
Chowe
MemberOvomorphApril 10, 2017I don't really understand why people hate Prometheus. I hear everybody complaining about because there was no aliens in it.
1.The cast is well picked
2.The acting was top notch
3.The story itself was great
4.It made the Alien universe much larger.
5.A great movie is all ways supposed to leave you asking questions
6.The man himself Ridley Scott made it so put some respect on his name.
@Chowe I don't HATE prometheus, in fact, I loved it. BUT, I'll have to disagree with several of your tenets:
1) The cast was NOT well picked.
2) the acting was quite terrible (Holloway, Old Weyland, Rapace (at times), etc.)
3) the story was "interesting" and artsy, having many interpretations, but I wouldn't say "great".
4) I can agree with that.
5) I can agree with that.
6) I can agree with that.
I love prometheus too, alot of people like to bash it and complain about it because they don't like characters in it doing some silly stuff, unanswered questions,story a bit confusing to them,SJ being just a suit worn by bald humanoid engineers not the elephantine creatures they've always imagined,no xenos etc.
On the positive side people do agree that the visuals and Fassbender's performance of David 8 are outstanding,but for the rest, they immediately start complaining about everything I mentioned above.
"Abs are not a sign of power, it's just a sign you don't eat enough."-JF Caron
I enjoyed PROMETHEUS, and while it could have been better, and did have some dumb tropes in it (Eg; Holloway then the rest removing their helmets) I can overlook those little things.
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I like Prometheus a lot but it could be way closer to my ideal for a serious Sci-Fi movie. Why? There's way too little "Sci" in it. It just didn't feel at all like a real exploratory mission. The whole team acted like a completely incoherent bunch of randomly selected characters who didn't even know where they were going and what were they expected to do there. That's a recipe for disaster. Remember - Fifield buggered off followed by Millburn once he discovered what was the expedition about. And both were just waved goodbye "OK, guys, see you back in the ship, hope you know the way out!"-style.
Not to mention the crew taking their helmets off and dissecting alien biological specimen wearing nothing more than surgical masks in a non-contained environment (while being observed by a curious guy in hipster-clothes gobbling alcohol directly from the bottle). There was a total lack of protocol and coherency which, to me, nearly ruined the movie. The guys from Scooby Doo seem way more systematic and reasonable than the crew of Prometheus.
From what I saw in the Alien: Covenant trailers so far it won't be much different than Prometheus in this regard - people walking around in an uncharted and apparently alive planet wearing nothing more than funny-looking hats as protection...
" The guys from Scooby Doo seem way more systematic and reasonable than the crew of Prometheus. "
LOL yeah, this statement on top of your points, I agree. :D
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My ONLY real regret is that as Holloway is dead, I cannot have him somewhere in ALIEN: Manticore to learn some horrible lessons about stupidity in extraterrestrial environments.
BUT...I MIGHT drop that character's brother into ALIEN: MANTICORE; Paradise as sometimes siblings share career-areas, and i'm sure a sibling would want answers about WTF happened to the Prmetheus Expedition and his brother.
David, agreed, he really stole the movie!!
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Hate is a strong word, I don’t hate any movie even though I can think that it sucks but that is not my opinion about most movies. Prometheus has some good things about it but it also has many parts that stink.
I will go through the list
- I can’t say a lot about that since I haven’t watched many of their movies
- Not sure about that, if they did the best that they could being given the underwhelming script (which was better before Lindelof and Scott F’ed it up).
- Sorry but it was not. I don’t care about Weyland’s quest for immortality, I don’t care about Shaw and her role and the connection between the Engineers and the Xeno was lame.
- At what cost? I don’t care that much about the Engineers after seeing that movie because they were not made to be very interesting. They could have been well done but they were just handled in a bad way because the connection Xeno-Engineers wasn't done too well. Sure we were given some new monsters that were alright but no, it was a miss.
- It depends if you leave questions if it is a movie that is well thought out, if there are characters that you care for, and so on. Yes it left things to think about but for bad reasons, namely bad writing. They should have explained more about the Engineers-Xenos and not made it so vague. An audience shouldn’t have to watch a movie ten times before they can figure things out, Prometheus requires that so it works for those that are really interested but not for those that just want to end the working week with watching a movie with their friend, woman, what ever.
6. So just because he has been involved in some classics (I give him that) he is above criticizing? I don’t think so. Any movie that I find underwhelming is a movie that I feel free to criticize as much as I want (as people should be allowed to).
Hate isn’t a word that describes my feelings for Prometheus, rather the word is disappointment because it could have been so much better. I would still give it a 2 out of 5 which means that it doesn’t stink and it isn’t great but it is OK.
Chowe: Of course you are allowed to have your opinion, that is alright but it is just that I disagree with you.
As Dark Nebula says, Fassbender did good work there and to a huge degree saved Prometheus from being a disaster.
