Alien Awakening,Alien 5,AVP 3,or Alien Isolation?What's best for the future of Alien on film?
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MemberPraetorianDecember 29, 2018Inspired by my other thread and various debates I've seen here as well as Facebook.Looking at these options which do you think would be the best for Alien's future?
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None of the above. As someone said before "Let the past die, kill it if you have to" or "sometimes to create you must first destroy".
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"Mommy always said there were no monsters, no real ones, but there are." - Newt, LV-426 Hide-and-Seek Champion
"God used beautiful mathematics in creating the world." - Paul Dirac
None of them.
I want to know the end of the prequels, so, personally, I want Alien: Awakening.
What's best for the franchise is an ALIEN 5, but it needs to be different. ALIEN 5 needs to continue the story and not remove ALIEN3 or ALIEN: Resurrection.
I don't care if ALIEN 5 takes place between A3 and A4 or somehow fits in somewhere else in the franchise. A5 doesn't have to follow chronological order to me. It just needs to be good. Get a good writer and good director and I'm sure they can figure something out.
Or just get some fans to write some stuff for the franchise's next movie. Just get a bunch of fans and put them in brainstorming groups to create something. With streaming technology we have today, I don't think this would be a problem. Mandatory acceptance into the group should require membership of some ALIEN franchise website, like scified.com and maybe some other things. It sounds interesting to try for me. Nobody should get paid because I think it would be an honor to just be a part of the project.
In short, rewrite ALIEN5 to continue the story. I think that's the best option for the franchise.
That's unless Ridley Scott can pull out another ALIEN1 with Alien: Awakening or, at best, another success, to me, as in Prometheus.
Ridley has made two fabulous movies for the franchise and from his words after Alien: Covenant, he might be able to do it again.
As I was part of the original audience that watched A L I E N and part of an audience that lifted the film into its iconic status I try not to offer what I think, but represent that audience.
It remains an iconic film and its status as one of the best films of its type. However that does not mean you can keep on mining it. The Games and Comics it has spawned is a different energy and art form and whatever their success they do not lead to the idea you can carry on making movies. By the time of A3 the antagonist was W-Y the Alien Ripley and the creature a prize.
As Gavin has said if you call a franchise Batman or Superman you mine that idea reinvent and can add depth, it will aways have three dimensional potential. The ALIEN was a very original special effect with a curious and mysterious history. It represents male rape, inverts the hosting of a child and then behaves like an act of retribution. Thats it. The only interesting question is why, and that ship has sailed.
We all know in order to inject life into the second film JC introduced a subtlety different view of the creature and immediately devalued its mystery and uniqueness.
Covenant proved that is no more interesting than what it was in the first film except its behaviour lacks that all important element genuine surprise. Michael said he was glad at least they retained the notion of creation in Covenant by allowing the robot to create the Xenomorph. I have even heard people compare Robot and Xenomorph to the "New Prometheus - Frankenstein." Anyone who has read Mary Shelley's book knows that comparison is a travesty as well as inaccurate at a story telling level.
What he and Fox completely dropped the ball on is that the intrigue and dynamic of Creator and Creation is about the relationship between the two. The Xenomorph is a parasite with characteristics. It will either destroy David or sit down like a puppy for him there is no dynamic, no nuance, no subtlety there. Nothing like the dynamic of Mankind, with its sub created Robot in tow, meeting their makers and the huge philosophical issues that story could confront why this, why that, what about you, what does God look like. Paradise/Heaven/Soul etc etc
However here is the really important point which never gets discussed on fan sites which are pre occupied by fabric, lore and so called plot holes. A film needs two things :-
1) A great story with characters we buy into and not characters that never make mistakes which is another demand of the modern audience. WE MAKE MISTAKES THATS WHAT WE DO its part of the human experience.
2) To be well crafted with good flow and logic pacing etc etc.
This year coming we will all be blessed to see in amongst the disappointments some fantastic examples of those things. In the main they will arise because the story is fresh, the tale engages us with its surprises and we learn something about ourselves and a little about the world we live in.
