Facehugger - 'Now, in ALIEN: COVENANT, its origins are finally explained.'

Another great post. Thanks Ati.

They should have put all these in the movie to make it coherent to the viewer who doesn't follow other sources of information. But then what to put first in a 2 hours film. I think they have to briefly explain everything we learned from David's notes so the general viewer to accept easier that David indeed created the Protomorph from scratch. 

Are these notes not contradicting the novelization, where David was only replicating the eggs found from engineers? 

And why are the two chestbursters, from Alien 1979 and from A:C different?

Still a lot of questions to be answered. 

Thanks for the Share ;)

I think this wont sit well with some, but then its no way to 100% confirm anything as ULTIMATELY its what is on Screen that is Canon.

I say this because over the years since they started the prequels, FOX has worked on making various back ground information and Viral Marketing to give hints and actually provide information on certain elements of the Franchise.

And then..... they either Redact these, or re-release new Virals or Information that contradicts it all.

Lately the removal of Weyland Industries Website, which could be a sign that the said History laid out in that Website is to now be Replaced with New Information.

So they are in effect making it up as they go along with No Set Plan, and who knows how much more will change over the years... they may think they are clearing things up, but all they are doing is attempting to Re-Write Lore/History to fit with the New.. Make it up as we go along Plots.... which ultimately could turn the Franchise into a Laughing Stock.... Sadly

Thanks for the share. Lots of interesting stuff.

Looks like the Planet 4 is the Engineer homeworld after all.

I think the way they are going now is going to lead to a lot of inconsistencies....

We have to assume Planet 4 is one of their Homeworlds but not their Actual Homeworld as in the Origin of their kind or their only place they live in.... because we see a lack of Technology for such a Advanced Race that the Prometheus opening Scene and LV-223 showed.

Unless they reveal that another Race is above the Engineers who are a little different, and that Planet 4 is the world this other Race seeded Engineers on.

I think its a ambiguous piece of information you shared Dark Nebula because its open to interpretation of first, which Engineers knew of the Bio-Weapon Well?  LV-223, those on Planet 4, or just a handful on Planet 4 as well as all those on LV-223.

Because they seemed to not have no Fear for when the Juggernaught Arrived, and if the Weapon was known and related Xenomorphs and actually some parts of Planet 4 was used for this purpose then the Total Lack of Security is Shocking...

Which would make the Blue Laser/Myst on the Derelict about as Advanced a Precaution they had lol

Also the Stolen Ship, is that the acknowledgment of the Stolen Juggernaught? which would narrow down the previous point... or is it the Stolen Covenant.

For Sanity Sakes.. i am drawn to the Juggernaught, and LV-223 Outpost and so most of those Engineers on Planet 4 would not have been expecting the Horror they Faced.

Thanks ATI!

Very cool...'Face' huggers were clearly designed for humanoids...not just any wandering creature(dinosaurs, elephants, sharks, mice, etc..)

IF the facehugger pods on LV-426 are millions of years old....then who were the Engineers expecting to facehug? Other Engineers? Other humanoids? Humans on Earth were still living in caves and eating dirt.

Creating the facehuggers just in case humans develop space travel and just happen to stumble on one of them!?!?

Facehuggers on LV426 make sense if they were just put their(22 century) OR Engineers had a problem with another humanoid race or themselves.

I think those are the interesting Questions that Prometheus 2 could have answered...

As the Premise was that Humanity on Earth is surely not the only Humanoid Species the Engineers played a role in creation/evolution of.

The Face Hugger would actually be ideal for use on Humans, or Engineers as they are not vastly larger than us, and indeed any other Humanoid Life... which would include Predators (i know not Canon) but the Face Hugger appears designed for use against Humanoids be they 3ft or 10ft.

I can see why RS felt it was more important to show the Xenomorph was purposely designed for the purpose of killing Humanoids, and why he thought it would be a interesting Curveball to show David is the Creator.

I know its going Bum Out some fans, if they stick to their Guns and reveal that indeed prior to the Covenant Ship Arriving at Planet 4 in the year 2104 there is not a Single Alien Egg or maybe even not a Derelict on LV-426

Time-wise now there would have to be a lot of Shoe-horning, because we have to Assume David goes to Origae-6 with the Covenant, which will take us to the year 2111-2112 Ball Park and so the events from Davids Creation and what happens on Origae-6 to a Engineer Ship ending up on LV-426 will all take place within a period of about 10 years.

I think still it would be interesting to explore what the Origin of the DNA within the Black Goo was, the Deacon, the Mural the Frescos... as while it may seem the Alien Franchise Xenomorph is now a Creation by David or at least the start of it is..

Its Origins date back to the Black Goo that the Engineers had discovered and created, and their is a whole Story there for the Horrors that lead to this.

