Creatures on the mural returning for Covenant?

This has bugged me since 2012.  The damn fresco in the Head room.  I really hope they connect the mural and the Fresco to a bigger meaning.  The creature in the image resembles the chair in the Juggernaut in so many ways- 

The more I see this the more I think this is the hint of how the Big Chap comes about.

Notice the leg of the engineer looks as if a neomorph is bursting out of it and the shoulders of the creature seal it for me that's some part of the basis of the big chap right there.

I know that Big Dave and others have gone into great depth over this image on previous threads, but I think they'll pop in and give their theories anyway.

That's not a neomorph popping out of the leg, it's the left knee (bent) of the kneeling "aviomorph" creature.

Starlogger I stand corrected.

Davefried81 Holy shit you're right. The arm/back of the suit on the Space Jockey look exactly the same as the creature's torso. The rib pattern looks identical. Also I've had a long, close look at it's head; definitely identical to the Space Jockey helmet, the eyes are difficult to see but they are there... So this is the creature their suit is based on?

Jim Pills agreed regarding the shoulder bulge, I hadn't noticed that earlier.

i have been desperate for anything on this creature, ive been thinking over the years what it could be? 

i hope covenant will shed some light, however im not so sure, there doesnt seem to be much opportunity for too many reveals.

i wondered if the engineer was seen as prometheus getting his stomach pecked for eternity.

now prometheus gave man the gift of fire. 

was this how we may of beat an invasion of the black death.

did we use the fire given as a tool to defeat an invasion of sorts.

did the engineer have some form of power over this creature, giving the submissive, child like pose.

anyone got any knowledge / ideas on this creature?

M577 I have always felt that the creature in the mural somehow enhanced the Engineer species with the bio mechanical addition when an Engineer sits in the chair.  Still a firm believer that the Big Chap, or close to it is a product of the Space Jockey in Alien having a chestburster.  In Alien we see a huge hole in the Space Jockeys chest leading me to believe the born Xeno takes on bio mechanical traits.  Just my thought!

@Davefried Yep, I've gotta believe that as well.

Well this was a very very ambiguous fresco, that was accompanied by another that is not clearly shown in Prometheus.

This seems to show a connection between Egg and this creature which i think is the same one that is in the other fresco with the Engineer.  This maybe implies this creature is connected to the Egg, and Xenomorph.  Now Prometheus was a Prequel that would loosely tease us something of the Origin of the Xenomorph and i feel at that TIME (idea could be changed now) then they had pondered these Frescos are connected.

So this LV-223 place was a place these Engineers was working on some Bio-Weapon that is related to the Xenomorph, Spaights draft showed the Outpost is where they was working on many variations of some Organism as a Bio-Weapon.  So lets just consider that and then assume the Frescos and Mural are tied to the Experiments.

These Frescos are either something that predates the Xenomorph or Evolves from it it is either the Alpha or the Omega.

Then when i look at the shot of HR Giger on set in Alien and with his photo taken with a Egg, i can see the similarities to the one Fresco, which would could mean that the Fresco Creature is the Creator/Origin of the First Egg?

This is how i look at the Frescos... but the EGG one was not seen clearly and so even if you pause Prometheus you will not make out a Egg clearly at all... and so this shot could be taken out of Canon and never existed.

Back to the Original Fresco that was seen enough in Prometheus, some indeed look at this as a Adam and God Fresco...

Its a good theory that has basis because indeed the Engineers are the Space Jockey and all along it was implied the Space Jockey was behind those Eggs, they in some part had a connection and Prometheus threw down the Black Goo which they had been inclined to had created which is connected, and so we could look at the Engineers having played some role in the Creation of the Bio-Weapon.

The Fresco Creature does look like a pose of something that is in a Submissive Posture... but its also like a Fetal Posture.  Pretty much like this alternative Deacon/Ultrmorph concept.

So this could just mean the Creature is New Born.

The Engineers face on the Fresco does not look like one that matches the God and Adam Fresco, the Creature and Engineer do not match the poses and look of God and Adam as far as Creator and Creation.

Prometheus was the Titan who stole Fire from the Gods, and gave it to Mankind for which he was punished by being chained to a rock and having his Liver Eaten day after day.

when i look at this Prometheus Fresco then it pretty much matches the pose of the one we see in the movie Prometheus, the look in the Engineer/Prometheus Face is similar, there appears to be a Scar in the same place.

Prometheus was punished... by the Gods...

The Engineers in this movie are refered to as Fallen Angels, and Fallen Angels had rebelled against God and punished by God, many turned into  Serpentine Monsters.

I feel this is what we are seeing, a rebelious Faction of Engineers had Rebelled, or they had interfered with Mankind in ways their Hiearchy had forbiden and they was Punished.

This Punishment Created a Organism, that Created Eggs and the Surviving Fallen Engineers had then began to experiment on these Eggs and Re-engineer them in many experiments until they had created the Mural Creature which they then deemed as Perfections...

They was either jelious of Mankind who are the Gods favoured Children, or they tried to gain dominion over Mankind to act as Gods, just as they was once servents to their own Gods.

