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20CB, I agree with you 110%, but to keep things on the up and up I have to lock this thread. I appreciate the time you put into dealing with this. Best Regards, Rick Moderator

[quote]And as far as BLADE RUNNER reference is concerned, Damon Lindelof himself mentioned in his interview (Comic Con) that the movie will be " ALIEN/BLADE RUNNER mash-up.." His words.[/quote]

The Ridley commentary for Blade Runner's Final Cut had him say something like, "If the Nostromo crew came to Earth they would visit a future city/world like the one in Blade Runner." Not an exact paraphrase... Personally that's just kind of weird, even though both future depictions share a lot. I like to think of Blade Runner as its own unique story without the Alien influence crowding the message that I take from Blade Runner. Back to the original topic: It's too bad Sigourney didn't want to go to Earth. I can however respect her reasoning for not being interested. The whole Ripley saga should have ended with Alien 3. And for what it was I have come to appreciate it now especially since the assembly cut was put together from the deleted materials. For what Ripley has gone through I don't think her loss of Newt and Hicks invalidates her story, it just takes her into a very bleak end in which neither the good guys or bad guys win. It is probably the only true ending for the Alien Universe.

Good point TetraDeco, the more times I watch Alien 3 the more I actually come to appreciate it (the Directors Cut that is) and I would have been happy with the ending and if they HAD left it there. Of course, Hollywood wants our money however............ And so we got Alien: Desecration (That's what I am calling that 4th attempt from here on out) :-D

I actually loved ALIEN 3... I just think the CGI sequences with the Alien were what really took away from the film. I honestly think they should consider going back and 'fixing it'.

Practical is always the way to go, which is exactly what someone once told Sir Ridley.... "If you can do it practically, do it" Real things look more.....Real, and the actors have something there to respond to rather than a head on a pole or something like that (coughMichaelBaycough) than CGI which I think is more expensive than practical effects, (or so I've heard)

Firstly thankyou for this Prometheus based thread, as too many idiots keep talking about the fool troll who kept posting crap on here. . .

@Cypher. I beat you, i'm 6'4 lol. size 16 inch shoe.

I have no idea what size shoe I wear :-D lol is this going to turn into a "mine's bigger than yours, dude" contest? :-P I love this site :-D

I hang my head in shame, I'm only size 11. Oh... SHOE size? ...We were talking about shoe size?

how does that work? oh never mind i will find out when the movie comes out lol

@Cypher Alien/blade runner mash up!!? ooowwh!!! will Gaff ( I think that was his name) be making origami Xeno's then???

LOL!! That's a good question, that :-P

It would probably get designed and built by Apple in China, anyway!!! Hmmm Apple i-Star kinda catchy!! I'd wait for i-star 4G though better camera and HD video, much bigger Laser also hopefully cleared up the problems with the thermal exhaust ports

Romantic Comedy too.... Think he was just joking.

By him saying "How the mum and dad met", he must obviously mean we find out the origins of the Xenomorphs, how that species came to be. . .

Why does it keep saying I've posted twice when I obviously clicked the button once. . .

From how the Mum and Dad met hey......... Human (Mum), Space Jockey (Dad)....???? I have always had an idea that the Space Jockey's breeding cycle is going to be 'f*cked up' as far as we comprehend it. So I think this film will really tell us how interspecies relationships are "wrong, so wrong" lol.

Thats the strangest interview excerpt I've ever read! I think he almost spilled more specific details and caught himself at the last second. I agree, the "mum and dad" bit is interesting. @BellaisanAlien - nice tie in with the "so wrong" piece!

I honestly don't believe a word from any of the actors mouths at the minute. Ok I concede that the creation of the xeno is in this movie somehow but I think Ridley has briefed each actor to be as deliberately misleading as possible. Regarding a jockey /human mating type scenario, well possibly. A part of me would love to see it because it would be incredibly macabe. The xeno had very sexual elements to it so I suppose I could buy that it is some kind of weird by product from an aggressive cross species sexual encounter.

my take from what we saw is : halloway get infectd ( there is a image of he in pain ) he make love with his girlfriend ( shaw ) ( there is an image of the two in bed ) he slowly mutate into a jockey ( guy near the chair ) ( there is some resemblance ) shaw have ...something ... ( noomi belly swollen ) ( blood scene ) im quite sure there is not any kind of "interracial" sex because is really not in Scott style . I think that the born of the Facehugger ( because more or less Scott said that is the Facehugger the product of the movie ) is not related to that events ...i think that in this case the mom is the mechanical part ..and the father is the bio part . ( and David fit well in both )

It's Ridley's sandbox, he just let a few others play in it. I'm fine with him ignoring anything that happened in the films after Alien. The xenomorphs are such adaptive creatures anyway you could pretty much explain any discrepanices however you like...

