Pandemonium
Ingeniero
MemberPraetorianMar-23-2017 2:21 PM
Pandemonium
Ridley Scott has cited Christian history (see below quote, "very bad" meant killing Jesus in regards to the timeline) and the poem Paradise Lost when explaining story drivers. It is just that Ridley Scott chose a crucifixion in a time of many crucifixions as different from the rest of those hung on a cross, 2000 years ago.
"We did something very, very bad, and somehow the consequences of that dreadful act accompanied the Engineers back to LV-223 and massacred them. If you have uneasy suspicions about what 'a bad thing approximately 2,000 years ago' might be, then let me reassure you that you are right.”
Ridley Scott, movies.com
(Pandemonium is also the name of the City, where Satan has his seat of Power, they (Demons) built this place and it is kind of like Satans Headquarters; Pandemonium would also describe a Hell Breaking loose, and a Outbreak that results in Xenomorphs as the Poster shows would be such a event. Thank you BigDave.)
Does this image below show Pandemonium?
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 13:42
It is also not a secret that the concepts of Paradise Lost made a huge impact on Ridley Scott's team in developing the concepts of Prometheus and many topics on this board have covered it at length.
The concepts shown in Prometheus in relation to Paradise Lost were the Fallen Angel progeny, the worshipped Nephilim Giants (Engineer's relation in Dr. Shaw's notes below).
Is the xenomorph image above Ridley Scott's interpretation of Pandemonium and will we see the same concepts (Christian History, Paradise Lost) manifested in Alien: Covenant?
BigDave
MemberDeaconMar-29-2017 12:38 AMWe still cant rule out of indeed some-kind of Outbreak had happened and then something else was used after to basically Destroy/Prevent such a Outbreak.
Like a Fail Safe Device... it would be like a Walking Dead Scenario if we or some Nation created a Virus that turned everyone into Zombies and then invented a second Weapon that would then render all the Zombies to Dried out Corpses.
But in context to this, it would puzzle me why David would use Black Goo to infect the Engineers and then use something else to Fry the Engineers.
It makes more sense that this happened a long time ago, and the Dome Cathedral was used as some kind of Fail Safe Device to wipe them out to Prevent the effects of the Outbreak.
So yes chli we cant rule out a outbreak/mutation and then something else used to prevent this.... but this would make more sense if it was a Ancient Event.. To Prevent a Outbreak
Otherwise why would David not resort to what ever he used to Burn/Mummify those beings instead?
So it will be interesting to see what these Scenes are about and When and How they happened.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Little Newt
MemberOvomorphMar-29-2017 1:40 AMHi Folks - humbly asking for clarification regarding the following...
"We did something very, very bad, and somehow the consequences of that dreadful act accompanied the Engineers back to LV-223 and massacred them. If you have uneasy suspicions about what 'a bad thing approximately 2,000 years ago' might be, then let me reassure you that you are right.” Ridley Scott, movies.com
Am I correct inferring that that very bad deed was mankind's crucifixion of Jesus on the cross 2000yrs ago? If so, what exactly are the "consequences of the act" that Ridley is referring too? And why would those consequences accompany them back on their spaceship, then massacre the Engineers on LV-223? I really do not understand this at all...
chli
MemberChestbursterMar-29-2017 6:02 AMLittle Newt: I suppose one possibility is that the engineers, after having witnessed mankind's downfall (murdering Christ), they went to LV-223 to create a weapon of mass destruction (the intention being to wipe out mankind and start from the beginning again). However, something went wrong with the engineers' experiments and it turned against them . . .
chli
MemberChestbursterMar-29-2017 6:08 AMBD: Yes, there are puzzles in abundance. I wonder, if "Paradise" was the home world of the engineers and they decided to experiment on LV-223 (in order to protect Paradise), why would they need a fail safe device?
BigDave
MemberDeaconMar-29-2017 6:52 AMI would not read to much into the Christ thing, i think we need to remember the Biblical connections will be loose, and offer a alternative insight to those events.
And so Christ was just a interpretation of a most likely Engineer Emissary or Hybrid Emissary that was sent to guide Mankind back on Track as the Human Race around the area of the Cradle of Creation on Earth so the area around where Israel/Syria/Iraq is now and within a certain Radius had started to behave in ways that was opposed to how the Engineers intended for us.
Other Ancient Cultures maybe did not turn out as offensive to the Engineers as the Middle East/Eurasian Areas... so maybe other Ancient cultures that became the Mayans, Native Indians etc... maybe they also had a Emissary sent down but they did not revolt against and kill theirs?
Maybe this explains the latter than 2000 years old Star Maps
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Ingeniero
MemberPraetorianMar-29-2017 8:04 AMLittle Newt, thank you for this type of question.
