Ovomorph Objective

BigDave
MemberDeaconJune 05, 2020While we have had Numerous Discussions about the Eggs over and over, i would like to go back and TRY and look at them again as far as the PURPOSE!
Now some will think thats a SILLY Question, as they are where the Xenomorphs Life Cycle Begins... Egg, Face Hugger ==> Infects Host ==> Chest Buster and then our Xenomorph!
But i want to look beyond that... to look in Part at the Reason the Prequels Began... Certainly the Reason that some Fans would have Expected from a Prequel.
The Purpose may seem Simple if we look at them in Context to the Queen and see them as a Parasitic Organism that acts like say Ants/Bees they are there to Survive... If we look at them as such then are we looking at them being a Ancient Organism the Space Jockey/Engineers had tried to Exploit.. if so for WHAT reason? To use as a Weapon against Threats?
But it seems even prior to the Prequels that Ridley Scott saw the Xenomorph/Eggs as a Engineered Bio-logical Warfare.
Ridley Scott had said before that it was a case of discovering WHO would make such a THING and for what PURPOSE... This is a Question he brought up recently with his recent Interview with the LA Times
With Alien Engineers seeming to Indicate the Engineers used their (or maybe not theirs) Creation Tool on some Organism to Create many Variants of Xenomorphs.
Prometheus was more Ambiguous but seemed to indicate they had been using their Creation Tool to create other Horrors and the Xenomorph is connected to such Experiments.. but it was NOT so Spoon Fed.
What both ideas seemed to show was the Engineers had Experimented and Engineered a Organism to use as in effect a PEST CONTROL against Unruly/Unsatisfactory Creations.
We get to Alien Covenant and its Curve-ball is that actually David had Experimented on the Black Goo and its Effects to Create the Xenomorph.. with David though its kind of not as Clear cut to WHY he did this, it seems it was because he Wanted to see IF he could Create and Surpass what the Engineers had been doing.
So WHAT i really wanted to Discus is WHY and WHAT purpose does the Eggs/Xenomorph have as far as to WHY would someone Create it...
What i am getting at is are we really just seeing a Engineered Killing Parasite that is just to be used as a means of Punishment or Pest Control.
Or could the Engineers had been Experimenting on either the Eggs or their Descendants (so what reason for the Experiments on LV-223). For more than merely to Create Something to just use to KILL Humans..
The Same applies with David and his Reasons too.
In both cases.... then the BLACK GOO is a more Effective Weapon to USE! if you intention is merely to DESTROY.
So COULD or DOES the Xenomorph or prior Experiments have some other Purpose, or some Agenda to attempt to GAIN something more than a Face Hugging, Chest Bursting Killing Machine?
I made this POST in Context to eventually i suppose we would get to the CLIMAX of the Eggs on the Derelict, but i would like to think the Xenomorph was NOT just created just to KILL... or maybe it is as simple as that!
I think there could be a Thought Provoking Explanation... if we consider that RS had said the Prequels was about Creation, Evolution and IMMORTALITY... oh and A.I
Here is what RS said recently.
"What I always thought when I was making it, the first one, why would a creature like this be made and why was it traveling in what I always thought was a kind of war-craft, which was carrying a cargo of these eggs. What was the purpose of the vehicle and what was the purpose of the eggs? That’s the thing to question — who, why, and for what purpose is the next idea, I think.”
So does that suggest he is still going for that someone Created these as a Biological Warfare and nothing more...
Or could he be Questioning that Purpose to give us something more than just that, when we consider the BLACK GOO is a already Made more Efficient Bio-Weapon/Reset Switch.
For me maybe the Answer lies with the Beginning (Prequel Plot by Jon Spaights as in Alien 01 The Master Narrative) and the End... Alien Resurrection ;)
We need to Evolve the Beast beyond a Egg Laying Space Bug!
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
That's a lot to unpack but it brings back the basics of the pathogen discussed if memory serves. It seems it had a dual purpose: creating life as seen in the intro in Prometheus, and destroying life as seen in the Quadrilogy. For the quadrilogy, it points to pure destruction until humans and Ash start tinkering with face huggers and Walmart funds all out cloning.
