Paradise Biology (spoilers)

This is a bit spoilery imho. I both enjoy and respect your work but could you give a WARNO of new footage post April 1st? Not trying to be a dick but maybe that is how I appear. I will try to be more careful in the future.

Excellent pictures Ingeniero!I indeed did notice the blood,already got that picture saved to my phone 

it's gonna be SO hard to wait for the Movie :)

Not so spoilery, as they are seen in the trailers and TV spots released thus far, so I'd say your safe.
That first critter, the Blank Face, is STRAIGHT out of a Nightmare!

I don't have cable and don't frequent theaters. I will go sulk in a corner.

dk

Sorry to hear that,I was thinking you were enjoying the newly aired TV spots along with us all.

I watched them on YouTube 

ninXeno426, thank you for the compliment.

Ingeniero, you seem to know your stuff, do you think the comiccon footage is real or red herring based on what they have seen discussed on forums like this?

One thing bout the protomorph is interesting. The gap between the eye sockets. Considering previous designs one would expect a nose hole underneath the carapace. Makes me wonder if it is a design decision or is there more to it?

The Protomorph we see in the new trailer may be from the described footage seen at Comic Con.  Viewers said some turned into viscious creatures.  We all know the Prometheus trailer was cut up like crazy and I think they are doing it with Covenant as well. 

Ingeniero!

Beautiful capture! I have been watching the new short trailers many times today and I've tried to get images like that, but have not succeeded. Well done! What do You think about the big chap with the bloody snout? Is that a biomechanical xeno? I do not believe that it is the Protomorph that tries to headbutt his way into the ship. Why? Silvery teeth. The ridges on the shoulders. They're different. The transparent dome.  Any ideas?

@Tiwaz

If You look closely at the trailer I think that You actually can see a nasal cavity under the dome. Is'nt that just a beautiful  beast, or what?

Babylonxeno, thank you for saying that but some of it is a head scratcher. Davefried81, yes, I keep thinking of the Prometheus trailers that I watched a thousand times.

I'm still convinced that Ridley Scott filmed both Alien: Covenant and Alien: Awakening last year. I also expect Alien: Covenant to be similar to Prometheus in regards to seeing concepts that will be explained later (David 8's head reattached) in Alien: Awakening.

Taking that into account, most likely whatever was shown in Las Vegas were segments from the whole movie out of order and edited to confuse. I still do not think Dr. Shaw is in Alien: Covenant and she will only be in Alien: Awakening. 

Ingeniero this is a very good point.  Do you really think he shot Awakening as well already? That is mega-  The protomorph we see in the new trailer behind the female character may be cut up too.  maybe she turns around and there isnt even a Xeno, perhaps a person lol.  We shall never know for another 56 days.  

Yes there's a nose cavity (green) but also the gap (red) between the eye sockets (yellow).

Blimey, now it looks like a Picasso. XD

@Davefried

Im still a bit sketchy on the goo that David, according to some reports, drops on the engineers. For one the report from CinemaCon is quoted by Playlist as follows:

“The sneak began with the spacecraft from the last film arriving at the Engineers’ home world. Surprised, startled or curious about this ship’s arrival, hundreds of Engineers have gathered in what looks like a Roman or Greek coliseum for the ship to dock. As the Engineers look on, the base of the ship opens and we find David walking on a deck. He looks ragged, but fully operational in a complete body. Then, as the Engineer population looks on, a mass of black bombs fall from David’s ship. The crowd panics and tries to escape the arena, but the bombs quickly explode and douse them with a black ooze that is sickeningly familiar. The Engineers are quickly transformed into hundreds (or would that be thousands?) of alien creatures as David watches from above satisfied with his…revenge?"

I have a few issues with this, for one the beings that are petrified do not resemble creatures or at least the ones seen in the most recent tv spots nor do the ones seen in the pre-production set photos.

If David can walk on a platform below the ship and drop black goo bombs on the city while not actually at the controls and its just hovering, id say he is very skilled in piloting this vessel, so why did it crash or why is it found crashed??

Why would the go petrify people, it can mutate and break down organic life, having it also petrify seems as lazy screen writing to me....it also seems equally lazy that all the humanoids were in this tidy little courtyard to be petrified and none were anywhere else

If it did mutate all of the beings into creatures then why did the bulk of them remain in this courtyard seen in the trailer and now in the tv spots

Also if it only mutated some into creatures and not the bulk then why did they all remain in this courtyard? Also if it only mutated some and not all into creatures then why does every life form that are clearly not mutated creatures appear to be petrified in dramatic running/crawling/walking poses? and not torn apart carcasses having been attacked by creatures?

Just using some general logic and it is either lazy screen writing or we have been misled to a degree or  there is something we dont know or have been shown, perhaps the CinemaCon footage was cut together to appear one way but it was actually something else

...at any rate the beings all being transformed by goo into creatures doesnt add up, if you read through my questions above a little ..

it just doesnt add up to me at least, id love to hear other opinions on my questionable items.

Yeah!! That's really a piece of art, Tiwaz! What do You think about this creature? Xeno or Proto? I tried to start a topic on this earlier today, but my phone went haywire and I had to restart it...

