Will Alien: Covenant introduce Xenomorph Egg Morphing?

I wouldn't give much credence to how Covenant is described on IMDB Necro.

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The way the iconic elements of Giger's work were included in the headroom could suggest a preference.

How we all define matters as compelling indeed, what we are all looking for is highly individual. As a woman  I found the C section utterly compelling and the disinterested curiosity of David that lead to that a very hard and disturbing piece of communication. It was for me exceptionally thought provoking rather than gratuitous. At an intellectual level the Trilobite our good friend Mr T and the hammerpede were great visual insights into the nature of interfering with procreative building blocks by supercharging them.

I hope that A C explores that approach further. For me the Queen laying Eggs is a little safe and if we want to get Mr Cincinnati in to the multiplex it needs, like the film to operate on two levels some thing of a hook for the big audience and some thing meaningful for the more demanding.  Personally I would like Eggs Alien.      

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@Chris

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I really like the Egg Morphing.

Maybe the crew of the Covenant are the eggs aboard the LV426 derelict? Caught and morphed in 2114  during a exploration of LV426?.....Kane may have been facehugged by one of the Covenant's crew! Eggs on the derelict seemed nice and fresh.

And It makes me really think ALIENS was a Ripley cryo-dream...She dreamed of a child berthing alien(the Queen)...Dreamed of saving her child(Newt) and killing the big bad(the Queen......maybe Ripley had mother issues?!)

@Aorta

Yes the the facehugger
containing the memories
of the person before
it became alive and
carrying the memories
of a previous life is a
horrifying thought.

Big Dave and I have always shared the belief that the egg-morphing scene from Alien could have tied into Aliens by having the Egg Brett was becoming "lay" a Royal Facehugger (Alien 3: Assembly Cut) that would have used Dallas as a host for a Queen embryo.

I suspect that whatever the Alien did to Brett caused an eerily similar process to what we have seen from the Black Liquid in Prometheus, but I never imagined that the process would have disintegrated Brett into his composite DNA (like the sacrificial Engineer) before reconstructing it into the DNA of the Facehugger.

What I had always imagined was much more macabre, in that the Facehugger would have been composed of parts of Bretts body - his hands for the legs, his spine for the tail, and its internal organs from Bretts own.

I suspect if a link is made back to the egg-morphing idea that Ridley will likely go with the former idea, merging together the ideas from Alien and those of Prometheus.

Gavin that is as a good
an explanation as any
I have heard but I am
leaning more toward
them both becoming
eggs. The thing is Dallas
was in agony as much as
I could the deduce from the
Deleted scene. Something
was happening to him.
Something irreversible.
There is definitely a familiarity
To the holloway scene
Where Janek begs Vickers
To put him on the medpod

The idea in the drafts (Star Beast/Alien) was indeed the Egg Morph, and it is likely that the Spores in the Temple are obtained from Egg Morphing of a Host, who these Hosts where is not known, i could be any creature as all the Organism/Star Beast needed was Genetic Material.

I think when Giger came in to design those Spores his Egg Design was fantastic, very Alien.... however when it came to the Egg Morph it was flawed, if i am right i think the idea was to show One Egg Morph, and one Mutating Human who was starting to Egg Morph and so there may had been no Hosts, and that Dallas would have been changing into a Spore/Egg too.

But they combined both the Giant Egg and Partially deforming Brett into one Prop so that we had what looked more like Brett inside the Egg... and to me this looked a little odd.

But going by the idea and not how visually it was portrayed then the idea would have been that we ended up with Eggs/Spores.   The Hosts DNA/Genetic Material is used to produce a new Spore/Egg.

The actually prop work we got, the Egg Morph was large but who knows maybe over time it would shrink down once its fully formed...  The Xeno/Star Beast essentially effected a Host just as a Mogwai is after its consumed food after midnight, only the Star Beast must do/give/infect something to a Host to get them to become a Pupa that then the Hosts Genetic Material is Evolved into a Face Huger.