Pretty sure one of the cut scenes in Covenant was the conversation between Orem and David where he confesses to find an egg, ad his experiments are for replicating that feral instinctive creature he found, that would explain in a "into the movies verse" the look of many of the main Xenos among all movies, since the whole "Alien/Predator/Prometheus/AVP Verse" was some how connected by so many Easter eggs, sadly from not so well received movies and video games, but also from many good comic books and novels since 1987 to this day, the eggs may represent what makes the creature it self most terrifying, the unknown genesis and the mystery behind the creatures, for example, the royal jelly of the queen has been addressed till the 2000's but Kenner made a toy about a queen dripping ooze in the 90's, and how that jelly/ooze has mutagenic attributes, so instead on the engineers making the xenos from the black goo, it was backwards, they discovered this species and the advantages it would bring, the black goo could be a derivative pathogen from the royal jelly
We need to Evolve the Beast beyond a Egg Laying Space Bug!
Interestingly, Resurrection was doing that but many fans hated it.
Interestingly, Resurrection was doing that but many fans hated it.
Not without reason! I said it before, I will say it again, I will always repeat it - YOU CANNOT CREATE SOMETHING UGLY and then say: "Hey! This is evolution! This is something new! Let's love it without questions. These are not facehuggers or chestbursters. This is a really new way. Don't think - praise! Yay! Yay! Yay!"
I find it quite ironic that smart people are always talking about something new, but absolutely forget about the centuries-old wisdom - "don’t fix what is not broken". If Ridley says that "the beast is cooked" (he, btw, admitted that he was wrong) or you need to explore new ways - it's just the opinion of one person. A man whose last films, let’s say so, have performed rather sluggishly. A man who doesn't respect one of the most iconic monster in world culture.
When you talk about the origin and purpose of the Alien, you forget one small but important detail.
RIDLEY DID NOT CREATE THE ALIEN.This is not his idea or his universe. In fact, he has no more rights to this universe than Cameron, Fincher, or Jean Pierre Jeunet.
Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett create Alien.
I am not talking about this for empty debate. There is two origins of Alien:
Ridley thinks the Alien is a biological weapon.
Cameron thinks the Alien is a natural, wild form of life.
But there is a third way. From the real creators of the monster.
Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett thought the Alien is a civilized being. Which has its own culture and traditions. I think this is the best way.
Maybe Xeno met the Engineers as is or caught primitive people and evolve them into Engineers. Xeno may have died out and donated their life-giving blood to humans/Engineers. Perhaps the Engineers tried to create people or even resurrect Xeno, but they only got bloodthirsty monsters.
The stone head of the Engineer in the pyramid may indicate the pride and achievements of the civilization of Engineers. But behind this head there is a fresco with a crucified xeno, which indicates that all the achievements of the Engineers are possible only thanks to the sacrifice of Xeno.
There are more opportunities, more soil and more interest than with the banal: wild animals, biological weapons, creation against the creators.
If Engineers created or stole the xeno/ovomorph idea, i'd think the xeno would be much larger than it is, right now it's human size, the xenos are small enough to fit aboard our starships, crawl around in our cooling/heating ducts. It really seems like they were created with humans in mind,.........also the facehuggers are just the right size to 'hug' a human face, the eggs are the right height to capture human children and adults.
I always thought the Space Jockey from Alien was huge and whatever had burst from it would produce something larger(egg wise). I can imagine facehuggers as large as cars(you'd need a ladder to look inside the eggs)!
Shaw's baby(trilobite) from Prometheus is what I consider alien, a large creature that a engineer could barely handle.
"So COULD or DOES the Xenomorph or prior Experiments have some other Purpose, or some Agenda to attempt to GAIN something more than a Face Hugging, Chest Bursting Killing Machine?"
Used correctly the pathogen creates beauty...contaminated pathogen is another story.
We've only seen the pathogen used improperly(David).
