THE MURAL ROOM

I always assumed that there was black goo in the cup combined with some other element. But there's NO black goo in the cup what-so-ever is there?

Therefor, whatever is in this cup that the elder consumes, turns his blood into black goo. Right? 

yeah but the black substance in the urns look EXACTLY like engineer blood.

Wait a minute. After all these years of people saying that the elder in the opening scene drinks BLACK GOO which breaks down his DNA. I've only just realised that they and myself were mistaken with what they saw!

That sacrificial cup does not appear to contain black goo. Whatever it is that the elder consumes, it turns his blood/DNA black.

Therefor, whatever is in the urns (Giger Alien DNA?) has consumed the same substance that the elder in the opening scene consumed.

Jesus! I can't believe after all this time that I didn't see that!

Remember.... the source said its like MATRIX

There is NO CUP lol

To be honest not really but it does seem some of the Goo does go a bit black but its hard to tell, i will watch the movie again after....

@T_C; The stuff in the urns is either Alien/Morb DNA or/and Engineer DNA!

"Jesus! I can't believe after all this time that I didn't see that!"

LOL or you never read my Theory posted many years ago and over and over since lol

Yeah theory i had was that these Engineers came across something, or was punished by it...  The result of which produced a Chest Buster Event that maybe gave these Engineers a way to Carry a Child so to speak? or some other reason..

But basically the result these Engineers where very intriged by and they continued to Re-Engineer and Experiment in this until they achieved the Deacon in the Mural

They then saw this result as Perfect, and that its this Organisms DNA that is greater than their own DNA and these Engineers Worshiped this....

They then using the Sacrificial Goo,  Sacrificed a Deacon to make the Goo in the Urns (substance inside the Glass Vials)

Imagine if the Engineer drank the Goo while he was inside a massive tank maybe with a bit of water inside, what happens to his broken down material with no other DNA to infect (this assumes Sacrificial Scene was his DNA evolving basic life on Earth)

Then this material is collected into Jars... then the contents of these Jars poured into the Waterfall... would the end result not be the same?

And so i think they Sacrificed the Deacon so they can then use its more PERFECT DNA rather than their own on Earth and other worlds...

sometimes to create one must first destroy..

Thats my main theory.... but i am not sure now... the Source has information that points to this in one way.. but also goes against it in others.

To me its a theory that made sense... but its it the correct theory? or was it?

Who knows..

@BigDave; Haha, I get all that. And I always take great interest in your posts! I've always thought that the black stuff in  the urns was the DNA of the Giger Alien.

However, I've always been confused (probably due to my colour blindness) regarding the sacrificial substance from the opening scene.

A lot of people have assumed that the elder drinks black goo which contains some other element. But in actual fact, the black that they see is the black of the inside of the cup itself. There is no black goo in that cup.

Due to all the comments from these people and the fact that I thought maybe I missed that because I'm color blind, I just accepted it.

Now I see it in a completely different light and it now makes ALOT more sense to me.

The black stuff is the product of DNA that has been broken down by whatever is in the sacrificial cup.

The contents of the cup turn the elders blood into the black stuff which then (once his body has broken down) infects and mutates the basic microorganisms in the sea.

The Aliens sacrificial pose in the mural and the fact that the sacrificial cup was infront of it on the alter suggests that it had been sacrificed in a similar way to the elder, via the metallic seeds in the cup which then turned its DNA into the black stuff.

Then we have the giant head statue. Maybe his DNA is in there also? 

but guys i don't think it's the dna of the xeno the xeno has acid for blood, not black like the engineers.....i really do just think that the blood of the engineers is just extremely potent in environments that are 'alien' to them so to speak. how can we be sure that the urns are not just engineer blood?

another reason why i keep banging on about the engineer blood in the urns is because holloway says 'this is just another tomb'

"5) The source said the Goo was Originally a Parasite, but  then they have evolved it further to be the source of EVERYTHING as far as Creation."

So to try and work out exactly whats going on is hard.

yes but why would they want to create in the first place is my question. and i don't think it's simply 'because they can' because if that was the case, then why would the last engineer be so enraged by the existence of david?

