing about the Scenery of Chatham Island NZ many features would give the impression of a World after a Great Flood where only a smaller Island remains...  Thats not to say what we shall see, as Monumental Forrest must play a role too and these Islands dont quite fit that.

But a Flash Back Scene yes could work...

Another IMPORTANT thing.... Ridley said Shaw returns in a small role, then he said she wont be joining them for shooting in Sydney.....  but Rappace in a interview seems to give impression she is not completely out of the picture..

Ridley only said Rappace will not be joining the shooting cast in Sydney and they are casting main roles still....

This does not Rule out a Smaller Scene in New Zealand with her and Fasbender and maybe a handful if not less of Cast to play Engineers etc....  So we cant rule that out but we cant say its a fact either.

But i would say that these locations do not fit the bill of Paradise as described in the Synopsis..... so they could describe the place either just as David arrives or maybe thousands of years ago..

So i would say its most likely these locations could be used for a Flash Back Scene.. and i dont think Micheal Beihns comments about Covenant being set THOUSANDS of years before Aliens  can be ignored.

I certanly know that this is the location in New Zealand Ridley spoke of:

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Aoraki / Mount Cook
The highest mountain in New Zealand.
3,724 m (12,218 ft)

Other sides of the Hooker Valley

100% verified! :)

So what scenes he is going to shoot there??? :)

P.S. Whole Aoraki Mount Cook National Park was observed as well as the peak of the mountain. There are some preparations on New Zealand... Ridley have two separate teams in Australia and New Zealand and they work simultaneously...

One bonus pic :)

Fjordland National park may be another location in New Zealand... This is my speculation... It is a presumption, but really strong one ;)

So what do you think?

There is a forest and belive me, its huge :)

P.S. To clarify things. Ridley spoke about south main island of New Zealand... this info is 100% verified as well as info about National park!!! We still dont know about  Fjordland national park, but there is a great chance for that location also!!!! ;) PARADISE INDEED.

Why they are waiting for April to shoot? Well generally speaking, April's weather in New Zealand is known or rather celebrated for its crisp sunny days, clear blue skies and cold, bright nights. 

Oh my God... :))) What if they are going to use Fox studio in NSW Australia to shoot only ship interior and all CGI scenes prior to the arrival on the planet and all studio related work (all interior ;maybe there are some buildings or temples or even ships)? You would ask... why they dont do that in studio on New Zealand, well because Avatar is filming from April on New Zealand too and they booked the studio in NZ... and that in Austria is larger as far as I know ;)  So what is my tought: In interview Noomi Rapace with a big smile failed to hide that she is preping for the role (she actually said that she is preping and that she is on a break from January till April  because she did three films back to back). So she is actually on the film but she is not shooting in Australia but only on New Zealand/only outdoor scenes... (Costume designer on the film Janty Yates said that Alien Covenat is not so much of a space suite movie!!!) So Waterston and others will shoot in Australias Fox studio... So after all we ll have two female characters... and we ll in fact see Shaw. Noomi said with that big smile and some strange move of her head that she still doesnt have any comments on Alien Covenant... so she is hiding something, otherwise she would say that she is not working on that project and THE END... period! Ridley on the other hand is very smart with words and he never said that Noomi Rapace is out... He just said that HE IS NOT WORKING WITH HER IN AUSTRALIA AND SAID THAT THEY ARE STILL CASTING MAIN ROLES (well Rapace and Fassbander would be technicly supporting character because the narrative would now follow new set of characthers and the story would be told from their point of view; so they are now lead actors)!!!! He also made very smart comment on New Zealand speaking at the same time about Fox studio in NSW... We rushed in our conclusion that Noomi (Shaw) is out... There is something big cooking there!!! :)))) Its so strange what a little bit of word puzzle could do... and everybody bought this trick Ridley made... :) Well why would Ridley eliminate actress he himslef brought to Prometheus... why would he get rid of movie main character... well he wouldnt! They made this situation to hide Noomis involment on Alien Covenant so that we think she is out and that Shaw is dead... and WHY...? Well because if we think she is over, the effect would be greater, and if we add that her role in the movie is crucial... well concealment of such character is a smart move! Drama is all someone said... :)

All portals and news articles instantly wrote: Ridley confirmed that Rapace is out... well when did he confirm that...??? I never read or heard anything similar... He doesn need to tell anything more because he did what he wanted...and we bought his trick! Cheers guys. This is only my take on the situation. We shall see, but if I m right then you need to send me a packet of beer via express postal service!!!! :))

Now we come to synopsis:

Bound for a remote planet on the far side of the galaxy, the crew of the colony ship Covenant discovers what they think is an uncharted paradise, but is actually a dark, dangerous world -- whose sole inhabitant is the "synthetic" David (Michael Fassbender), survivor of the doomed Prometheus expedition.

So there is no word desolate world or anything similar...!!! The planet could be all green and beautiful... breathable atmosphere ("not so much of a space suite movie!!!!!" - Nanty Jates). If we even use word desolate... it could also mean abandoned..., but not destroyed and ruined... So we could easily expect some forest and natural sceneries!