Well I can't unsee it now lol. Those teeth look kind of silver to me.

For me it's the proto. The slub (right word?) on the shoulder isn't large enough for a xx121 and left of the head you can see one of the spikes known from the trailer.

Further the shoulder doesn't seem to have biomechanical features.

Tiwaz-

Not sure if that was to me, but I was referring to the vey first picture looking like it had silver teeth.

Here, the teeth look also silver-ish. If you zoom in.

And no, I'll not do another picasso. ;P

Yes, both creatures appear to have silver teeth. That is interesting since I always figured the metallic looking teeth would be a later result and be the xeno. The teeth didn't appear metallic in the RUN poster imo.

The run-poster has a green teint to it, that might've misled you, dk.

Now that looked again the neo seems to have silver teeth, too.

I think that You might be right. This could be the Protomorph but in a different lighting. "Magnificent, is'nt it?"

Yep! I'd wager it's a shot from the shower scene.

Tiwaz, here is the xenomorph image above enhanced and zoomed in on the lit up side. I do see a faint eye socket and maybe an eye in it similar to the enhanced photo on the xenomorph that was on top of the drop ship.

(feel free to correct me on xenomorph terminology, I've been focused on android and Engineer everything)

The eye on the left of each image above looks visible under semi-transparent skin.

It was Giger's original design that the xeno has an elongated "human skull" under a translucent carapace but without eyeballs or nose, just the cavities or whatever it is called. Same is said to be true for the protomorph.

Howener, the difference between those two is that the proto doesn't have the biomechanical traits. The armor, so to speak, the Xeno has.

What puzzles me bout the proto/xeno (picture above) is the existence of the gab in the "bone structure" between the eye sockets. Wich the original Xeno doesn't have.

Assuming the skull is something gained from the host i wondered if the gap indicates that the proto did not spawn from a human.  

Been playing with some ideas for a variation of the Xeno/Proto for my works, based on the idea that David's had a decade of experimenting-time, so he likely has a large managerie of almost-successes and such.

dk, Tiwaz, Parkerparrot, Blackwinter-witch in regards to the silver teeth, could it be polarized silicon instead of metal?

Of course, an exotic biologically refined silicon but something in the same biology as a facehugger. We are talking about the protomorph organic (below) as far as the teeth.

Once we get into biomechanical the debate is kind of over because the hybrid material (organic/metal) variations are limitless.

I say this because Ash in Alien said the facehugger was made of this and I can only assume these traits would be in the offspring (protomorph/xenomorph Thank you Tiwaz)? 

Well, Ingeniero. It doesn't even need to be exotic. From what i know silicon based life is possible, in theory, but not likely, due to the chemical properties or better the lack of it.

However, silicon is used in bioengineering (directed evolution yada yada yada...). Since the Morphs are engineered species it isn't far fetched that silicon is part of their physiology. 

Silicon based life exists...in the form of bacteria living in the guts of critters that live very close to hydrothermal vents, where said silicon-based bacteria are akin to our own 'friendly' intestinal bacteria and performs the same job, but on insanely toxic substances.

Blew my mind when I heard about that. Silicon based life needs HIGH temperatures for it to work, hence the hydrothermal vent biology.

Ingeniero

Metallic teeth, or a metal-doped crystalline structure, say aluminum and silicon/quartz-like material...an ALIEN version of the enamel that our own teeth are made of.  Alumina-silicate would make for VERY strong teeth

Kyanite, as example, or some version of with a low-blue coloration would give you a 'metallic/crystalline grey' appearance. It's used in abrasives, so tough stuff, and I just post this as a rough-example of possible Alien dental composition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyanite

Awesome points Tiwaz and Blackwinter-witch. And Kyanite is an excellent natural occurring example in so many ways.

Ingeniero

TY for saying!  Glad you liked my thoughts on the dentistry of the beastie :)

Blackwinter-witch, yes, that is a very popular aspect of the organism...

@Ingeniero 

In that tilted picture with the headbutting Protomorph You can clearly see the transparent dome with the ridges under. Beautiful shot!

@BWW

Nice theory about the teeth with cilicon and aluminium/kyanite! I have allways wondered about the xenos metallic teth.   Very nice!

I did a capture on the Xenomorph from the trailers before, where it is on the Covenant in the Corridors and indeed it had Eye-sockets and a Nose-Cavity.

As far as the first image in the Post, it could be a Neomorph but then Tess Haubrich was attacked by a Infant Neomorph in the other trailer and this is where she got those wounds from.

So it could be a different Organism all together, time will tell.

I dont like the look of the New Monster though, i hope they improve the CGI on this one and how there is No Mouth and then a Massive one... Looks very Poor IMO

Thank you Parkerparrot.

I adjusted the contrast and brightness in the title images so the resolution in the CGI may look plastic BigDave. 

Yeah even so frame by frame i am a bit disappointed with the New Monster we have been shown, as far as how the Mouth appears...

Hopefully it will look a bit different when the movie is FINISHED.

The one we see in the TV Spot does look like one of the Deacon Concepts