Very true! As going by the trailer possibly, we may see mutation into Xenomorph-like creatures. Much like the original footage on Alien, of the crewmember being turned into an egg like thing. . .

The way I see it, in Alien, based on the size of the crew on the ship there was no need for the number of eggs that might require a Queen so the method of mutating one of it's victims into an egg for reproductive purposes was enough to fit the creature's needs. In a largely populated area such as in the second film mass egg production was necessary, I guess the creature would mutate into a queen, or I guess it would have to mutate a few victims into eggs to spawn a few drones before it turned into a queen.

Hmmm perhaps. . . In Prometheus though I think that the crew will unintentionally rewrite some DNA stuff that the SJ's are keeping stored away. I read on a wiki site that perhaps the Xeno's were actually the original species we've believed all along to be "Space Jockey's", but something went wrong along their evolutionary path. . .

no, as much as it may be better without the queen i don't think they can just ignore it like that. us fans would be fine with it but to the general public they would be like "whats happening? who? what?" i understand ignoring the avp series (they are predator cannon not alien cannon) and alien Resurrection (that movie was not only bad but it was f****** weird to) but ignoring aliens and 3 would be confusing, this is not a reboot right? just a prequel? that would make no sense that would mean alien was part of to different cannons and there is not time travel involved so no split time line like zelda and yeah. not to mention that aliens is the most widely known and famous to the public, so yes, this is confusing.

Scott can ingore anything he wants......look at the Spiderman reboot that's coming out.....look at Nolan's Batman reboot........even if this isn't a reboot, Scott isn't obligated to stick to anything outside of 'Alien'.......Scott has always come off as dismissive of the sequels to date; he can blow the whole thing up if he wants to......and also, [b]we won't be seeing any xenos, classic aliens, whatever the hell you want to call them[/b], only the progenitor....so, there's no reason at all for Scott to even approach that part of the so called "canon".

The new nolan batmans and the new spiderman aren't canon, in regards to comic book characters their canon is in their original format, the comics... in other words only the batman/spiderman comics are canon because that's the source material. The new films are adaptations!

@craigamore i am not saying that he needs to acknowledged the other movies in Prometheus, he can ignore them all he wants, i am just saying that if this does spawn a new series, it should follow the rules set by the old series, or at least not contradict them. Scott is not god, he can erase all of the series history or none of it, not some of it. not to sound mean or anything, just my opinion :/

Based on Giger's unused alien lifecycle mural I always figured that the ship played an essential role in the alien lifecycle. I see the eggs, facehugger, etc as being standard ship equipment for the engineers. The ship manufactures eggs from its existing biomass (explaining why the Prometheus version looks "full" and the Alien version appears "depleted".) The facehuggers are originally introduced to willing apprentice pilots so they can be "infected" with a benign parasite which, because it is part of the ship, allows them to interface with the ship in a more effective way. The parasite shares DNA and memories with the host so that it can also serve as a "black box" for the pilot. In case there is some sort of shipboard emergency and the pilot dies, the parasite, having "downloaded" the host's consciousness, emerges from the host so that it can attempt to effect repairs and allow the recovery team to know what exactly happened leading up to the accident. Then the pilot's preserved brain is decanted from the parasite into a new body. If no recovery team arrives, the parasite eventually grows into a miniature ship, like a probe or escape pod, and attempts to return with the pilot's consciousness to a place where it is likely to be picked up and rescued. If a facehugger encounters a species which has "unauthorized" DNA it assumes that the ship is under attack and goes into a different, more aggressive mode to defend the derelict from other species trying to salvage the technology. The parasite kills the host and emerges as a "soldier" hybrid incorporating the intruder's DNA and memories and proceeds to defend the ship as best it can. When the recovery team arrives they can use the "black box" feature of the parasite to learn more about the intentions of the would-be intruder. What I am suggesting is that the alien is actually an essential part of the ships and that the engineers use them as a user interface, authentication mechanism, intrusion prevention, and lifeboat. All we have seen so far is the intrusion prevention mode. The parasite that emerged from the original space jockey after he/she died contained a "backup" of the jockey's brain, inspected the ship and determined that the damage was too severe to repair successfully, waited for rescue, and when that did not occur matured into a spaceflight-capable form which carried the jockey back to his people to report the incident. What happened in the first movie was that when Kane encountered the egg it recognized him as a potential host and did what it was designed to do - it interfaced with him and implanted the parasite. When the parasite encountered non-engineer DNA it went into ship defense mode, recorded what it could of Kane's mind, and began aggressive growth designed to kill the host and neutralize any other potential threats in the area. If all had gone according to plan the parasite would have cocooned the remaining intruders and used the knowledge it gained from it's host to attempt to pilot the Nostromo back to the engineers so they could study the technology and learn more about the humans.

also Scott did not write alien, he just directed it, if anybody did have the right to change things like that it would be the original writer, Dan O'Bannon. he even wrote the characters throughout the series, and the avp movies making him the longest lasting alien series guy or whatever. oh yeah he is dead so yeah that's sad :( he would probably be helping scott if he was still alive. WHERE DOES [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman/Aliens]BATMAN[/url] FIT INTO THIS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

I hope the Queen ideal is omitted from the new films, I never like the ideal of a Queen Alien.

