Gay Kiss Cut From Chinese Version of Alien: Covenant

What the Hell?

Well, that scene was so useless anyway.

Instead,  Ridley should have kept other more story relevant Scenes. 

Ah typical westerners not understanding of different cultures. lol you're adorable 

^No my reaction was because I was confused as to why someone would make a thread about this xD

No, I'm not the guy on here that has a raging boner for Fassbender. LOL.  Nor am I the guy that wants a gender-queer actor to play Weyland.

I just figured that it was newsworthy.  Nice save, though!

That kiss was such an integral scene for David, showing his developing feelings and his frustration with his inability to properly express it. The Chinese are weird lol

It's an extreme horror scene for Raging Alpha male types.

But I don't want any romance/bro-mance in any A L I E N movie...Or little children.

Some people say it is not a gay kiss, but a Judas kiss or a kiss of death, or a Blade Runner kiss, etc... But I think it's not so important...

Sexuality can be seen as a way of communication, so I think Lawrence of Arabia's comment is a very good summary of the scene in question. At the same time we shouldn't forget that David kisses Daniels as well. That's why I say that it is pointless to claim that David is gay or bi or hetero, because these scenes do not want to reveal these possibilities.

In my opinion, these scenes are there to show that David has become sexual, he has become more human.

Look at David in Prometheus, I mean look at how he is shown, look at his uniform, do you see his body? And look at David in Alien Covenant. First scene: tight uniform, muscles, upper body, leg, ass. And look at his appearance on planet 4, after the hair-cut, look at how he is shown again. You see everything, and I'm sure it was an intentional approach applied by the filmmakers. The key word is creation, David has to look sexual. And Fassbender delivers the ingredients, no doubt.

You have a boner or not, all the same.

@Ati: "Look at David in Prometheus, I mean look at how he is shown, look at his uniform, do you see his body? And look at David in Alien Covenant. First scene: tight uniform, muscles, upper body, leg, ass. And look at his appearance on planet 4, after the hair-cut, look at how he is shown again..."

Didn't even notice that.

@Ati: "You have a boner or not, all the same."

No, it makes a world of difference.

"I'll do the fingering" - David 8

nice drawing

That waggly-fingered Data .gif is great.

"Look at David in Prometheus, I mean look at how he is shown, look at his uniform, do you see his body? And look at David in Alien Covenant. First scene: tight uniform, muscles, upper body, leg, ass. And look at his appearance on planet 4, after the hair-cut, look at how he is shown again...-Ati"

Didn't even notice that."-Ripleys_Ghost 

Trust me, I noticed, lol. So did every other woman I know who watched the movies. XD

"In my opinion, these scenes are there to show that David has become sexual, he has become more human."-Ati

I agree with you on that. There were hints of it in Prometheus. Also, the novel elaborates on how he wants to be sexual with Daniels, and it hints that he was with Shaw. It is depicted as being against both women's wills as well, which is highly disturbing.

This is just how some Cultures are different, overall it does affect how a movie can be portrayed as having Scenes Cut for this purposes can lead to a big difference compared to Un-cut movies.

@Ati "Some people say it is not a gay kiss, but a Judas kiss or a kiss of death, or a Blade Runner kiss, etc..."

That's exactly what it was. I expected Walter's head to be crushed right after he did that. Got a death punch instead, but same intent. 

"That's the spirit" - Roy Batty, 2019

"That's the spirit" - David 8, 2104

LOL at the op's thread pic! AHAHAHA :)

But seriously, a country this powerfull is still some kind of dictatorship where freedom of art/press/speech isn't allowed (to a certain extent). 

It's very disturbing when you think about it...

Agree with Ati

I hate David killed off Walter instantly after the kiss. It's kinda pretentious to me and trying to take off the sexuality thing.

I think 90% of the people could probably care less who kisses who.

I don't recall sci-fi fans having an issue with Batty kissing Tyrell in Blade Runner?