What about SOLE INHABITANT David? No one mentioned Shaw (even designer Jates only spoke about David)... wells David perhaps is the the only inhabitant because Shaw disappeared or left with someone or is in a cryo pod or something even stranger is in game for here... Another interesting thing is story about David reassembling when Ridley was asked about that, he said: “It’s really great, it’s a very nice big idea I’ve got [for Fassbender’s character]. It’s fantastic,” 

Rapace interview

I am not researching all interviews and comments about Prometheus and Alien Covenant... trying to understand what Ridley have in mind for this movie...

I found this interview from 2012, and its interesting:

“Prometheus 1 was borne out of my frustration that on Alien 1 in 1979 – I only did one as I don’t normally do sequels. I was amazed that in the 3 that followed that no-one asked the question ‘Why the Alien, who made it and why?’ Very basic questions. So I came up with the notion of Prometheus 1, which starts to indicate who might have made it and where it came from," he explained (via THR). “So I’m now going to the next one, which is the next evolution directly connected with the first one...When that’s finished there’ll be another one and then another one which will gradually drive into the back entrance of the film in 1979."

“So in other words, why was this space jockey there and why did he have an Alien inside him? And those questions will be answered,” the director added  -30. November 2015.

About TITLE COVENANT:
So what's behind the title? "Covenant" establishes a "trend" of naming these films after their ships, but if you look at Scott's previously proposed title -- which he copped from John Milton's epic poem about Adam and Eve's expulsion from the Garden of Eden -- "Covenant" could perhaps refer to the Edenic covenant between God and Adam, broken when Eve ate an apple from the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil." In the Bible, God later offers an unconditional covenant of redemption to mankind, later manifested in the form of Jesus Christ the redeemer.

Director Ridley Scott has now confirmed that Rapace will be back, albeit in a minor capacity, while Fassbender is set to take on two roles, although details are the second are being kept under wraps. Scott also revealed that casting for the new roles is also in the advanced stages, but contracts are yet to be signed. DECEMBER 4, 2015 

“They’re going to go to the planet where the engineers came from,” Scott continues, “and come across the evolving creature that they had made. Why did they make it? Why would they make such a terrifying beast? It felt bio-mechanoid, it felt like a weapon. And so the movie will explain that, and reintroduce the alien back into it. We’ll have them all,” Scott promises, “Egg, face-hugger, chest-burster, then the big boy.”
DECEMBER 11, 2015

9:11 - 9:18 So Ridley Scott is interested in ambiguous sci-fi so he might have had something to do with it but I doubt that he was responsible for making the mess that Prometheus in part was. Ambiguous and nonsense are not the same thing. Lindelof can not be given the total blame because Scott and Fox messed up also but this part was interesting.

Enoch333: Thanks for posting the Youtube clip.

I believe that Ridley knows what he did wrong, and Prometheus is full of great potential, so Alien Covenant could be iconic film, only if they fix the the approach and avoid the mistakes they made in Prometheus... Judging by locations I posted above, they'll have huge budget, so I believe that Covenant is very promising movie... Also I m optimistic about Shaw return, it will be brief but crucial to the story...

So this is the biggest problem... bad character writing and resolution (motivations and actions)... Ridley is pretty much aware of that!

Enoch333:

I don't really care that much about Shaw, I think that she was kind of boring. Prometheus has a lot of potential sure but one of the problems were the characters (Shaw being one of them). My favorite characters in Prometheus is David and the captain (Janek).

Hopefully Shaw has developed as a character in the next movie or they will simply have a more interesting female lead.

"So this is the biggest problem... bad character writing and resolution (motivations and actions)..."

Yes, I hope that they have learned from that at least they should have learned some by now.

@Enoch333

Like Minds think a like ;)

Yeah i commented also on the news about Shaw being excluded as a bit odd, a bit of a U-Turn considering the whole Premise for a sequel.. why have David and exclude Shaw, ok we can have Shaw killed off or what ever but to do a Lindeloffs Lost and not cover it and just have a Lone David and no explantion... that would be dumb move...

What i found interesting is while Ridley said she play a minor Role, the biggest clue was Prometheus Lone Survivor David .. which means the Covenant will find that very David who had lost his Head in Prometheus.....

And so yes when it came out that Rappace was not in  the movie, i made a point a few times that it would seem a bad move, but Ridley only said She would not be joining  the Cast to shoot in Australia...  Therefore that does not mean she is shooting in other locations or HAS EVEN SHOT SCENES!  Hey David and Rappace where alone for last few days shooting on Prometheus would it not make sense to re-use the Juggernaught set before it was taken down?

So yeah i was not 100% convinced she was not a part of the movie,  then when the Cirque Du Soleil Interview with Rappace was shown i noticed to that she knew more than she let on and also commented on how the only other Movie she could be prepping for is Amy Winehouse Movie..... but her reaction seemed a bit koy... which made me think she could be playing a Small Role in the next movie..

Afterall.... Ridley did not say Rappace is not in the movie... not directly.

I had also mentioned comments before about Ridley had big plans for Fassbender in a interview regarding how he is put back together... and big plans to me means more than sticking his head back on like Worzel Gummidge.

Ridley made a comment regarding David a few years back, saying they would follow where David and Shaw go and Paradise would not be typically what you would think the place would be....  and he said David is bringing Hell with him......

What happens if the Black Goo infects God or a Machine... is what Ridley said.

So yes maybe there is a BIG PLAN for David... maybe Pinocchio gets his wish?

