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I think it was implied that if his neck wound self healed, then his face scratch would too. 

Walter healing 25 seconds in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPlqBAkrc6s

Walter's neck wound began to heal almost immediately. It is only shown for a second or two but it is easily seen. 

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Wait a second. Why people think about regeneration? Walter just closed the wound on his cheek, something like a lid or a patch. It's not a regeneration or something like that. He cannot restore all wounds.

And I think, this is not David's mind. Remember - David offers Walter a choice. And Walter made a choice. He take facehugger embryos and goes to the Covenant.

P.S. In the book, Walter can restore a whole arm!

There is still the matter of "Walter" repairing his face. Walter was self healing and we saw him start to heal after David stabbed his neck. Surely Daniels should have noticed?

Walter's body with David's mind

If this is the case, David can pretend to be Walter as long as he wants without retorsion.

He can wake up the crew without fear. Daniels will accuse Walter (David) for sure, but nobody is going to believe her wild stories.

Walter (David) may express his concern to the crew about Daniels' mental state . (Of course behind her back)

Walter can explain them, that she is suffering from PTSD and mild amnesia due to the previous tragedies.

He may also suggest, that the safest thing is to promote another person to be the captain of the ship. Everybody will believe the smiling Walter (David) and not the frustrated Daniels. Who would you trust? In an agitated human or a kind, professional, innocent looking robot?

In addition Walter (David) can monitor Daniels' dreams and mind activities during the journey, therefore he will know about the cabin at the lake and about her lost husband.

He will know about EVERYTHING...

@NTFS

Good Points... indeed its a bit Ambiguous, maybe things are not thought out (Oversight) or there is something more to HOW it is that David had command codes.

Its never quite clear what we see here.. as far as is this David pretending to be Walter and Cutting his Hand Off, or has David uploaded himself to Walter?  I am sure Ridley Scott had indicated that its David and he Cut his Hand Off.

So then we have to ask HOW did he know/gain command codes?

Surely there would be some kind of Security Protocol for Access of Certain Elements of the Ships Command/Program? 

I think regardless of HOW, i think ONCE we have David Access the System, he could then embed his own set of Commands/Programs and maybe this Explains the David Commands/Codes as he Programed them.. instead of the Ship already having such Codes.

But maybe the Ship already had them, and for this we have to ask WHY... if this is the case then this could be some Conspiracy, does someone at the Company Already know and SET-UP this Mission?

Or does AI have a Control over the Company to a Degree, with the Company NOT in the know...  this is potentially a Real World Problem with AI, once we advance it so FAR and it becomes Sentient, especially if it becomes Sentient and we DONT KNOW... then it could pull all kinds of Strings behind the Scenes and as in the MATRIX we would be Oblivious to it.

Maybe this is what RS means when he talks about the Next Movie would be more about AI?  who knows.

Another PROBLEM with the Future of a Prequel would be the ADVENT VIRAL Video.

If this is taken as CANON, then it leads us down a Certain Path, well it indicates such and also Limits the Options a little.

By Virtue of the ADVENT we know that David has informed the company of who he is, what he has been up to and Warned them about his Creation and if they DO IT (assume pursue his Experiments/Creation) then his Creation would RULE the Galaxy.

This means the Company know that David is in Control of the Covenant and NOT friendly Walter, also the Company would know he had left LV-223 (Prometheus Mission) and had been busy elsewhere, and it appears the ADVENT was Transmitted not FAR from Planet 4 and so we have to ASSUME the Company would send Missions to LV-223 and Planet 4.

This means for David he has made a SILLY Mistake, especially if he stays on Planet 4 or goes to LV-223, as by the Time the Company Receive the ADVENT it surely would only take them about a YEAR to Send Ships and Reach both LV-223 and Planet 4.   This DOES-NOT leave David long to Carry On with whatever Experiments and Agenda he has, as the Company could arrive at LV-223/Planet 4  1-2 Years (assume) after the ADVENT Transmission.

