Centauri
MemberPraetorianOct-28-2016 7:09 AMamazing
Dark Nebula
StaffNeomorphOct-28-2016 7:19 AMThat Neomorph head looks better than I expected.(if it is a neomorph)
Btw,what could that be on the wall under the facehugger artwork?
Looks very skinny and has large head.
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Patient Leech
MemberFacehuggerOct-28-2016 7:39 AMOh, my god. I feel so naughty looking at these. Tried to save them, because I suspect they will be forced down by Fox. That one thing looks even more vaginal than the huge facehugger from Prometheus.
Something Real
MemberTrilobiteOct-28-2016 7:47 AMCHRIS PICARD - How incredible! The Neomorph looks malformed - genetically unstable! I am very pleased by these fantastic images! Thank you ever so much for sharing these with us! :)
Aorta
MemberFacehuggerOct-28-2016 8:09 AMMust...not...look...
theDiesektor666
MemberFacehuggerOct-28-2016 8:20 AMok im excited - so happy to see we have the face hugger back, i was worried that the creatures would be only born for tree spores - to see there's everything in here the fans want is great -roll on trailer time
Chris
AdminEngineerOct-28-2016 9:06 AMI also notice, in the background, you can almost see both a classic Xenomorph and Deacon(?) sketch on the wall!
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Here I cropped and improved the contrast / sharpness of the image:
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The bottom sketch definitely looks a lot like the Deacon compared to the rest of the props and sketches present in these photos!
Chris
AdminEngineerOct-28-2016 9:23 AMFacebook fan Daniel Woods sent us an image that he brightened up, which reveals a person in the background next to the Ampules / Urns, as well as the passageway on the opposite side of the room. This solidifies the fact that this is indeed inside an Engineer facility:
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JakeBranson
MemberOvomorphOct-28-2016 9:30 AMSweet! Love seeing the details in these shots. Assuming Shaw's DNA has been used to create these Alien Resurrection-like offspring...very stoked for the first trailer!
Rick
MemberXenomorphOct-28-2016 10:10 AM@ Dark Nebula
That looks like a cross between a spore and a virus.
That picture of the bulbous head and the tendrils undeneath.
Regards,
Rick
Chris
AdminEngineerOct-28-2016 11:46 AMIndeed, Rick, it does seem like a virus structurally. Perhaps this is what the spore is intended to look like, or perhaps this is a premature spore that was harvested from a host prior to its bursting? Seeing as though this is David's experimental room and given the other supposed failed creations, it's possible!
David 7
MemberFacehuggerOct-28-2016 1:38 PMThis made my day cause I was having a bad one. You guys rock!
David 7
MemberFacehuggerOct-28-2016 1:54 PMSo David has been a busy boy. As some have stated, he has been using Shaws DNA and alien goo, and whatever else has has found on the planet to experiment with.
Xenotaris
MemberPraetorianOct-28-2016 2:31 PMI hope nothing bad happens to Shaw, she is one of my favorite Alien characters alongside Ripley, Dallas, Hicks, Hudson, Newt, Jones, Apone, Bugsmasher (Xenomorph that ate Spunkmeyer and Ferro), Bigchap/Kaneson (Xenomorph from the first alien), and Winston's Xenomorph Queen (second alien movie's queen)
Chris
AdminEngineerOct-28-2016 3:08 PMI have a sick feeling Shaw will be used as a guinea pig for David, as he tampers with her blood and possibly even her body in pursuit of creating the "perfect organism". Either that, or Shaw helps David and becomes something even more terrifying, but again - not sure.
@David007, happy to know this improved your day haha :) it improved mine too.
BigDave
MemberDeaconOct-28-2016 3:18 PMThis is a interesting set of images, i replied on the other thread but i will continue in detail here (yep hope your mice have scroll wheels lol ).
It looks like some Ancient Building interior , it looks like it could be a lab set up by David to conduct experiments.... where did he get pen and paper however lol...
It could be another being prior to David, but again we have to assume Engineers maybe would not draw their work, but make sculptors to it, but we cant be sure... i doubt this is a Engineers little Work Shop.