R&D Engineer: Sure Fifield and Milburn acted stupid but they were not the only characters that did so
“The guys from Scooby Doo seem way more systematic and reasonable than the crew of Prometheus.“
That made me laugh so much! Thanks! Even though there are many characters that I dislike there are also some side-characters that I never remember the name of like the two co-pilots for example, that is how bad many of the characters are. You are correct about removing the helmets, that was just dumb. Holloway was probably the drinking from a bottle guy, I didn’t like that character either.
Haha, I must admit I plagiarized it from the Prometheus forum where a guy had written "Even Scooby and Shaggy would run more cleverly from the falling Juggernaut than Shaw and Vickers". (citing by memory). :)
Well, plagiarized or not, it was good for a chuckle and it did sum things up pretty nicely. :)
And yeah, they would have enough smarts to run truly away from it (intentionally or panic-driven random course-changes) whereas Vickers...man, I felt that she would have been smarter than that actually.
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Actually I find the connection between the Engineers and the Xenos probably the best and most thrilling part of the movie. The lack of obvious direct connection but the hints for some connection leave many questions to the fans and their fantasy. I find it a great thing for a movie to do so. Personally I would be rather disappointed had we seen facehuggers and Xenos running around in the prequel. We saw plenty of these in the 4 episodes of the franchise already. The chain black goo -> Trilobite (analogue to the facehugger) -> Deacon (analogue to the Xeno) was a clear hint that the Engineers at least created something that maybe created the Xenos at a certain point. I'm still banging my head with the question where and how.
I fully agree with you that nearly half the characters were just stats - this is untypical for the franchise. And also that nearly everyone with a major role in the movie except for Janek and Vickers did incredibly stupid things.
And yeah, the drinking guy was Holloway. He was acting like a ghetto gangsta all the time. I was so happy when he died! :)
Vickers and Shaw do change course while running away. Hard to believe the myth about them running in a straight line still persists.
I dislike Prometheus because Scott should have kept the Aliens Engineers draft which was far superior in almost any single way. The human and especially engineer technologies were more impressive. The engineer was outstanding and the characters were way smarter, relatable and likable especially Holloway. Not forgetting the protomorph and ils amazing capabilities.
We see Shaw fall (I think she fell) and roll to the side, thus escaping being crushed...
Vickers, I've watched that scene more than once and there's some minor deviations in the course, but not enough to save her life obviously.
If there's a significant course-deviation Vickers made, I'm sorry but I missed it, where did she change course in a significant manner?
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Without David 8, the movie would have been unwatchable for me.
I pretty much agree. For me personally, Prometheus ultimately failed to keep me invested in the "story" and the "characters", except David who was the only quality bearing pillar left to prevent a total collapse of interest from my part.
I have read the available drafts and such of the original scripts, and more should have been used from them, I agree.
However, there was so much happening in that script that it might have been possible cram it all into a 2 hour movie-window without making things feel crowded'.
I am hoping they re-visit that original script and at least salvage some ideas from it. There were some great ideas in there that'd be a shame to waste.
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Okay, TY! I'll try to find that on youtube, should be a clip around there, if not I'll Watch for that next time it comes on one of the movie channels up here. :)
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1.The cast is well picked
To a degree yes, Ridleys likes to give unknowns or upcoming Actors a break, Alien was the same, and so is Alien Covenant. Each Ridley Scott Alien movie had a % of known names, % relatively unknowns and % of upcoming ones.
2.The acting was top notch
I dont agree with this, some was Good, some was bad, overall it did its job to drive the Plot.. i dont think Alien Covenant is going to be having Nominee after Nominee for Oscars either.
3.The story itself was great
The idea was interesting and i think the Story needed a bit more work, it needed to borrow a few bits from Spaights Draft but i felt a Majority Prometheus type movie would had been better than a Majority Alien Engineers (Spaights Draft) one...
4.It made the Alien universe much larger.
Potentially very much so.... but i think this is now a concern for Fox/Ridley and they may now want to shrink it down a bit, well not got to some places that could have been opened up with the Revelations in Prometheus.
5.A great movie is all ways supposed to leave you asking questions
The movie was a tad bit to ambiguous, especially for many, but i agree its the many unanswered things that keep some coming back to the movie for multiple viewings. I am sure its a movie that after Alien Covenant will get you going back and looking at Prometheus again, i actually think Prometheus would be a movie people may have to go and check out a few times after AC, than say even Alien would be needed.
6.The man himself Ridley Scott made it so put some respect on his name.
Ridley Scott is a Legend he has some flaws, mainly a few Wardrobe Malfunctions and Scale mistakes. But i guess things can get missed and overlooked when you are trying to put so much Detail into every movie that he does. I know he will do well with a Good Draft, its a case of how good is the Plot of Alien Covenant, rather than how Good can Ridley Scott make it on the Screen.
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