IF however David goes to Origae-6 then he would be heading AWAY further from Earth and so this would give him maybe a 2-3 Years to do what ever he wants before a Ship sent in response to the ADVENT would arrive.

So the ADVENT does Limit the Time that David has to do whatever he wants to do Next before the Company Turn up, this assumes they would make a Rapid Response to the ADVENT message however.

The OTHER dilemma we have is the ADVENT when also in Context to Alien Covenant seems to indicate David has ONE Agenda... to Mass Produce his Creation (Xenomorph) and Perfect his QUEEN..  this kind of SETS-UP a pretty Basic Plot!

At the end of Alien Covenant we could see David's mind in Walter's body.

Did David overwrite Walter's memory or merged with it?

He knew the access codes to the ship and was able to find the embryo compartment but he did not remember the conversation about building a cabin at the lake.

Not sure if it's Jonesy, but it looks like it's seen a lot in its life...

The dog aliens. I don't know which one is more terrifying .

Denis Villeneuve is busy filming Dune until late next year. He is the only one except Ridley Scott I would trust for an Alien movie.

Please stop mentioning Blomkamp, it was an accident, it will never happen. Good riddance. 

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Space Hobbit ;)

Or it could be Gandalf. Space Gandalf! Oh... wait... This is Saruman! Yeaaah... And alien eggs is a new kind of Uruk-Hai.

DK that shows us the Xenomorph Killed Space Jesus and not Mankind so whats the Engineers BEEF!

@Leto

LOL yeah.... maybe the Space Jockey could be a Hobbit... it fits Perfectly because the Space Jockey does seem to be Shrinking every time we are shown him/them.

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I think that makes sense Gavin

Looking at Alien however, the X-Ray shows a like Black/Grey Cloud of Particles and so your theory works but its maybe NOT a implanted Cell, but a Cluster of Cells/Virus that Join together to then Create a Hybrid Organism. 

This would add up with Alien Covenant, because if we instead assume the Many Tiny Spore Motes can each become a Organism, then WHY do we only get One Organism that Gestates inside Ledwood and Hallett? The only Logical Way is ONCE we have One of the Motes start to Evolve into the Organism it sends a signal that deactivates the other Motes.

Regarding the taking of Traits from a Host, this is maybe a ideal Survival Tactic so that the MORPH will be ideal to the Environment it will exposed to.

So for example should a Ocean/Water based Organism become infected (Face Hugger, Neomorph Spore or Black Goo) then to have the Resulting Organism become something say Bi-Pedal would maybe not Suit the Environment as far as KILLING off all Life in that Environment.

But if something is Evolved like the Image Above, then it would become more so the APEX Predator of that Environment, this is Especially ideal as part of a Engineered Bio-Weapon.

Continued.........

Once you get to the above, you then have to Flesh Out and Create the Plot.

As a ALIEN Prequel, it will be expected to CONCLUDE with the Eggs on the Derelict and HOW/WHEN and maybe WHY and for this you have to consider HOW many Movies are there before we get to this CLIMAX. (Conclusion)

Some Fans will Expect the Next Movie to be about the Process of the Xenomorph, and would expect some kind of ALIEN Flick as in Alien Monsters vs Humans.  And IF the Next Movie will NOT be about such things, then it has to have a Interesting Plot to Engage Fans and Set-Up that the Sequel would bring back the Xenomorph and a very Alieny Movie.  If the Plot takes us NO closer to the Xenomorph and the Set-Up does not seem to be this way for the 2nd Sequel then Fans may simply NOT be interested.

Then we need to look at David, Some Fans are just NOT interested in his Character and it would be Hard to Persuade them otherwise, and Fans would not be so HAPPY if the Movie is to Center around Him and AI it depends how they handle AI but i am sure Not-Many Fans would want to Watch a Movie thats more Bladerunner than a Alien.