Apologies for going off topic.

I think I already covered this on another topic.

Ridley Scott stated that in the sequel "awakening" the Engineers come and find their planet dead. Which means there are other planets inhabited by the engineers.

The planet 4 engineers looks more civilian since the city inhabited by them looks more Greek/Roman, the only technological part we saw was the mother juggernaut flying above the city and the landing bay for ships located at the center of the square. We haven't really seen the rest of the city, maybe each building hides something. There is one part in the engineer citadel that has a metal shelf (simmilar to that of the corridor in juggernaut) where Daniels found David's illustrations of Shaw.

As for the LV-223 ones, they do look more technological in comparison with the planet 4 ones. To me, they are genetically engineered soldiers/ servants, that's why they look different than the planet 4 ones. This kinda reminds me of the old cartoon called EXOSQUAD where humans have been creating other much stronger and larger beings via genetic manipulation and cloning, and they used them as slaves on colonized planets. Humans called them Neosapiens and they were mass produced, but this turned out to be a large mistake when Neosapiens rebelled and took over the earth.

As for the topic, when I rewatched 1979 alien I noticed some problems with the original Space Jockey (like the SJ being too big to get facehugged as we've seen facehuggers are suitable for human faces) and I now know why they are retconning all this like MonsterZero said. People don't like what Ridley is doing because of the nostalgia.

That idea sucks, I will probably never accept that, I will make my own version thank you very much. It could be alright if David developed it from Engineer tools but having him be the original creator of it will never be acceptable to me. Right now it seems like they do what ever they can to make the franchise worse, it is just really bad.

“Make it up as we go along Plots.... which ultimately could turn the Franchise into a Laughing Stock.... Sadly"

They do what ever they can to make it into a bad comedy.

If this is the way that they have planned it for the prequels, if it ends up like that in the end then I will probably throw the prequels away and pretend that they never happened.

I also find it very irritating that they change the background history. Everyone could see that the space jockey was very old (fossilised or a skeleton) which means that the eggs, protected by the layer of mist, were that old as well. This would correspond with the outbreak on LV-223 about 2000 years prior to The Nostromo landing on LV-426.

We know from Prometheus that the engineers experimented with the mutagen/pathogen 2 millennia before David & Co arrived on LV-223. We know that the outbreak killed all the engineers there (except one) and that there were holes in the sleeping chambers and in the bodies piled up outside a closed safety door. We also see the engineers running from something and we hear a scream which could indicate a deacon (or something similar). We also see an engineer giving birth to a deacon (after having been facehugged by a large mutated version). We also have the old mural with some kind of xenomorph and engineers (or abducted humans?) being facehugged by “normal sized” facehuggers.

In the novelization of Alien: Covenant (Foster) there are several passages in which David clearly says that he is not the creator of neither the egg nor the facehugger. They are accomplished through “thousands of years of practise at biological and genetic engineering”.

All the scriptwriters need to do is to say that David recreates (or perhaps develops) what the engineers long since has already created. David’s creations can have nothing to do with the space jockey and the eggs on LV-426 which Kane, Dallas and Lambert find there, however.

Thank you for the comments.

MonsterZero - Great points.

Dark Nebula - I love animated sci-fi movies from the eighties, Exosquad is a new one for me.

Everybody - I'm sure the makers of the new Alien movie are working on a script which will explain everything. We should be patient. :)

This is another great find Ati. Thank you.

@Dark Nebula

Indeed i can see the EXOSQUAD  reference and i think its a plausible explanation, and one i would like to think is not so far off the mark..

Who knows maybe it was a previous version of Mankind who had created these Neo-Humans AKA Engineers, what we have then is the remnants of these Ancient Humans on Earth, and the Remnants of these Neo-Humans on Planet 4.

But the whole Prometheus Prologue does seem to indicate that the Engineers Predated Modern Man... but who knows what kind of twists they could throw at us, because who is to say that their was a older Race of Mankind or another Humanoid Race who look more like Humans than Engineers?

Certainly why the Concept work by Steve Messing and Wayne Haag was interesting.

As far as the Xenomorph and David, who knows what way they will eventually lead us, it depends if they are going to listen to what they think the Fans Want... which somewhat is why we ended up with Alien Covenant... or if this time RS will stick to his Guns and FOX will back him up.

If the latter is true then indeed it appears they are going for the Face Hugger/Eggs on the Derelict are a result of Davids Experiments and Creation.

Yet the Original Idea was indeed that the Egg Cargo and LV-223 was a related event that were separated by a few hundred years and thus the Space Jockey and Cargo was there for say 1800-2200 years ago Ball Park.

It does appear this is no longer the case, and now we are looking at a 2-10 years prior to Alien Ball-Park