It has the whole Prometheus Fire and Stone 2nd issue look to it as far as Francis and Elden stumble on a Cave wear a survivor of a previous ship that landed on LV-223 (Onager Mining Ship). This survivor who is not there now had been studying the Black Goo Urns, its effects and drawn a lot on the Cave Walls and into a Notebook.... in the Cave is also Xeno Eggs OPEN
So indeed it could be similar thing that David has set up, it could be a place the Covenant crew set up too, but as they are mainly Colonists i am sure they would be trying to run away from all this $"£%$" than experiment and take notes.
So indeed David's Workshop does seem to fit the bill.
However as i said in the other thread it has a Museum/Collectors look to it as well but while its likely the Set could be used for a Davids Work Shop Scene it also could be a place the Production Crew have set up to keep some of their concept Work and Props.
So its no Guarantee that all of these Creatures would appear, and its no Guarantee that most of the drawings are the Art Departments and not Davids..
We have to logically look at how does David study a Xenomorph in safety... what means would he have to trap one and prevent it from getting to him, as you can be sure it would rip him apart as easy as the Engineer did.. But who knows.
BigDave
MemberDeaconOct-28-2016 3:27 PMIndeed its interesting to speculate... finally some concepts from the Movie... How many would be used who knows.. i feel its a bit on the Spoiler side... but those who have studied the movie in depth and seen previous concept works and got a good idea how the Black Goo was shown to work, not only in Prometheus but also Fire and Stone...
And how they have re-used unused concepts before... people like that would roughly had some idea of maybe what we could see and also make no bones about it... those who have followed Ridleys comments and Cast Members know we are going to see multiple Aliens and that we was going to see Every Stage.... Egg, Face Huger, Chest Buster and Big Guy.
Whats interesting is they are not 100% the same as the Alien one in 1979.... but very connected.
I will try and dissect every piece of clue in those shots as i already have a idea of what and how they could be... And well Shaw has been busy.... but somewhat how does she birth traditional fetus?
Or is this where the Covenant crew came in? Handy to have Couples on board or is the Life David found or remains of actually pretty close to Human Life after all.
What am i on about.....?
Think Hard about this Photo...... maybe not to hard.... and with comparisons to Mammals Skulls there really is only maybe one conclusion...
BigDave
MemberDeaconOct-28-2016 3:34 PM@Dark Nebula
Yes thats a interesting image you blew up.... very Spore like and so maybe the Leak the other day does hold some truth.. i think its maybe more than Coinsidence since that leak and doubts that these images come out.
If i was secretly say the one who started that leak, as i actually had inside information and saw a lot of doubts... if i had photos to back it up... then maybe release of them would add credit to the leak..
This is not to say the person who made the leak, and leaked photos are connected however...
Ok onto what you was showing Dark Nebula.... the reply seems to hint at a Spore...
Well Star Beast referred to Spores...
Star Beast Mural Room.... not the objects/organism depicted on the bottom right. That is on the bottom of the Wall to the Right and behind the Altar.
Look familiar?
Chris
AdminEngineerOct-28-2016 3:45 PM@Big Dave, with regards to those small Human-like skulls... Are you suggesting Shaw is impregnated with human/Engineer offspring and then once born, are used as test subjects for David's twisted agenda?! My God that would be horrible... Imagine the agony poor Shaw would endure. That would definitely up the scale in terms of morally challenging concepts.
David 7
MemberFacehuggerOct-28-2016 3:51 PMThat would make sense. David would need Shaw for reproductive terms for his experiments. Keeping her alive would be necessary for David. She was able to have an alien before in her, why not again. Perhaps they will find her in his lab, barely alive much like Ripley found Dallas and Cain in Alien.
BigDave
MemberDeaconOct-28-2016 4:01 PMI will address a view of the obvious Xenomorph related things we see in these photos.... if only we had a higher resolution.
First Right into the Face Hugger
Seems Larger than the Alien one, it also has a extra joint and its hard to work out if it has 10 fingers instead of 8 the Original had... however the image is low resolution and there is something similar behind it which could create the illusion of more digits or even a centipede.... but its likely another Face Hugger Behind.
Apart from that it looks very close to our Original Franchise Face Huger, the anatomy of the area that impregnates its host is slightly different... i dont think these are a error of design where they forget a bit of visual continuity like the old Franchise did... i think this is a alternative Face Hugger.
