Could Neomorphs have existed previously? If so...
IndyFront
MemberFacehuggerJun-27-2017 2:00 PMWe obviously do not know much of anything about the Neomorphs other than how they reproduce. We do know they are spawned by motes that emerge from egg sacs that evolved from the accelerant, such entities resembling miniature Ovomorphs that can enter the body through cavities besides the mouth and esophagus.
So, the accelerant essentially produces proto-eggs and proto-huggers that produce these "Neomorphs". Here's an idea; what if the "Neomorphs" were encountered a previous time the accelerant went rogue, only the initial encounter by the Engineers was much more catastrophic and apocalyptic. Think; the Engineers once ruled an empire that spanned the galaxy, and many others, before being reduced to one major settlement on Planet 4. This particular outbreak resulted in the same thing happening as happened on Planet 4 (sans David) only on a much (MUCH) grander scale. This would explain why they were not suspecting it to threaten them again, let alone at the hands of something like David.
It would also explain why they had a particular ability to hide entire planets. Why? Because, this particular outbreak grew beyond control, they had to isolate the stabilized specimens from the major quarantine zone (planet), and the outbreak respectively had to be isolated itself. Unlike the post-Outbreak accelerant, this initial 'prototype' could not only affect fauna, but flora and fungi and bacteria as well. In fact, it could assimilate an entire ecosystem into its framework. Hence, why it grew so rapidly out of control so quickly (even for the Engineers). Since the Engineers we see in Prometheus had advanced biotechnology patently different (At least aesthetically) from the more conventional technology and architecture of those of Covenant, this is due (in theory) to some deciding to carry on with the biotechnology utilization after the outbreak, and others recoiling in horror at what happened when the accelerant got hold of the "bio" part of that technology, corrupting it. But I digress.
Inevitably, the Neomorphs would result from this larger outbreak that ultimately had to be contained within a pocket dimension. Nevertheless, the corrupted Engineers would survive, preserved by the strands of corrupted ecosystem and biotechnology that managed to escape and endure within the corruption of their psyches for millions of years, but would ultimately kill most of themselves off due to insanity. The salvation would relocate to a more primitive lifestyle on Planet 4, isolated from the world, and ultimately sterilized due to exposure to the pathogen. But, while all of this was going on for millions of years, the isolated ecosystem on Marduk thrived, and evolved.
Sorry for the long-winded diatribe, but I simultaneously wanted to make a meaningful contribution to the forum with my first thread, and provide a fleshed-out background to my theory and/or question. So, say these Neomorphs existed at one point in the ancient past. If they were isolated/quarantined for eons, wouldn't they and this rogue ecosystem they inhabit evolve? And if so, would they evolve into something reminiscent of a Xenomorph Hive?
For example, a side-by-side comparison of two species of "Xenomorphic" beings:
So we have some fan art. I used the Covenant "Protomorph" as something to compare an original design next to. Would the Neomorph evolve into a different 'strain' of "Xenomorphism"? For example, the one on the right is less insectile, and incorporated elements of the rogue biotechnology (Described above) into its genetic makeup as it naturally fused with the rogue environment over a long period of evolution. But it is quite clearly more abominable and beastly in appearance insofar as its exaggerated anatomy (hands are massive compared to the Protomorph, and it is larger. And uglier.)
(Edit, sorry for the crap quality. It was a small image as it was part of a storyboard I pulled it from).
BigDave
MemberDeaconJun-27-2017 3:45 PMIt is kind of hard to see that imagine so i cant really make it out, as for the post well its interesting, and we have to wonder what route they are taking the whole Black Goo and even if we dont see it again, i wonder if they have finally figured out a Set of Rules to what it does.
It seems the Novels explanation is a tad confusing and the thing with the Black Goo is its always been open to interpretation and all along i had been drawn to it being ONE certain thing and DOES a certain thing... and when i first read Jon Spaights Alien Engineers it pretty much matched 95% of what i had thought about how and what this Black Goo was.
Overtime FOX had changed elements of how we are to interpret the Black Goo... its now more of a Virus that seems to have One Objective and that is to Procreate this in a similar way to a Virus (sorry could not think of the word that describes this)
So i dont really know how to comment on which way they are taking it if this is the case, if this is so then Ultimately it would make little sense for a Queen... and more sense that the Life Cycle leads to someway to create more of the Pathogen... so the Xenomorph dies and breaks down into a Virus.. or it Evolves into a Egg to start the process again.