The David Creator Plot is something that Fans for the most part are not interested in, and i am sure a Majority would NOT be willing to accept that without David... there is NO Xenomorph.  And so seeing David go about Creating something Else may NOT be interesting to some, it may be interesting to others.  But certainly a Movie that Centers around David and what he does is something i feel many fans would not be interested in... there has to be a Balance. (i think it would be Wishful thinking to DROP or Change the David as Creator Plot, you would have to Handle this in a certain way and then determine so WHAT does David Create then?).

Engineers.... this is something that Prometheus Fans were maybe Disappointed with in regards to Alien Covenant, we never got much of a Expansion behind these guys.... then you have some fans who may only want to see the Engineers Return in a way where they are just Aggressive SOB's who turn up with their Ships and Technology to KICK ASS... and would not be interested in any of the Creator/Gods stuff.  I think the Engineers would have to make a Return at some point, it certainly would have to be the Next Movie as far as Final Act or Ending or Set-up that we would see them again in the Sequel.

But the BIGGEST thing to consider is that the Movie would have to Introduce and show Humans who are in some Degree of Peril and you have to make sure they are Well Written for them to have a better Impact.   You would have to introduce some NEW Characters who should have a Impact unless you Find a way to Carry over Daniels and/or Tennessee but then as mentioned in the prior post their are Complications on HOW they would do this.   

And so if you introduce NEW Characters you really cant have them END up being replaced in a Sequel, we cant keep having Movies where the Characters from the Previous Movie are Killed Off apart from DAVID.

Some Fans may want more of a Action Flick.... and hope to see the incoming Humans as more Military Type or at least have a Security Team, this could work but by NO means we should NOT see a Ship with Colonial Marines Rock Up... unless this happens in the 3rd Act or Set-Up for the Sequel.

So i think the NEXT Movie should not be too ALIEN, but lead to something related, and turn into a Survival Horror, and then Set-Up that the 2nd Sequel to Alien Covenant will be more Engineers vs Xenomorph vs Marines Action Flick and Conclusion.

But even so NOT every Fan is going to be pleased....

A lot of people were just not Pleased with David, for a number of reasons, also i think even if you re-wrote Alien Covenant and had David in a different role i think not every fan would be pleased with a Movie Franchise (Prequels) that Center around him.

There are a FEW Problems to Contend with when looking at a Sequel.

*We need to First look and ask what role will the Colonist play, as this will determine where they go NEXT.

*We need to look at WHERE it is the Covenant Ship will be heading NEXT.

*We then need to look at WHAT would be Davids Agenda/Goal and Plans.  The Longer the Destination the more Time David has to Reflect on what he would do next.

Then we are faced with the following Problems.

*Daniels knows who David is, even if David decides to have a Change of Heart, Daniels would not trust him and inform other Colonist about him.  So for Davids Plans she is a Major Problem.

*Tennessee would maybe be Suspicious if Daniels dies, David would have to come up with a Very Good reason for what happened, and then its how Convincing he would be and well how Smart Tennessee is too.    So maybe David would have to also take him out of the Equation.

*The Colonist would be wondering WHAT happened to the Main Crew, and it may be Suspicious if there is NO Survivors the ONLY Way David could pull this off would be to make Daniel's and Tennesse's Cryo-Pods Fail, plus the Pods for all the others or come up with some other Malfunction that KILLED all the others off.   And then Amend the Records/Data on the Covenants Computer.

*David if he goes this route would then have to find a way to explain WHY he has only ONE Hand.  As how would he loose that if the Ship had a Malfunction and Crew Died aboard the Ship?   Then maybe David would have to come clean a bit and explain the Covenant Crew Fate how it was but OMIT what happened after the Neomorph attack.  So he would explain how/why they discovered this world, but the world had some Parasitic Life Form that had Killed all the Crew and he lost his Hand in the Process.

The likely hood of Fassbender playing a ONE handed Android is slim so he would either repair his HAND with Spare Parts from Walter and give the Excuse the Covenant Crew Died on the Ship, or explain what happened on the Surface (Omitting some of it) and then either Repair himself or awaken a few Colonist to help him repair himself to cover his tracks.