The Xeno Sketch
This organism has some mild Xenomorph traits its not fully Xenomorph but its hard to tell from small image how much closer to the Xeno we are compared to some of the concepts in Prometheus..
It borrows elements from Prometheus such as the dorsel fins that are close to the concept for Watts C-Section Xenomorph Grown up... its kind half way between that designs and the Xenomorph as far as appearance of the body, so its kind of close to the Xeno.
Its Carapace is short, but upturned rather than down and looks similar to This Alien 5 concept.
But the body as far as how Organic like some Prometheus Concept and Bio-Mechanical like the Xenomorph is kind of in the middle like this image design below.
We cant be 100% sure but its not looking a Xeno yet but close... and its a good shout that sketch could be what the Main Monster would look like and what the only officially released Prop Image of those Hands came from that was Tagged "where it all begins"
The Deacon...
Hard to make out, and i doubt they brought the Deacon with them... but David could Re-create it and we have to wander surely David does not know what the Deacon looked like as they never stuck around.. but i would be sure he would wander what would it had been like.
The Head is not as larger to scale... it looks a little different but its so hard to make out... but we have to remember a few things.
The Deacon was part Human, a Baby has a larger head compared to its Body, this changes as it grows to adult and so does a few features.
And also we saw how a Deacon was created as Far as Shaws.. and surely it does not require much to re-create such a experiment again... and there is plenty of Females on the Covenant.
BigDave
MemberDeaconOct-28-2016 4:09 PMI would never suggest such a thing Chris... Shame on you!!!!
LOL
But yeah we have to ask what role do they play... surely the concept team dont go and make New-Born Human (or very Humanoid) Skulls for no reasons what so ever.
They are Baby Human by the way... well what fits..
So i think if these are in the Movie then they are indeed 80% surely to be Human New Born's or Un Born's..
The only other explanation is if Engineers could procreate like us, or that some other Race and not the Engineers also lived on Paradise, these heads look to small for Engineer Offspring if we assume Engineers are supposed to be 10ft tall.
Who knows... we certainly could be asking did Paradise have another Race like Humans on it? Was those Humanoids in the Scene of Disaster a link between Engineers and Mankind?
We dont know if these beings are 100% Engineers but they are connected... and can we assume they are 8-10ft tall? they have Females.. do the Engineers? or is this a previous Generation of Mankind as the Source claimed... Who knows.
It would be interesting how David obtained some Human related Infant Skulls and when.
BigDave
MemberDeaconOct-28-2016 4:22 PMHave to mention i think but its hard to tell that i can see some of Gigers Face Huger designs in the back ground as far as the shadowy shape.. as not detailed enough to say.
This is the one i am on about HERE
Also a few of Gigers designs before Production began on the Face Huger did indeed have more joints than we ended up with and so pretty much similar to this New Face Hugger.
Babyhead/Bambi
Interesting to see two designs that are based on the unused Babyhead/Bambi from Prometheus? How can these come about?
looking at how i think the Goo worked... i feel the same method that infected Shaws Egg.... if it infected a latter stage of development say a 8 weeks we have to wonder what the result would be and to me something like this logically fits.
The other photo from Alien Covenant being something similar, or a latter stage?
Finally for now....
The Mutated Xeno Head Prop..
To me this has the Ripley 8 Failed Clone look, and as if it was similar to the Ripley 8 Xenomorphs... Looking at the image from these leaked photos.... and my study of Prometheus i would suspect this is from a Advanced Infection similar to Fifields.
Question is.... would a Female infected like Fifield but in a more controlled experiment, be able to then Re-Produce and how?
We have to ask if indeed DAVID has this little Workshop he has been working on for a number of years post Prometheus and prior to the Covenant.... would SHAW allow him to do such a thing... and where is Shaw by the way?
BigDave
MemberDeaconOct-28-2016 4:55 PMThe Eggs
The slits are more larger than in Alien, and even more than Aliens which would maybe fit in with a Larger Face Hugger?
The design seems to look more like Gigers Original Designs a bit, and i have just had a look at various Eggs from the Franchise.
Then something dawned on me if we throw out the Derelict Cargo Hold, Throw out the Queen.... Look at Gigers Alien Mural....
And then it dawned on me..... Christ! what if the Eggs are Grown just as you would from Seeds or Bulbs of a Plant? We have under the Eggs these like vines, tupes that seem to connect to below the ground and to each other.