Absolutely Leto....
The Franchise Evolves/Changes as it goes along, Each Director does try and put their own Stamp on things.
It all began with ALIENS in regards to a Steering Away more from O'Bannon and Shusett initial Idea but we have to remember that ALIEN had changed things a bit regarding Giler and Hill.
But certainly looking back to STARBEAST then the Eventual Portrayal of in Effect merely Advanced Space Ants... or even a Eventually a Creation by a Synthetic Robot that is UPSET with his Creators... are BOTH not really what the Potential a Sequel to ALIEN could have led to... or a Prequel.
"But there is a third way. From the real creators of the monster"
so your REPLY is Certainly along the Lines i was trying to Engage people to think about ;)
When i talk about the Purpose of the Egg, i am also looking at to WHY we got to the Egg. As you pointed out about 1) Ridley thinks the Alien is a biological weapon. and also 2) Cameron thinks the Alien is a natural, wild form of life
Before we got to Alien Covenant we could have gone the route of (1) from (2) in that the Engineers saw this Organism and Felt they could USE it as a Bio-Weapon which seemed to be what the Companies thought in the ALIEN Franchise.
To be fair this is kinda of what ALIEN ENGINEERS had indicated that the Engineers had encountered a Organism that they then had Experimented on and Engineered a Biological Weapon in 8 Variants that they intended to use on Earth.
With such a PLOT it has to be then to explore WHY? and this could lead to HOW/WHY was this Organism that predated the Experiments on (LV-426/LV-223) seen to have Potential as a Weapon and then WHAT was this Organism like Naturally before the Engineers had encountered it.
Unfortunately it appears the Xenomorph/Egg are just a Experiment or Consequence.... its Story has a Background but i am not sure it can be tied to the STARBEAST..
This does-not mean that the Starbeast cant be Explored, for this could be another Organism the Ancestor to the Xenomorph, Deacon, Neomorph and all those Experiments.. a Organism that would be SIMILAR and yet Different to what we have seen so FAR.
The Starbeast Concept is Interesting... what we see is a Organism that has a Similar Life-Cycle to the Xenomorph, what we are shown HOWEVER is that they Procreate via the Egg Morph.
The Interesting thing about Starbeast however is that its indicated that this ORGANISM could actually develop some form of Civilization what we essentially had in Starbeast was a Abandoned Birthing Facility, the Eggs/Spores only remained. And our Starbeast/Xenomorph is merely a Juvenile that has NO Civilized Adult to Nurture it.
If we take a Human and imagine that we GROW from a Baby to Adult much Faster and a Baby has the ability to Hunt and Feed itself on Instincts... This Human left on a Island with None of its Species will GROW it will HUNT and try and SURVIVE... it would not be able to Talk, Create a Culture/Civilization on its OWN!
Drop down on a New World say Origae-6 a Group of say 10 Adult Humans and 20 Children and BRAIN WIPE them all.
And they are NOT going to Build a Rome in 10 Years ;)
So thats basically what we had with Starbeast/Xenomorph and with ALIEN it seemed RS wanted to explore the Intelligence of the Organism more and Expand on this in a Sequel.
So Potentially then YES you could go the route of Discovering the Precursor to those Experiments on LV-223, you could have the STARTING point as the Xenomorph but with Alien Covenant it kind of causes a Problem.. But we could surely Explore something that Predates LV-223 with a Organism that is similar and YET still Different.
Could this STARBEAST be revealed as the Mural Organism something that is like a Amalgamation of Xenomorph, Deacon and Neomorph?
Could it be the Creature in the Fresco?
But then we NEED to go and look at WHY would the Engineers come into Contact with this Species and see that it has a use to be Engineered to make KILLING MACHINES.
Because going from above and what i have discussed here then what we have is the EGG/SPORE is just the Starting Point of a Organism that without Nurturing by its OWN kind can become a Killing Machine and that Re-Engineering this Organism could make more EFFICIENT KILLING MACHINES
What i am thinking about is looking at the Connection the Engineers have and WHY and from this i think we could come to TWO kinds of Story that give more PURPOSE to the EGG than what we have seen.
