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That was my best way to describe the "black goo" substance ali81 that the scientists are trying to capture when the face hugger deposits the egg. I believe it is similar to what we saw with Fifield and Kane in regards to the mutagen dissolving the most difficult materials without pause.
It is unknown if Plagiarus praepotens is the mutagen seen in Alien: Covenant (and/or Prometheus) when David introduces himself to those on Planet 4 but the mutagen described in Alien: The Cold Forge has "locomotion" similar to what was seen in the attack.
BigDave, I highly recommend this novel. As far as the how the novels fit together, Alien: Covenant Origins certainly fits and tells us what the Company and competitors were doing before contact with the xenomorphs or Engineers. The Cold Forge describes a place where the Company is very early in their direct studies of the xenomorph and their biggest enemy is their own assumptions.
Yes, you must read it ASAP, IRaptus. The facility in Alien: The Cold Forge is a converted prison/bunker-type complex Weyland-Yutani Corporation bought on the cheap. And it sounds like Walter has been put out to pasture, below.
"you sound like one of those old poetry-quoting models. Like Walter or something."
Alien: The Cold Forge, page 20.
"To answer the thread...
I would say we get to follow Ripley actually LIVING on Earth. We can get some real great info on the conditions of Earth after the ORIGINS novel too."
Excellent I Moon Girl. I was going to bring up the same points you made regarding Sea of Sorrows. This novel was a great continuation from the Alien Resurrection film and could certainly tie together concepts seen in the films and what is read about in previous novels.
I highly recommend Alien: The Cold Forge. I might choose this novel, with Alien: Sea of Sorrows behind it, to be made into the next film if it were up to me. What I read, in my opinion, in The Cold Forge brought together the best we have seen in films with suspense, violence, exotic technology, treachery, and two parts that could be made into the best imagery seen yet in film. Think of the movie Sunshine combined with Ex Machina combined with the last 45 minutes of Aliens.
Yes, both involve a xenomorph(s) and both parts are without a synthetic. Cue up the smiles from the AI-angle haters here. And there are more examples of AI I Moon Girl in The Cold Forge than any other novel or film.
What I liked about the Sea of Sorrows novel was that Weyland-Yutani was resurrected after being broke up and the Company saved Earth by cleaning the atmosphere for a 2nd time with their processors.
This tied into the old Weyland Industries timeline, below.
Michael Bishop was certainly saved by Ripley's perfect reverse dive.
Weyland-Yutani Corp would have fed him to the xenomorph hoard to get around paying his bonus should he have been successful on Fury 161.
This is how the Company handles most everyone in the 2100s in the novels.
Great angle BigDave regarding the "egg".
"mixing the Cosmic Egg/Turtle Idea, with HR Giger Twist could be a way to get the Origins of the Universe to something VERY Alien and HR Giger we could then Propose a Horrific Agenda for all of this.... one which could see a Hierarchy of Creations where at least we would see some Alien Beings a use of the Starbeast Civilization idea working for a Higher Power"
Biomechanical Factories
This concept described above certainly fits in regards to the mural seen in Prometheus (below) and the turtle-shell-shaped "pyramids" seen on LV-223. I know that you wrote that the biomechanical ships might be miles across but I'm just citing the function of the LV-223 structures seen in the comics and early Giger artwork.
Elden, below.
I think the whole Praetorian idea explored in Comics/Games is something a certain portion of the Fanbase would be up for.... while the Egg Morph = Queen is something the Alien fans who disprove of the Camerons Aliens or the Comics would prefer.
I can kind of understand Camerons Explanation that the Big Chap would evolve to the Warriors, and that the Protective Dome/Glass would eventually disappear but we have to ask what was its Purpose?
If it was to Protect the Xenomorphs Brain/Mechanics behind its Head, as its Developing then i guess this would make Sense... Much like a Baby Human do not have Thick Formed Bone at the Top of their Skulls but this Hardens as the Infant grows and develops.
Because in affect Camerons Aliens where intended to have the Protective Visor/Dome Glass but they was to Fragile and kept breaking or coming away and so he did without them.
Only the Head Underneath is different to that under the Big Chap... mainly as far as the detail of the Human Skull Beneath.
But this is not too clear under the Actual Big Chap Glass/Visor
And more so in Full Color Glory
And so Ignoring any Shot of the Big Chap without that Glass/Dome you can not really imagine how detailed it would be like underneath.
Therefor Camerons take on the Evolution is something that kind of can be accepted, its certainly only a bit odd IF we compared Camerons Xenomorph vs the Big Chap minus the Visor etc.
And so from Camerons Xenomorphs the Evolution to a Praetorian is something that indeed could make some sense... But the difference from a Praetorian to a Queen is much more different, but who knows what Process could happen to Evolve to this and so it CANT be ruled out as Plausible for the Movie Franchise.
I just think the Egg Morph is a disturbing Scene, and its just how does this FIT with the Xenomorph... i have spoken to some Aliens Fans who Refuse to even contemplate it or any ideas that Remove the Queen and so are BUGGED OUT (Pun intended) by what Alien Covenant had shown.
Ingeniero thanks for the reminder! I must read this now!
Im glad you are enjoying it. Some good news XD
"So I'm not sure that the comparison with Ozymandias quite works."
