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David is truly the alien.

Karstenphd

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What can you do David?
I can carry out directives that my human counterparts may find distressing or unethical, also he said I understand human emotions even though I don't feel them myself, and to Vickers, that being said doesn't everybody want their parents dead?
This always kind of chilled me and makes me think that David is even more alien then the engineers and aliens themselves who showed emotions bye smiling compassionately at David before ripping his head off and fighting emotions as Shaw was shouting at him for answers, maybe even shock and fear before attacking the Prometheus crew. They share our DNA and have music and sculptures.
The aliens just want to procreate, provide shelter, and do for their families like we do, and I definitely saw some emotion when the Queen's eggs were threatened she seem to be pissed, plus the way the three Aliens were going back and forth and I think the 4th alien movie before they kill one of their colleagues to escape captivity on the ship, it seemed to be some emotions were going back and forth. The newborn definitely showed emotion the way in which it interacted with rip Lee and had expressive eyes that we could read. I think that's what giving David a lot of human characteristic he does have those expressive eyes and facial expressions even as he says he cares nothing about you, but can make you feel more comfortable by imitating you. Those of us who think that David is going to save Shaw because they bonded on the trip and she saved his body or give revenge to man against the Engineers for hurting Shaw or Humanity, what makes you think that and what are your thoughts in general on David. I think he may well be the most alien component in the films.

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Phallic Jaw
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He's synthetic...so no.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.  I watched Androids blow and finger each other's flutes.

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I am gonna go out on a limb and say David is there to save the day or is in some secret orders from the company.

I assume that scene is where David finds out what the company wants. Something along, find immortality at all costs or to play god.

 

 

 

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Karstenphd
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I agree Phallic Jaw, and that's what I'm getting at, figuratively, not literally. Though I do believe and hope in some Gigerisque way the alien does have David give it some biomechanical influence,  and, all things considered, we really don't know what the black goo is capable of. Since the new AC 1 and 2 trailers, I'm beginning to think that his abilities of things are alien outside of even the Aliens nature. They might even be considered merciful or tame compared to him, I don't know which if any "synthetic persons" are capable of harming humans, I believe there was some kind of regulator or means to temper their AI prior to or maybe after some incident. 

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Thanks, Apex_Predator for your point of view. I'm being as open minded as possible it's just the distressing and unethical things he admits to being able to do, and being able to mimic perfectly what makes us comfortable, now that Weyland's gone is the company still controlling or has he gone to another level of being, like a rogue dang near infinitely brilliant scientist who looks at us like something on the scale of less than amoebas and was using Shaw, or is good ol' Dave a "love machine" here to save the day? I'm scared! I don't know if anyone empirically knows if that special order ash saw applies to David or Weyland had more to do with his creation and loyalties, crew expendable, not all of creation! 

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Interesting discussion. That makes me think about the Turing Test. Weyland says that "the only thing he [David] will never have: [is] a soul"... at the same time, in the TED talks viral video, Weyland says that "at this moment of our civilization, we can create cybernetic individuals, who in just a few short years will be completely indistinguishable from us." How far can AI simulate a human person? What means, after all, "not to have a soul", if you can perfectly imitate it?

Another intriguing question can be seen in this dialogue:

SHAW: What happens when Weyland is not around to program you anymore?

DAVID: I suppose I'll be free.

SHAW: You want that?

DAVID: "Want"? Not a concept I'm familiar with. That being said, doesn't everyone want their parents dead?

SHAW: I didn't.

So, David knows the concept of freedom (let's suppose that only theorically, by now), but don't know the concept of "wanting". So, he is saying he doesn't have personal purposes. But in the next sentence, he asks Shaw if "doesn't everyone WANT their parents dead?", and seems to be including himself in this group of "everyone". Is David actually impossible to wish things for himself? Or is he, in some way, able to understand and to want freedom, knowledge, and so on? That seems to be the point here - what is the limits of the Synthetic AI?

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Well, in Prometheus Comic Books, Elden, a "construct" (synthetic) becomes infected with the Black Goo and "Alien like", if you will. Not sure I buy it, but I suppose it is supposed to "work" in the Alien universe if we accept that the Comics are canon.

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Correct Starlogger,the Fire and Stone series is indeed canon

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

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Karstenphd
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Farlander, Starlogger, ninXeno, thanks for educating me. If I don't read too much  into it (riiiiight!) and take it at face value, David is saying once Weyland is gone, he is unbound by any program designed of man, and I see this as not who (a person, human) we created, but what (?) we created being able to blossom to its full intention, not necessarily man's intentions for it. It makes me think that Weyland had so much hubris that he thought he was not really going to die, wouldn't accept that fate, and kept hiding in stasis until he could expand his life, being solely responsible for Davids actions until his untimely death, where now an epiphany of an android kind takes place, because for some reason David did want his father dead, (good catch, Shaw didn't, that shows the disconnect) so he could be free. The question is the utterly alien part, free to do what? Looking at him walking around mass destruction and countless bodies, a planet devoid of even insects and birds just does not bode well with me.

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Just thought I'd pop these David images in here:



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auximenes

Nice LOL!

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Haha Auximenes!

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auximenes

That would be a perfect addition to the Silliness 2 thread. Please consider posting it there.

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Fantastic Auximenes!Where did you find those!

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

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OP- David is certainly alien to Paradise so he could be called "alien".

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I don't think David is really the bad guy but I do think with him being on the planet "learning" he has definitely evolved as far how things work and why we were made to be and is fascinated by it. He finds out that life is a constant evolution and he just wants to help it along faster.

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Funny guys, I'm still scairt, it's like David doesn't feign affection too much, he seems brutally honest with his dishonesty, (poisoning Holloway after Holloway gets drunk and implies he's willing to go to any means to find out more about the Goo etc. 

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@Karstenphd - If there's one emotion David conveys, its curiosity. Whether or not he understand its, he is very curious and that seems to be a running trend with all synthetics (oops, I mean "artificial person") in the franchise. They are stoic, stand-off-ish at times, and very blunt about situations, however they are easily intrigued by anything having to deal with the xeno.

Ash marveled at the alien's ability to be a perfect organism, and he and Bishop both seemed enthralled by the study of the dead facehuggers.

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Karstenphd
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@Hicks/Hudson your right, it seems obsessive the way that they focus on that Alien. I've heard a lot of theories from because they're programmed that way to time travel and the head statues being David's image and the Engineer recognizing him before ripping his head off. Never in a hundred years saw an "artificial person" being so integral and being close to, at the same level or discussed more than the Aliens themselves and Engineers. Can't wait to see how this unfolds! IMAX 3 D!!!    

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https://youtu.be/qgJs7uluwlU

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Emotional. Right.

 

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