"That sacrificial cup does not appear to contain black goo. Whatever it is that the elder consumes, it turns his blood/DNA black."

but does it though? because in every scene in the movie whenever the engineer bleeds, it bleeds black. the cup just makes him die painfully. perhaps it adds something to the engineer's inherent;y black blood. so the question then is this. what is in that damn cup lol

@BD and Thread starter and N4

Even in my short time on the site we have had some exceptionally detailed discussions about the headroom. My views are based on Ridleys amazing use of visuals to tell a story and Lindelof's commentary and earlier conversations with BD which helped me focus.

The headroom is like an ancient Egyptian Tomb once you let the current atmospherics in, including mankind's oxygenating, the ancient artefacts begin to break down. Its the equivalent of the Sistine Chapel (Lindelof commentary).

The Black Goo in the vials is a mutagen which contains a Zeno strain (Lindelof commentary).

The Deacon in a sacrificial pose has been sacrificed, like the Engineer at the beginning, to create the Black Goo which is left in homage to their deity - the image of which is the head. The creation of the deacon was established through the experiments explained on the reliefs. This was made clear when the cup was placed on the alter which echoes the Christian ritual of Communion just as Shaw giving birth miraculously on Christmas day is riffing the birth of christ and the annunciation by David/Gabriel.

My only concern/uncertainty is the Engineers who were suited up for departure dashed into the headroom. Did they go in there to finish off their experiments and lock themselves in once the mutagen got out, sacrificing themselves in lifecycle experiments and eventually one came away several hundred years later with the Juggernaut loaded with Eggs and in an act of redemption land on LV426 and before his death set off the Beacon ?

Charlie calls the Headroom a tomb did they lock themselves in and die in their that is the implication. That dialogue in Spaihts draft occurred outside as he looked on the heaps of Engineer bodies and suggests the surviving pilots ultimate destination was to die in the headroom with examples of their experiments.   

@ BD you have mentioned release from bondage before this is a terms used by Tolkien for his first age mythology. My take on this is the Engineers as the appointed seeding gardeners rebelled against their role as sacrificial gardeners and attempted to create life through a life cycle which did not require them the steeling of the fire (Prometheus Myth). The creator/creation cycle, this attempt to sub create out of the original plan represented a release from bondage but a fall which lead to terrible retribution on them. Shaw and David have seen how this sub created activity wrecked havoc on LV223 and when they come to Paradise bringing hell they may either witness further evidence or be the catalyst for a further catastrophe hints of which have been seen. For David, the sub created, to carry on in the tradition of the fallen Engineers represents a continuance of the release from bondage for David which began with Weyland's death."Don;t we all want our parents dead"   

So Yes the Engineers would see the sub created lifecycle as a release from their responcibilities which they came to view as bondage. Again there are echoes of Tolkien's 2nd age history in this where advanced mankind goes up against the gods and is destroyed when trying to break the rules of Eru.

Finally the sacrificial scene at the beginning is so powerful and clearly explained by Ridley and Daniel as a catalytic seeding it is intended with the teardrop shop to suggest an all powerful benevolence before the fall and the ingested material does not include the stolen strain otherwise instead of seeding planets with life and mankind it would generate Zenomorph culture. The Zeno strain derives from the Promethean Myth which has lead to Paradise Lost which our noodle loving Covenanter's will discover the delights of.         

michelle, great post. a few questions:

"nce you let the current atmospherics in, including mankind's oxygenating, the ancient artefacts begin to break down."

shaw doesn't say they break down in the movie. she says that murals are 'changing'. i think the mural room might be a lot more complex than we think. by 'changing' i think she might mean that the course of events and time/fate/destiny whatever are being altered. with her comment i take the mural room to being both tomb and oracle. i could well be wrong about this though, but it's just an idea.

"My only concern/uncertainty is the Engineers who were suited up for departure dashed into the headroom. Did they go in there to finish off their experiments and lock themselves in once the mutagen got out, sacrificing themselves in lifecycle experiments and eventually one came away several hundred years later with the Juggernaut loaded with Eggs and in an act of redemption land on LV426 and before his death set off the Beacon ?"

i didn't see any other dead bodies in the mural room. there were other ships like david said. how do we know the other ships didn't have other pilots in stasis in them? how do we know that that isn't direct;y related to shaws fate in the second movie if the other engineers are in other ships?