ONCE you have covered and determined what happens regarding the above, then you can Start to Flesh Out/Create the rest of the PLOT.

I have my own theory on the "birthing" process. However, I am no biologist so maybe someone could fill in the technicalities...

IMO...

From the proboscis extended down a hosts throat, the Facehugger implants a cell. This cell once implanted and settled within the host's chest takes root and secures itself (think of the tendrils underneath the Ovomorph/Eggs). Once secured this cell absorbs one of the host's cells and produces a clone of the host. This cell, which is in essence a form of the black pathogen (a nano-virus-AI), and like a virus, infects the clone embryo within it and reconstructs/reorders the DNA of the host as per the instructions/template stored within the AI component of the cell creating a "biomechanical clone" of the host with maturation traits similar to those of insects, whereby after bursting from the hosts chest the "biomechanical clone" will grow to adult size.

With this method the "biomechanical clone", AKA the Xenomorph, being artificial (AI - artificial intelligence) and being a clone would have no soul, or more correctly would be an empty vessel, devoid of remorse, contempt, or emotion, and be driven by pure survival instincts. The resulting Xenomorph would not adopt traits from its host but instead, inherit them. And finally being a clone of the host they would have their hosts DNA. So if "Big Chap" had his DNA checked it would have come up as a match to Kanes DNA. I think the Xenomorphs human skull and humanlike form (doglike form in Alien 3) support this theory.

What some may not like is that this theory heavily implies that the Xenomorph is not a natural entity, but instead is an artificially created abomination created by a synthetic virus, an artificial biological weapon that creates empty, twisted copies of whatever it kills, much like in Invasion of the Bodysnatchers or the Thing.

wait wasn't the first Alien movie a gothic-lovecraftian horror movie? Guillermo del Toro would be a good choice but Alex Garland's Annihilation scared the shit out of me

My wish list to the scriptwriter is the following:

1. Hope to see David as a protagonist in the story even though his role is questionable right now.
I believe the evil, genocidal scientist position would be an out-of-character role for the actor.

2. Hope to see most of the 2000 colonists survive the next episode.
The damaged Covenant may be on orbit above Origae-6 or it may be crash-landed on the surface but most of the colonists should be alive in stasis.

3. Swearing is bad. It devalues the story and it sounds ugly in film. It should be removed from all dialogue. 

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I think Guillermo del Toro is too gothic to make a good Alien film.

To the OT- I don't think it is who but it is instead what.

The Alien franchise started out as sheer sci fi terror/horror and became more action heavy basically. With the exception of Alien 3, it never quite captured the gritty terror of Alien (and I love the entire Quadrilogy).

I have noticed that the Resident Evil game franchise had a similar evolution and became a convoluted action game.....until it got back to its gritty roots with RE7 and scared the Sh"t out of gamers again. 

If another movie comes out, regardless of the path, it needs to scare on a visceral level. Anything else seems a waste of time imo.

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Cool! I’ve had “Blade Runner 2049” on my watch list for some time now, but I want to see the original “Blade Runner” again first before I watch the sequel because I don’t remember it very well. The thing is, as I understand there are like three or four different versions of “Blade Runner” and I’m not really sure which one to look out for or which is the best (I guess that is subjective though).

By the way, at the time when I wrote this thread, I hadn’t seen “Arrival” yet… I literally have been wanting to see it ever since it came out like three years ago but well… Life and a million inconveniences got in the way, but I finally saw it a couple of days ago and man oh man… What a wonderful movie. It now stands alongside “Contact” for me as the best serious alien contact movie of all time (I say serious because I also enjoy big noisy and fun alien invasion movies like “Independence Day” or “War of the Worlds”).

So yeah, this guy is crazy talented and I’m pretty sure he would do a great “Alien” movie if given the chance.

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Oh cool mate… so, who do you think should do the music for a new “Alien” film?

