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BigDave

What about elder and civilized Aliens taking up pulse rifles and killing savage Apes ? (Congo meets Alien in reverse)

"I wonder why they didn't use monkeys instead of humans in A:R?"

I think in part for the Purpose of the Movie, there is more Horror in Humans being Chest Busted....  

As far as the Plot and Purpose of the Xenomorph, maybe the desired outcome is with Human Hosts rather than Primates, so there is something with the Human Brain and Evolution that is of more Benefit for the Organism....  The Prequels are hinting the Xenomorph is Engineered more to so infect Humans... and also its hinted that David found more success with the Human Genetics than the Engineers in the pursuit of his Perfect Creation.

But Certainly as far as Dr Wren is concerned he saw more applications of the Xenomorph than just to use as a Weapon Weapon/Killing Machine, he was looking at the potential Medical and Construction uses for the Xenomorphs unique Genetic/Bio-Mechanical Traits.

Which would mean that WHY use Humans and NOT Primates is a very good Question...

Totally ali81 ;)

Alien Covenant was forced into being a Direct Prequel... where its events would eventually lead to ALIEN to Spoon Feed the Answers of the Xenomorph Origins and set up sequels to eventually lead to the Derelict/Space Jockey.

It carried over the Black Goo, trying to explain what this stuff could do, it brushed aside Dr Shaw and the Engineers because FOX felt Fans wanted Xenomorph Origins and Xenomorph related Shenanigans and that they could continue David's ARC  and explore the Creation Themes and Philosophy with David and so did not need Dr Shaw or Engineers.

The movie tried so hard to please every fan....  Alien Fans... with some Alien Movie kind of Action (just for such a limited time) Aliens Fans with some Aliens kind of Action (Neomorphs and again such a limited time)...  while still reflecting it about ORIGINS and WHEN/WHY rather than HOW/WHERE the Xenomorph Orgins came about... where RS/FOX felt the David Curve-ball would be interesting...  while it covered the When/Why/Where and loosely How....   i think the Curve-ball is something that has not settled well with Fans.

RS also knew you had be invested in the Characters... so SLOW Build up was used with Alien Covenant so that they dont rush into the Xenomorph/Alien Encounters and $&%& Hitting the Fan too soon...  Sadly the Build up did nothing to really bring home the Characters.

The ALIENS (Xenomorph type attacks vs Humans with Guns)  and ALIEN/ALIEN 3 (Xenomorph on a Ship, Xenomorph on the loose Hunting Humans) kind of scenes did not have much time dedicated to do them ANY Justice and they became just Plot Device Cameo's

Because the Majority of the Plot was around David and his Agenda/Actions and his interactions/differences with Walter.

The Movie was trying to FORCE too much in too short a time... this MOVIE needed about 3 hours to do any of the Plot Justice.

fans wanted an 'alien' movie. they thought RS would give a masterpiece where an alien chases people. basically a rehash of the original but with enough differences as to be a stand alone movie but didn't have the IQ to see that the franchise needed a different direction. didn't even get it when RS stated he was going to investigate the only true mystery in the franchise which was the SJ and the eggs but to do that in a trilogy, some patience was required but no, they wanted f*****g aliens so now we have a movie that does nothing for the franchise except probably lead up to destroying the whole mystery of the derelict scene. changes changes changes and ill bet wer getting about 30 percent of the story RS wanted to tell.

so to the OT, where alien is concerned as it is an alien forum, its got nothing to do with the 'wev seen it all before' issues facing sci-fi. its down to a magician behind a camera having a vision im betting is 30 years old and after 1 movie hes been forced to dump a lot of his ideas in favour of the safe tried and tested path.

This is similar to discussions we had in the past Regarding the Egg Morph.

If we ASSUME  a Hive has ONE Queen...  we have to ask HOW does a Queen come to be?

But its more than just that, i think the most Logical Explanation has to be once a Hive is Set up, the Xenomorph Hive Construction (The Material the Walls etc are built with) either let of certain Pheromones or Signals that interact with the Eggs and Queen.