That will not come from face huggers, chest bursters, the big guy, a Machiavellian company and the bad robot.
I agree with Ignorant Guy move on and if people enjoy comics and games as a cult genre leave it at that.
I can say with some confidence the audience beyond the core feel Yes that was great ALIEN but not yet again thanks.
Now do millennials with their fears aspirations, where half your audience is woman and are MeToo do they want stories were mad robots rape and dissect a woman to create a Parasite unlikely. However in a world were all the norms are disintegrating, our enemy is our friend and A I is taking our jobs then playing with. "Who the f... are we and where do we go and whats the point,"might hit the zeitgeist.
I wish you a very happy new year and would encourage you to not worry a jot about Alien films and superior special effect from 40 years ago and look beyond, wait for the surprise hit, the something you have never considered, thats whats exciting.
Michelle Johnston I agree, I think there is little left to mine from a film perspective (at least any time soon), as much as it saddens me.
The films have self-limited the available scope of the franchise and boxed any future films into a tight corner. Without a massive investment (eg. in say the form of fully-realised trilogy) to open up expand the franchise, there is little chance or getting anything but more of the same. Ridley tried exactly this, to break the mould with his prequels, but Fox got cold feet and bowed to negative reviews resulting in a ham-fisted, knee-jerked, try-to-please-everyone Alien Covenant. To Ridley's credit he did the best with what he was able, jamming it into a 2-hour film. And for the most part, it is an enjoyable film.
This type of creature feature genre will always follow the "overcoming the monster" basic plot structure (providing the Xenomorph is the central antagonistic force), BUT there is still countless stories that can be told in this universe without using the same tried and tested troupes.
The franchise needs a new platform to launch new and exciting stories from. Popular Streaming series like The Expanse, and the re-booted Lost in Space show it can be done and have benefitted hugely from the ability of the continuous screen-time streaming series allow. This allows developers ample opportunity to develop characters we care about, complex and interesting plots, hooks and cliffhangers that keep us engaged and theorising.
I personally just want to see the end of the prequels.Say what you want about them but David deserves that much.
I DON'T want Alien 5.Blomkamps film was cancelled long ago and needs be put to rest.Blomkamp has given up,though he continues to realize art work as if he's trying to catch Disney's eye.Mostly Alien 5 belonged to what has become one off Hollywoods dullest trends.Make that sequel to an old favorite "the one it always deserved."Put those acters in those roles and hope for the best.Mad Max And Blade Runner proved it can work(Mad max didn't have Mel Gibson to be fair)but on the other hand we have Indy 4(delete this film from the annals of history)Tron Legacy(decent...but forgettable,kinda like the original)New Star Wars(these are a really mixed bag)Terminator Genisys(hated but i actually like it)not to mention the one.Looking at all this i'm glad Alien didn't join these ranks
AVP 3...no...just no.So many want this,I've seen a rise in fandom for the first,but Reqieum should be an example of why not to make one.I'd like a new avp game,but on film they deserve to be forgotten.
Alien isolation movie i went over on a separate thread.A great game,but i think it would fall flat on film due to too many similar plot threads from Alien.
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I don't want anything from a streaming service if for no other reason than the fact streaming is outside my affordability range.I don't want to see Alien cheapened to a Netflix movie and definitely do not want a series.
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The AVP movies were terrible, especially the first movie. I'm glad Requiem pulled the plug on that continuity. Before AVP (2004) release, all of the alien and predator movies were consistent to their core theme and genre. While Alien bounced back and forth between Horror and Action Horror, it still retains that the xenomorphs were an ever present threat and an unstoppable killing machine.
Predator was an action movie that slowly shifted to a survival horror when all of Dutch's men were being killed off one by one and when Harrigan slowly discovered Danny's killer was alien hunter. The Predators were seemingly unstoppable foe: equipped with an arsenal of advanced gadgetry.