"Charlie calls the Headroom a tomb did they lock themselves in and die in their that is the implication. That dialogue in Spaihts draft occurred outside as he looked on the heaps of Engineer bodies and suggests the surviving pilots ultimate destination was to die in the headroom with examples of their experiments."

again why no corpses in the headroom if that was the case?

@T_C. I can't remember seeing the engineer (Bob) bleed black blood.

I can remember seeing a black substance coming out of the decapitated head when Shaw and Ford re-animate it. But, I just assumed that that's because he's been infected?

I don't know. Maybe someone could clarify for us?

T_C

The murals change, the head on the pyramid is revealed and a storm comes in. I see these as connected, the installation and its core is in lock down with sophisticated defences to prevent the uninitiated from leaving. The kind of traps and defences that exist in sophisticated tomb systems or relic treasuries is what is going on here. But the basic principle is the controlled atmosphere is compromised. It is not merely mummies responding to outside atmosphere and decomposing I agree.

The escaping pilots. In the original drafts David sees Engineer holograms which cover vast amounts of time and then they are speeded up with the reveal of the panicked Pilots. If this idea had been pursued the sense that LV223 and its decline occurred over a substantial period would play into the idea that the pilots dashing into the headroom was only part of the timeline. If they then, hidden away for years, worked on their experiments which involved them in the life cycle there would be no tombs just clearing up of shattered bodies. Either way sooner or later some must have escaped your right there are no whole dead bodies, and that gives us the clue as to how the derelict ended up with a cargo of eggs on LV426. The headroom is a place of reverence and has a temple like quality reinforced by its ability to neutralise the effect of the Black Goo. I would imagine the surviving Engineers would leave with it in a pristine condition and all the traps set. Leaving the sacrificial cup on the alter would have increased the sense of the earlier drafts that it was also used as a laboratory where the experiments of the lifecycle would have taken place. The Engineers worshiped and defied materialist achievement rather than a philosophical moral "god". This to me is at the heart of Ridley's vision creation is a mechanistic achievement the myth is a hard-nosed terrifyingly objective reality rather than the result of an ephemeral deity. This is what makes Paradise ultimately potentially terrifying and Shaws reaction is going to be fascinating to finding this is a hierarchy of function (Because you can) rather than pure spirit.              

I think A C will give us more on the ritual of the headroom because excitingly we know there will be further examples of the same iconography.  

Your point about the Juggernaut that David and Shaw left in had a crew is perfectly possible. But the dialogue at the end of Prometheus doesn't work thorough Shaw's concern as to their being further Engineers and indeed if there were her questions could again be pursued by waking one up. I think the arc of the story is more elegant with merely David and Elizabeth and the chest busted Engineer as the "Last Engineer" on LV223.   

"The Engineers worshiped and defied materialist achievement rather than a philosophical moral "god". This to me is at the heart of Ridley's vision creation is a mechanistic achievement the myth is a hard-nosed terrifyingly objective reality rather than the result of an ephemeral deity."

that may well be ridley's intention but if it is then don't you feel that he's somewhat contradicted himself by having the engineer decapitate david and strike weyland dead? because if it is just a 'mechanistic achievement' then david would be worshipped and accepted. also, why would holloway's monologue about the creation of life being 'no big deal' or words to that effect be delivered with such implications of gross naivety, or even negligence?

"Your point about the Juggernaut that David and Shaw left in had a crew is perfectly possible. But the dialogue at the end of Prometheus doesn't work thorough Shaw's concern as to their being further Engineers and indeed if there were her questions could again be pursued by waking one up. I think the arc of the story is more elegant with merely David and Elizabeth and the chest busted Engineer as the "Last Engineer" on LV223."

shaw is very naive and trusting. she may feel she's learnt her lesson but i'm guessing that according to her character, she didn't even stop to consider the fact that there may be other pilots in the ships(and remember she wanted to go into the temple and caves without any weaponry).  if there are, then it could well be that the engineer is automatically woken up upon initiation of the ship's take off systems. i think shaw in many ways represents every man and woman in terms of their hopes for meaning to their existence and a happy ending - convinced of a happy ending even but being perhaps too gung ho along the way without considering the minute details and traps along the way - that is why i feel they may have left out other engineer pilots in the dialogue at the end.