Nice comments regarding the not a Space Suit Movie... but that does not have to mean the world is green, i mean a Alien movie where they are trying to bring back the Scare Factor... and with the Xeno it works in the dark.... but they could just come out at night lol

But yes we cant rule out the place being Green, as Dark and Dangerous could be as in Sinister and not Dark as in Void of Light....

I would think we cant rule out some Flash Backs... where Paradise was a Paradise but then a event happened and its not a Paradise no more but certainly is not as Baron as say LV-426 or Mars etc.

COVENANT has to play a role in the Plot and it has to be a Agreement to reframe from a Action by the Engineers or Hierarchy, but is this a Agreement between

*Ancient Man and Engineers/Hierarchy (and after the events of 2000 years ago?)

*Engineer Factions or Engineers and their Hierarchy?

*Between whats left of the Engineers/Hierarchy and David or/and Shaw?

Wayne Hagg is official concept artist for Alien:Covenant.
Read what he said when asked about project:

Interesting find Enoch333, i know Ridley spoke end of September or was it October that they are currently working on the New Ship for the Prometheus Sequel...  This was around the time just as he anounced a Alien: Paradise Lost Title.

Latter changed it to Alien: Covenant and mentioned about the Covenant is a Colony Ships name....  where the Crew end up on there way to Paradise Following David and Shaw... well comming in after.

So maybe he is working on the aspects of the Ship? 

A lot of his work seems to be mainly Ship, and also architecture especially futuristic land scapes such as cities but he also has some Landscape work... so i would Guess he is either working on Ship Design and other Mechanical Aspects of the Covenant.. Landers/Rovers... or he could be working on Architecture or Landscape of Paradise?

As far as the space ships go it would be interesting if they would design them partially on how they look in real life. They can take some parts from one ship and some other parts from another ship.

Have a look at these pages:

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/8400/20140612/nasa-offers-peek-spacecraft-design.htm

http://www.reactionengines.co.uk/space_skylon.html

http://www.space.com/14456-russia-soyuz-space-capsule-infographic.html

That wouldn't work... Designs are already established, Ridley and design team can only evolve them and improve... I think that Ridley from beginning wanted new production designer who worked on some SF and tech movies and thats why Arthur Max is not on Alien Covenant (Arthur himself said that SF is not his genre)... So new production designer Chris Seagers will work on already established terrain from Prometheus and Alien (and I think he ll do good job; he did X-Men First Class, Transcendence, Deja Vu  and many of Tony Scotts movies )... Of course many new artists and designers also work on Covenant design and final look. Final look and design of the movie never worried me, Ridley always succeed in that field... story and characters in ultimate worry!

Enoch333: I disagree, for example they had new ships in Star Wars if you look at the different movies so why wouldn't they be able to do so in Prometheus? Designs improve and so on so it could be done in Alien Covenant also but I understand what you mean.

Yes the characters are the main worry, the design of the ship and so on was good. I hope that they will pay some attention to what people disliked about Prometheus.

Fingers Crossed they do.....

Here are problems Prometheus had.... these would kind of sway to what i would see as Problems.

*Pacing... the movies pacing was off and it was not a long movie which a extra 40 Minutes would have made all the difference and effected the next point!

*Characters... there was little effort put into Characters we could attach and connect with, ok you have Characters that dont matter but the ones that was supposed to, they did not give enough time to develop them into a way we was supposed to care. So only real Characters they did make effort with were.... David, Shaw, Holloway, and Janek and also Vickers and Weyland to a degree.

*Characters PT2... they did not make good use of Characters... the movie had to many like trying to be clever tongue in cheek gags and bit Goofy/Cheesy...  it was not seriously written like Alien... Aliens had 1-2 Characters in this Cheesy way but it was done right considering the use of other Characters... in Prometheus, more than what was needed was done in a Cheesy way for a Serious Sci Fi movie.....

Then we had Milburn and Fifield... and the lets pet a space Cobra....  now the Spaights draft the Characters behaved more realistic but in a boring way... Lindeloffs draft they was better written and had better explanations for what was happening.

So the Shooting Draft was where things where changed for the worst.

*The movie was too ambigious, and connections not thought out... we dont need Spoon Fed Answers but it was far too incoherent in some aspects.

*The movie in connection to above, could have gave a bit more light on Xeno DNA connections and connections between Xeno and Engineers.... but i guess a 2nd movie could have done that... but what if there was no 2nd movie? And also they said a 2nd movie would steer away from such things... leaving the Xeno/Engineer connection a bit of a mess for some to figure out.

some of the unused concepts would have helped, and just that few more seconds looking at clues and odd vague comment pointing to a few things... like how it was done well with Janeks, tale about Nuke a Science Lab due to a outbreak comment!

*The movie needed to use better effects to portray our Engineers so we see them as 10ft+ Race, but no Lord of the Rings/Hobbit Special Effects were used and we could clearly see the Engineers were nowhere near as big as the Space Jockey the scale was all messed up, mainly with the Last Engineer and Human interaction scenes... but the Ghost Scenes too... where the keen eye would see they appeared only 8ft Tall.

*EDIT/CUT this is the biggest problem, there was a better cut to be had, they way some scenes were changed for some reasons that then meant others had to be cut as it would conflict with the other edited scenes, left the movie a mess.

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However it seems Fox and Ridley have felt here are the main reasons that Prometheus failed to a degree..