These two franchises worked better at being stand-alone movies. AVP messed it all up, it became more or less a Kaiju movie and threw out the elements that made the Xenomorphs and Yaut'ja scary in the first place. The Predators were badly equipped (even for a young blood), the xenomorphs were degraded to cannon fodder (before you mention Aliens, it was the colonial marines who where xeno-fodder, the xenos in that movie were still a wave of unstoppable death), the setting taking place on earth and in the present day and all of the retcons that go with it (Predators no long seek warm climates and hunt the local prey, now only go after a heat signature to kill xenos).
In conclusion: AVP sucked, Alien and Predator should be stand-alone universes at least movie-wise.
I just wanted to say publicly I took a lot of pleasure from reading your contribution. The perfect example of a post. Responsive, to the point and made in a very positive manor. I took particular pleasure from your phrase "Self Limiting" I use the phrase."Alien Straight Jacket."
Some people may not like or have access to streaming, but look how the last two movies (and let's throw Predator in as well) just didn't get the box office results most fans expected or wished to see. It's hard to blame a company for being wary of another venture.
Iraptus said it and we have discussed it before but it bears mentioning again- streaming allows time to develop characters and stories that no cinema movie (I know of) could possibly match in a 2 hour experience.
I can understand why someone might want a further movie in the prequel series and it may seem very aggressive to say, as I do, no more thank you very much but I have a specific reason and I will explain it as briefly as I can.
Michael Fassbender's interpretation of David in Prometheus is about two overriding qualities:-
1) His curiosity for knowledge including the one thing he supposedly lacks a soul, as Michael said he is knowledge but he lacks meaning.
2) His cognitive experiences in his very different relationships with Weyland and Elizabeth the latter of which was very nuanced and many layered. There are four scenes where he is learning to feel how to react with her before he begins to "fall apart" in his desire for Weyland's death. Thats not to mention the very intimate contact through the dream visor. It is clear that he plays David with a crush on Elizabeth in The Crossing and Noomi confirmed in a video IV, so no chance for misinterpretation, that she was directed by Ridley on the basis she was dying from the consequences of the mutagen. This was a bitter sweet ending to their relationship a far cry from the rape and dissection of the second act which I found emblematic of the fall from grace of the entire story.
This the eight upgrade of a cybernetic creature, utterly brilliant able to appreciate art in a way his 'father' was never able. He was rescued from an eternity of isolation until his power cells gave out by the one person who sought meaning in a way he did and I am suppose to believe he used her organs to produce a parasite and live in a cave and then turned into some kind of mad Nazi with his delusion of a master race no thanks. To be honest ending up as the Space Jockey and busted by insemination by Daniels the Queen would be the ultimate ribbing by Ridley of the entire franchise. He directed Covenant passive aggressively (I'll give them f...... Aliens) imagine the follow up.
I think it is also entirely implausible that Fox/Disney would now entertain another switch where suddenly Origae 6 is some kind of sub Bladerunner Story.
So either David as the Jockey or Alien completely hijacked by Bladerunner would have the monster centric AVP audience foaming at the mouth without the aid of a droplet of the pathogen.
To Summarise
Whilst I have a profound sense of betrayal at the loss of the audacity of Prometheus I accept that is a very personal view.
I can only imagine what goes through the mind of any one who finds David interesting at this stage of the narrative. Mad dysfunctional, now sexualised and with a desire to wipe everything out as his only purpose which ironically puts him in competition with his creation. A race to the bottom you might say. I would imagine you have got to be pretty angry to cheer that on.
Based on that thought I can see an executive looking over his glasses and saying for christ's sake bring a script with someone call Ripley in it. We need something relatable got it!
Which explains why I say lets find the door.
What first needs to happen is Ridley needs to let the franchise go. Give it to someone else. I don't think Blomkamp would be a good director for it b/c he's a fan boy. Liked his story idea though..it just needs to be handed to a fresh set of hands. Fox does have a successful franchise in the rebooted Apes trilogy and that's because they trusted to director and the people involved.