This was a idea Ridley liked but it was dropped because Alien had met a number of of budget cuts, they had to relocate the Egg Silo to being a part of a ship instead of a separate Living Cave/Pyramid structure.  Further cuts had to be made to budget that meant they could not pull off the Egg Morph Scene to the standard they liked, and on top of that the pacing of the Scene just broke the movie up in a way that Ridley decided it was not relevant to being needed in the Movie.

So it was dropped, yet the Scene changed the perspective of the Xeno, because if we never knew about this scene or saw it, or even ever had Star Beast and Alien drafts... then the Xenomorph would have came across as purely a hunting/killing machine.

The Egg Morph Scene and the drafts, show us more to the Organism and that its aim was procreation.

Prometheus had similar differences to how you persevere the Plot as far as The Engineers, if you only go by Theatrical and not look at the deleted scenes.

Also some Scenes in Prometheus where changed for pacing, these included the (First Alien) when they find some Worm/Centipede looking Lifeforms... and the finding of the Shredded/Molted Skin of what we have to assume is the Hammerpedes. 

With Aliens as the Theatrical Alien never showed the Egg Morph, it allowed Cameron to maybe go the route of a Queen like a Bee/Ant and Termite... but its also good to mention Ridley referred to the Organism as having Insect Qualities to it but also Serpent too over the years both prior to Aliens and after.

the egg morphing theory is so much more fun for the cycle, ..and terrifying. I appreciate the queen, but thats James Cameron's and Stan Winston's idea. I'd like to see what Ridley Scott has always imagined.. the egg morphing is something we haven't really explored...my brain is entertained at the notion, and can't wait to see what is the hard R ratings' purpose

The Larger Egg Morph Scene, and Aliens then left it open for us to think of theory to connect the two in which as Gavin said logically maybe the Egg Morph is a way to the Queen.

For a Organism who is supposed to be a Perfect Organism, then having a Perfect method to Procreate is a must.

If Ripley had been killed before she got to Dallas and Brett what would we have seen?

1) A pair Egg Morphs that shrink? or even if they dont, they lead to two more Face Huggers which would require unsuspecting victims to come across those Egg Morphs?

Thus would give us 2X new Xenos, and the Original provided it survives by the time the Eggs are discovered by a unsuspecting Host/'s

2) One Egg Morph, and One Host for the Face Huger to then make another Xenomorph, which then as above would lead us this time with Two Xenomorphs on that ship waiting for unsuspecting hosts to come aboard the ship.... this method we have 2X Xenos and not a Xeno and 2 Eggs and so having 2X Xenos to Egg Morph Hosts.

These are the Two Logical situations to that situation of the Egg Morph Scene...

Is this Perfect? Nope its flawed and we have to ask why not do the same with Lambert and Parker to then have either 4X Eggs, or 2X Eggs and 2X Hosts for 2X Xenos?

These Two options now get around that and offer a more logical answer as far as perfect procreation.

a) The Egg Morphs, will produce not Face Hugers but a Related Xeno Hybrid or even a fully grown Xenomorph.

This is why the Egg Morph seemed larger than the Eggs on the Derelict.

b) The Egg Morphs give way to either a Queen Face Huger or even a Queen itself, the Queen Face Huger would explain why maybe Dallas could be used as a host.

Now a Queen could then lay as many Eggs as she wanted on that ship.

From what we seem to know about Covenant up to know, is that ‘Paradise’ was a possible title. There also needs to be some way of creating new alien life forms that leads to the Xeno. This got me thinking about the Garden of Eden, and from the biblical creation story, the Garden needed to be populated with lifeforms. So here is an idea. What if the Covenant is a bit like Noah’s Ark. What if David has convinced those back on Earth that he has found a paradise. This might bring about the Covenant having a cargo of different animal species with them. These could then be the basis of providing fresh specimens for David to infect with the Goo. Who knows what would come out of this?  But it would certainly open up a chicken / egg debate for the origin of life and the xeno lifecycle. This could help explain how the egg morphing and the queen come about.

@Batchpool heavy stuff!

As i think someone touched upon, if we take certain insects that have a multiple stage life cycle which includes Butterflies and Flies etc...

