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"I think the world presented in Raised by Wolves will not have the deranged sex offender baggage to it"
Certainly what i mean is there was more to David than that, and it appears Ridley Scotts comments regarding the Sequel would be about AI and what World David would create. That will NOT be about Xenomorphs.
Looking into his comments about AI he said that Replicants are AI and looking at how he claimed the Planet 4 Engineers are the Originals and looking at the Tale/Themes of Prometheus/Bladerunner.
Then looking at the Crossing Viral, and the Alien Covenant Trailer Song. I was drawn to David having the Potential to be kind to a degree, depending how he felt treated. And so i was drawn to think David may Evolve the Human Embryo's to become Evolved Humanoids which David would Raise and Govern over and who knows what kind of Creation Story and Rules he sets for them.
Then when another Human Ship comes in and then its what interaction between these Humanoids and Humans, and then what impact this has on Davids Children.
And so we see that Knowledge is a KEY thing... David was allowed more Free-will and Knowledge compared to Walter, Lucifer the same compared to the other Angels. And its the Upbringing, Free-Will and Knowledge that Shaped Mankind to become what was against what the Engineers would have intended.
My Prometheus sequels ideas i had discussed on here about 2013-2014 had touched upon a similar Plot... David and Dr Shaw would go to a World to Discover Engineers and HUMANS, these Humans brought up in ways that are not Corrupt as Mankind became.... then Dr Shaw interacts with these Humans and they learn of her Faith, and her Mission to Discover her Creator, and this Starts to Interest those Humans, and so the Engineers become Concerned and then aim to SILENCE Dr Shaw before she can Influence those other Humans.
This in part seems similar to the Raised by Wolves Plot, and in part its something i was drawn to maybe where RS was taking the Sequel (prior to Raise by Wolves Announcement).
Raised by Wolves seems to be about TWO Androids who are Raising Children on a Distant World, and have passed on certain Knowledge that Maintains a Certain Culture, then when incoming Humans with different Religious Beliefs turn up they Influence the Civilization those Androids are trying to Raise, and this has some Complications and maybe Confrontations.
I had pondered if Alien Covenant 2 would be similar, as in David is those Androids, and the Children are the Embryos which David will raise and Evolve... Then things go to POT once Humans from Earth arrive.
Thats what i was drawn to from RS comments...
If we only go by the Advent and Alien Covenant, then you would be drawn to David just experimenting on those Humans and Embryos to get Thousands of Xenomorphs and then he needs a Ship thats by LV-426 so you assume he would take the Covenant to LV-223
So David continues his Agenda to Evolve/Mass Create his Xenomorphs and Unleash them on Humanity! But his comments regarding the sequel seems to indicate to me that THIS is not the case.. NOT for the Next Movie... but certainly things will be very Xenomorph in the 4th Prequel.
Guillermo del Toro has a slightly similar style to Ridley Scott.
Film director, Guillermo del Toro, discusses his lifelong fascination with monsters (Link)
Soundtrack- main theme of the film "Relic", from 1997.
I think the Engineers are interesting only in their relation to humans / aliens creation.
They are not that interesting as a species and to make a film only about the Engineers ways of life would be like Rome on another planet. At least for Rome we can check some of the facts.
I think the Engineers contribution to the franchise is over. They created us and they failed at that. They wanted to destroy us and they failed at that too. They might have created the xenomorph but thay failed to prove it, so David took all the credit for himself.
For me it's equal if I see any Engineers in any future film or not. In the end they all have to dissapear along with any word about them.
For the people on earth they are no more than the mysterious giants found in various representations from antiquity.
Keep it that way.
Dark Nebula you have quite a collection.
I like the popcorn bath, the neomorphs seem to enjoy it like hell, the poisoning of 7up with a full ampoule of black goo, and the Wallace & Gromit / Alien crossover.
haha! Nice collection of images!
I love the Pred taking a dump in the facehugger egg XD
Very nice! Hanging upside down from a shower curtain-LOL! It would have been interesting to be hiding from a short distance and observing the posing and taking of the outdoor pics!