There has to be Logically some way the Hive Complex, Eggs and Queen can interact with each other even at the base level of Pheromones.

So as that maybe Once a Queen has died or leaves the HIVE Permanently maybe some Eggs Gestate a Drone Xenomorph instead of Warriors.  Or a Royal Face Hugger?

The Drone Xenomorph i had the inclination that this is what Gestates from a Xenomorph Embryo when the Embryo is  away from the HIVE/Cargo of Eggs.   Where it is out of reach of signals be it Pheromones, Telepathy or something else.

The Drone is Born and its Purpose is to EGG MORPH a host into a Royal Face Hugger which then would Gestate a Queen and then set up a New Hive.

Another route could be that WHEN a Queen Dies or Leaves the HIVE the Warrior Xenomorphs can Manipulate Eggs to Gestate a Royal Face Hugger.

"What about a full movie from the perspective of a Xenomorph from chest bursting to what ever happens to them at old age."

Certainly would be a NEW ish Spin on the Franchise from the POV of the Xenomorph, but would something like this work?

You would have to have Characters or else it would maybe not work or please general fans..... so it would end up maybe more like a FRIDAY THE 13TH Part 13   But have more of the Scenes from Jasons POV

I think these kinds of ideas work better for a Game....

I think Prometheus was offering ideas that while not Original it was a attempt to merge a number of ideas into something some what Fresh. I think now its become a MESS due to the Direction Alien Covenant had taken the Prequels.

Featured this, excellent post~

I think the whole Prometheus vs Changes debate, all comes down to NOT how well at the Box Office Prometheus did but how a majority of fans had problems with the movie and its direction.  Ridley Scott had said its a loose prequel, it has some connective tissue but it was set to give us something NEW and explore the Space Jockey/Engineers and set up a explanation to the Universe and a sequel would Steer from ALIEN.

But there was a lot of Fans and Public who picked up on these flaws or complaints.

*Its a Alien Universe Movie but does not show the ALIEN (Xenomorph)

*Its a Prequel Movie but it does not give any real definite clues to HOW/WHEN/WHY the Xenomorph was created or Originated from and a Sequel that would Steer Away from Alien would mean NOT getting these Answers a number of Fans thought Prometheus would give.

*Some Fans were not pleased about the way the Space Jockey was reduced to 7.5ft Bald Angry Humanoids, and the whole Gods/Creation Philosophy and themes NEVER really connected or had anything really to do with the ALIEN Franchise.

*Sadly Dr Shaw's Character was not considered too interesting, and Fans of the ALIEN Franchise are not so much interested in her Questions that could defy her Faith... They wanted ALIEN Environments, Alien Origins Answers.

So FOX would have been looking at these kinds of complaints, and things that it appeared Fans may have been less/or more interested in and HENCE it guided them to make changes to incorporate the above, as FOX felt doing so would surely mean more Success than Prometheus.

*Prometheus just never had that ALIEN Haunted house Feel, it never had that ALIENS Action Feel and it certainly lacked Horror and Gore and Humans Dealing with Horrific Alien Creatures as good as the ALIEN Franchise had.

So they took the maybe interesting parts of Prometheus which was David and the Black Goo..... looked at the Criticisms for Prometheus and added what they felt Prometheus was lacking but SADLY it lead to a somewhat Forced/Rushed Movie that tried to be a bit of everything.

BigDave

What about a full movie from the perspective of a Xenomorph from chest bursting to what ever happens to them at old age.

ali81

Coin tossing!

In regards to the OT.... 

I think every genre its quite hard to come up with something Original, we have the Golden Era of the 70's/80's and 90's where even some of those ideas had been done to a degree prior but the late 70's allowed for better effects to make the worlds more believable.   So what RS said is true but it applies to more than just Scfi-Fi.

I would say the Sci-Fi Genre is still something you can come up with something more Original much more easier than others, i would say Fantasy Genre too....  because your not restricted by as many boundaries but its still hard to come up with something REALLY Original.

sometimes a Original Idea would come along or one that has more original elements than many movies around, but these are NOT Big Budget movies.... where in this case THESE ideas could be Ripped-Off and borrowed or incorporated for a Bigger Budget Flick... that some may see as quite Original but in reality borrowed from a less known movie that already touched on some kind of ingenuity.