I always saw the Neomorph infection as being from a Urn that was not active in the Cargo Hold that then had spilled over and infected the Water Stream the Juggernaught had crashed into.
This stream would eventually cause Moss and Mold to grow on the Juggernaught and by the side of the stream and this Mold then either gets evolved by the Black Goo or some other Fungi grow from the Mold and this in turn is infected with the Black Goo.
The Black Goo Xeno-strain Pathogen if you would then uses the Mutated Fungus Spores Motes to pass on the infection.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
BigDave
MemberDeaconJun-27-2017 3:49 PMSo i would say the Neomorph is a one off event of sorts, but something that could have happened before or indeed happen again if Black Goo was to infect Types of Fungi/Spore or Molds.
I would think that Paradise had not been infected prior, but then i can see how such a theory could work as a way to explain why those Engineers never left the city if the Area around the City had been made Safe but the rest of the Planet could still have remains of Organic Life related to the Black Goo.
My interpretation however is different as i still wonder if the Juggernaughts Purpose was to Drop Urns of Engineer DNA to Seed Worlds... and that a Faction of Engineers got infected with some Organism that lead to experiments to Perfect it hence the Mural in Prometheus and these Engineers then Re-weaponized the DNA and used it in the Seeding Urns rather than Engineer/Humanoid DNA.
But any other theories are still valid as we have not had no solid Spoon Fed Set in Stone Answers to how the Black Goo was obtained and what it really 100% does.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
IndyFront
MemberFacehuggerJun-28-2017 1:19 AMGreat post! Yeah, Planet 4 never had the vibe that it had been affected by the pathogen prior to Covenant. And while I really hope you are right about the pathogen remaining a mystery, it would be nice to get some clarification in Awakening as to whether it simply ignores botanical life unless it comes across its path, or if it is incompatible completely. Indeed, the motes appear to be mutated fungi. Ergo, David's Protomorph seems to be an artificially-induced evolution (judging by some of his notes on the schematics in his laboratory) of that mutated fungal-virus organism. And although we have a different interpretation, the Neomorphs seemed to be the intended evolution/mutation of the pathogen, as if it were the macroscopic stage/form of it.
Starlogger
MemberChestbursterJun-28-2017 7:08 AMVERY good expositional/technical writing, my friend. I really enjoyed reading that, and it is quite hard to blow holes in your theories, whether or not they are "true". Thanks for the effort, and write more!
Capt Torgo
MemberFacehuggerJun-28-2017 7:23 AMIt has to be a one off because Fifield turns in a zombie so that is canon right? Plus it takes him overnight to become that stage of zombie with a face full of it. Now add a drop to a fungi and you get the most dangerous hybrid ever scene. Obviously being goo bombed by a cloud burst of goo urns is scary and immediate death but to me some plastic trays with black goo spore pods is ten times more dangerous than a juggernaut full of eggs. Because even with a bio suit those spores will find a way.
Capt Torgo
MemberFacehuggerJun-28-2017 7:50 AMBig Dave I see what your shooting for but..... Prometheus made a big deal about how intimate it was when the elders/whoever/seeding jockeys go to a desolate planet and do their thing/create life in their image. I just feel these urns are the opposite of the intimate one blue dude sacrifice to start a living planet. It's a bunch of bio weapon urns that uses several nasty means of death all in each urn/missile.
Ingeniero
MemberPraetorianAug-06-2018 10:56 AMThe neomorphs may have been a "one-off" event or a unique reaction unseen before when the mutagen meets a genome BigDave.
They certainly can live on in the tissue (tumors?) that David seems to harvest from their dissected head, below, at the area where you would expect the pituitary gland in relation to the brain/eyes.
If he used this tissue produced from the neomorph above to somehow produce the face hugger eggs, below, the neomorph may have quite the lineage.
I agree Starlogger. Great writing IndyFront.
I though Planet 4 looked unblemished too...a posh outpost or home where worry (and exotic fashion) is a memory to those living on it.
Good point Capt Torgo, below, assuming they met mutagen.