@necronom:

when the engineer sacrifices himself, he bleeds black into the water. the head that explodes also bleeds black prior to explosion. also when the engineer is shot he bleeds black.

"but guys i don't think it's the dna of the xeno the xeno has acid for blood,"

Indeed the Sacrificial Scene leads to Mankind, well it can do and we dont have Acid Blood.... this is because the Sacrificial Substance is not the same as the Urns.

The Urns contain the results of the Sacrificial Substance, only it has Xeno DNA which means something related to the xeno was Sacrificed to make the stuff in those Urns and my bet is due to the Mural that its the Deacon in the Mural that was Sacrificed.

Thus the Urns contain Deacon DNA, now Shaw was infected and it infected her Eggs which would develop into a 1st Stage embryo and now the first stage Embryo of most Fish/Reptile/Bird and Mammal all look the same.

Its a blank Genetic Canvas with less DNA to mutate and thus we get more Xeno DNA related Outcome... the Trillobite which is a Face Huger Hybrid which infects the Engineer to make a Human/Deacon Hyrbid

The Sacrificial Substance appears a Metallic kind of Liquid in a Solid State that changes to liquid and beneath the top layer we see its had cavities like bubbles and these have a metallic mix of colors but when they dissolve they do appear to be going BLACK

The after effect when we see the Black Substance affecting the Engineers DNA and then the Black Broken down pieces of Genetic Material that float in the water.. appear very similar to the Black Compound within the Glass Vials inside the Urns.

"holloway says 'this is just another tomb'"

This is a assumption by Holoway but we need to understand the purpose was that dialect is to provide the clues that we are not given visually.... so they are not intended to be just each crews own assumptions, they are supposed to be clues to suggest their assumptions are accurate.

Shaws (Outbreak she has seen before) Ebola? relating to Black Goo infection.

Janeks (tale of the Laboratory he had to destroy because some scientists spilled something) and also how this place is a Chemical Weapons Facility

These are all clues that are to show us what is going on.

As far as Holloways another Tomb, it would be logical to think it lead to another place similar to the Mural room they are in.

The design and Map of the Cave/Temple is that there is 2-4 such Big Head Rooms in there and maybe each room has a slightly different Genetic Experiment?

We cant be sure... also how do we know this place was always a Weapons Facility?   Why the Star Map?  the Fire and Stone Comics did have to discus elements with Ridley and Fox and they depicted a 4 Armed Alien Race Hunted by the Predator who also had Cave Paintings of Giant Being pointing to the same system.

Ridley had said about the Sacrificial Scene did not have to be earth and indeed it could be anywhere and that Earth may not be the only place they seed Life.

So Each Big Head Room in Each Temple.. which by the concept work and maps would mean 4-5 Temple Mounds each with 2-4 Big Head Rooms...

Could be each Room was dedicated to a certain Life form they had created... you know one could be Humans, other for Klingons lol other for Vulcans lol

But you get the idea... and maybe at some point these Temples where changed to Weapons Facilities..

This is just a theory... but the source clues seem to maybe point to this place could have been Garden of Eden maybe? or at least it could be a place where First Man was created?

I think it was a outpost they would go to Earth and bring back Life, and further Evolve it and test and then seed it back down to Earth.... a Nursery/Greenhouse and Earth was the Garden.

" i don't think it's simply 'because they can' "

This is a subject i was going to bring up on a number of topics...

Yes they could.... Holloway also suggested that we created David because we could... David said how would Holloway feel if his creators said the same thing.

Weyland did Create David because he could... Weyland wanted to show how great his knowledge was, if he could create a Humanoid Android so Advanced you could not tell it apart from a Human then Weyland would have proved his greatness as a pioneer a master of technology and ultimately like God....