For now, Godzilla, that strangely innocent and tragic monster, has gone to earth. Whether he returns or not or is never again seen by human eyes, the things he has taught us remain.
I agree Ridley needs to move on.I'd try Alex Garland,Screen writer of 28 Days Later,Sunshine,Dredd,and director of Ex Machina and Annihilation (which i sadly have not seen yet)
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I agree and this may sound like a strange comparison. Star Trek went decades with different iterations and cast changes while keeping its over all roots. When it seemed worn out, along came Orville and breathed new life into the Star Trek spirit while being its own thing. I see no reason why the Alien Franchise couldn't go this route.
Steve Brungus is right- Scott needs to give it up and pass the torch. His son made at least one teaser for AC that developed characters in a few minutes better than the movie proper.
Hmm, that is a tough question to answer. What I don’t want is another David movie, at least that is something that I know. As long as the characters are interesting and the beast is kept in the shadows it could work, oh and less focus on androids.
As far as finishing the prequels it could be interesting but I am not like “Oh I must have another prequel to see how it all turns out”. Since we got Alien Covenant I am very much in doubt if they will be able to finish the prequels in a way that is satisfying since it is not very good. Unfortunately another Ridley movie would mean much more of David and that would be disappointing so I do not want that. No more David movies, I am tired of it. He could work if there are people that we can care for but now he is the full story and I don’t think that Ridley would change it so no thanks.
The thing about getting more information about Weyland Yutani could be interesting but as far as I know that is not in the form of a movie. Maybe the sort of expanded universe (comics, TV-shows, maybe cartoons if they are well done enough) is the best for the franchise.
By the way if they do an Alien 5 then they better not retcon Alien 3 because if they do I will be very disappointed. Ripley died in Alien 3 and that’s that. Even though they will not erase A3 with 5 I am still not very interested, just let it be. Also I wonder how many that would be interested in general outside of the intense alien fandom, I do not know.
Xenotaris mentioned the AVP's, which is interesting. Since we are talking about the franchise I think that we can bring up the failures too. I got to say that as bad as they were AVP was at least not painful to watch. AVPR is a huge piece of crap and is the only total failure that they have done in the franchise this far. Even AR and the prequels are good compared to that one. To me it seems like they thought that they were cool monsters so let's have them in the same movie so we will get some profits even though they did not think about the scripts and we got what we have. You got to think about how you use them and in what kind of context otherwise you will get a Jar-Jar Binks, something that does not help the story and that is mostly an obstacle.
I agree with the two point list that Michelle did, not very interested in the AI thing though. That is a little funny that Alien Isolation’s abbreviation is AI (LOL).
Yeah about streaming services, I don't use any of that but good for those that do. I hope that you will enjoy a streaming TV-series of Alien if you will get one.
"So either David as the Jockey or Alien completely hijacked by Bladerunner would have the monster centric AVP audience foaming at the mouth without the aid of a droplet of the pathogen." - Michelle J
I would really despise that, they have already done enough damage to the franchise already. Do not eff it up more than already has been done. Prometheus could have been expanded on, at least the Engineers was a part that I enjoyed. Mostly under-developed characters was its downfall. Keep the Bladerunner thing to that movie, do not put it into the Alien franchise because that is one of the reasons why AC effed up so screw it.
"Mad dysfunctional, now sexualised and with a desire to wipe everything out as his only purpose which ironically puts him in competition with his creation."
Ha ha ha! I do not want to scream at it so I have turned my disappointment into laughter but that describes the David in Alien Covenant very well. Alien Covenant was too much about David so that is one of the reasons why AC did not work.
"We need something relatable got it!"
Yup, as long as they have not found that we are screwed and will get more bad to average things.
Unfortunately I do not trust Scott with another movie, it would probably be more David. Give it to someone that understands that it is not about androids and that is about human characters above anything else. Once you understand the importance of characters in the genre (which Scott doesn’t it seems), only then I think will it become a good horror movie but until that day comes we (the audience) are screwed.