This would fit something more like something Grown in the Ground... which then brings me to Gigers comments about the Derelict being Grown like a Plant....
Not saying thats the explanation... but throwing other things out and looking at the actual Eggs and Gigers Mural then it makes sense... so maybe instead of a Seed we have something that grows to Worm like things that borrow inside the ground, somewhat and then start to sprout into the Eggs.
Maybe the Spore theory could work with that in that the Spores land on the ground develop into another stage then get rooted to the ground and grow..
surely a more Organic Giger version of this could Work?
HAPPPY HALLOWEEN ;)
Cant believe i never had this theory before lol... what the mind does when your busy looking at the various concepts and props of Alien Eggs to make a connection to the ones on the set of Alien Covenant.
Mizikame
MemberFacehuggerOct-28-2016 5:08 PMAbsolutely cannot wait to view the Scenes showing these grim wonders & how they are all relative to that bigger plot to span the Trilogy as well as how they may act & behave "unidentified lifeforms" (i.e. the part of the Covenant Crew that presumably drop ships down Planetoid B4 bringing more) in 3 Seasons from now Alien: Covenant ^_^
Chris
AdminEngineerOct-28-2016 5:45 PMWow, great theories Big Dave! I will address them all, but for this reply I want to take note of your Egg creation theory.
The Spores, as a result of Black Good infecting the local ecosystem. In order for the spores to unleash they must be disturbed. So, perhaps the spores themselves are an early stage of the Egg development? Rather than a house of Alien seeds.
Also good eye, catching the Egg design being more inline with Giger's original concepts. I personally prefer this look for them, they look amazing and creepy!
But yes, the eggs clearly have root-like appendages which seem to connect to other eggs and enter the ground around it. Notice, there is no "Hive webbing" around the Eggs in the photos leaked. This could of course be due to the fact that the webbing will he CGI'd in later, but part of me thinks not.
So, we have two very good theories to play with:
1) The Eggs are a result of the spores infecting the soil and/or soil-dwelling creatures, which then produce Eggs which grow like plants.
2) The Spores ARE the Eggs, but an earlier stage. Small pods, contain small spores - infantile Facehuggers if you will. If left unharmed, the pods grow into eggs and the spores eventually develop into Huggers.
Man, I think we might be on to something!
Aorta
MemberFacehuggerOct-28-2016 11:19 PMHaven't the eggs always had roots? That said, I support any idea that excludes a Queen.
Aorta
MemberFacehuggerOct-28-2016 11:31 PMMaybe those eggs started out as Shaw's children.
Materializer
MemberOvomorphOct-29-2016 3:56 AMHi All,
I have bee staring at the pics with all the creatures in that room with the ampules for some time. Its actually the same as the one Scott has been photographed in a while back, you know the one with the ampules in the background..
I can help but think this is not an actual series of shots from set.
As mentioned earlier in this thread, David acquiring pencils and paper out there on a distant planet? I guess not.. Theres more details that give away that this is more likely a very elaborate artists workshop. Details like; the bases of the stands where the creatures are resting on (slabs of stone that are minutely cut out of rock..), the nicely curved metal rods creatures rest on.. the way sketches are placed along the creatures, placed on the walls..
This is in my view an inspiration room, it is decorated, breathes an atmosphere that is like a soup that tastes Alien. I am an artist myself, spent years in numerous sculptors ateliers and the shots with the creatures def feel like from an artists workshop.
A very elaborate one, like from an artist that would actually want to eat - sleep - breathe Aliens.. just to really get emersed into the right mindset.. If this is the case it just demonstrates just how incredibly dedicated the artists working on AC really are..
YC-865
MemberOvomorphOct-29-2016 6:56 AMwhat is the thingie behind the egg in the facehugger picture?
could it be a carcass or a spore pod this the trees are huge the spore pods would be similarly large?
Chris
AdminEngineerOct-29-2016 11:20 AM@Aorta, I'm very curious to see how Scott does tie in this new method of Egg creation with the Queen concept introduced in Aliens. I don't see them retconning Aliens at all.
@YC-865, behind the Egg? I thought it was just a larger egg. Although the eggs and these spore containing pods could look very similar and react in a very similar way.