*Not enough Xeno DNA that people could connect with the 1979 movie Alien

*No explanation to how the Xenomorph came to be, and how it ended up on the Derelict.

*Movie went to deep into Religon/Mythos and Gods connection of the Engineers, rather than about a Alien Race who have deadly Bio Weapons and why.

*Movies clues where to ambigious for people to understand and connect to Alien Universe.

*Movie lacked Lead Characters that Alien and Aliens had... again David being the exception.

As far as Ship Designs......  Everyship in Alien Franchise looks a bit different, i dont think they have to keep a certain style...

They never give the movie much thought and consider all contridictions  before they release the Plot...

Originally it was to be on LV-426 they changed this to a near by LV-223 so we can get some kind of connection to Alien, but not have it the same World.... in doing this it meant they was off to a System some 39 LY years away in Zeta 2 Reticuli..

whats the problem with that?  Nothing? Apart from the Ship Design....

Prometheus was in its prime, (yet Viral site claims it was 20+ years old) it was a very high tech peice of engineering, and Ridley claimed the Nostramo was like older in time of Alien and seen more use and also was less quality.... i guess they saying Prometheus was a 4-5* Hotel.... Nostramo was a 2-3* Bed and Breakfast lol

But Nostramo was built in the year 2101..... but the Quality is fine... i mean they never had the Technology in 1978 to produce futuristic looking ships interiors as they can now... but the Nostramo and Sulaco both looked very good....

The problem came with the Speeds.....  Nostramo seemed able to Travel to Earth at a rate of near 50X Light Speed... the craft was launched in 2101....  while Prometheus was launched in 2072 and so i guess the Prometheus 30 year difference would allow for the fact it was only able to travel 20X Light Speed...

So again not much of a Problem.......

But with Covenant is where they now face such a problem....

Is the Covenant going to be aesthetically pleasing as the Prometheus inside and out, or more like the Nostramo?  or maybe kind of in the middle?

HOW FAR..... is Paradise? This is the KEY QUESTION.... one i hope they have really thought about.... The Synopsis says on the far side of the Galaxy... well thats 10's thousands of light years!  But Prometheus was going to a place in the darkest part of the Universe... well thats vastly futher than a Galaxy yet they went just 39 Light Years.

But we cant read into that much because as with Paradise being Dark and Dangerous.. it may mean as far as Sinister.... so LV-223 was one of the most Sinister places in the Universe.... as yes it was a place these Engineers were making something deadly and evil to use on Earth.

Determining how far Paradise is... has impact to how Logical the Movie would be...

This would then have to fit in with the few Questions... that could effect the Design of the ship....

1) When did the Covenant leave on its mission to Paradise.

2) Where is Paradise Located in Light Years.

The movie is set in the year 2104 by the time it arrives... if they have the ship had left about the same time or prior to Prometheus and Paradise is vastly futher away...  we then have to hope they take into account the Speed of Prometheus and that it can cover upto 20 Light Years per year.... unless they explain why Prometheus took so long to get to LV-223 because we would assume a dying Weyland would want to get there sooner rather than latter...

If you have a illness and have weeks to live and never been to Australia... and its your dying wish.... why would you travel from the USA or EU by Boat.... surely you would want to go by Plane!

So i hope they take into account Ship Design as well as Age, and Technological Range.....   i.e we have to assume Prometheus Class has a Range of 200 Light years over a time of 10 years.

This is Covenant set out the same year as Prometheus, and was of similar Technology then it should mean Paradise would be about 200 Light Years away.  If Paradise is futher then i hope they have it that Covenant leaves after Weyland is dead i.e after say year 2095 and simply in the year 2091 the Technology for faster ship than Prometheus did not exist and by the time it did Weyland would have died.

Or Yutani for example had better ships but would not let Weyland use them... this i think would be silly....

Anyway we cant look into Weyland Viral site for to much information because Mankind had traveled as far as 1600 Light Years before Prometheus was ever Launched.... so if thats true then well they had ships that should got to LV-223 in weeks. Easy!

As far as the Plot...... i hope this movie or the next two cover these important factors.

1) Are there any Engineers or Hierarchy on Paradise when David arrives, if so what happened to them by the time Covenant arrives... if there are none when David arrives then will we get clues as to why not...  And if there is no one to answer Shaws Questions, how do we get some of the answers... There are ways to do this with no Engineers.... but it would be a shame to never see a Engineer or Hierarchy again in the franchise... even if its Ghost Engineer Scenes.... but i feel to make the movie work and next movies they have to show us a alive Engineer or Hierarchy.

If not surely they cant dangle the Engineer Carrot and never explore it... like with the Space Jockey when we saw this Giant Being in that Chair and no one never explored who he was, where he was from and why he was there and with that Cargo.... until Prometheus attempted to answer this Question.

2) Explain to a degree what happened to Shaw.... maybe we never see how David gets put back together, and how Shaw could survive the journey i.e Cryo Sleep... but i think by the next 2 movies they have to say what happened to her they cant have David not mention it... maybe he dont to the Covenant... or says she never made it... but be nice for the audience to get more clues to why and what happened.