I feel it would be HARD to leave the Prequels in Limbo!
Some will still want to know HOW those Eggs got on that DERELICT and many would be wishing it wont have anything to do with DAVID.
They created the PROBLEMS via the Prequels by going the Chariots of the Gods, Religion, Soul and all that Philosophical stuff with more context to Mankind and our Humanoid Creators... Interesting and BOLD... but a FAR CRY from the ALIEN HP Lovecraftian ideas that could have been explored instead.
The Path of Prometheus opened up some possibilities however the PROBLEM... is how do you expand upon this and FINDING our Makers without Conflicting with the Franchise (were would a WAR OF THE WORLDS fit into the Aliens ==> Alien Resurrection Timeline?).
Going the route to expand upon the ARC of the Characters of David and Dr Shaw and HOW they could have changed, and WHAT they could have discovered is something that could potentially have many outcomes... it produces a PROBLEM in that however they executed this.. may not please what every fan would have expected...
People would also have wanted to HAVE those Xenomorph Answers, especially to WHEN/HOW/WHERE they was Discovered/Created and this could have been loosely covered in a Sequel, that would touch upon more about David/Dr Shaw but more so the ENGINEERS and purpose of Creation.
The decision to give us a Literal Prequel to ALIEN by having the events that transpire after Prometheus would lead to the DERELICT in Alien... Literally (means NO XENOMORPHS prior to the sequel to Prometheus). is simply a BAD CHOICE!
Then the way the Xenomorph was shoe-horned and dealt with did it NO JUSTICE the way Dr Shaw and the Engineers were Dealt with did-them NO JUSTICE
We are now left with the Franchise being about David and how he and AI will connect to the Weyland-Yutani company and Special Order 937 and the Xenomorph Eggs on the Derelict. I understand the ARC of David and find it fitting, but i also think his ARC was rushed... its like as if we had a WHOLE movie missing about how we got from David A in Prometheus to David Z in Alien Covenant, we got some details of what he became, but i felt it deserved more and the MAIN thing now is so many people are Disinterested in David, that its hard to NOW PIN the Prequels on him as far as being the Main GUY
Introducing the Xenomorphs again may only please Fanboys and if DONE WRONG could totally COOK the Beast. Interest in the Engineers could work but its HOW and IF its done right, the Company too... but anything that revolves around AI seem something that a Majority of Fans are not interested in. (By AI i dont mean David).
We have to stop throwing things under the BUS/CARPET if they feel they may not be of interest.... when things could be evolved and changed... the Engineers/Dr Shaw could have been explored and with the right Story it could have WORKED.
Giving up on David and killing him off may please some, but it could potentially be a loss as far as HOW they could have explored his Character, but a lot of the SET-UP has painted his Character into a Corner....
Killing off David, and bringing back the Engineers and Weyland Yutani may work... but if they $"%£$^ THAT up then there really is NOTHING that can help the Franchise.
No Bringing Queens or Ripley wont save it too!
so we are in a Right Pickle.... were what ever route they take with a Alien Covenant Sequel is likely to only please at best One 3rd of the Fanbase and Piss-off the other Two 3rds.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
So what are the OPTIONS?
Ret-con the Prequels?
I dont fancy that idea.... especially if the Ret-con is a MESS and also would a Reboot carry over the ideas that were redeeming from the Prequels... or give us a more ALIENS outlook on a Prequel?
Leave the Prequels a Mystery....
Were we can all Pretend the thought of the Xenomorph being a more recent Creation by a Mad Robot NEVER happened?
But then some would still want more answers to the Space Jockey and Derelict... answers that are FAR different to the route we seemed on!
I think the BEST option as of NOW would be to introduce a Parallel Prequel a movie set AFTER the year 2105 but certainly prior to 2079. A Movie that could deal in part with either/both of what becomes of the Covenant/Origae-6 or LV-223.... one that can give us some answers to what becomes of Davids Creation.... or a Re-visit to LV-223 where we can get clues to suggest the Xenomorph existed prior...
a Set of Movies that would indicated David Perfects the Xenomorph.... but this Perfection is LOST... leaving the Company to Peruse the Original on the Derelict in ALIEN.
