H. R. Giger Ovomorph: Black Goo is Cameron's Queen Part 2

Perhaps David turned Shaw into a Queen/Mother/Breeder using the black ooze, but then Shaw ended up getting killed.

Here is the original cut of the lab enhanced where the drawing above is visible in the background.

I believe you are correct Movie fan but the order was different. It looks like David 8 used Dr. Shaw after her death from the infection and this image above may be the last time they spoke before she died in her sleep.

It appears that her body may have died but the infection kept on living and changing Dr. Shaw's corpse. This is similar in appearance to the lasting effects on the Space Jockey as well.

Perhaps, we'll have to wait for the movie to see.

You have that correct Movie fan. It is all still speculation here.

Ingeniero

I think it is likely you are correct. I will add my thoughts on subsequent non-Shaw queens below (which I just posted in the other thread before I realized you replaced it.) I believe it fits well with Shaw as the protoqueen.

Personally I prefer the concept of a queen (not Shaw but those arising within the lineage) being the endpoint of the lifecycle for elder xenos. It would be nice if it took some time too. Like a xeno must be months/years old before it finishes growing into a queen.

Having a queen as the end point of the lifecycle would indicate that the progeny DNA produced by Shaw's children included Shaw's reproductive role as the final stage of a maturing xeno.

This would allow us to maintain the goo as the true starting point (genesis), as well as keep egg morphing for initial propagation. Egg morphing would essentially be micro-propagation and a queen would be macro. This allows the species to regulate it's chances of survival depending on the environment and available resources.

Here are other images of Dr. Shaw and black goo ampules.

I hadn't see the other topic QueenElizabethShaw, I will check it out. Just did, I see what you meant now.

Excellent analysis QueenElizabethShaw.

"This would allow us to maintain the goo as the true starting point, as well as keep egg morphing for initial propagation. Egg morphing would essentially be micro-propagation and a queen would be macro. This allows the species to regulate it's chances of survival depending on the environment and available resources."

I think the Queen is made as a result of the Engineer, as well as the Engineer's biosuit. 

 WilliamPotter

I haven't ruled that out. It's certainly possible Ridley might take that direction. I will say, I'm still partial to the idea that queen is the last stage of the life cycle, but if a queen was made by an engineer I would accept it. I don't think it is as interesting as the life cycle theory though. It just appeals to that simple logic we all use which is "the little monster comes from the little man so the big monster comes from the big man". That thought resonates will all of us but I don't think Ridley should use it. It's too easy

I know everyone likes the Queen...but I really do see it highly unlikely that in RS Alien universe a Queen will exist. 

Yes, I do not think that alien queen actually exists. Xenomorphs are not insects. That's just a fairy tale about dragons. Xenomorphs life cycle is unique and full of mystery

"I think the Queen is made as a result of the Engineer, as well as the Engineer's biosuit."

Hopefully.... only time will tell....  What if you are Wrong William?   Would this Hurt?

Or is the Trick not minding it Hurts... which quote will i think now famously be labeled with Ridley Scott lol

PS thats a Joke post ;)

Interesting Topic for Debate... i wish i could contribute to it, but i will have to Pass at the Moment ;)

If i take it out of context from the Franchise... as it was....

Then indeed its a interesting debate, there are many things in Davids Workshop... thats going to raise many many questions. One of the good debates we will have down the line.

That Ova-morph i think could be a earlier attempt for sure, it also could be related to the Spores too. Plenty to Debate Plot Hole wish in Davids Lab that well will be one of the Biggest Things i wish to cover when 20th comes..

The Mural of Gigers, its interesting... and i think the way they could have gone... i will post some day my HR Gigers Vision and how i would have applied this to my Prometheus 2.

I was meant to do it weeks ago... but Motivation is one thing i seem to lack lol

I don't believe RS will go with JC's queen that would mean his first eggmorphing theory has gone to the bin. I believe this was more of an easter egg kinda thing like the painting of the xeno inside the temple for fans of the saga. (Which btw contradicts what RS says about David creating the xenos not the engineers in his spoiling interview the old man is losing it...no disrespect hehe)

If you think about it, the trailers show a human facehugged then turned xeno with no tubes nor exoskeleton. So my theorie is that David made his eggs from a human (with a great survival instinct ie mutated dead Shaw and maybe insects.) So his xeno is 1/3 human if you like dumb and smooth. 

I believe the derelict eggs have morphed from suited engineers yes a whole colony of them, David's wrath part 2 if you like, thus giving us different eggs and facehuggers and tadaaaa! Here comes the original exoskeleton-ed Xenomorph in Alien, less smooth and smarter, stealthier only a 1/4 human. The design is shockingly resembling what the surviving engineer wore in Prometheus.

That would make the most sense to explain the discrepancies in design and bring back some logic.

I hope RS reads this...please stop making films for dumb action loving studios and stick to your original space horror themes, eggmorphing was genius and frightening. The Queen bah a nice technical effort and an evil mama to fight for Ripley to finally find peace...or not in a more pop corn action thriller which I loved btw. But it defies what Hash said about the Xenomorph being a perfect surviving organism... Stick to the plans. Merci Sir you got the chance to reclaim what's yours.