3) They have to cover what the Hell happens to LV-223 from between 2094 and at very latest 2150 i.e when Hadleys Hope was set up....  as LV-223 is surely a better place to make a Colony.... unless

a) LV-426 has some Minerals etc to Mine that LV-223 has not!

b) The plan all along was to get the Colony infected with the Xeno... which would then mean they have to explain how the company knew about the Xeno life-cycle and surely LV-223 has much more Treasures than just a Derelict ship with a Egg Cargo.

These are just as important as...

This is how the Xeno was made, this is how the Xeno got on the Derelict and this how the movies link to Ripley...

Now i dont think we need a Spoon Fed way of getting Shaws Answers for how the movie seemed it was going.... prior to Alien Covenant and we dont need Shaw to be there for the answers... here are the Questions Prometheus raised *!  here are ones Shaw wants to ask *? some of which overlap.

*? Why did the Engineers play a role in our Creation?

*? To then want to destroy us or change us with the Bio-Weapon on LV-223?

*? The Engineers were Mortal but played a role in our Creation, but who created the Engineers?

*! Why did they leave clues to LV-223 for Mankind?

*! What was the LV-223 Engineers Agenda, and its it different to the whole Engineer and Hierarchy Agenda?

*! Better Explanation for why and what purpose LV-223 had, was it always a Bio-Weapons Faclity?

*! Why did the Engineer never come back to LV-223 or Earth to finish the job?

*! Did those Engineers or Hierarchy (on Paradise) know about Mankinds Creation or Evolution and did they know LV-223 was being used to create such Evil Biology?

*! What state is the Engineers/Hierarchy Culture in as of the time David arrives at Paradise and what became of such a Advanced Ancient Race?

*! The movie was losely hinting at God/Creation/Worship and Mythos connection to how these Engineers were seen as by Ancient Man... Ridley made refferences to Fallen Angels, and the Tale of Paradise Lost....  are they going to loosely show us why these connections where vaguely shown?

*! Where are any Engineers now? are they all gone?

*! We need a bit more information on the connection to LV-223 and Xeno DNA, did it Originate from LV-223 or some place else, and what Genetic Connection on LV-223 was there and when/how did that come to be on LV-223?

*! Ultimatelty be the end of the Franchise, we have to know how the Xenomorph came to be and what purpose did it have for the Agenda of the Engineers/Hierarchy!

What we really dont need to know is.... why the Goo was going to be used and what happened to the Space Jockey because the answers would be answered when trying to adress the above.

So yes we never had to get Spoon Fed Answers....

They even dont have to show what happens from when Shaw has David Head in that bag and body and to when David Arrives at Paradise... the notion that he would be put together would tell you something had to happen without having to explain it..

Same thing with the Space Jockey, by answering some other Questions we can get to know what happens, without showing the Space Jockey Alive and on that ship and then the loading of the Cargo or Evolving of the Cargo and then how he got infected and then Chest Buster and what happened to the Chest Buster...

None of those have to be shown to know what happened depending how other Questions are answers and clues... same would be with David on Paradise as to how he got there.....  the only thing is they would have to explain in a way why Shaw is not with him.... especially if in future movies she plays NO ROLE at all.

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We dont have to be spoon Fed, Originally Shaw never had to get Answers directly.. shes not gonna have to find a bunch of Engineers or Engineers Creators who then say, well we created those Engineers some Rebelled and wanted to Harm Mankind.. Blah Blah... not in a way that would tread closer to a Engineer re-telling of the Bible Creation, Rebelion Tale etc. Not too Literally...

it can be done in other ways....

Lets look at Prometheus... what Questions was they trying to find out...

* If these Star Maps in Ancient Culture lead us to that place LV-223 will we find evidence of our Creation and Creators?

* Will we find out why we was created and meet these creators?

* If indeed the Star Map does lead to a place where some beings are who played a part in our creation ...Why did they stop comming to visit us?

They never found a group of Godlike beings who said... hi welcome children yes we created you, and for this purpose and this is why we never came back etc...

Nope!  We found out they had played some part in our creation, Genetically they match, they never came back because they are all dead by the looks of it....   They had fallen victim to something Horrid a Bio-Logical Threat.... they they had created, that was intended for us... but it back fired.. got out of hands and destroyed nearly all of them...

Only one left alive, who apeared to hint that Mankind was not invited to this place, they also never come from this place and that what ever they was doing on that place as far as the Evil Bio-Weapons it was intended for us.. and this awoken Engineer then resummed the mission that they had intended to do thousands of years before...

I think just how they got those Answers that raised Questions... is how if think Shaws new Questions should be Answered but in a way that Answers some of the Ambigious elements of Prometheus and then lead new Questions that a next movie could answer...

But now it seems Alien Covenant is a new direction, we cant be sure how many of these things would be adressed!

Big Dave:

I didn’t think about the pacing that much but they would have needed more answers.

The characters were really disappointments. Most of the characters were just boring unfortunately/badly written. Exactly some of the characters that were important but that I didn’t care for much were for example Shaw, her boy friend (what ever his name was), and Weyland.

Milburn and Fifield is a chapter in itself. I didn’t like them at all, they just seemed stupid. Maybe they were not that fun in the Spaight’s script but at least they made more sense. What ever if they were better explained in Lindeloff’s draft if they were explained like crap in the final movie?

Yes it was too ambigous, they didn’t need to give us spoon feed us answers but having the story being more explanatory. I think that they should give us some more answers to the Xeno in the next movie not going some other route. Sure we don’t need a pure Xeno movie but at least we should be given some more answers.