Lone
MemberPraetorianOct-29-2016 11:24 AMFor many years I was a Graphics Technician in a Biomedical Sciences department. This looks just the way the specimen labs were set out.
Specimens on metal stands, complete with diagrams alongside, which were hand drawn with added text.
On the walls were more anatomical drawings. There were also plastinated specimens which had cut throughs to show the inner cavities and vessels of brain, heart, whatever.
This could be an ancient teaching lab of MORB Anatomy!
Lone
MemberPraetorianOct-29-2016 11:52 AMIf you look closely you will see that each specimen has a diagram alongside...
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Remember these Facehugger designs for a poster and crew clothing? At the time, I said they put me in mind of an ancient Anatomical Manuscript!
Lone
MemberPraetorianOct-29-2016 11:57 AMWhat I am thinking is...David finds this lab and does some designing of his own!
Rick
MemberXenomorphOct-29-2016 1:01 PMGuys,
If you look at facehugger picture. You'll see what likes like tiny little raptor skeletons behind the legs on the left side of the facehugger. Also there looks like praying mantis forelimbs on the other side.
In DN's post where he points out the bulbous head of the neomorph drawing there looks like several different drawings of stages of egg sacks and/or possibly spores to eggs drawings right next to it.
Chris
AdminEngineerOct-29-2016 1:17 PMYes, that does support my one theory that the spore pods actually develop into Eggs over time. As for what's behind the Hugger, I thought it was just another Facehugger.
@Lone, I noticed the diagrams as well! Each one with side notes and a schematic type set up. Whether these are crew notes or David's from the film, I'm not sure however. It looks more like a museum than a workshop.
Chris
AdminEngineerOct-29-2016 1:23 PMI want to know what these diagrams say!
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Aorta
MemberFacehuggerOct-29-2016 3:18 PMHey Lone I was wondering where you were!
I just don't think this is a set. I think it's some very artfully arranged props. But I guess you never know. I just imagine David has better, more horrible things to do with his time, and a 3D memory he can examine at will.
I'm also imagining Engineer tools to be less rustic? This really just raises more questions, and it's interesting there's been no demand to take these images down.
Thoughts_Dreams
MemberNeomorphOct-30-2016 5:29 AMChris P: Thanks for the post, it seems interesting. I wonder what kind of experiments that made these results?
Even though I like the post I am afraid that they will leak too much so the movie will be less of a surprise. Hopefully there will be a lot in this movie that we won’t know anything about. I hope that there will be some new monsters that we haven’t seen before which the leaked photos seem to suggest. Maybe not all of these monsters from the museum like picture will be in the movie but at least some of them would be interesting.
As far as where Shaw is, maybe she is locked in some room where she can be controlled by David in order for her to be used in his experiments if that is what he is doing. I wouldn’t mind if she won’t be in the movie at all, it would probably be better that way.
Aorta: Yeah I hope that they won’t use the idea of a queen in this movie. It would make ion more mysterious and interesting if they would use another explanation what ever that would be. What if they were first created in a lab and then these monsters in turn create species that are created in different ways where they don’t need a queen?
Lone
MemberPraetorianOct-30-2016 5:49 AMHaha....I'm still breathing NOOB!
Now why would there be a set of ancient rusted medical callipers on the table?
Certainly makes this feel like a museum of sorts.
Closer2God
MemberOvomorphOct-30-2016 8:07 PMSomething about this reminds me of the alternate CGI mutated Fifield. The shape of the head and length of the arms.
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Membrane
MemberFacehuggerOct-31-2016 8:32 AMWhich came first, the chicken or the egg? :-)
I wonder what these things are...
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shambs
MemberOvomorphNov-02-2016 10:43 AM@Membrane, look like dinosaurs or birds. Perhaps a native creature of the alien planet...
brego
MemberOvomorphNov-05-2016 3:28 PMhmmm. I dunno. I have a feeling that these images are faked and or are actual props set up for some spoiler images. Why would an android need to draw biological study images? Where did the paper come from and or the drawing implements? Something doesn't ring true for me sorry. It all looks like a fanboy diorama. I like some of the designs though.
Chris
AdminEngineerNov-08-2016 9:14 AMFox finally reached out and asked that I remove the images, so I have updated the OP and removed the original images. Sorry, folks!