Ridley Scott confirms David WAS the originator of the xenomorph AND that the beings he bombarded were in fact engineers.

I feel so bad for Shaw... She got turned into a nighmarish birthing machine. Good to see some Giger imagery though. Also, i'm pretty sure Walter isn't dead. I was thinking maybe he gets facehugged by one of the eggs David created, and he uses the crashed juggernaught ship to escape the planet and send the warning that the Nostromo picks up. He's the guy in the chair the crew of the Nostromo find, not an engineer. The biomech xeno comes from him. 

Tiwaz

"That Book went through FOX's approval, before it was published."

That brings me to my third guess (which I should have included in my last response to you)

I work for a large corporation that produces digital content. I regularly see major shortcomings on the part of reviewers. Some of the things that are missed are truly mind blowing. It may be the case that this little nugget slipped through the cracks and now Ridley and the book are out of sync with each other. Ridley may not even realize that the book indicates that David didn't create the egg. If that is the case, we might be in for a grade A shitshow over the next couple of years.

Perhaps someone should put this question to Ridley or ADF sooner than not.

joylitt

"So according to Ridley Scott the Engineers can only visit us every 500 years but now humans are traveling to their star system every 10 years or so?"

What do you mean?

I'll say that trying to work around what the franchise is doing and create a decent story in the ALIENverse isn't easy, and is getting to be quite a challenge in attempting to resolve via logical extrapolation various plot-holes, loopholes and continuity issues.

I may only be writing fanfiction, but I am giving it my best effort. I want to make something the fanbase will enjoy, and possibly salve some of the bruises inflicted by what's going on in the franchise right now.

That all said, there's no way around some points, so there's going to be unavoidable de-couplings from Canon that exist from certain dualities as mentioned above Re; Book vs Film where they can not be resolved properly.

Then again, inspiration might strike in the middle of the night and lend it's aid. We'll see, and in the meantime, I'll keep working.

But if your a 'David groupie', you'll be sorely disappointed as my works do not encompass him much.

"here really was no other motivation behind it, besides giving a nod to the master (Giger)"

Its possible, i agree at that... but i think the Face Huggers was the Easter Eggs, i think regardless the Mural shows us a Xenomorph related Organism, the Black Goo shows us Xeno-related Outcomes (Hammerpedes and Fifield, and Trillobite to Deacon).  Plus the Black Goo creates a lot of Davids work... then we have the Frescos... which we only see the one clearly.

If these are just Easter Eggs... FOX needs to stop doing silly stuff, because it wrongly sets Fans up the Wrong Garden Path which then leads to Fans then being let down and disappointed.. The Alien Covenant Poster with those Xenomorphs and Engineers is a prime example.

Easter Eggs like the Drinking Bird are fine....but things that can be interpreted to the Plot like the Mural in Prometheus and the Alien Covenant Engineer Poster... are just setting Fans up for major disapointments

QueenElizabethShaw Did you listen to the whole podcast? Ridley said the Engineers visit us every 500 years. But we visit their planets every 10 years or so. And imagine if other space faring civilizations they have seeded are doing the same?

The Egg Scene in the Novel is interesting... i thought it was not mentioned? Are there alternative Novels? i doubt it.

If indeed its hinted David did not create but found it, then that did raise a lot of Questions..  when RS made a comment just after he announced AC he did mention this.

“They’re going to go to the planet where the engineers came from, and come across the evolving creature that they had made. Why did they make it? Why would they make such a terrifying beast? It felt bio-mechanoid, it felt like a weapon. And so the movie will explain that, and reintroduce the alien back into it.”

You could interpreted that as THEY as in Engineers...

If the ADF Novel has that Scene where David tells Oram he came across the Egg....  this adds up to the quote by RS.

We need to remember a Lot of Changes happen post shooting, and re-shoots and so the information that Alan Dean was working off would not be 100% the finished product we had the the Cinema...

Things get changed... Prometheus is Proof of this with the many scenes that it never included... which not only was the Elders Scenes, but Scenes like this.

That paint a different picture of some Scenes, but are edited out and so are not to be considered as far as Canon.

The ADF Egg Scene therefore is just a victim of again changes to plans as they are in the Post Shooting/Re-shooting phase.

It is also very interesting to hear from Ridley himself how uninterested he is in the action aspect of the film, he actually calls it "shoot 'em up bullshit". He kinda suggests he was only invested in that second act and Fassbender's "standout scene". I am not sure what he means about the David/Walter switching twist though. I'm not sure he's proud about the cheap trick he pulled on us.