The experiments used to create a Weapon against their Creators, and then Re-weaponized to Evolve Mankind with the DNA of the Deacon Mural because these Engineers saw this Creature as PEFECTION and valued its DNA as Superior to the Engineers.

Thus this DNA would be used to Evolve Mankind and other Life instead of the Engineers Less Superior DNA.

This is my intepretation and theory on it all, but that could be far from the case now.

As far as seeing it in the next movie?

I dont think we will, will we eventually? Who knows, right now it appears the Prequels are going to tease TWO outcomes for the Xenomorph.

1) David creates it, from the Black Goo (or something else) and then evolves it, but we then would have the question where did the Black Goo Come from?

2) David Re-creates the Xenomorph from the Black Goo (or something else) and then we would be asking does the Black Goo thus Originate from the Xenomorph or was the Xenomorph just a earlier Perfected Experiment from it.

As far as the Fresco Creature Origins..  to me this looks a lot like Dan O'Bannons final idea for the Star Beast (which Alien was based off) and O'Bannon when it was being used for Alien had proposed this look

This was the idea O'Bannon had before he saw HR Gigers works and then showed that to Ridley Scott who then said.. thats the one (Necronom IV) and HR Giger was then asked to create and design the Starbeast/Alien which i can post Gigers first ever concept which not many have seen before.... ok here it is

Number 3 was his first design.

Then he came up with number 5 and then 4.

If i cast you back to the Dan O'Bannon design though and look at this Mural for Star Beast

There is a Organism being Chest Busted to give birth to something very like the Adult Trilobite, this Chest Busted Creature could be a basic drawing version of O'Bannons Design and also maybe the Prometheus Fresco Creature.

wow!

ive never seen that pic with the hands on the egg.  im sure big dave is right and it is the same creature from the fresco.

ive been hoping for some years that we would get some of the background behind what was seen (if only briefly) in prometheus.

for me, this creature and then the elders that i would most like to see given some screen time or answers.

does anyone feel we will be any further with this after alien: covenant?

looking at the flow of the film, there doesnt seem that many opportunites for too many reveals.

of course i hope im wrong and we get what we want and more

bigdave - that was a really great read thank you

bigdave - that was a really great read thank you

No Problem...

I dont think this creature is the Elder, the Elders will be just older Humanoids, it will be interesting if we ever see them and then if they are the 7-8ft tall Engineers (who are supposed to be 9-10ft).  If they will be revealed in the future to be a 12-15ft tall Ancient Predecessor to the Engineers and those beings on Paradise/Planet 4.

Or if they will be Human sized like those beings on Paradise/Planet 4.

I do however wonder, and think they could explore that the Black Goo/Sacrificial Goo was obtained from another species or Race that is not very Humanoid

I feel the Hall of Heads Elders, are depicted as the Gods of those who come from Paradise, and these are Humanoids.  The LV-223 Head Statues are of the Elders younger off-spring of creations (Engineers) who are now playing God.

Elders or Engineers are responsible for creating Mankind and other Humanoids...

But i still suspect the Elders Stole their Technology from some place else.

You will believe me crazy but the head of the creature thought of the helmet of the engineers. Looking at the beak of the creature, it seems very similar to the "horn" of the engineer helmet.

Like most here I've wanted to find out exactly what connection, if any, this creature has to the lifecycle. It appears to have some significance as it is featured above the doorways in the temple and the Juggernaut. So perhaps we shall see it featured again. I'd love to see a living version of it!

It is also very reminiscent of creatures which feature in many of H. R Giger's paintings.

I always had the idea that each silo/dome's Head Room may have contained different species. Perhaps some of them even had eggs instead of urns? Therefore the creature depicted above the doorway would be different for each of them. Perhaps one of those species was a predecessor of the MORB?

LOL Lone

I was just putting together exactly what you just posted! :)  Indeed it is the same in the pics posted.  Almost looks like a skull of a jockey helmet

This is a fresco from Iraq of an Annunaki Bird man, known to represent the Warrior Caste.

The Pine Cone he is holding is thought to be the symbol for intelligence, much like how Egyptian frescos use the Ankh for Life. The bag in his other hand is said to be a container for DNA. From this Fresco we can deduce that the being is pulling intelligence (fire) from his bag of tricks to give to man.

Why would a Warrior Caste be involved in the genetics? Most of the other Annunaki Frescos show the typical bearded giants with wings- Creating. Is this a Lucifer type being who is taking the fire and making his own creation?

i agree with the idea that the engineers are created by the elders, now are you saying these engineers 223 are now playing god?

that  is a great idea.  maybe a stand off  between the elders and the engineers happened.

maybe the creations no longer wanted to give the ultimate sacrifice and rebelled.

is this why they were heading to earth 2000 years ago?

maybe they wanted to rid the galaxy of the elders creations.

thus lending the elders powerless with no creations on side and the planets they seeded are now going to be destroyed by the bio weapon goo?

if this was possible, their might be some common ground between shaw and david and the elders. maybe this is the covenant????

Hi all,

New here. I had to join to share my opinion of what the mural creature was.

I think it looks very similar to the alternate version of goo-ified Fifield, see pic below. The mural shows what happens to an engineer when the black goo is used a certain way, just as it happened to Fifield. Thoughts?