The context of what Ridley Scott was saying in the quote you cite was in relation to an attack on LV-223 shown in Prometheus around 2000 years ago. He, Ridley Scott, made the connection with the putrid state humanity was in at the time during the last stages of the Roman Empire.
This concept has been discussed many times by many talented contributors. Gareth and BigDave covered this topic in 2013.
"If you look at it as an 'our children are misbehaving down there' scenario, there are moments where it looks like we've gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, 'Let's send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it.' Guess what? They crucified him."
Ridley Scott
The Romans crucified Christ. The connection I made was that Ridley Scott chose that a single (Jesus') crucifixion was very, very bad during the time the Roman Empire was known very well for how often they crucified people for many different reasons. The crucifixion machine was well oiled and up and running during the Roman Empire and Ridley Scott segregated one single crucifixion as different from the rest of the many that were crucified 2000 years ago.
BigDave is correct when advising caution with direct links to Jesus' crucifixion. The Prometheus events up to the Alien: Covenant released material shows traits from different cultures and religions.
The attack on LV-223 about 2000 Years Ago
Someone interceded on humanity's behalf to stop the Engineers on LV-223 with an attack that killed them (shown below).
With the loose connections to Christian history concepts and the more firm connections the Nephilim Giants progeny story (the Ancient Aliens TV program loves to cite this) , I speculated that maybe the black goo was divine and the Nephilim that intended to attack humanity (Engineer plan to destroy Earth unveiled by David 8 on LV-223) was disrupted by Watcher angels.
The Nephilim are the children (Giants) of the Fallen Angels in the Bible that polluted the gene pool of humanity and brought on the cleansing flood spoke of in the story of Noah.
I thought with these connections, is the third party that attacked the Engineers on LV-223 Watcher Angels?
“When men began to multiply on the face of the Earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and took them wives of all which they chose.”
Genesis 6:1-4
The below quote is from a deep article on the subject discussed here.
"In the esoteric Luciferian tradition they were a special elite order of angelic beings created by God to be earthly shepherds of the first primitive humans. It was their task to observe and watch over the emerging human species and report back on their progress.
However they were confined by the divine prime directive not to interfere in human evolution. Unfortunately they decided to ignore God’s command and defy his orders and become teachers to the human race, with unfortunate repercussions for both themselves and humanity."
http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/articles/enoch-the-watchers-the-real-story-of-angels-demons
Did "angelic beings created by God to be earthly shepherds" wipe out the Engineers on LV-223 because they were doing their job?
Were these earthly shepherds looking out for humanity when the descendants of the Fallen Angels (Engineer, Nephilim Giants) meant to destroy Earth?
Ingeniero
MemberPraetorianMar-29-2017 8:16 AM"I wonder, if "Paradise" was the home world of the engineers and they decided to experiment on LV-223 (in order to protect Paradise), why would they need a fail safe device?"
Great question again. Thank you for this discussion chli. I do look forward to the respectable debates I share with you, BigDave, and others on this forum. I appreciate all of you.
The need for a fail safe device would be the same reason Weyland-Yutani Corporation is the leader in arms sales.
Space is a tough neighborhood and you don't know who is going to show up with a different opinion. A fail safe devise (temple weapon) may be the last firewall against a foreign force that could show up to the Engineer home world. I do think that is what Paradise is.
SteveRogers1973
MemberFacehuggerMar-29-2017 11:27 AMI have to say, I'm sure that if Sir Ridley himself ever visited this forum, he would have to be pretty damn impressed. You guys really dig into stuff on here and but a lot of effort into these discussion. I'm sure I speak for most when I say "Thank you"
Ingeniero
MemberPraetorianMar-29-2017 12:08 PMSteveRogers1973, I can't imagine a better compliment to receive on this forum. We do have awesome contributors. Thank you.
Little Newt
MemberOvomorphMar-29-2017 10:20 PMchli: Many thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts – Yes I too was thinking exactly along the same lines, but then got myself tripping up on Ridley’s “exact wording” and the confusion generated was obviously because I was reading more into it! lol
BigDave and Ingeriero: Very indebted to you both to take time out to reply and clarify things for this little Alien fan. Also THANK YOU so much for the links! I only came across this wonderful site a couple of months ago, and only joined recently, so have unfortunately missed a lot of the “nectar” that has been generated in the past.
SteveRogers1973: I wholeheartedly agree!!!!
Ingeniero
MemberPraetorianMar-30-2017 7:53 AMLittle Newt, it is an honor and my pleasure.
chli
MemberChestbursterMar-30-2017 12:21 PMDon't mention it, Little Newt. You had already thought of it yourself anyhow. :)
Ingeniero
MemberPraetorianApr-15-2017 7:54 PMHere are additional shots of the temple.