What i am saying is its not only about finding something Original its about Executing this idea and what kind of Budget/Cast these movies have.

We also have a way of being somewhat Original by Merging TWO Concepts/Genres into one to give something Persudo-Original as we saw with CLOVERFIELD... it was not Original... we have had Giant Monster movies since the Dawn Of Cinema...  The Found Footage Genre was also not Original but the Combining of the TWO is what made Cloverfield somewhat unique... but its a case of doing a Sequel that is again Found Footage would simply not be Original or Groundbreaking anymore.

so this brings us to what Ridley Scott said about Characters... while you can struggle to find something NEW anymore, that does not mean a idea that has been done Can-Not be made to feel Fresh! And also its about having a Good Story and Great Characters/Dialog that really can make a already DONE idea appeal a bit more.

I sadly dont think the Prequels have been Great in its Characters, Prometheus was not too too bad.... David was by far the Stand Out Character....   but then with Alien Covenant.. they brushed under the Carpet Dr Shaw with the Engineers and David while in some scenes was interesting, in others he was NO-WHERE as well done a Character as in Prometheus..  

With Daniels... she was a high ranked Character, her and her Husband were the Leaders of the Expedition but the Character of Daniels just never seemed to work, i think because the movie was going back and forth a bit between a few Characters... Oram, Daniels and Tennessee that it was hard to gauge who was really the lead.  And it appeared they was all just attachments and plot devices to give us the Walter vs David Story.

rock paper scissors?

Maybe the eldest remaining Xenomorph mutates into a new queen? Or they maybe duke it out? Or maybe they hold elections, with some Republican and Democrat Xenomorphs.

ali81

I admit my guilt for staying silent, but I never could imagine that such a loud minority could be so "persuasive".

only my opinion but where the alien franchise is now is where we deserve it to be. the Prometheus haters were loud and the Prometheus lovers were silent. RS WAS going for something new. he knew the issues with sci-fi and wanted to do something different as shown in Prometheus. if fans had just waited to see where Ridley was going I believe the Prometheus sequel wouldv been soo much better I think. but no. they moaned n moaned n RS and Fox changed things up and went the safe route they believed the fans wanted. ridley couldv gave us a prequel trilogy that other directors couldv advanced for another 10 movies in all sorts of directions but now that's not possible. good job....

I still like the David character (and Fassbender) but the more I watch Covenant the more Im not to keen on how he was portrayed in that film. I liked him in Prometheus where he went about his nefarious business under the radar of the others, manipulating events with a subtle hand. 

Instead of being directly confrontational, and vindictive like he we see in AC he conducted himself without emotion, and it made him more dangerous and unpredictable...and that made his character more dynamic. In AC he is just a mad scientist.

They needed to put Advent in the film, it showed his more unemotional/unremorseful side.

Terrorist or hero- seems to depend on which side one is on.

That's DissectedEngineer's Xeno cake she got not to long ago.  I haven't seen her on here in awhile.  I think she was saying school was starting and she's a teacher.

BigDave said, "But back the point about Call being a Terrorist i think it fits well, because if we look at AI Evolving to be so advanced like Ash/David or a Call or the Replicants...."

Still, when Dr. Wren called Call a terrorist, he had no idea that she is an android.  He had no evidence that Call was even a terrorist except the fact that she was messing with Ripley's cell.  I think Dr. Wren called Call a terrorist maybe because it was the first thing that made logical sense to him on the spur of the moment.  Plus, if AI is acting like you think it is in the Alien franchise around A:R times, then I'm sure that Dr. Wren would logically think to call Call a terrorist during the spur of the moment since then the word 'terrorist' would be a buzz word during those times.  Still, I don't think Dr. Wren had any idea that Call was a robot.  Maybe the crashing of a similar research vessel as described in "Sea of Sorrows" just is making any research vessel a little paranoid.  I'm sure the Auriga is extra paranoid because of what they're researching too.  I'm sure security is typically fairly low on those since it's just research.  Plus, I'm sure most of those vessels are in controlled space, unlike the Auriga.  I would assume they would have extra security to protect themselves from terrorists or pirates, like the Betty. 