The Larvae Stage Cocoons itself into a Pupa, and then it produces Enzymes that break down and reuse Genetic Material from the Larvae to rebuild and reprogram its Genetic Code to Build something different.

Now from a Sci-Fi Scientific point of view what if you could harness those Enzymes that allow this change, the breaking down of DNA to then reconstruct it.

Utilizing such Enzymes could maybe give you a tool to do similar and maybe this could be a logical use of the Xeno Eggs to give Origin to the Goo.

This could fit and work, but i think there is a different origin for the Goo, but who knows hopefully we can find out how this stuff was obtained.

As far as the Egg Morph or by introducing something similar i.e the Organism evolves Organisms some way, or show how the Goo Evolves Organisms to become Eggs or similar. I think they could cover something like this... But would it be a way to explain the Goo i just dont know but i think a Egg Morph or Evolving a Host into something new could be something explored in the next movie.

Batchpool thats interesting idea..... we have to logically think about the Covenant as far as a Colony ship... If in real life we detected say within 100LY a World that was pretty much similar to Earth, if we knew it was primordial and did not have much life...  Then eventually assuming we can reach this would, we would not only go out to set up a Colony but also if the World can support Life without Tera forming, so was just as when Ancient Explorers set sail to New Continents.

Then yes it would be right to assume we would bring other forms of life with us to populate as a Earth MK2 especially if its to safeguard a Earth that is dying at some point in the future.

Will we see this? Who knows, i would assume until a Exploration ship has been on the Planet to study its potential for supporting life then checking out what life the world already has and what kind of a threat they could be.... i.e  anyone landing on LV-223 after Prometheus would in effect come across Space Cobras now instead of Worms... which we cant assume are safe to pet hey Milburn? ;)

Another thing however is yet while they would in real life, want to survey the world before we start to ship Humans in mass and other Organisms from Earth.... we would if we was being realistic... take a selection of Animals anyway..

To use as Guinea Pigs as while the planet may seem Earth like, you would want to not be taking your Space Suits off, and allow other animals brought along to be allowed on the surface and study the exposure to those for Months first.

But alas we cant have that as a Plot, we need to ignore a few things like that in order to drive along the plot.

The Concept of how brutal the process to Egg Morph a Host is compared to that of just simply a Queen laying eggs has always made me feel conflicted. The BroodHiveMother as Her own separate Organism is fascinating & fantastic all on it's own. Of course there HAS to be some recurring "central to the HIVE" Figurehead every so often when the Demi"God"+ Races were off doing whatever is above Human Understanding. 

However, the fact remains that  the MORB is psychologically "sadistic" in it's way it messes with it's prey before it's curtains for the Crew. This makes me on the side of the EggMorph being wayyy more of a TrueAttribute for the Xeno121 compared to having a Queen to have to take orders from. The BigChap literally didn't give a single shit how it messed with the doomed NostroCrew. With no "higher intelligence" to answer to the BigChap could run amok unchecked. Attributing to the BioMorph that lurks inside every TFW; the heightened sense of natural intelligence would procure the idea to Propogate fellow running mates. 

Enter Dallas & Brett & their horrifying yet AweInspiring "deleted" scene. With fresh & mostly fresh DNA to mix with the BioAccelerant lurking within an adult Xeno & at having the cost of fatigue; two potential Spores would be procurred if left alone. 

This type of imagery, perplexity, & intensity of all things considered makes me personally believe that not only should it be brought out in some enduring way in A:C but that it has as much impact & holytolitoeggman it does to this day ^_^

I will add and again while we cant take it as Fact/Truth the source did say that while Fire and Stone is not to be considered Canon, the events in that Comic are shown as events that could happen... and that some themes/elements could be explored in the next movie.

And so yes seeing what a Lush World would become if its exposed to the Black Goo from LV-223 and what happen to any indigenous life on such a World would be interesting.... i.e Fire and Stone we saw a number of Hyrbid Creatures such as Ants, Sharks, Monkey Creatures that could and are most likely evolved from the Black Goo.