All of this could have been AVOIDED! if they had gone a different sequel route to Prometheus!
Mission to LV-223 to give us a more Alieny yet Fresh Movie, that would give more clues to the Xenomorph as a Ancient Event. Leading to a Ending that acts as a Prologue to where David and Dr Shaw are heading!
Which we have to ASK... does Paradise have to be so close to Earth, is Earth the only place were Humans Live? Its understanding WHY Paradise was LOST and why we had events like the Great Flood, and in context why the Engineers would want to Destroy their Creation.. that opens up the Door to what the Paradise David and Dr Shaw discover could be. We need in that Context to only look at if you was GOD after the Fall of Adam and Eve... was the Action GOD had taken the only ONE he could have done?
So David is Failed/Dangerous Creation... they never Destroyed all Androids and Abandoned them... they created Walter... in all these instances KNOWLEDGE is KEY!
And i feel this is something Alien Awakening and indeed RS Raised by Wolves could be touching on... HITLER was a Evil SOB..... but what if you had the Frozen Embryo of HITLER and he was raised in a different Environment?
My point being.... the Scope of Prometheus is much Larger than to Shoe-horn in the Engineers Homeworld being so close to Earth!
But how do we have Human Characters if Paradise is say 10'000+ Light Years away? Well would you abandon Mankind purely because of the Flaws of a Few?
Or do you take some to Re-Engineer and Re-Start again?
The Problem with discovering a World with a Few Engineers and other Humanoids including Humans would be HOW would they speak English! They could have come up with some way to have Dr Shaw be able to understand a more Ancient Dialect via some Device or Memory Transfer.... so we only need SUBTITLES a bit!
A Plot where David could then bring HELL to Paradise could have opened up Retribution to Earth many years after the events of Aliens or even Alien Resurrection...
Because David could have been gone for over 100 Years!
Shoe-horn Paradise close to LV-223 and thus Earth for the sakes of Introducing a Direct Prequel Series that introduces the Xenomorph Origins as post 2095 was a MISTAKE!
BUT ALAS... what is done is done!
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Blomkamps Alien 5 had some good ideas... we have to remember it never originally would have had Ripley and Co... and so a Alien 5 that is set after Alien 3 and prior to Alien R could work.... provided they dont go the alternative Alien 3 route!
Hicks and Newt are DEAD!
But there is scope to continue with Ripley.. IF they continue with Ripley 8 i have a idea for that i have shared a few times... one that by-pass her Age, show what the Xenomorph DNA is capable of, and show the Philosophy of Prometheus and Ultimately the Price of Creation/Sub-Creation.
Revealing the True Agenda of CALL and the Autons.
Regarding AVP3
I think the AVP Plot was a Mess! The Video Games Plot and Time-Line is better and so a REBOOT of the AVP Franchise to tie it into the Time-line of post 2050 would be the way to go and IF done right would make a decent Pop-Corn Flick... that is maybe the Less Risky and more Profit route for Disney to continue the Franchises.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
I think what ever choice is made, we then have to come to a Decision about WHAT do we leave a MYSTERY and WHAT needs to be Answered.
ALIEN left some Mysteries, but the PREQUELS had opened up a lot of things, that lead to Conflicts and a lot of Questions...
Before the Prequels... we was left with the Xenomorph being a Cargo aboard a ALIEN Ship, that was located on a Moon some 39LY from Earth... Mankind (not on Record) had NOT encountered anything like this Alien Organism, or the Species that was Piloting the Ship....
We was left to assume that Mankind had No Idea where this SHIP and its CARGO and Pilot had came from, it seemed certainly there was NO OTHER Ships or Traces of the Space Jockey in the explored Universe that Mankind had managed by the year 2179 or even 100 Years after.
Which logically gave us the Reasons they would continue to pursue the Xenomorph on LV-426.... then Ripley after the Destruction of Hadleys Hope!