Instead, why not hire the Betty to do your dirty work and pay them for it so they have no reason to attack the ship.  I'm a little out there on that idea, but hey, I just thought I'd mention it.  I wonder why they didn't use monkeys instead of humans in A:R?  I'm sure those Xeno's would be smaller and easier to control.  Or maybe use an animal with less intelligence, unlike humans, to make them easier to control.

Maybe they would make some good meat for Steamed Hams. Would make it an unforgettable luncheon

IRaptus

That I said also. I have never about it either before the Esquire claim. It appears that in the book the protagonist is partly Asian... ok what ever.

I did not understand what the fuss was about the Ghost in the Shell movie, as in the anime/manga the characters are not very asian looking in the first place and in that world Big Corps replaced governments and Almost of the protagonists body is robotic. 

Now can we get Alien: Isolation in VR too?!! XD

ignorantGuy yeah Im not sure about that the whitewashing scandal, Im guessing something to do with distribution rights perhaps? 

In Australia, we got Annihilation via Netflix. Good film, but again unravelling and exploring what is inside 'the shimmer', and the motivations driving the teams that went inside could have much better explored via a series. Series are the definitely the way forward for that multimedia experience :)

IRaptus

But they said also about Annihilation that was involved in a whitewashing scandal, but I have never heard about (and they link it to themselves) and they frame it as the cause for it not being in the UK. wtf?

Well the most interesting (more then any X-men, Logan, F4, Spider-mans, Avengers, etc) of the Marvel stuff I find to be Legion and that is also a series now in it's second season.

Sorry Hollywood, but it is time for you to adapt. When did you make the last truly intelligent character or charismatic?

ignorantGuy its funny you say that. I originally come across the article on The Expanse's main Facebook group, they were defending the series against such Netflix bashing.

The Expanse like several other Netflix series use low-key, non-established actors that have hours of run-time to develop their characters. And it works! Their characters and plots are in the order of magnitudes more robust and relatable than big name actors in 2-3hr blockbusters! 

I am all for series like this taking over the mantle of cinematic entertainment! I would go so far as to encourage the Alien franchise to get on-board too.

Let Marval/DC fans have their popcorn and explosion fest of spoon-fed unintelligent blockbusters.  

On the other forum (that with galaxy in the name) it states that this will be playable in malls only as it requires spacial hardware, and it will cost $22 per 15 minutes of play.

It will have a wireless headset, but my question is have the solved the latency issues with such devices? Or will this stagger.

CBodilyFaceHugger

Almost certainly the Queen in the David context will be the some form of Queen of Bathsheba. "The Bathsheba incident leads to a shift in the book's perspective; afterwards David "is largely at the mercy of events rather than directing them".He is no longer able to control his family, and ends up being overthrown by Absalom" wikipedia.com

This is as clear as the switcharoo was in Covenant. How can this be exciting and new? Can I root for a genocidal rapist megalomaniac @..-hole? I'm interested in seeing it, no.

CBodilyFaceHugger

Sorry but Hannibal was only really good when opposing Foster's Clarice, and being the only non @$$-hole man around her (being civilized and all). However David kills and probability raped his Clarice, so no, he is just the next maniacal asshole .

I will only say that half of that article was netflix bashing, saying that their characters are bad, but what about mainstream Hollywood schi-fi characters? Are they really that good?

This could be the best game I will never play.

Longer movies could make a big difference in a good way. Then the problem of pleasing fickle fans comes into play. It was too long whaah!

Also, it might be harder to take risks with studios wanting to play it safe for profits sake. 

 A large part of the Alien lore was the ambiguous and ancient endless mystery of the origins of the Xenomorph. This seems like a double edged sword in that a lot of people don't seem to like ambiguity and want every minute facet Xenomorph explained in painstaking detail. 

Sadly I don't have a VR gaming system...