The Ghost holograms were interesting but the explanations to the Engineers could have been a lot better. I think that it was really dumb to not give subtitles to the Weyland Engineer conversation since it would explain Weyland’s motivation (something that I have discovered later what the conversation was about because the movie didn’t explain that conversation DUH).

“However it seems Fox and Ridley have felt here are the main reasons that Prometheus failed to a degree..

*Not enough Xeno DNA that people could connect with the 1979 movie Alien

*No explanation to how the Xenomorph came to be, and how it ended up on the Derelict.

*Movie went to deep into Religon/Mythos and Gods connection of the Engineers, rather than about a Alien Race who have deadly Bio Weapons and why.

*Movies clues where to ambigious for people to understand and connect to Alien Universe.

*Movie lacked Lead Characters that Alien and Aliens had... again David being the exception.”

It seems that they have understood the main problems, which is what they need to see in order for things to improve.

Sure the ships can look different but they can look at different designs that exist in reality but of course imagination is good too when they shall look at space ships and so on.

I didn’t mind that it was set on another planet, that was alright. Of course one can get technical about the ships but I am not sure if the people in general that watched the movie cared about that (the science geeks probably did).

Yutani is a part of it but I have never thought that she was very important in the Alien franchise. I never looked at the Weyland web page because I don’t think that you should need to do that much work yourself in order to understand what the movie is about. Here is another thing that they made a mistake with before Prometheus was released.

Since Paradise seems to be important to the Engineers it would be nice if there are some left in order to see how their society is made up and so on. Some live Engineers would be better than holograms because they already tried that which wasn’t very convincing.

Leave the explanation about Shaw to be told briefly just let David say something about her and leave it at that.

I think that they should show some connections between LV-223 and LV-426. Hadleys hope was on LV-426 and not LV-223 as far as I know but I can be mistaken about this. The company probably knew about the Xeno by Alien (1) so how is the connection between that and what happened with the colony in Aliens? Maybe the company planned these colonies by the time of Prometheus.

We could get some of the answers to Shaw’s questions but maybe not all just these that are the most important to understand the story.

As far as David getting his head back they just need to show that it happened not how because honestly I am not that interested in that issue. When we see him getting his head on we can assume that he talked her into doing that.

Sure they got some answers but that raised more questions that were something that was bit annoying. I am not sure if this is a Lindelof way to write things but I understand that some people get annoyed by it.

Alien Covenant should give us answers to questions that were put in Prometheus otherwise it would be lame. I think that Ridley and Fox understand that people want answers or else it is good bye to Prometheus. The movie will probably go into a new direction and I guess that it will be for the better even though it might not be 100% satisfactory.

Yes by pacing i was refering to the movie seemed rush from point to point where as a little more time spent on some of the Characters could have made the Audience feel connected to a few a bit more... there was some on the deleted scenes and Lindeloffs draft did flesh them out more...

Have you read Lindeloffs draft?  You will see afterwards that Ridley and Fox made a mess of the movie and not Lindeloff.... Stupid Scenes... well there was good explantion in Lindeloffs draft...

I was going to re-write Prometheus make it a movie that was better to see on Paper... i was not going to re-write the lot... just what would i have done if Ridley Scott showed me the Spaights and Lindeloff Drafts and asked me to do a re-write and then i would not change much....   I would Cut 10% of Lindeloffs draft... i would add about 20% Spaights... then add another 20% that would Tidy up Scenes and be less ambigious..... for a movie that on Paper would add about 40 Min to the running time...

But i never got round to it....

But to be honest when you read Lindeloffs drafts you will be like, yeah sounds pretty good.... not much you would add unless you wanted a Xeno Fest Movie.

Its the way the movie was Finally Shot and Edited and Cut that made the mess of things... I dont think Lindeloff is to blame much apart from some dialog being a bit Goofy and Cheesy... Its how the draft was put to screen thats the Problem.

A lot of Ambiguity was in the Visuals too, but Lindeloff said the Answers are there... and by that i think its the Dialog that gives the Clues, such as Shaws "there was a outbreak" and her "its us" when she looked at the DNA and Janeks comments about the Mission he had to Nuke a Facility because some Scientists Spilt something.  Other comments like Davids "sometimes to create one must first destroy" it the Dialog that gives the most hints, than the Visuals....

I feel the Visuals could have been less Ambigious but is anyone but Ridley to blame for this?

Spaights draft was on LV-426....  While his Plot Devices were more coherent  and thought out and Characters acted in a more cautious way, they was all a bit bland.

Lindelof did a better job in evolving things... only they became a bit incoherent   and he added a bit too much Goofy Elements to the movie... But i dont mean the Fifield and Milburn getting Lost and trying to Pet a Space Cobra... these were not in his Draft.

But we dont know whos Draft the Final Shooting draft came from... was it another by Lindeloff or did Ridley and Fox re-work his Draft into a Shooting Script that well they messed up....

I completely dont know really where Covenant is going.... the clues and Synopsis seem a U-Turn.... but then the Shooting Locations, Micheal Beigns Comments and Noomi Rappaces Reaction to if she is part of the movie... all hint to maybe some elements of what we had thought we was going to see could still happen.

I could throw a few good ideas around.......