So it was SIMPLE.... the Prequels NOW leave us asking WHY go back to LV-426 after 2122, WHY pursue Ripley and WHY by the year 2379 is Ripleys DNA the only means they have of trying to Extract the Bio-Weapon that is the DNA
Things like LV-223, Planet 4, Origae-6, the Covenant Ship, David, the Engineers (do they return and from where) are all things that would come to mind, when we DO make another Movie.
My point being if we make another Movie, what Time-Line are we talking? And if we say after Alien but prior to Aliens... where we are again introduced to Xenomorphs... would going back to LV-426 and the Derelict just be retreading over the same thing thats been done over and over?
If we do such a thing.... do we leave what happens after AC a Mystery, were Fans can them think to themselves that the Derelict and Cargo is Ancient, and Davids Xenomorphs are not the same.... do we leave it that OPEN?
Or do those working on the Project take a look at the Xenomorph Origins and have the Exact Idea of where they came from.... and which ever route they RUN with, do they give us Clues that either draw us to ONE or the OTHER or that help to discount ONE or the OTHER?
There are many Avenues that a Future movie could explore, that Does-Not have to RETCON anything... Does-Not have to give us RIPLEY and that Does-Not have to Literally show us those Eggs getting on the Derelict and the Space Jockey getting infected.
I would say WHATEVER Movie they do... (provided its no Reboot of any of the Movies) i feel be it a Sequel to AC that happens directly after... or a Aftermath... for example in effect Alien Covenant is actually Prometheus 3 and so instead of giving us a Alien Covenant 2 it could be more simple to give us a movie set AFTER what Alien Covenant 2 would have been. Or if they dont even touch a Literal Sequel but go for a Parallel Plot another Movie set either between 2095-2105 or 2105-2120. I feel which ever route they could take and even if they make it a Sequel to Alien Resurrection or even a movie set after this Time Period.
I feel whatever Movie is made should have some Clues/Indication that either Solidifies or Guides us to confirm the Xenomorph Eggs on the Derelict were either there BEFORE the events of Prometheus... or AFTER the events of Prometheus.
But this does-not mean we have to literally see any such events... even a simply dialog could clear things up.
MELKONIS
We had tried to replicate the Xenomorph Strain that David had created, but after the Destruction of Planet 4 and LV-223 we dont have the means to unlock the Secrets David had discovered.
STANDARD
So what are our options?
MELKONIS
We have determined that our only option would be to try and obtain the Organism that the Engineers Created on LV-426
STANDARD
Do you think we could control these Xenomorphs, can we Evolve them like the Specimens David had created?
MELKONIS
I am not sure we can, but using Davids Notes maybe we can Extract the DNA and Engineer Qualities from it.
STANDARD
If only we knew were else those Engineers may have kept their Pathogen, it would saved us so much time!
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This would indicate that the Xenomorphs on LV-426 are Ancient, and David Re-created them... it would also indicate that at some point the Company could not obtain anything related to the Engineers Experiments and Bio-weapons on any place but LV-426 and it would indicate the Company are hopeful via the Xenomorph they can maybe find a way to discover how to Re-Create the Pathogen that allowed the Engineers and David to Create/Evolve so much.
Shows a Simple Short Scene/Dialog can clear so much up, while also leaving so much Mystery intact!
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Honestly, I think the franchise needs to revert to where it was going with Prometheus - expansion and new exploration. We need a fresh look at this timeless franchise and Prometheus did a great job of setting that up. Covenant was a step backwards, Alien 5 would be a deviation, AvP 3 would not work (yet) and games just would not do the franchise enough justice, canonically.
We need Scott to finish his vision and not be swayed by the opinions of those of us who refuse change. The beast is not cooked, but it's just not that interesting anymore. We know too much about it. I want to see what David does - I want to see his arc continue and I want to see the Engineers come back - discover what he's done and follow his trail to LV-426 or wherever they meet.
So, Alien Awakening gets my vote!
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