@Ripleys_Ghost Who painted that pic you used, i'd like to credit them if possible.

The only kiss in the movie that should be disturbing to anyone is the one David forces on Daniels.

@Lilly (Svanya): "Trust me, I noticed, lol. So did every other woman I know who watched the movies. XD"... "Who painted that pic you used, i'd like to credit them if possible."

I thought that you ladies were attracted to less tangible qualities like personality and character?  Haha... Anyway, he looks like a Perfect Ayrian - David Bowie - Gay Wet Dream-come true. LOL

I did a reverse image search on the main photo (painting).  This might be the source:

https://twitter.com/noonrema

@Ati "Some people say it is not a gay kiss, but a Judas kiss or a kiss of death, or a Blade Runner kiss, etc..."
 
@Kethol "That's exactly what it was. I expected Walter's head to be crushed right after he did that. Got a death punch instead, but same intent."

 - Keep in mind that Daviud has a screw loose; he's exploring his 'sexuality' which is probably just some of his code getting corrupted with 60 years of cobwebs.

Walter ain't dead... at least his chassis isn't.  Of course Sir Ridly is likely to pull another retcon and we;ll have to pretend that we didn't see this:

David has a puncture wound.  Walter does not.  The right picture shows the android back on the Covenant after they leave the planet.

"David has a puncture wound.  Walter does not.  The right picture show the android back on the Covenant after they leave the planet."

Indeed its a visual clue that allows us to wonder if David transferred his mind instead.... however RS confirmed this never happened and the Hole/No Hole is a Oversight.

Which with RS we have to get used to BIG TIME... The Eyes of the Engineers in Paradise and Size etc is another one.

@tdby2: "Good for future of children."

haha... no kidding. At least Commander Data had the right idea:

Data Gets Laid

Ripleys_Ghost: 'I thought that you ladies were attracted to less tangible qualities like personality and character?'

Ughh, how careless I am, I looked at your user name and thought you are a woman.

'"I'll do the fingering" - David 8' - by Ripleys_Ghost

I think there's no need to shout the sexual/homosexual connotation again and again with the aim to generate clash between the members of the site.

With the sentence 'I'll do the fingering.' David wants to convey the message that 'Walter, come into my world. Be my partner in the future. Let's rule the galaxy. Follow me and I'll show you everything. I am the boss, I'll tell you what to do." That's all.

Ati Oh please. The writers and Fassbender have confirmed there was a sexual connotation in that scene. Just live with it.

Well having seen the movie 3 times it came across to me that scene was a bit camp, and came across a bit comical innuendo like we was watching a Carry on Movie... a bit of Tongue in Cheek..

Was it meant to imply a Sexual innuendo? who knows.. but it does come across a bit like that... its how it was interpreted by some.... who knows if this was the intention though.. only Fassbender and RS would know.

So David did come across a bit Camp....  like in the video i linked LOL

I think it was a bit too much, but then it kind of allowed Fassbender to explore a new role with David, one where he seems to be getting in touch with his Sexuality, which i know kind of does not sit well with some fans.. and there is certainly no need for any Homophobic Comments towards him, but certainly he was portrayed as a confused robot.. whos Emotions are getting out of control.

And i think in part you have to applaud some of these changes they made to the Character... very risky route and it did kind of bring a Camp side to David which i felt was interesting to a degree.... but somethings may have came across a bit comical..

PS i have nothing against Camp-ness... i am actually fond of a lot of Camp Artist and i find Guy Pearce's Pricilla Queen of the Desert a very entertaining movie...

Ati Oooops haha You know what I mean. Anyway whoever doesn't like David being gay can go do the fingering to themselves.

Please, everybody forgive me, but I must upload this image here, because I like it so much:

@BigDave

There was defintely some intentional campiness with his character. They seemed to be having fun with that aspect of him. David was even delivering several one-liners in the movie (Don't let the bed bugs bite). There were even a few more one liners in the book, so they must have thought it was a bit too camp and pulled back on them.