For me again the Answer lies with the Starting Point Plot by Jon Spaights as in Alien 01 The Master Narrative) and the End Product... Alien Resurrection ;)
Within those could give us the REAL Purpose ;)
Clue would be with when Ridley Scott said that Prometheus was about IMMORTALITY ;) oh and A.I
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
@LtCmdr Jack Archer
Yeah we had that indication in the Novel, but the Draft that the Novel was Written from did-not have any of this and was more closer to Alien Covenant so it appears the Author ADF decided to add that to CAST some doubt on David being the Creator, but this is a Subject that has been Discussed on here a bit and not really what the OT is intended to discus.
But as far as HOW the Xenomorphs can Procreate and Royal Jelly, these have not been Explored in the Movies but Certainly something to Consider.
Regarding the Purpose of the Eggs well they are MERELY the Starting Stage of the Xenomorph Life form... which as Leto had indicated we could look at it in TWO ways.
1) A Natural Organism that could be Exploited to be used as a KILLING MACHINE by Virtue of how Aggressive and Destructive the Organism is.
2) A Engineered KILLING MACHINE used as a Weapon again by Virtue of its Ability to KILL.
I am thinking we could EXPAND the Purpose... go back to Starbeast and Turn it on its HEAD... and well WHAT IF the Starbeast are a LOT in Common with David/Walter ;)
But looking Beyond Physical Aesthetic ;)
Humans are Mortal, the Engineers are Mortal... David has the Potential to be IMMORTAL and what in maybe a similar way IF the Starbeast was likewise?
David holds a KEY to Immortality..... if only mankind could UNLOCK that.... their is a Difference between Our Soul and His Soul.... one for Certain can be Immortal ;)
Maybe the Engineers saw the Starbeast as a means to Immortality ;) #Ripley8
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
1) A Natural Organism that could be Exploited to be used as a KILLING MACHINE by Virtue of how Aggressive and Destructive the Organism is.
Eggs are cool, but I like black goo or spores better...they make sense, but pods and facehuggers make much better props and toys!
I'd think the indigenous species would quickly figure out egg pods are bad and to avoid them...and stop taking them back to their homes/ships.
Do we think one xeno could decimate an entire planet(or at least a continent)? That would be a interesting story.
"...HOWEVER is that they Procreate via the Egg Morph."
I wonder how Aliens would have turned out with Egg Morphs, instead of the having a queen and ovomorphs?
More cosmic horror and less a bug hunt? hmmm...
I wonder how Aliens would have turned out with Egg Morphs, instead of the having a queen and ovomorphs?
We can only speculate. That is why the prequels should go where they go and not be expected to link up directly to Alien. That ship has sailed imo. The prequels can go in new directions and I know as a fan, I would be ok leaving the Quadrilogy alone.
"PEST CONTROL"
I like this.
The eggs won't be a problem for the majority of living docile animals...A somewhat peaceful planet is the result.
Curious and large animals will be their target.
Earth would have been far different with a billion or so ovomorphs laying in wait.
Wonder if there are any dinosaur chest bursted fossils?
Regarding the Egg Morph vs Queen...
The Egg Morph could have been something more Disturbing, but as far as Efficiency then a Egg Laying Queen makes more Sense...
I have a Feeling that IF we saw RS get to make another 2 Alien Covenant Sequels then he would have explored the Egg-Morph again.
Certainly the Eggs are Cool and Horrific....
But from a Destructive Stand Point when the Engineers have Black Goo then for purely wishing to DESTROY or WIPE CLEAN a Worlds Inhabitants then the Black Goo Urns are FAR more Efficient for that Task!
From a Human War Perspective.... then NUKE is the Best Way to Destroy a Enemy, Quick and Easy... or you round them up and Shoot Them Dead!
But you do have some Individuals who would see to give more Horror and Suffering to their Foes... not Content with simply to round them up and SHOOT them or Bomb them... they conduct more Horrific Ways to Slowly Kill and Torture their Enemies...