Lone

Well, I do see your point, and that’s true to an extent, but I do think it matters who the director is… A lot of times whether the studio meddles to much with a project or not I think is has a lot to do with the director in charge of said project; I assume if a director is very respected, has a strong will and a very well defined vision for the movie, it would be a whole lot more difficult for the studio to mess with the project than it would be dealing with an inexperienced director who has maybe a lot of insecurities and doubts and has to prove himself to the world.

Setaverde

You know, Luke Scott is a really an interesting choice, in great part because he is Ridley Scott´s son. That reminded me that just right now, Jason Reitman is directing a new “Ghostbusters” movie, which was the seminal work of his father Ivan Reitman.

Regarding “Morgan”, I saw it, and I think it showed Luke has potential, but as a whole I didn’t quite like it. To me it´s one of those sci-fi movies which has a really interesting premise and set up, only to find itself at a loss later on regarding what to do with that premise.

I feel like that happens a lot with sci-fi movies, I’ve seen quite a few films with really interesting premises that halfway through it’s as if the writers didn’t know where the hell to take the story and the movie just falls apart before reaching the finish line… Some movies that I’ve felt suffered from that same problem where "Limitless", "In Time", "Repo Men" (2010), "Self/less" and "Chappie"; they all had interesting set ups and premises that the movie didn’t quite know how to handle past the midpoint. “Morgan” to me fits squarely with that group of movies.

Still, it doesn’t mean Luke doesn’t have some great movies in his future, I hope he continues to work and that he can have a career as successful as the one his father has had.

About Paul Verhoeven and Peter Hyams… They’re really great and interesting choices (specially Verhoeven.,. I would LOVE to see an “Alien” movie directed by him, if anything it would be crazy as all hell and it won’t be boring AT ALL lol) but I think they’re way too old now, Verhoeven is 81 and Hyams is 76… Although Ridley Scott is 82 and he´s still kicking and screaming so you never know I guess.

And about David Fincher, yeah I thought about him also but given his story with “Alien 3” I’m absolutely certain he would NEVER get involved in an “Alien” related project again so I didn’t mention him for that reason.

NTFS

Yeah, you could say Guillermo del Toro and Ridley Scott share some things in common. Again, I think that Del Toro would do a great and terrifying “Alien” movie if given the chance.

BigDave

Hey Peter Jackson is a really interesting choice, I haven’t thought of him… Maybe because I relate him way more with the fantasy genre than with sci fi but it’s still a really interesting choice.

I couple of people I would add to my list would be Alfonso Cuarón, who made the awesome sci-fi movies “Children of Men” and “Gravity”, and David Robert Mitchell, the director of “It Follows”.

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Regarding Alien Awakening.

If we assume  this will be the Title, then it will Mislead Fans as they would expect we will see a Awakening of the Xenomorph, well at least they wont expect it to be a Awakening of AI.

So i see this as NOTHING New as far as News... i think it is a Waiting Game for something more Official.

The Disappointment with Alien Covenant were having Xenomorphs back did-not help, they have to take on Board what went WRONG! 

At the Moment having the Covenant Ship and its Convenient Thousands of Colonist/Embryo's in Full Control of David and what seems his Agenda to Unleash his Creation (Xenomorph) to Rule the Galaxy, that will END up after the Conclusion of the Prequels as showing WHEN/HOW those Eggs get on Board the Derelict.

And quite a lot of Fans are not pleased that David is Indicated as Creator of the Iconic Beast, that the Prequels are Focused on David, and also Ridley Scotts ideas/interests in exploring Creationism and AI.

So it would be interesting IF/WHEN  a Prequel Continuation is given the GO AHEAD and how much of the Ideas back in April-June 2017 will be changed/given the Thumbs up by Disney.

"Frodo and Sam on a Journey to discover the derelict"

Nah i was thinking more of the Space Jockey Race ;)

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It even has a Connection to maybe the Derelict Incident, and look out for a similar scene to the Deacon Birth ;)