In General its to fit with the Philosophy at play in Prometheus and so it can connect in a number of ways... Ozymandias is the Egyptian pharaoh Ramesses II.
So its open to different interpretation but the theme at play is we can have GODS and KINGS and Great Monuments can be Erected to show their Legacy, so they may Remain Immortalized in these Monuments... but eventually a King Dies... eventually all that Remains are the Monuments to their Deeds and their Legacy but over time... these things will Fall and Decay...
On Earth we have Many Ancient Monuments and Statues, including many in Egypt.... if the World Suffered a Event where Mankind was WIPED OUT say 2000-3000 years ago.... then in 2000-3000 years from Now what would remain of those Ancient Sites and Monuments?
If Mankind had died out in antiquity, so before the Steel/Metal Revolution and so Architecture was at that stage of Ancient Rome, Greece and Egypt.... when MANKIND died out.... in 100'000 years would any other Race coming to Earth Recognize these Monuments?
Prometheus HINTS to us that the Engineers came to Earth and many of Ancient Mankinds Monuments devoted to Gods etc were in fact devoted to the Engineers.
We see the Engineer City in Alien Covenant, and its Statues too, and NOW After David Eradicated the Engineers... what would become of this place in Thousands, if not Hundreds of Thousands of years?
"Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away"
ONCE a Powerful King a Great Pharaoh Long Gone.... all that remains, is the Ruined Monuments Erected in his Name.
This applies to Legacy too as in Weyland... as he lives on as a Legacy in David... David is his Works.... and so the Xenomorph is Davids and when David is long gone.... people can Look on his Works (Xenomorph) and Despair.
Well ANOTHER Creation Mythos also came to mind...
The WORLD TURTLE which is in many Mythos too.....
So if we have these EGGS... maybe the First Egg created Galactic Turtles? But dont think of just any TURTLE but what if inside we have HUGE Bio-Mechanical Ships that appear to look like Giant Space Turtles and these Turtles can Produce Eggs that can be Programed to Perform various Creation Tasks.
These HR Giger Inspired somewhat Galactic Turtles appear to look like Skeletal Turtles but they are Giant Bio-Mechanical Living Ships and by Giant i am talking maybe DEATH STAR or smaller Sized, but certainly say MILES in size, and i mean HUNDREDS of Miles at the Very Least. The Scope could be anything from say Hundreds of Miles to Thousands, and so Large Enough to even have some of them Carry like Large Continents on their Backs under a Protective Dome.
But its what goes on inside these Monstrous Bio-Mechanical Ships, that could be TRULY ALIEN i IMAGINE not only can they Produce Cosmic Eggs but that they also maybe have Chambers where Organisms are Sacrificed by being connected to Bio-Mechanical Walls and their DNA Extracted and this then is used to Produce Alien Eggs that Hatch Organisms that are Similar to Xenomorphs, well the Xenomorph traces its Ancestry to it maybe the Organism from the Prometheus Fresco? or something Similar and maybe THESE Organisms could be Advanced and Civilized to a Degree like the STARBEAST was intended.
Maybe the Sacrificial Process above where Organisms are Sacrificed for their Genetic Make up to then be used by Giger-esque Pregnant Bellies with maybe Vaginal Openings where the Eggs are laid from? Maybe this whole Sacrificial Process happens on Smaller Ships than the TURTLES but Large Ships None the Less... GROWN inside the TURTLE Ships?
When i look at the Door Ways in PROMETHEUS which is also the same above the MURAL i notice the Head/Face at the Top is somewhat similar to a Turtle Skull and so indeed these Turtle Bio-Mechanical Ships could have Heads like those above the Mural/Door Ways.
I would also be looking to connect the Mural, as in some parts of it at the Top we see what appear to be TWO kinds of Egg Shaped things.
So i think mixing the Cosmic Egg/Turtle Idea, with HR Giger Twist could be a way to get the Origins of the Universe to something VERY Alien and HR Giger we could then Propose a Horrific Agenda for all of this.... one which could see a Hierarchy of Creations where at least we would see some Alien Beings a use of the Starbeast Civilization idea working for a Higher Power, and whom Created the Engineers for a Sacrificial Purpose.
Revealing the Engineers and Space Jockey Races both Stole their Technology from Further up the more Ancient Hierarchy.
thanks dk and Thoughts_Dreams for joining us.
I believe that the biomechanical concept with the engineers is a topic of the highest value, something that could regain the divided fans.
The engineers 'suit looks like a symbiont, a living organism capable of protecting the individual, an idea that lets me think is to imagine the engineers' cryo-capsule, produce this living fabric, I mean living because it comes out of the dark purple liquid shooting on Prometheus, protecting the bust of the individual keeping him alive.
the central concept is here: if David played with this bio matter, he can modify it and get something macabre according to Giger's imagination, in turn there may be other types of experimentation on this new formula.
A creature that has aroused not a little interest from the beginning is this mural that highlights the divine supremacy of an engineer on a biomechanical creature, as if it were his creation.
If these creatures still go back before the deacons and evolved in the form of slaves on the capital planet, then there could be a war on the two factions and not really a mass murder.
"Au Revoir Shoshanna"
