Centauri
MemberPraetorianAug-29-2016 11:48 AMI can't wait, what can i say? lol :D
Michelle Johnston
MemberChestbursterAug-29-2016 12:09 PMHi Matt,
Is this not the same article and you are the same Matt or is this an alternative universe ha ha !
http://www.scified.com/news/alien-covenant-will-be-scarier-than-prometheus
Chris
AdminEngineerAug-29-2016 3:39 PM ^ It is, but at the time of that article, Collider hadn't released the interview in full. Now they've decided to release more of what Fassbender said.
Michelle Johnston
MemberChestbursterAug-29-2016 10:12 PMChris it is not desperately important this is a "fun" site but if I was posting a follow through rather than just click "update" which didn't register I would say some thing in the text like you did, just to make the link. The points highlighted in the text were in fact made in the previous post.
As an aside I watched Macbeth a few days ago everything Michael touches seems to be gold to me.
Finally I watched Resurrection last night and like "SM" immediately reminded of the portable cryo tube "container feel" of the recent reveal with our mysterious woman in. I also noticed the "Betty" was described by Ripley as being as old as Ripley placing the ship in the same technological era as Covenant.
Xenotaris
MemberPraetorianAug-30-2016 4:10 AMI can't wait for this Film!
Diz
MemberFacehuggerAug-30-2016 5:26 AMThat's interesting insight from someone who has worked with Ridley.
Patient Leech
MemberFacehuggerAug-30-2016 6:43 AMIt is very exciting to hear this stuff coming from Fassbender. He's such a great actor, very good at his craft.
DenzelTH
MemberOvomorphSep-21-2016 1:03 AMI wanted it to literally carry on with David and Shaws story, but this all sounds good.
David's gonna be an evil bastard.
Patient Leech
MemberFacehuggerSep-21-2016 6:24 AMSee I really don't think David is evil. In Prometheus he was just following Weyland's orders and would find reasons to justify certain questionable actions that other people with stricter moral principals wouldn't do. Now that he doesn't really have a master giving him orders I think he might become more like a curious child, playing with his surroundings just to learn, because that's more like his programming. I don't think he's programmed to be bad. He's more programmed to interact and learn. But that of course could lead to more questionable behavior...
Thoughts_Dreams
MemberNeomorphSep-21-2016 8:21 AM Dentzel TH:
I am not sure if it is a matter of being evil when it comes to David. In order to have morals we got to have a free will (see Kant on this one) but since robots don't have a free will then they can not be evil. Sure they can do bad things depending on their programming (if we say that there will be robots as advanced as David) but that is not to say that they are evil the way we consider it to be.
As far as David's and Shaw's story I am interested in seeing what David will do, I am less interested in Shaw but I hope that she will be better written in this movie.
CarynParnall
MemberOvomorphSep-26-2016 6:46 PM@Thoughts_Dreams
I have a feeling that we'll deal with many ideas about freewill and morality in Covenant.
When Dr. Shaw asks David what he'll do after Weyland is dead, David says that he imagines he'll be free after that. This shows that David was kinda thinking ahead...but in reality, he'd still have a ways to go before he's truly free.
The mythological Prometheus is related to the concept of foresight; whereas, Epimetheus is more about hindsight. Miss Shaw and Miss Vickers each had a certain degree of foresight. Both of them knew that there was "only death" down there, and they both tried to warn Weyland that if he went down there he was going to die. David remains silent on this, and DOESN'T warn Weyland about his impending demise.
The W-Y Report mentions that David is a privileged android, who may have been given a little freedom of choice over how to carry out and interpret his orders. He's extremely intelligent, so he realizes that the "wiggle room" he's been given over his choice of words will allow him to exploit further loopholes. He "tricks" Holloway into agreeing to a verbal contract. Holloway claims he will do "anything & everything," thus he can't really complain about the way David chooses to interpret it. He agreed to their Covenant; he gave permission.
Despite imagining himself to be free after Weyland dies, David can't even possibly begin to imagine the next steps of his adventure without Shaw. He's still not a "real boy" and only has a little freedom of choice. So he doesn't even know how to start planning his agenda. It might take him close to 10 years to even generate his own plans. He can't even imagine what he would do with the freedom. It was impossible for David to think that far ahead. He needed Weyland dead first. It wasn't a want; he simply realized that he needed to see his father dead before even thinking about freeing himself.
His programming would normally force him to try to return to a company location to receive new orders, but with Dr. Shaw being the sole survivor (and becoming the sole person in charge) he's forced to comply with her request to go the Engineer home planet. (instead of going back to Earth)
The scope and scale of this film could be even bigger than what Fassbender is hinting towards. There are different directions they can take, because there are a lot of concepts to work with. Some of the depictions of the ancient past can take us to places and times that may be quite surprising. The scope and scale of the new colony also needs to be considered: this isn't the type of planet you place a shake 'n bake colony on, so a bigger crew will be needed to lay the foundations of what is to come.
Apacheizm
MemberOvomorphSep-30-2016 7:26 PMAwesome stuff. Can't wait..