@Svanya

I can see what you mean, i was always under the impression that Walter may be not quite a normal Synthetic and he would be part of how we get the Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph.

Its a nice theory, but i would imagine the Juggernaught is incapacitated, as we have to Question why David was stranded unless he wanted to stay on purpose until he can Lure in Test Subjects.

A theory on Walter on that ship and getting Chest Busted would also hint that what ever Chest Bursts would be a Egg Layer... but i think RS is going against a Queen for his plans.

I certainly think at some point a Synthetic and a Engineer Ship have to come back into play as far as leading to ALIEN, and we have to ask... are we really going to see David with one Hand all the way in the next movie?

I think surely the Covenant would have Spare Parts for Walter that David can use... and maybe what if there is enough to Rebuild a Walter?

If David does this and used MUTHUR to allow David to upload his consciousness to this Walter... then killing off Daniels would cover all his tracks..

joylitt

I see now. You are referencing the content from the podcast. Do you have a time stamp? I did listen to the whole thing but the only reference to 500 years that I remember picking up on was this one

"If the planet went wrong, they would want to wipe it clean. But that could take 500 years. When they revisit –  because different visitors would come back and see we’re not doing so well – they would look at these human beings that are jerks, that are killing the planet, killing themselves, can’t settle down, they’re like a bunch of children. We should wipe it clean."

That's what I'm talking about. Anyway they visit us very sporadically, but we got to a point where we can be at their doorstep whenever we want. That is very bad planning on behalf on the engineers, and I don't think it will ever be explained.

joylitt

I think you've misinterpreted what he said. I don't gather anything like that at all from his words.

All i can think of to the 500 years is..

This is how regular the Engineers visit Worlds they seed to check on the Progress... Or this is how long after HITTING Reset, before they can begin Re-creating Life again on those Worlds.

There's no contradiction regarding where the eggs are from, David is not telling the truth. He is lying in the movie as well.

@joylitt

I can see where you are comming from and for sure, thats correct.. but i think the Engineers felt that Mankind would never evolve Technologically to be able to do that...  this shows the Hubris of the Engineers, their Arrogance and Naivety that they see their creations as limited without the Knowledge and Help they pass on.

Ultimately is why Prometheus was Punished lol

In the interview, we also get an explanation for the ship's name, "Covenant". It corresponds to the agreements made between the pilgrim fathers who left their homeland and went on a similar journey to the promised land.

@BigDave 

"Its a nice theory, but i would imagine the Juggernaught is incapacitated"~BigDave

True, but they were on an engineer planet, perhaps the main planet, so i'd wager it's highly possible there are more ships there. As for Daniels and the rest of the crew/passengers, it's obvious David will use them all as test subjects, infecting them with the facehuggers brought onboard and continuing his research. He did say he intended to do to Daniels exactly as he had done to Shaw.

@QueenElizabethShaw I've featured this thread, thanks for posting it!

"This is going to mean the Covenant is leaving Planet 4 in around the year 2105 (mid December 2104) and will take 7 years to get to Origae-6 and then that puts us at the year late 2111 and early 2112 which then leaves them 9-10 years to Shoe-horn David and his Eggs to LV-426 which bare in mind if he does not discover a Engineer ship on Origae-6 means another 7 years back to Earth or say 5-7 back to LV-426 Potentially putting the Derelict on LV-426 as being there for 3-5 years before the events of Alien."

Wait! Who said that Alien happening in 2122? Original movie haven't information about time! David can have many years and decades before Alien. This maybe 22XX or 23XX for Alien79 hapening.

These following lines take on a new meaning and clarity when replaced with RS speaking of his A L I E N legacy … -

"We made you because we could."

"Sometimes to create, one must first destroy."

"It must feel like your God abandoned you."

"Did you really think I was gonna sit in a boardroom for years arguing over who was in charge while you go look for some miracle on some godforsaken rock in the middle of space? A king has his reign, and then he dies. It's inevitable. That is natural order of things."

Maybe, he had plans to take it all in a complete new direction well away from the story line we know, from the moment he came back on board. Who knows where the journey will take us …

The scene in the book doesn't necessarily contradict the movie.

The sequence is just missing. However, in the movie David says something like "... I've found it ... I've created it...", in that particular order. At least that's what some members stated. I've only seen the german version so far.

Of course he could be lying. But David usually lies through omission rather than faking things. When Walter confronted him he straight out admitted that he bombed the Engineers.