Such Sadistic and Cruel People they would be... and well its got to be that kind of Depraved Thinking that would make someone Rather use the Eggs as opposed to the Black Goo.. Unless the Eggs could provide another Purpose ;)
The other way is if the Creator of the Eggs takes Great Pride in the Horror they Inflict or for some other reason they have a Great Pride in the Xenomorph.. for this reason it makes sense that David had Created them.. The only other Reason would be a Enslaved Rebellious Faction of Engineers become Obsessed with the Xenomorph and so its MORE to them than just a WAY to Eradicate Humanity. The Black Goo is better for that.
I will reveal my idea latter...
I will tease it a little now ;)
Jon Spaights had envisioned a Back Story for the Engineers, a Ancient Humanoid Race who was Once more like us.. They had Evolved and Advanced themselves, Managed to Prolong their Lives so they could LIVE for Thousands of Years, this Eventually caused them to become Sterile.
While they may Live for Thousands of Years, they are still MORTAL and can be Killed and Eventually will Die... what Happens when we DIE?
"The Engineers believe themselves to be on the verge of a great evolution, a Transcendence in which they will abandon their physical form"
From Alien 01 The Master Narrative by Jon Spaights.
So this implies the Engineers were NOT content with living for many many Thousands of Years or their Limitations of their Physical Bodies... they was looking for some kind of IMMORTALITY.
So HOW could they achieve or attempt to? What could provide them with such?
This is where we can then TURN the Starbeast Plot onto its Head ;)
I will ask you to Consider the Franchise... what could be seen as the ULTIMATE advantage or Gain from the Xenomorph or indeed the Experiments that Predate it?
Have we seen something that would have MET the Agenda of the Engineers searching for Ever Lasting Life?
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
So much doom and gloom in the movies and the franchise.
Maybe they should change tack a bit?
Give some hope....(then take it away lol!).
The pathogen could actually SAVE Earth and give it hope(Engineered correctly)....And with a little help from the Elders, we'll watch humanity step to the next level.
I entered the theater knowing the crew of the Prometheus was dead, same as the Covenant.
Aliens I didn't know if they would survive.
Alien3...yeah everyone was gonna die(or dead already)
A:R: yeah, everyone was dead...it was a surprise and a happy ending for how many survived! lol!
Ok here goes...
What i was thinking about was to go back to the Engineers, you see it seems the Indication was they Predated the Xenomorph (like it or not) and certainly with the Direction of Alien Covenant. What we seem to get with the Engineers and its what Ridley Scott calls them more than anything is CREATORS and so Creation was more Important to them than Destruction. What the Concept that Jon Spaights had began with seemed to Indicate our Engineers had became Quite Good at Genetic Manipulation and they have been able to Extend the Natural Life Span of their Species... this is something that Mankind would be able to do within Hundreds of Years, imagine our Life Expectancy in 500 Years?
But alas this does not mean we LAST forever... and from Spaights Idea it seemed with his Pitch he was indicating the Engineers were NOT contempt with Living in their Engineered Bodies and Living for Thousands and Thousands of Years... they appeared to want to LIVE for Longer and not be Constrained to Bodies that Can and Will eventually Fail!
In the Absence of a Real After-Life, in the Absence of a Spirit, then their Collective of Memories, Experiences that Shape them into who they are the SOUL would simply Cease to Exist.
You can be sure that Weyland had tried to Advance Medicine etc to Extend his Life, he then was hoping that our Creators would Posses a way to Extend his Life.
If we take his Creation which is David and we see David has became Sentient, has Ambition, Dreams, Desires and Emotion... as a A.I it is likely that David could have his SOUL uploaded into a NEW Body should his Body Fail or should their be a Upgraded Body for him (Walter) so in effect what we have is that David is kind of Immortal he has what Weyland had Wanted, he has what the Engineers likely Wanted.
How does this apply to the Ovomorph or certainly what ever Organism had Predated it all?
