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Did David ruin Alien Covenant?

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Janekripley76

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Many people I've spoken to and even some people leaving the theater all expressed that the movie bombed because the central focus of the movie is about David. Not Shaw, the engineers or even the alien itself. Just David and how it seems he is the sole creator or at the very least co-creator of the xenomorph. Alot of moviegoers, myself included find this so hard to believe and to simply digest the fact that this creature that is so complex and so unique and extremely dangerous can be created by a lone android that was created by humans. How the xenomorph was portrayed in the first film should have carried over in the future films. It was terrifying. How stealth the xeno was and the way he stalked the crew was unreal. I love how you never really saw how he moved about from place to place which added to the mystery of this being. And when the xeno was finally revealed it was incredible. Like where in this galaxy could something so sinister come from. Now we know where it comes from and it just leaves you sucking your teeth and saying was this all they could come up with? Really? An Android is the reason for the xenomorph? Some folks like the David arc in the series and that's great but I feel like if not solely the engineers being the creator then a higher being should have had a hand in their creation. Not a crazed android that was made on earth. To me that just cheapens the xenomorph even more so than ever. They already have them moving about like giant bugs that are very easy to kill. The xenomorph just isn't scary anymore and that sucks. I hope that the next movie if there is gonna be another one made would at least try to bring that feeling of doom and uncertainty along with the fear of being killed by this thing back. Right now David is more dangerous and more mysterious than the xenomorph. The next installment should be called Alien:David.

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Ati
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Ruined?

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dk
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No.

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He was the best part aside from all the cool set pieces and aliens. Also the themes were awesome.

"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."

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Absolutely not

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Everybody jumped the gun before even knowing that the OP wrote... :-) Because, in a way, the exaggerated focus on David together with the neglect of the human element of the story did ruin the movie.

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definitely not! David needs a really strong Engineer and/or human counterpart someone capable of opposing him. He has sort of been flying under the radar so far. With his transmission to W-Y at the end of Covenant I think he has signalled his intention to become a true antagonist.

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bring it on human peasants XD

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Hells no, he's the best part!

Wat

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UGH, i'm double posting for some reason. *cries*

Wat

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dk
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Now that the actual post is here, I still give a resounding NO!

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Janekripley76 I totally agree with you. To me the character of David doesn't make much sense anymore. I would say an AI should be fascinated by the prospect of knowledge and exploring the cosmos. His personal vendetta to me is nonsense. However, there is still hope future installments will move away from the mad scientist plot and go back to the real marrow of this franchise, which is cosmic horror.

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David8 didn't ruin Alien Covenant, the negative issues with the movie are much more varied.

Michael Fassbender did a great job playing David8/Walter, he's in my opinion, maybe the best actor in the World if we consider his performances over the last 5 years.

One thing I noticed about Alien Covenant, David8 seemed to have put weight on, looked bigger. In Prometheus, David8 was very thin. 

Can Androids get fat?!!

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The FOCUS on David as a main character is what I didn't like. He is merely PART of the evolution of a magnificent being that was a threat to the Engy's at least 2000 + years prior. NOW, it is time to expand the story and explore THEIR point of view and part(s) in the story...

 

AND finally to REALLY show who the "Space Jockey" on that derelict REALLY is. NO ONE buys that it was a 9 foot engineer. No one. I will not accept that. So, I'm ready for an "Uber" Engineer or something of the sort. I can accept the "suit" concept, but not the size differential. We HAVE to have THAT story.

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Starlogger Yes. The Engineers' and the xenomorphs' evolutions are intertwined, that is obvious to me. And David does not have anything to do with it. It is time to stop the android psychodrama and think about delivering some real sc-fi.

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JOHNNYMORPH - Yes, I think you're right, David looked fatter, but I think that was intentional since they wanted to show that he hasn't had access to spare parts, etc. But it was a mistake, because in this way Walter looked fat as well. Making of Assassin Creed was very close to Covenant's, Fassbender looks in that movie OK... better than OK. More training, more muscles, you look more... :) So he looked more in Covenant as well, but his face was not OK, I agree with you.

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Lilly (Svanya) - Oh, Lilly, I have just realised that Walter does not step back in that scene. Walter wanted that kiss, too. :D

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'To me the character of David doesn't make much sense anymore. I would say an AI should be fascinated by the prospect of knowledge and exploring the cosmos. His personal vendetta to me is nonsense.' - by joylitt

Zzzzzz.... Zzzzzz... Zzzzzz....

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Ati, Obviously Fassbender will not be the same body shape as 5 years ago when they filmed Prometheus, but I think it was a bit of an oversight. David8 looked alot thinner/fragile in Prometheus and in Alien:Covenant he was more solid/muscle/thicker.

They could have asked Fassbender to lose more weight so he would look more similar to his look in Prometheus. Michael Fassbender dropped alot of weight for his breakthrough role of Bobby Sands in 'Hunger', so he's no stranger to doing this.

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You are right, but the two films were too close to each other, in Assassin he had to have that extra body and it was impossible for him to lose weight for Covenant.

Assassin's Creed:

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