I understand that the prequels, so far, don't have a lead character throughout.  But, maybe Ridley Scott is trying to do this on purpose.  Ripley has been a lead character for 4 movies and almost a 5th!  I feel like Scott is trying to emphasize this fact by not carrying over any lead characters from any of the prequels.  Well, at least lead characters that are on the side of humanity.  We do have David, but he is a villain. So, instead of a good, caring, person who is on the side of good, we get an evil, self-centered, android who is on the side of bad.  I think Ridley Scott is just trying to reinvent a big part of the Alien franchise, which is the fact that Ripley is the main character in the original 4.

Still, deeper characters in each of the prequels movies would have been nice.  Still, the movies have been limited to 2 hrs.  Maybe they should be limited to 2hr 30min to allow more character development time.

I think Scott, like many others, has for many years and will continue for years to come, to explore the connections between faith and science... or in my eyes - spirituality and science, this latter of the two being something many Atheists say to have (spirituality/science). I think trying to over define the engineers and even David in a greater sense than how they portray themselves in the movies is rather pointless. Go with what we know and break it down from there - coulda woulda shoulda's aren't going to explain or sum up anything as Scott seems to be saying: we don't really fucking know what's on the other side of the veil nor we will ever know. 

While I would LOVE for Scott to drag out his theories into three to five more movies we have to admit here that (at least as far as we know to date) there is to be only ONE more movie that will connect us to the original. This leaves us very little time for such grandiose ideas on discovering the Universe. I think we are simply going to see how David is able to create the original Alien species and program Mother and future Androids to carry out his agenda... I think it will be the Alien species that destroys David in the end... whatever the engineers part is I don't think it will be much, as Scott simply does not have the time to evolve the story as he originally intended. (I for one loved the engineers and admit it is sad that we won't likely receive enough closure in what their purpose truly is or was). 

I find this to be fantastic! Having a degree in Psychology I definitely have always loved Hannibal as he is fascinating on so many levels, and damn this makes sense of why I find this to be true with David as well. It is intriguing to think that David is an android gone bad because he is able to feel and ultimately develops a conscious - while Hannibal is not an android there is definitely a connection on how both felt extremely robbed of their humanity and feel the overwhelming need to be able to create something meaningful to leave behind... as a way to error correct how they have been wronged I think... anyhow David's skewed sense/ideas on morality show through in the future android Ash (I'll leave Bishop out of this as Cameron's ideas here deviated away from the android wanting control). "I admire its purity" - Haha, I can picture Hannibal borrowing this line! In all I would have to say that all three actors here (Fassbender, Holm, Hopkins) are the REASONS for why these characters have so much depth to them... unlike Winona Ryder's character in Resurrection.... so gross. 

BigDave said, "I think this is a rael problem with literally prequels as Lindeloff rightly said you are always going to end up knowing how it ENDS"

I agree with this to a point.  Still, the I think how the eggs get on LV-426 can be ignored till the last 15 minutes.  The rest 1hr and 45 min of the movie can be about anything else.  The last 15 minutes could be explained in a very simple dialogue between David and an Engineer teaching David a lesson.

In that kind of story, the 1979 ALIEN doesn't weigh down the last of the prequels.  Instead, Alien: Awakening covers how the rogue A.I. David dies, Engineer culture, and what happened to the 2,000 colonists.  The Engineer culture could explain everything really and that is something greatly missing from the prequels.  I feel that the idea that David created the first Xenomorph to EVER EXIST could be wrong.  David could have a rude awakening and realize he is not the next, great visionary that he thought he was.  Instead, David finally realizes he's not a visionary, but instead, is a rotten, spoiled, and evil "child" of humans because he forgot how to be a robot, which is what he is.  He could reply, "But it was what I was programmed to do." (because Walter said the David series had to be recalled).  I'm sure David would be crying too.  The Engineer then replies with some interesting wit that only David would understand because he found some of it on Planet 4 when investigating what David did.  The Engineer could say something like, "You killed my people and took advantage of our knowledge to leave constant destroy in your wake.  You can't even be what you were "born" to do.  There is no forgiveness for what you have done."