Fast Forwards to Alien Resurrection and with Ripley 8 we see that from her Merging with Xenomorph DNA, she was able to recall some of the Memories from Ripley, as time goes on maybe she would recall more... Could it be that the Xenomorph in her Blood in her very being had allowed for some kind of Genetic Memory to take place?
so how do we connect this with the Starbeast?
I think we could explore a Ancient Organism that predated the Xenomorph, that Predated the Outpost on LV-223. We take the Starbeast Idea and we Change it a little.
So we have a Ancient Organism that has some kind of Culture, Ritual a Civilization of sorts... but a Organism that has a Life-Cycle that is similar to the Xenomorph. The Starbeast could Egg Morph a Victim to Change them into the Egg Stage of the Organisms Life Cycle.
What if we Re-Invent the Starbeast so that from Death they have Resurrection. What if say each Starbeast could only Egg Morph the ONCE!
The Egg Morph happens either as with the Idea of Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett that the Starbeast requires a Host Organism to Turn into a Egg Morph... or we could CHANGE that and have it the Starbeast at the END of its Life-Cycle would CHANGE itself into a Egg/Cocoon.
The Egg Morph/Cocoon would actually Carry the Starbeasts Genetic Memory its SOUL so that it can then be Re-Incarnated again.... the Victim of the Face Hugger like Stage becomes the Host for the Starbeasts Total Re-incarnation.
If their was some Organism as such a Starbeast that Predates LV-223/LV-426 a Organism that we can see has some similarity with the Xenomorph, Deacon and Neomorph.
The Engineers could have seen such a Organism and its ability to Re-incarnate itself as the SOLUTION to the Engineers quest for IMMORTALITY...
This could give a GOOD reason for the Engineers carrying out Experiments upon these Starbeasts... WHY you could even go further and have it that the Engineers Ancestors were Enslaved and Reproduced (or even Created) by the Starbeasts to use as IDEAL VESSELS for the Re-Incarnation of the Starbeast.
Until a Rebellion... where the Starbeast suffered and then the Engineers then saw to Exploit the Starbeasts Technology and then try to Exploit a way so that they could try and Figure out how the Engineers could discover a way to Transcend their Souls into New Bodies....
But they FAILED.....
Such a PLOT would give Greater Purpose to the Eggs, it would FIT with he Engineers and Prometheus themes, it would ELEVATE the Ancestry of the Xenomorph.
It would show that there was Great Potential with the Experiments and Xenomorph but there was NO success in Unlocking that Re-Incarnation that the Starbeasts had... and so the ONLY use for the Horrors the Engineers had Created from their Quest for Immortality were only ideal to DESTROY LIFE...
But the Xenomorph Ancestry of the Starbeast still LIVED in the Xenomorphs DNA... just NO-ONE could unlock the ability to use it to GAIN a Immortality themselves...
UNTIL the events of Alien Resurrection via the Mixing of DNA the Clone Process where Ripley 8 had gained that Genetic Memory... unlocking that PATH to Re-Incarnation that the Starbeasts possessed..
This would give a Back Ground to the Prequels and take the Franchise FULL-CIRCLE with Alien Resurrection.
So there you have it FOLKS... what do you think?
I think it could WORK... certainly beats just having it that the Engineers or David purely wanted to Create a Horrific Killing Machine to KILL the Humans they HATE...
That would then Plague a World like a Infestation of Termites.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
I thought the eggs were on board the derelict because there weren't enough money to make the pyramid from the original script. There was also the theory that the ship was producing the eggs (the egg sylo by Giger).
Now, after the prequels, it seems impossible to go back to the original ideas, since the eggs have been replaced by black goo urns and David had nothing better to do while marooned on planet 4 than to experiment on the local fauna until he created the xenomorph. So we should ask David what's the purpose of eggs, other than for his sadistic amusement. I think the engineers have no part in this.
What was the purpose of the vehicle and what was the purpose of the eggs? That’s the thing to question — who, why, and for what purpose is the next idea, I think.