He created David because he could, but also to show off why he could, because he had achieved such greatness.

But then why else was David created? to purely be Weylands Showpiece... to be Weylands Son so Weyland is not alone... and has a Legacy

All these apply to David... but then also David was used as a means to not only be companionship, but also to perform tasks that otherwise a Human would have to do, Androids can perform tasks to save mankind having to do them.

Be it Military so we dont lose Humans to battle, be is as Service Androids to clean, cook and take care of their owners...

They can even replace us in doing any kind of Work, not only Work that is difficult or stressful but any kind of work includes Manufacturing.

The Androids are therefore used at the end of the day to perform tasks that Mankind can to a better degree so that WE do not have to....

We see this in the Sumerian mythos too,  The Annunaki created Mankind to bear the Toil and Work the Mines after the lesser Gods Igigi had rebelled and no longer wanted to perform that task.

We have to ask, if the Igigi still performed the tasks for their Hierarchy would the Annunaki Gods had needed to create Mankind?

The Biblical Account varies some instants Mankind was created prior to the Fall of Satan... others it hints at after... which is the most common theme..

If we go with that, God had his Angels who served him, worshiped him and maybe offered him companionship... these Angels would perform what ever Tasks God would wish.

After the Fall and Rebellion by Satan who was gifted more freewill and saw himself as not needing to serve God, saw himself as equal to God and maybe superior because he was created Perfect...

Satan was able to corrupt and persuade a Third of the Angels to join him.... this proved Gods creation the Angels could be corrupted due to knowledge and freewill to not see God as a figure to worship and obey.

So God created Man, a new Race to serve and worship God a Man who would devote himself to God...  God then created Woman to keep Man Company.

Satan however could tempt the Woman because she came from Man and not God,  Man only serve God his mind was obedient only to God.  Woman (Eve) was to serve God and also Man (Adam) this could cause conflict in that they do not serve 100% to one being but TWO..

This allowed Satan to tempt Eve to Eat from the Forbidden Fruit that gave her knowledge...  Adam then ate from this because he could not bare to see Eve die and leave Adam all alone again.

So again there was a purpose... we also have to note that Adam and Eve where tasked with Tending the Garden of Eden and looking after all the Plants and Animals... the work was easy the Garden Fruitful

After the Fall, they had every lasting life taken away, thrown out of the Garden and into a World where the Toil of the Land would be harder and harsh.

And so again there was a purpose.... its not only because THE GODS COULD!

And yes so in context to Prometheus there was a Reason Mankind was Created... and i hope we find out what this reason was.... but if the source is to be believed then this reason is part of some Horrific Agenda.

@ Michelle

Most of your comments could be very well whats going on and most are what i share too

"@T_C. I can't remember seeing the engineer (Bob) bleed black blood."

The Chest Wound is from the Gunshot....

The other wound is from the Deacon and both have a Dark if not Black Blood

@T_C

Shaw represents the faith based narrative which has come up against a creation myth devoid of sentiment or the concept of Love which is at the heart of Christian Faith "God Loves Us" indeed God is Love.

Charlie is another form of incautious naiveté. He is not god fearing and neither is he zealously a darwin materialist. He is basically a boy masquerading as a man  and is incapable of responding to the serious circumstances they find themselves in. I do not define him as articulating a response to the big idea just another strand of inappropriate behaviour.

Peter Weyland is invested in the Promethean Myth and is a central part of the morality tale. He as he shows in the Ted Talk is a megalomanic invested in his immortality. Everything else is expendable and he is actually jealous of his creation David. One of the reasons Prom missed with people is they did not realise the mission was his and had to much information by the time we find the old man being prepped after the C Section. 

The Engineer is initially impressed by the A I he is confronted by and touches David with a sense of wonder and appreciation. However when he realises the group are emissaries from the strain of mankind he had been sent to wipe out 2,000 years ago and who were on his doorstep and that David was the consequence of their sub creation he is horrified and what follows is a single minded determination to pursue the original mission to destroy mankind and start again but in a "better place" with their sub creation.