Great work!!!
Peter HyamsPaul Verhoeven
Some films of him:
1985 Flesh and Blood 1987 RoboCop 1990 Total Recall 1992 Basic Instinct 1995 Showgirls
1997
Starship Troopers
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Hollow Man
https://m.imdb.com/name/nm0779524/filmotype/director?ref_=m_nmfm_1
Luke Scott.
'Morgan' 2016 is a good movie.
I wasn't aware of this at all I Raptus so thank you for pointing out the novel & the film.
I'll seek both out!
I don't think it matters much who directs. The main problem up to now has been studio/producer interference, meddling with the script & forced changes.
Good point ignorantGuy Now we just need to ask Ridley if he considers that canon in his Alien Universe! :)
The second link is better. You have the pictures in individual documents.
H. R. GIGER work deserves to be of common knowledge.
Nothing substitutes the original book, to flip through the paper pages, that feeling of possession of something unique.
Here's the link to the science article, that motivated me to create This topic,
@Lone
Reality is far more scary than fiction.
Playing God.
According to H. R. GIGER, the skin of Any kind of xenomorph has to be translucid, like we see it on the facehugger eggs when the light reflects on Them and we see the facehuggers moving, reacting to the light. Other thing that H. R. GIGER brought to the alien films was "the culture of the Kiss that Kills". Curiously, Alien Resurrection respects the wishes of H. R. GIGER, maybe because Jean pierre-jeunet is European like H. R. GIGER, and French. Both speak French, although the maternal language of H. R. GIGER is german. In switzerland, in some regions the language mostly spoked is French and, in others, is german. For instance, the swiss Roger Federer, one of the best tennis players of all time, has german as his maternal language.
@Lone Ash was as a Hyperdyne Systems model according to Aliens, not made by WY. As was Bishop according to avp.fandom wiki. And you know what? The relationship between Ash and Bishop seem similar to David and Walter, both were upgraded with emotion inhibitors. How can something full of nostalgia be scary?
It is the same old story, Ridley is the one who discussed the dangerous A.I. aspect in interviews. The irony being that in trying to get away from the over-cooked beast, he focused on a crazy A.I. which is also nothing new. David's evolution has been interesting nevertheless, though not to everyone's liking.
At the end of the day there is very little in Sci-fi which has not been seen before. Old themes & concepts are constantly being recycled & reinvented by script writers & directors.
Why would you create a synthetic who has the potential to go haywire in the way that David did? (It wasn't until after ALIEN that the ASIMOV protocols were put in place.) You would think that someone as clever & influential as Peter Weyland would have had more foresight. Apparently not!
Just to confuse matters, Walter apparently had 'upgrades', which had nothing to do with Weyland, but whoever took control of Weyland Corp after Weyland's death. Yet, Ash was not programmed with those protocols. It's rather messy as it stands.
there is a wealth of Strange Creatures and Art from HR Giger that could be used in numerous ways if we expand beyond Xenomorphs.
BigDave god I hope this does become a thing! But would Giger's estate allow the Alien franchise use of his materials after the soured history between the two do you think?
I agree with Leto. Alex Whites Alien: The Cold Forge is a must read. As well as being an enjoyable plot White attempt's to fill in some of the enigma of the xenomorph reproductive systems :)
I’ve been having the same questions of who should do the music (it’s something I do).
Lone "David is a warning about what could happen if an A.I is set free of restriction & human control.[...] By COVENANT, the damage he sustained plus lack of maintenance has resulted in his maniacal behaviour."
Can't you see a contradiction in your statements there? Even if they had put all those restrictions on him what good they would have been in case of severe damage? This could work only as a cautionary tale against AI plain and simple. Which is the same old story since the appearance of the term Robot.
And why would Weyland make a "perfect" boy with sex drives but also impotent?
@BigDave
"which then David takes as Dr Shaw being the same as every other Human", yet he does not have a shrine to every human and a full collection of porn mags of them. This is the kind of behavior of stalkers (rapists) if anything.