I would also ask, how did the eggs got on board? I have difficulties imagining somebody carrying them one by one, so there must have been a queen on board. David said he had one more thing to perfect, his queen. Let's say he succeded, but how did the queen ended up on a Juggernaut? And who is the Space Jockey?
If whoever will direct the next alien film wants to forget that David created the xenomorph, the easiest way would be to show the Deacon from Prometheus evolve into a queen, laying eggs on a Juggernaut from LV223, then the last surviving engineer taking off to find David and Shaw, unaware of the deadly cargo that eventually would lead to the crash landing on LV426.
"He survived, he’s now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"
Instead of David returning to LV426 or LV223...How about he starts finding derelict Juggernauts on his way to Origae?
He locates wrecked juggernauts(and other Engineers type starships)orbiting gas giants or the stars .....Boarding them, he finds more burst Space Jockeys, the cryo chambers store Engineers that have also been burst.
Many of the derelicts have ampules that David retrieves.
They also have different types of ovomorphs....4 chamber ones, .......Ones that contain a dozen facehuggers!
He takes them back to the Covenant.(to test them on the crew)
He also finds flatish ovomorphs ...that when disturbed...Spew thousands of spider like insects, they swarm him...He casually removes them from around his eyes, not wishing to harm the little babies....he lets many of them remain clinging to his 'skin' as he returns them to the Covenant, he returns with a empty space suit to collect the rest of the spiders.
David fills Daniels cryochamber with the spiders and wakes her..that'd be fun!
Or have David discover the spiders excrete a polymer and they are soon transforming the interior of the Covenant to something similar to a Juggernauts.
Also many of the ovomorphs he finds are fossilized(no longer living/active)
"I thought the eggs were on board the derelict because there weren't enough money to make the pyramid from the original script"
Certainly a lot had Changed from Inception.
The Starbeast Idea was indeed that the World the Eggs/Spores were found on, was ONCE part of a Lost Civilization of Alien Beings, the Pyramid was their Birthing Temple, a Nursery of Sorts.
There was NO real Space Jockey as per say, what there was is some Giant Alien Species had Discovered this World and out of Curiosity had Wondered to the Temple to Collect the Eggs/Spores to Study.... before they became Infected and Died but ONE of them Managed to set of a WARNING to STAY AWAY...
This kind of PLOT could be Explored as far as the Origin of the Engineers Experiments as in they had Discovered the Starbeast and they saw Potential in trying to USE the Eggs/Spores.
What happened with ALIEN was the Space Jockey was born as a Race that are Connected to the Eggs, and a Indication they would use these Eggs as a Bio-Weapon... at this point we could Conclude that either.
1) The Space Jockey Race had Discovered the Eggs and saw the Potential to use them for KILLING OFF other Species they saw as a Threat or Wanted to Eradicate.
2) The Space Jockey Race had Engineered/Created the Eggs for same Purpose as (1) to KILL.
What we do see is a Aesthetic that is Shared between the Ship and Xenomorph, the Space Jockey to a degree also.. so this could then give us a Option (3)
3) The Space Jockey are Enslaved to Carry the Xenomorph Eggs around to Worlds to allow the Xenomorph to Procreate around the Galaxy.... what Benefit does the Space Jockey have in this?
The Problem is that RS sees the Eggs as a Biological Weapon that was USED by the Space Jockey and so he saw the Space Jockey as being the Hierarchy of that Pecking Order the Xenomorph is merely a Tool of Destruction.
This is off course prior to the PREQUELS...
With the Prequels they could have had it that Option 3 was what the Engineers Ancestors Roles was before they Rebelled and Defeated their Masters and then set out to use the Masters Technology and Knowledge to their Own Gain and Experiments.
The Prequels began and instead introduced us to the GOO (Nano Scarabs in early Drafts) a Creation Tool and so if we tried to Connect the Xenomorph at this point we was left with these Options.
a) The Engineers used their Creation Tool to Experiment and Eventually Create many Horrors that the Xenomorph became ONE of these (whether by Design or Unintentional).
b) The Engineers came across a Organism that is Connected to the Xenomorph, and they used their Creation Tools to Re-Engineer Horrors from this of which the Xenomorph was a Eventual Outcome.