In Covenant David may or may not come into contact with live Engineers and will build on his experience in the Orrery Room but he will certainly come into contact with the legacy of Paradise Lost. The combination of awe filled power and his curiosity unburdened with a  moral compass may lead to an interesting answer or two.                   

@ BD multiple headrooms. That would be interesting to pursue perhaps mankind is one of many races created. The recipe for mankind is different than say the Romulan recipe or the Ferrengi. However once they did the "they are us we are them" it focuses the bigger audience on the singular relationship between the Engineers and ourselves. We are their plaything. The multi headrooms and broader mythology of the Engineers is the sort of material I believe belonged to Prometheus Paradise or as Ridders said "its all about everything".

Fox and Ridders I suspect will now make these pre equals more linear in response to the Prometheus reception and everyone getting excited about A. 5. So we will get more specific Zeno history and Ripley connections and less Engineer world building. BD This is something we have discussed at length what I call switching the telescope round the other way with the Zeno's at this end and the Engineers at the far end.  

""but guys i don't think it's the dna of the xeno the xeno has acid for blood,"

Indeed the Sacrificial Scene leads to Mankind, well it can do and we dont have Acid Blood.... this is because the Sacrificial Substance is not the same as the Urns."

and that's the point. if the black goo isn't used as sacrifice to create any type of life....then why are they sacrificing engineers in that way? they have received an order to do so.

"The Urns contain the results of the Sacrificial Substance, only it has Xeno DNA"

how do we know it has xeno dna and isn't just engineer blood? purely because it makes any lifeform that comes into contact with it violent and strong?

"Yes they could.... Holloway also suggested that we created David because we could... David said how would Holloway feel if his creators said the same thing."

precisely but david is screwing with him because i think he knows that is not the case. holloway is being emotionally manipulated by david there. again, the fact that man made david  just because they could i think is exactly why he was decapitated.

"All these apply to David... but then also David was used as a means to not only be companionship, but also to perform tasks that otherwise a Human would have to do, Androids can perform tasks to save mankind having to do them."

THIS here is the crux of it for me. david is the poetic showpiece of a species that refuses to acknowledge the massive problems it has when dealing with one another as individuals. david is the 'manifest destiny' of mankind so to speak. instead of mankind sorting out the slavery and bondage that still exists and working together,being merciful and functioning as spiritual entities, they made david to do all the things it doesn't want to. david is the representation of a race that has learned to love its' bondage and that is why he was destroyed. the issue here with david for me is that of cosmic politics, david is the pinnacle of capitalism and i don't think either God or the angels like that system very much. to put it this way, if you're one of the many people who are still living in slavery conditions building olympic stadiums in dubai, or a homeless man or woman in a freezing country does a God who creates a mechanism of physical death seem evil or loving and good to you? i mention that because ridley scott is very adamant in talking about an 'evil' God...but i dunno if he would feel that way if he had been on one of the slave ships or in any other dehumanising life situation that there was no escape from.

Agreed Michelle

Oh as far as the Engineer and David the deleted scenes seem to give more depth but we are now having to accept the Engineers here had no Good Intentions for Mankind.

But i think the Original idea was that he was quite intrigged especially with Shaw, but then he sees that Weyland is the one in charge calling the shots, where only his Agenda matters and he even orders Shaw to be silenced.... so he sees from this that Mankind is Selfish and the he gets to listen to Weylands Agenda which is more life for this Megalomaniac who sees himself as a God because of his creation of David

The Engineer then senses David is not flesh and blood, and realizes that Mankind has Evolved to be able to reach the Stars, and find LV-223 and Mankind has created life in its own image.

This life they have created, can comunicate with the Engineers and use their Technology and is more Advanced than its creators.

Then he also notices that Mankind are still a selfish race who know are at the Gates of the complex these Engineers have created some Horrid Experiments, with Weylands Agenda understood and David as a Tool who can use and unlock all the Engineer Secrets..

The Engineer had no choice but to rip Davids head off and then wipe out Mankind, because Mankind and their Synthetic Creations can not be allowed to come to this place (LV-223) obtain and use all the Technology and Biology and then be able to use it across the Galaxy.