A big Flaw with Fire and Stone is that LV-223 and near the Temple/Crashed Juggernaught we did not see any native indigenous organisms apart from the worms... and so we never saw no Vast Lakes, or Large Cattle Sized Lifeforms....  But then maybe we never explored much of LV-223 in Prometheus.

Well while LV-223 seemed to baron to have such things, Paradise is  completely different.  Such a World is bound to have life... even if it does not have advanced life.

Another thing the source was saying is that things are loosely based on the Bible, and Paradise Lost but not to be taken as too literal as far as to assume the events are connected to being what happened to Mankind.

And also as far as to assume Heaven, Earth, Paradise the Garden of Eden and Hell are all literally connected as in the Bible and Paradise Lost... and going with what they said before as we are not seeing literally a God, his Angels in the skies above (Heaven) and Creation of Mankind on Earth..... they said that the Scope is larger, and by that even more than Galactic... i.e further than our Galaxy... 

So i think that means we are not looking at the story of Earth, with Heaven and God and Angels above and Hell and Fallen below thats the center of the universe with stars and planets and sun going around the Earth.

Nope.... Earth is a tiny dot in our Galaxy and Prometheus hinting at the Engineers as seeding many worlds in the Galaxy, well the source claims its bigger than that.

so i think there point is that in context of the Franchise Hell is not on Earth, Paradise is not on Earth and thus the Garden of Eden is not on Earth.... we had our World as this.

Heaven =>Earth=>Paradise=>Garden of Eden.

Well Paradise in the Franchise is not on Earth as its in the Bible and Paradise Lost, and so we cant assume Hell and the Garden of Eden are on Earth as far as the not literal interpretation that the Prometheus/Alien Prequel Franchise is showing us.

For all we know, LV-223/426 could be the Garden of Eden? or Hell.

In Prometheus tiny worms became hammerpedes in a matter of hours.  In Fire & Stone, they've had 130 years.

Indeed i can see the point that how fast stuff evolved from the Goo, that over 125 years since the spillage/activation of the Goo on LV-223 at the end of 2093 could have evolved stuff more.

But seeing how the franchise and comics showed how the Goo worked, we had normal Ants ish and what seemed to be black Goo Ants...

And so its where did the Ants come from and if they evolved from the Goo, then how did the other different ones come to be infected differently?

But then the comic is showing us that the Goo Spillage had changed a baron world into a more alive with vegetation and life one.

Maybe the Goo infected Plant Material from the Lifeboat? 

Or maybe the crashed  Colony ship from LV-426 could have came across some Goo latter?

But i think they are trying to show that the Goo can create all Life from itself, the sacrificial scene implied this and Weyland Goo Files.

But that World at the start of Prometheus did already have Vegetation, which meant it had basic life already on it.  But we dont know how many times the Sacrificial method was used over and over to obtain the desired results.

One thing we cant rule out is that the Colony Ship

Really love the idea that the eggs aboard the derelict are the covenant crew. But I also like the idea that it was docked to a subterranean chamber. I like a lot of ideas.

I wonder if the sacrifice is not only to influence the action of the Liquid with specific DNA, but and/or to prevent it from spawning more horrific forms?

I'm not a big fan of the Dark Horse comics, but I do wonder if some of what they showed us is legit. Example: all the life forms they encountered were MORB analogs of terrestrial forms, with the exception of the MORBS themselves. Is it possible there is a default set of recurring life forms?

I sure hope not. You see, this is one of the reasons why I didn't like Fire and Stone. Very limited in vision.

i read that the Egg Morph scene was deleted for several reasons: 

Pacing

Too over the top

Ridley and Giger weren't happy with the set. 

Giger had expressed that he wished he had had more time to work on it, and you can see why. It's really plasticky.

With respect to the egg parts being so big, they had to be to (efficiently) contain the actors. It would have been preferable and more horrific if they were being visibly reduced, but my impression is they had little time to realize the vision. 

The thing is, we're definitely putting more thought into all this than they did at the time. I doubt anyone forsaw that this would go on for 30+ years!