I think the world presented in Raised by Wolves will not have the deranged sex offender baggage to it. But the funny thing is Netflix is Releasing I am Mother next week beating RS at this game.
Im not going to lie the film is pretty weak and frustrating, especially towards the end. It is Entertaining at best.
Yes! It does have a bit of Pitch Black to it!
Im just wondering if the book goes into more detail about the Vesps life cycle and origins, i feel the movie left huge portions outs. I just cant see Lebbon writing something so shallow.
I am unfamiliar with these but added to my list. From the trailer and what you describe, it still sounds interesting. If I watched it without knowing the background, just from the trailer, I would have guessed a little Pitch Black vibe in there and wouldn't guess anything Alien. At any rate, I will try to see it this summer.
PROMETHEUS is filled with so many interesting elements. Ridley said that if you wanted to kill thousands, or millions of people all you need do is add some virus to the water supply.
It's a scary thought, all of those labs filled with every virus known to man. Experiments in Biological Warfare. The Plum Island Animal Disease Facility, for example!
David is a warning about what could happen if an A.I is set free of restriction & human control. In PROMETHEUS, he was the flip-side of the Clone Engineers, who turned on their own masters. By COVENANT, the damage he sustained plus lack of maintenance has resulted in his maniacal behaviour.
That reminded me of Ash, when he attacked Ripley, hell bent on killing her, fellatio style, with the rolled up magazine. Both he & David are 'impotent', which seems to contribute to their treatment of the women who question their actions or motives. It provokes seemingly berserk behaviour!
The problem is that in COVENANT, on the one hand we have mad scientist David's over-the-top Peter O'toole-Lawrence impression, with it's seriousness, intellectual rumination, flute obsession & literary quotation, set against the Covenant crew as monster fodder, action-horror storyline. Those elements do not gel successfully. The more I watch COVENANT, it feels like two films spliced together.
Denis Villeneuve
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Neil Blomkamp
I liked Villeneuve's Blade Runner 2049.
Mixing science with fiction, science fiction. Sometimes dreams come true. Maybe Einstein is the biggest example. We love science fiction because we are dreamers. We like to dream with our eyes wide Open.
Prometheus is an amazing film. Everything is so plausible and rational.
What fears me the most is the biological advances/ breakthroughs. The desire to be god Will provoke our extinction. More than machines/androids/robots.
Easy. You don't understand me. I just write about alien circle from TCF book. I don't criticize you! I just wrote that the Alien life-cycle from the TCF is similar to what you wrote and I thought that it would be interesting for you.
I have written a thesis, a cientific One. But that's not important. It was when i wrote it, but not any more.
Well, you have to do it. You will be pleasantly surprised.
Leto, i never read that book, "cold forge".
Second, This is based on a science article. I never meant to be original. I ONLY bring ideas to the table, good ones, i may say. Prometheus opened with an engineer drinking a Yellow gold liquid, that does exactly what i've described.This is not the right place to write a thesis.
Well, i'm sorry. It's my dream to achieve your high standards. Don't bother to answer me.
Do you read The Cold Forge?
Ovomorph - first organism.
Facehugger - second.
Plagiarus Praepotense - third. The bacterium that rewrite DNA and creates Alien. Facehugger is just a host for Plagiarus Praepotense. Plagiarus Praepotense can create Alien without facehugger. Like Black Goo.
Welcome... and i give this a proper reply at some point over the Weekend.
I will say First... they need to find what PLOT for the Next Alien Movie, regardless of it being a Prequel Continuation a Alien Resurrection Continuation or something else.
ONCE... they have the Kind of Idea/Plot for what they want to do, then you can start to think which Director would suit that Kind of Movie, because Each Director has Strengths and Weaknesses depending what kind of Movie they are working on.
For Instance i dont think a Ridley Scott would be good for a Starship Troopers all Action Re-boot... but he could do well with a Thought Provoking Terminator Movie.