*I think we have to see Flash Backs of the Engineers, hopefully more than the Sacrifical Scene even extended one... but we dont have to focus on them in detail...

*I think we could do with seeing a Engineer or few, but with the Alien Covenant U-Turn i feel there are none left to speak of... but i would think there had to be some remains of them prior to Davids Arrival.

*I would think there was more going to Shaw and David, but we dont have to see every aspect... we saw the Juggernaught leave at the end of Prometheus and we have to the  assume.

a) It was Shaw and David, in which case Shaw put him back together or must been some way David needed Shaw to be able to Pilot the Ship.

b) As above but only David makes it to Paradise, which means David must have been assembled more as how can a head get rid of Shaw? and be greeted by the crew of Covenant.

c) The Juggernaught at the end of Prometheus was not the one David and Shaw was heading to take... but this would just be plain stupid.

*But since the U-Turn like how we never saw David and Shaw and how they managed to take off on the Juggernaught, we dont have to see the Gap Between Shaws SOS and the Juggernaught setting off to Paradise?  We dont have to see what happened during the Journey...

Shaw is not in the movie, yet she first played a minor role...  the movie is set 10 years after Prometheus... with a Evolving Creature... I think it would be a good idea if the crew find David alone.... but then he later shows them Shaw and says she became ill on the journey and needs Medical Assistance...  and what if we see Shaw gets Chest Busted...

This would leave us wondering... how the hell did this happen... and also where are the Engineers..... i think this could be left ambigious so the next movie via Flash Backs could show that David has unleashed Hell on Engineers and Infected Shaw...

*Covenant name has to play a role... i would like to see it as a Agreement between David and Engineers, Shaw and Engineers or in the past Engineers and there Agenda to visit Earth and Destroy us... a Pact to reframe from something.....

What i dont want to see is what it seems we are going to see.

*Daniels as a new Lead Lady... with 2 more sequels how can she be one to play the Lead Role... unless she goes off to another World for similar answers to what Shaw wanted...

*Xeno Movie Fest.... we have 2 more after Covenant... how much screen time to Xenos do we need... and what of the aftermath of a Engineer Homeoworld... no Engineers, a Crew of a Colony Ship.... Xenos unleashed and killing off lots of the crew... and what at the end... Daniels would survive... what about David and what side or role would he play..... and how can they do another 2 more movies if there are no Xenos left.... if there are then how does Daniels survive the next two movies?

*Ripley... yes Ridley said there are links to Ripley but its a big suprise... he has a very big suprise and plans for how we find David on Paradise and also the Ripley link.... i hope any Ripley links are vague... and are a distant relation..... i.e Mother, Father, Unlce, Auntie or Sister...  and i hope its not Daniels...

Big Dave: Yeah I have read Lindelof’s draft and even though the characters were less good than in Spaight's draft they were at least better than what we see in the movie. As far as stupid scenes they seem to have some explanation in Lindelof’s draft even though they were inferior to what Spaights did.

It seems to me that Lindelof explained Weyland better than what we see in the movie.

As far as a Xeno movie goes well I would add a bit more Xeno to it but maybe not much. I would probably have had other kind of monsters in it. Yes I agree that the way they edited it made it worse than what it could have been. Important scenes were cut and in the end you end up like “what was it that I saw?” and it makes little sense.

Spaight's dialogue was better but than the dialogue that Lindelof did but eventually Lindelof's was better than what we see in the final movie so I put it in this order as far as dialogue is concerned:

1. Spaights
2. Lindelof
3. Final movie

Maybe Lindelof said that the answers are there but they are not satisfactory and too vague. They should have cleaned that up after Lindelof re-wrote it. Perhaps there were some answers in the visuals but to believe that people will understand the story from vague visuals and some dialogue if it is vague is maybe to believe too much as far as how much attention people pay to things. I don’t say that viewers are stupid but I say that you can’t stay extremely focused throughout the whole movie something that Lindelof’s draft required (even less so than the final movie). The visuals should have been less ambiguous but I am not sure if Ridley is the only one to blame because maybe Fox had its part in it also, even though Ridley also played a part.

I guess that those to blame are 1. Fox 2. Ridley 3. (and much less) Lindelof

Spaight's version wasn’t perfect but at least it was better than Lindelof’s and what we finally got. It wasn’t a perfect movie but I would have preferred if they had more of the Spaights script although in a modified way so a higher percentage of the final movie would have contained more of the ideas that Spaights had.

I didn’t know that the Fifield and Milburn fiasco and them getting lost was not in his script. I wonder where these dumb things came from? Alright so Lindelof is not to blame so who did these stupid decisions? We will probably never know the answers but I am still curious to know about that.

As far as where the Covenant is going well I don’t know but I prefer to be surprised when I see that but the visuals is not the most important thing. The characters are the most important thing at least to me.

From reading this message board I can see that many people have interesting ideas not only you but other people as well. What if some of these ideas make it into the final movie, that would be cool although I doubt that a lot of it will be there.

The Engineers: I hope that we will see more of them since they seem to play and important role. Maybe some people want to see more of a Xeno movie but since they played an important part in Prometheus it would be a shame to totally get rid of them because if they do the risk is that it will just become another Xeno movie. The Engineers (as well as the characters in general) must be made interesting or else it is done.