This would make Mankind a serious threat, and we would be on level footing with the Gods.

If we look at it even in the simple way, The Engineer sees Mankind has created Life who could pose a threat to Mankind and the Engineers.

The Synthetic David created my Mankind for a purpose, but is a creation who ultimately could overthrow his creators and so the Engineer sees the threat that such a creation David could pose as he can use the Engineers Tech.

The Engineer saw before him a repeat of maybe the Engineers themselves, who are created by their creators and ended up maybe using their creators Knowledge and Tech to overthrow them....

The Engineer could see the same thing potentially happening here unless he put a stop to it

"then why are they sacrificing engineers in that way?"

This is a bit ambiguous, but it maybe seems the way they decide to do it, the result would start evolution of many lifeforms but it seems the process to Mankind is a long one with many more upgrades... surely if the purpose was to create Humanoid in their image then there would be easier method? or more straight forwards?

Ridley said that the Sacrifical Scene was not the only way they could do it, its just the way they choose to do it.

And it would be like how Ancient Tribes would select a Sacrificial Participant and this person would be treated as a Prince/King for a year and then they are tossed into the Volcano so that the Tribe may have a better Harvest the Next year.

The one extended Sacrifice Scene did translate to suggest the Elder said "let your blood become the waters" etc etc and "your soul a way back for us"

so combining the both, the Engineers just do it this way for some purpose that has long term greater good for their species.

"how do we know it has xeno dna and isn't just engineer blood? purely because it makes any lifeform that comes into contact with it violent and strong?"

This is what the Weyland File tried to show us, but it contadicts what we see and what the original plan was.

We have to ask how really did the Engineer get his faceburn.... watch the scene and extended one, frame by frame... you will see for the most part his burn is not there and then is then its not..

The whole scene was cut and edited and parts left out, it would seem maybe the Plan was the Engineer with no Face Burn gets into the Struggle with the Trilobite and when he is about to loose, he bites the Trilobite as a last resort, the section you can see him as if he is about to do this..

This is where i think the Acid Burn comes from...

If we look at the alternative Fifields and the Plans that never came off, we again see more Xeno DNA... the Mural is big clue too.

The Sacrificial Substance, breaks down a Organisms DNA to produce a New Substance, that then mutates and evolves Organisms it comes into contact with and evolves its natural traits while adding traits of the Organism that this new substance came from (the Sacrificial Organism).

The Urns contains the results of a Sacrificial Organism that is related to the Xeno in terms of DNA

I dont know if this is the plan now... but thats how it was prior to editing.... I suggest you read Spaights draft and pay attention to the Sacrifcial Scene (Scarabs) and Primate that infected.... and then the Urn/Fifield scene (Scarabs) and Xenofied Fifield.

Then replace Scarab with some kind of Mutagen Parasite and it makes perfect sense then.

"Peter Weyland is invested in the Promethean Myth and is a central part of the morality tale. He as he shows in the Ted Talk is a megalomanic invested in his immortality. Everything else is expendable and he is actually jealous of his creation David. One of the reasons Prom missed with people is they did not realise the mission was his and had to much information by the time we find the old man being prepped after the C Section. "

Peter Weyland is Daniel Plainview from There Will Be Blood in space. he is depicted in the stance of the tarot card of the fool at the start of the film why? what is the fool? the fool in the tarot represents everyone - have you ever spent ages looking for your keys even though they were in your pocket all along? that is the essence of the idea of the fool - it's important to keep that in mind. his entire mission is to defeat death because like most super-rich self obsessed corporatists, he does not understand why death would need to exist as a phenomenon. weyland sees nothing wrong with the world and mankind at all and is frustrated by the reality of death. just like the fool instead of looking at the obvious nature of why death would be a necessary mechanism for humanity to exist, he instead wants to try and beat it.

So either engineer blood is black or Bob had been infected which led to his blood turning black.

i'm calling it and saying engineer blood is black

"Charlie calls the Headroom a tomb did they lock themselves in and die in their that is the implication."

i took it as him saying that the urns were tombs.