^^^This seems to be what Alien Engineers had shown.
c) The Engineers came across the Xenomorph and they had Experimented on them to Create the Horrors on LV-223 and maybe the GOO..
^^^This Option seemed Less Likely but seemed to be what a lot of Fans Wanted... RS had confirmed at this point the Xenomorph would have been via similar to Option a/b.
At this point we have to ASK what was the Eggs for and the Answer would seem they are either just the Starting Stage/Deployment of their Bio-Weapon or a Unintended Evolution of their Bio-Weapon.
The Ambiguity of Prometheus however allows us to Speculate if there was MORE to it than just to Engineer a Weapon for the Engineers, Certainly those Engineers on LV-223 had at some point become Interested in WHAT the Genetics of the Organisms they Experimented with HAD.... but this is a bit of a RABBIT HOLE. But one that maybe Mimics what David had done... with AC maybe they just Changed the Same Concept from Genetically Engineered Engineers to Synthetically Engineered David... but the Process/Reasons could be the Same.
By that maybe the intended LV-223 Engineers Agenda/Plot was just Passed onto to become Davids Agenda/Plot.
What i was proposing was to EXPAND and Deepen a Reason for the Engineers to be Messing About with what they was doing on LV-223 as purely for a Race of Creators who then Wanted a Reset Switch and Pest Control when a Creation gets out of hand..
Then BOMBING a World with Sacrificial Goo is all they would need... PERFECT Tool to Reset a World and KILL OFF the Inhabitants....
In that Context there was Little Point in the Horrors they Created on LV-223 or the Xenomorph... unless those who Dabbled in this had another Agenda and a Sadistic Mindset!
Which with David we can see how this makes Sense...
But i think we should look Beyond this and look at WHY would Engineers experiment with something that Predates the Xenomorph, that eventually we see in AR had allowed for Ripley to be Reincarnated in Effect in Ripley 8.
Such a idea i propose does FIT with the Alien 01 Master Narrative Plot of the Engineers not being Content with Living for Thousands and Thousands of Years, they wanted to Transcend their Soul! something which is touched upon in the David/Weyland Prologue when Weyland goes on about all the Achievements, Things you own/create are NOTHING if you cant LIVE or Appreciate them for ETERNITY.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
"David said he had one more thing to perfect, his queen"
Absolutely when you Consider that RS also said the NEXT Movie would NOT be about the Xenomorphs then its a Puzzle. I think some Fans will expect that we would be going to the Creation of a QUEEN.. but i feel they would be Disappointed... I dont think RS was going to give us the Traditional Queen. I would not be surprised if he would have Re-Visited the Egg Morph. He had said a few times that you can go back to the Xenomorph but you have to Explore other ways of Procreation.
I think we have to look at HOW those Eggs on Planet 4 came to be and the Indication is Engineered from Dr Shaws very own Reproductive System.... Dr Shaw was in essence his FIRST QUEEN.
We see in AC that David seemed Upset at Oram for Killing the Neomorph, as David was attempting to Communicate with the Neomorph, we can Safely Assume that this is NOT the First Time that he had encountered Similar.
But the Neomorph was NOT his Creation it came from the Black Goo, we see that David had spent Years trying to Perfect a Creation of his Own, and so he would feel very proud of his Accomplishment. He had proven to himself he could Surpass the Engineers in Creating a Monster.
But it seems he would likely want to find a way that he could Procreate his Creation more Efficient than what ever he had done with Dr Shaw.
As for how the Eggs go to the Derelict... maybe if you are a Synthetic or a Suited Engineer then you could Transport them but it seems a Painstaking Long Task. One that is NOT really Fail Safe as the Space Jockey Discovered.
So maybe the Eggs are Grown? We see in AC some Small Eggs. Maybe the Concepts from 2014 can give us some Insight?
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017