@Ati et al:

Don't get triggered over the 'fingering' thing.  I'm just talking about what happened in the movie.  Tons of sexual innuendo there.  Sometimes, I think that some folks saw some other movie.  Nobody's saying anything negative about gay people or the gay lifestyle, even in space.

If Sir Ridley tweeted that there was no sexual innuendo (or outright sex) in the film, or that the earth was flat, you guys would swallow it all and re-tweet it.

Ripleys_Ghost Honestly, I don't care much about what the director or the writers say. The movie speaks for itlself. We should all agree that Alien Covenant is not the movie that is going to help you accept gay people. And I am quite certain the writers have included David's homosexual traits to reinforce the notion that AI is something that you are supposed to fear. Because you know, in the world of today we don't fear AI since it doesn't exist, but a lot of people fear homosexuality, and this gives the threat much more immediacy.

@joylitt

What? Where is that coming from? You do realize that all the Covenant crew were couples and that Lope and Hallet were gay, married characters don't you? We were not supposed to fear or not accept them. They were written as normal people, just like the other characters. The film makers obviously did not see anything wrong or abnormal with ones sexual preferences either way.

David on the other hand was abnormal in every way imaginable, compared to a human. In the movie he kissed both a male and female character, and told both a male a female character he loved them. He also said he loved Shaw. He still killed her and attempted to kill the other two. He was an equal opportunity psycho :)

@Ripleys_Ghost Thanks for the link! Also, with regards to David's scar, on the Weyland site it says David 8's can repair themselves to a certain extent so perhaps the whole repaired itself since it is so small. I'm pretty sure Ridley even says David cut off his own hand and simply took Walter's place, he never said David swapped programming with Walter. 

It's funny you mention women factoring men's personalities into sexual attractiveness, because after seeing how David treated Shaw, etc. he became repulsive regardless of his very agreeable physical attributes.

@Kethol Yes David did kiss members of both sexes, one being an exact physical copy of himself. I didn't see it as a gay kiss at all, more of an expression of his narcissism and his exploring a newfound sexuality. 

@joylitt Nah, like Kethol says, there's a male homosexual couple in the movie, they are shown even in the viral campaign as a normal, affectionate couple, nothing in the movie is against homosexuals. David is kissing himself, it's more narcissism and exploration than anything else. Technically speaking the kiss would be incest (they're brothers) so don't go reading too much into it imo, lol.

Like I said before, the only kiss in the movie that people should find disturbing is the one David forces on Daniels. 

@Ati's first post ITT: well said there.

How robots actually manage relationships (straight or otherwise):

@Lilly (Svanya): "Also, with regards to David's scar, on the Weyland site it says David 8's can repair themselves to a certain extent so perhaps the whole repaired itself since it is so small. I'm pretty sure Ridley even says David cut off his own hand and simply took Walter's place, he never said David swapped programming with Walter."

I still think that Sir Ridely is pulling a bad retcon.  David's hair is much lighter, and his voice box was broken before the crew left the planet.  In terms of the what we saw in the movie, it makes no sense to assume that the android aboard the Covenant at the end of the film WAS David.  I see that most people really cling to the idea that it was David... but they must have been watch ing a different movie than I did.

Where on the Weyland site does it say the David 8s can repair themselves to a certain extent?

It says David 8 can conduct his own maintenance procedures, like replenishing his high-turbidity hydraulic fluid, but nothing about repairs. In fact, it specifically states for physical damage he must be taken to an authorized Weyland Cybernetics facility.

@Kethol: "Where on the Weyland site does it say the David 8s can repair themselves to a certain extent?"

People are saying a lot of unsourced things on here.  Personally, I think that the actual movie should be considered canon.

All the Weyland web content is on the Blu Ray with the actual movie, so I consider that cannon if/until a something in a future movie contradicts it. But this 'David can repair himself' stuff is not there or in the movie.