The Engineer could go on...

"Your just like a fellow Engineer who thought he could take life and death into his own hands.  In the end, though David, we killed him too and we're going to do the same with you.  You can't escape your creators!" (the Engineers created humans who created robots.  So, in a sense, the Engineers are David's creators too.)

Maybe we could get a last shot of the derelict on LV-426 during this Engineer speech and maybe a little visuals on showing how the Engineers killed the rogue Engineer.

Indeed i am glad you understand the Philosophy/Themes at play ;)

Its quite easy to F-Up though because a lot of people are not interested in the route RS was taking....  It could make for a interesting movie, but just not a ALIENY movie as some fans may want... Blade Runner 2049 did not do well at the Box Office but its certainly a Good movie.

I had planned with my Prometheus 2 and 3 to indicate the AI/Company element a bit more.... it appears RS also had this vision too. Where the Company and mankind are mere Puppets to the Synthetics/AI without even knowing about it... AKA Matrix kind of Plot.

The whole.. "what did you do to her [Elizabeth]?" - "Exactly what I'm going to do to you" was ambiguous and could mean multiple things.... it could hint that David had feelings for Dr Shaw that was more than Platonic and he misinterpreted her kindness for Love... gets Rejected and then takes that Bad and Love turns to Hate for him.

But on the other hand it shows (applies to Davids latter Agenda with Daniels) that maybe he WILL use Daniels to be able to Create many more of his (Creations Xenomorph Eggs)

I dont think we would see a Literal Queen as in Daniels + Face Hugger =  Egg Laying Xenomorph... but who knows.. i would assume he may use Daniels as in either her Reproductive Organs or Egg Cells to create more Xenomorphs... or Evolve her into as Hybrid that can Lay Eggs.

I had these ideas/interpretations after Alien Covenant came out, and months after we see some Concept works from Hallet/Hatton that depict very much the same ideas.

I think the Xenomorph getting out of control so David can-not control it and he becomes overthrown by it fits very much with the Hubris and Philosophical themes Prometheus and Alien Covenant was exploring.

My Planned Tale was kind of different... a tale where we would maybe feel for David, see him gain Love, see him make a Deal with the Devil and have them Screw David and cause him to loose his Love Interest and Birth the Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph... But David via Sacrifice gains Redemption... leading to the Space Jockey.

Regarding Blomkamps Alien 5

It appears this project had some interesting ideas.... its only FLAW?

Resurrecting Ripley, Newt and Hicks...  i think the route Blomkamp was taking was like a Fork in the Road... so we have Alien, Aliens (and Prequels) we then get to the aftermath of Aliens where Alien 3 comes in...

Blomkamp was going to offer a WHAT IF.... as in what if the events of Alien 3 dont happen... so it gives the fans a Alternative Sequel to Aliens.... where Fans can enjoy Alien 3 and Alien 5 but consider them as TWO alternative endings/continuations to Aliens.

I was HARSH on his ideas as i think it was a Fan Service that had to bring in Ripley, and apparently at FIRST his ideas never included Ripley but while working with Miss Weaver she had discussed his ideas and got him to include Ripley (i thought Miss Weaver wanted Ripley dead in Alien 3 lol).

But it seems his ideas seem to tell a story of the Company getting the Derelict (or other Engineer Ship) and Finally getting their hands on not only the Xenomorph but Engineer Technology and attempting to Re-Engineer and Utilize both.

Latter his ideas evolves to reinstate Ripley, Hicks and Newt, even maybe passing the Torch to Newt.  Again.... I was not a Fan of this idea... due to how it could affect Alien 3....

I think Blomkamps ideas could merge well with my ideas for how to carry on after Alien Resurrection.. and still include Miss Weaver.

I had/have a idea how to make the Derelict appear to be so old, it involves a Engineer well those well above the Engineers Technology that Destroys LV-223 and causes a Rift in Space and Time.. that sends the Derelict back thousands of years....  But also could open up Alternative Dimensions/Futures.