I think you should not --well, you could but --- be too concerned with whether the movie will be canon or not, whether the Derelict is of the right dimensions, whether the alien species is modeled after an ant colony. We should look at the word "derelict" itself. Generally it means "a stranded ship" which fits into the idea that the Space Jockey comes from somewhere else and infected with the Xenos. Another meaning for the word is "deserted, or abandoned" which fits into the original Dan O'Bannon's idea that there was once a thriving civilization that existed on LV 426 before it self-destructed through a culture of cruelty & exhausted itself through over-exploitation of resources. The last idea sounds a lot like what befell the Rapa Nui culture on Easter Island, or whatever wiped out the Aztecs, Mayans or the Egyptians. I think Ridley Scott is more intrigued by this sociological angle rather than with texture of the Eggs or the detailing on the SJ chamber etc.

I think you should not --well, you could but --- be too concerned with whether the movie will be canon or not, whether the Derelict is of the right dimensions, whether the alien species is modeled after an ant colony. We should look at the word "derelict" itself. Generally it means "a stranded ship" which fits into the idea that the Space Jockey comes from somewhere else and infected itself with the Xenos. Another meaning for the word is "deserted, or abandoned" which fits into the original Dan O'Bannon's idea that there was once a thriving civilization that existed on LV 426 before it self-destructed through a culture of cruelty & exhausted itself through over-exploitation of resources. The last idea sounds a lot like what befell the Rapa Nui culture on Easter Island, or whatever wiped out the Aztecs, Mayans or the Egyptians. I think Ridley Scott is more intrigued by this sociological angle rather than with texture of the Eggs or the detailing on the SJ chamber etc.

True Snorky, but I just get the vibe that he'll be passing over all that other stuff that happened post 'Alien'......it's in the air......can't you smell it? @invaderzim42....of course he's not God, but any artist, in a sense, possesses that kind of power over what they create and of course he can ignore the rest of the franchise if he so desires.....a writer, director, artist can do whatever he or she chooses creatively, so long as they possess the tools to tell a proper story..................and, again, considering that [b]we won't be seeing any xenos, classic aliens, whatever the hell you want to call them[/b], there is absolutely no reason, story wise, for Scott to entertain the queen concept, if he so chooses.......... ...in giving us a look in to the world of the SpaceJockeys and the progentior of the xeno, so long as he does it with intelligence and a reasonable attention to his audience's willingness or ability to suspend disbelief, Scott can tell us any tale he likes and completely ignore everything in the "canon" he doesn't................that's the beauty of writing, and in Scott's case, directing; gifted storytellers can create with the scope of gods over their creations with total right to proceed as they see fit......whether we agree with their choices or not is entirely up to us....... Now......don't take what I just said as any kind of a proclamation that Ridley Scott is God or that I worship the man in any way....that would be ridiculous....I merely speak of the kind of power a writer or director has over the world in which their story takes place.....when one tells a story, they, by default, create a world that operates as they ordain it should.....that's the power of storytelling and thus, Ridley can proceed with the finer details in 'Prometheus' any way he and Lindelof see fit..........if that means a complete kibosh on the queen concept, then so be it....

Good points @Engr101

@ Engr101 - The one story subplot that I do not want to see in this movie is any hint of Earth pillaging/Amazon tree cutting/air polluting/acid rain falling/ozone depleting/global warming/ice caps melting/oceans rising/polar bear drowning/spotted owl dying/nuclear radiating/solar panel subsidizing/Cap and trading leftist rehash of an eco-disaster anywhere in my most beloved sci-fi horror series or so help me I will burn every one of my VHS, DVD and bluray copies of the alien franchise in a most ecologically unfriendly way! Whew! Glad I got that off my chest.

I really hope the queen concept is ditched, egg morphing is far more disturbing, unnatural and Alien. I'm also hoping that the movie sticks with the lovecraftian cosmiscism of the original. Aliens for all intents and purposes killed everything that was terrifying about the organism to begin with. The perfect organism doesn't stand up well against a pulse rifle.