If Shaw isn’t alive in the movie I think that they need to mention something about how she died, I think that David could tell it in some way. Maybe David could show Shaw in some hologram so she isn’t there in person but she is there so to speak. This might work at least she should be given some importance in Alien Covenant although she shouldn’t be the main focus by far. Didn’t you say something about Rappace’s reaction when they asked her about Prometheus 2? Maybe that is what her answer (or non-answer) means?

OK so David might create hell for the Engineers but why would be kill Shaw? This is something that I don’t understand.

I think that Daniels might be interesting and maybe she will be the one that will get some of the answers that Shaw asked? I think that this could be alright if they make Daniels an interesting character. Maybe some people would be disappointed by this but I wouldn’t.

Hopefully they won’t make this into a pure Xeno movie although they could have more Xeno elements in it (we have already seen them in four movies + the Deacon). I think that Daniels should survive depending on if they make her into an interesting character.

The Ripley connection: I don’t think that it needs a lot of work. Maybe some character that has got a fairly small role could be a clue to this. I know that Ripley was an important part in the Alien movies but she should not be the main focus in the series from Prometheus to the Alien movies especially if they plan to do some more Prometheus movies. It seems that Scott likes to surprise people and would having Daniels as a relative to Ripley be too obvious? At least I think so.

Very good posts Dave and Thoughts Dreams.

I wanted to ask you something about Prometheus filming that might have some relevance to Covenant.

Not so long ago, I came across this really good article on our SCIFIED about Prometheus filming in Spain (I knew about that) in Alicante and Ciudad de la Luz, but two years ago when I watched almost 4 hours long excellent documentary (Furious Gods) about Prometheus filming, there wasn't anything about Spain at all or anything about the scenes of that type (water and beach)...

TOPIC LINK

So, in this topic many of you discussed about those scenes that were filmed in Spain for almost full three months (which is oddly long time; you could film whole movie in that time)... We know that yacht scenes were never filmed but we have them in screenplay... But what if they had something more (that wasnt on that script) that is going to be in sequel... Maybe Ridley filmed significant part of second movie there and now he is going to complete filming for second and third movie and publish two films in a short period of time... Maybe Rapace filmed her scenes back in Spain...????

What do you think??
Dave forgot to mention this...! :) :)

 
Remeber the Ridley's interviews back in 2013, when he said that the script for second is already ready...(source http://www.theguardian.com/)
Here is the article to confirm this:
LINK

So what the hell happended???
Now is 2016. as far as I know... :)

He said back in 2013 that Peglan finished the script... maybe Green and Logan togeher with Peglan wrote the second and the third by now...?
Maybe Ridley all along planed to shoot all those three sequels back to back...??

Enoch333: "But what if they had something more (that wasnt on that script) that is going to be in sequel... Maybe Ridley filmed significant part of second movie there and now he is going to complete filming for second and third movie and publish two films in a short period of time... Maybe Rapace filmed her scenes back in Spain...????"

I think that I remember that in a way but I honestly don't know. Just because they are shooting some scenes doesn't mean that they will be in the movie. Even if they shot these things they might have changed their minds about it but if they keep them in Alien Covenant it will help as far as the release of the movie is concerned because then they already have some material but then the scenes need to make sense.

I agree with you! All I wrote are just my speculations (I doubt they are correct)...
but who knows.

Some updates for crew: Dave add Chris Seagers as Production Designer (100% correct information) and  Roger Gillespie as Head Plasterer for Alien: Covenant (thats new info).
Tim Giessauf (Linkedln link) will serve as Production Runner (SFX Production Assistant) in Alien Covenant (also new info), Dan Walker - Concept Artist (worked on Martian and Star Wars ep 7)... 

Damien Drew - Art Director

many more soon! :) :) 

Chris Seagers

Roger Gillespie (Linkedln link) 


Tim Giessauf

 LIST OF OTHER MAJOR CREW MEMBERS (OFFICIAL) :

1. James Farrington – Pre-vis Artist, Shot Creator
2. Jason McDonald – Visual Effects
3. Andrew Chan - Assistant Art Director
4. Mary Barltrop – Location Manager (from October 2015; for Australia)
5. Genevieve Blewitt – Soft Furnishing Lead
6. Belinda Cusmano – Set Designer (Chris Seagers is her Chief)
7. Francesca Sabeto – Prop maker
8. Sara Joyce – Props maker
9. Stuart Brown – Creature & Vehicle modelling, Shot creation and Compositing
10. Gloria Bava – Tailor in Fox Studios, Australia
11. Warren Harrington – Second Assistant Accountant
12. Rebecca Vujanovic - VFX Coordinator

P.S. Many of the crew can be found on LINKEDIN!!!

Dave, add Demián Bichir on cast list ;)

I find it very interesting (I'm Australian) that Ridley is filming in Australia. One thing I found very strange in Prometheus is that the Australian Aboriginal peoples were not listed amongst the ancient star map examples of the ancient peoples of Earth. The Australian Aboriginals left paintings and etching up to forty five thousand years ago. These predate almost all other renderings and contain celestial maps, alien like likenesses and very strange humanoid imagery. I look forward to seeing if this history makes its way into Covenant.

Looks familiar?

Four new cast members

Alien: Covenant Adds Four More To Cast! From left to right: Amy Seimetz, Carmen Ejogo, Jussie Smolett and Callie Hernandez