But taking this route for Alien is one thing.. allowing the Alternative Universes caused by a EVENT (Tear in Space and Time) to also allow for a Blomkamps Alien 5 instead of Alien 3 opens up a whole CAN OF WORMS where they can just Retcon what ever they want...

Just as the Clover-Universe has done after the Cloverfield Paradox movie.

I for one feel that Ridley and Fassbender would have to work hard to fuck up this next sequel. But this is coming from a fan who really loved Prometheus and Covenant. David is fantastic and I hope there is an explanation of how David is able to program Mother and future androids to follow his agenda. I am hoping that Scott finds a way to bring the "Queen" element in... otherwise, the whole new prologue to Covenant ALONG with David telling Daniels after she asks "what did you do to her [Elizabeth]?" - "Exactly what I'm going to do to you" is quite pointless. I also hypothesize that  it will be (or in my mind at least should be) the Queen who finally takes down David, rather than the engineers. After all, David himself foreshadowed this in Prometheus when he told Shaw - "Doesn't everyone want their parents dead?" 

I think the whole whining of how the Alien creatures in covenant deviated from the original in that they are "too fast" etc. is really stupid. I mean, I do get that the original Alien's magnificence is that it moved so human like BUT; number one: I'm sure if more CGI effects were around in those days Scott would have made the creature move faster (and let's not forgot just how fast it moves in the air duct scenes), secondly: yes the creature in covenant moves more like a cat but let's not forgot that David has not yet finished with his DNA mixing. Also the chest burst birth scene in covenant is quite brilliant in that they constructed a puppet with wires - connection here to how the original chest burst scene was set up. Again, if Scott had the materials and back up CGI he was able to use in 2017 I think this very well would have been his intended scene for the original. That being said, the original creature and it's exciting evolutionary/metamorphosis changes are near flawless so this could be left up for debate.

In closing, I am simply relieved the creatures in covenant did not move like damn  velociraptors... ya know, like they did back in Alien Resurrection? While Cameron's Aliens was good I find that Prometheus and Covenant are much more relate able to the original (and as for the rest of the films, god love you Sigourney, were pretty damn terrible). 

@I Moon Girl

I think this is a rael problem with literally prequels as Lindeloff rightly said you are always going to end up knowing how it ENDS

The Direction to change Prometheus and what it may have covered to Alien Covenant has now taken, had now left us with 1-2 movies where at somepoint the Xenomorph will have to be shown again, and indicated as to how so many Eggs get on the Derelict.

This is where they have written themselves into a Corner... IF we Safely Assume without Davids Actions and Experiments on Planet 4 there would be NO Xenomorph Eggs on LV-426 then the Ending of Alien Covenant does set up a Spoon Fed Story to connect the dots..

*Thousands of Eggs on the Derelict CHECK

*David is the Creator of the Eventual Xenomorph CHECK

With......

*David alone in control of the Covenant ship with THOUSANDS of Colonist and Embryos and TWO Xenomorph Face Hugger Embryos.

This is more than Coincidence... all thats needed now is HOW/WHEN does Davids Xenomorph (IF if does) get evolved to the more Mechanical Xenomorph in ALIEN?

How/when DOES Davids Xenomorph Eggs get onto a Engineer Ship that then is heading or leaving from the Zeta 2 Reticuli System?

Again this shows that a Engineer Ship has to come into play... and then we have to consider does David go to Origae-6 and WHY and we have to assume Origae-6 is not close to LV-223/426 but Davids Eggs must Evolve and End up near/in that system within a space of 10  YEARS to link to the Derelict in Alien.

Its how can this be tackled... yet giving a movie that is LESS Xenomorph and more AI as RS puts it?

My Alien: Ascension sequel covers this but its only in broad ideas and synopsis stage as i have a few routes it can evolve and so i have yet to decide where exactly it will go.... MAINLY because of how i wish to explore the Final Chapter Alien: Absolution and its case of ideas for Part 3 may conflict those in Part 2.

Hence the reason i abandoned my very AI/Company Prometheus 2, because of conflicts with my very Engineers and GOD.. Part 3 ideas.