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but it does exist, just not in the way you think of it regularly it's cool though, the link I posted was to expand the discussion if possible. it's all good.

Hmmm, could be, but I doubt the story will follow the legend so matter of fact. I'd imagine the punishment would be the immortalisation through tranformation into the xenomorth or to Engineer. I get the impression that both races are biologically linked and are quite evil, bitter, twisted......... unpleasant lol

Yeah I think the two species are definitly linked in some way, going by the Xeno's biomechanical appearence being SO similar to the SJ technology we've seen on the trailer and pics. I'm throwing a guess out there here, that the SJ somehow de-evolve of sorts into the Xenomorphs because of the Prometheus' crew intervention. . .

I like the idea that a xeno could become an Engineer, a post started today suggests that we have only seen xeno's a few months of age; and what happens after that?? They clear up the planet and then evolve into higher beings - 'Engineers'.........

Honestly the plot that would make the most sense (from a mythological standpoint) is that Vickers IS Prometheus... Her punishment for stealing for the company? Maybe she is left on the planet laying eggs the rest of her life. I doubt, it but it is the straight to the point mythological answer.

I think the Space Jockey alludes to Prometheus who created man and later crashes down onto LV 426. The xenomorph is the eagle. I'm curious to know whether the film explores man's creation of AI/Androids and expands upon the greek myth in some way. We'll see... My money is that the plot illuminates something monstrous out of creating life as well as the horrific realization that man's creator was an evil god/alien-scientist.

I wish I could even remotely answer this Xeno, but I cannot begin to. However, this is just one of the aspects of this film that I'll be rivetted to in absolute fascination. So, please fire away all of you and I'll just peruse, lol.

Hiya! Love your choise of profile name!

@Zetareticuli - Yeah it's been bugging me ever since I read somewhere that it maybe in this movie! Hmm, I'm kinda hoping it's not gotta do with why the SJ in the chair looks so fossilized (as it would seem too cliche and obvious). . .

Dont mention time dilation to Snorklebottom - he reckons it doesn't exist LOL

I will walk out and demand my money back if there is anything like this.

ive no truck with time dilation being in the movie, if its brings something new to the genre or if its necessary to explain the story. how it will be involed...ill leave that to ridley. seems to me you cant consider a story involving interstellar distances without utilising some form of time travel.

Well, for starters, if the Prometheus crew would travel fast enough, time dilation would be a good reason for everybody in the Alien saga not to know anything about what happened to them. @Ender: but I'm sure that at least he will enjoy your sarcasm haha

@ FILGFI you're right, there has to be time dilation if we're talking interstellar distanses but hopefully there will be no travelling BACKWARDS in time which would open the story up to basically anything. LOL Baldas!

@ Cypher - "I will walk out and demand my money back if there is anything like this" - would the cinema manager adopt a diplomatic stance concerning the laws of having time-dilation in films? Me thinks not. @Xeno - ta for the name remark!

[url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/410]here's my theory[/url] I'd be surprised if this is the exact detail, but this is how i think terraforming and time-dilation could be used...

Good question. I´m unconfortable with this use of the term also. All life is, in a sense, mechanical (in the sense that macroscopically we are mechanisms, and microscopically, our chemical bonds and reactions are also "mechanical" in some level). Bio-mechanical suggests something like a "cyborg", a cyber organism, something that the Alien quite clearly is not _ it is not a hybrid. Having an exoskeleton, on the other hand, make it so "biomechanical" as the next cockroach. I propose the erradication of the term. :)

Bio-mechanoid/Bio-mechanical=biological aspects mixed with mechanical aspects. Bio-biological=muscles, goo, organic look, exo-skeleton (all over the xeno alien). Mechanoid=mechanical, ribbed tubes, smaller tubes, chrome teeth, inner mouth is very mechanical and "claw-machine-like". I've built 2 alien costumes. One "soldier" and one "queen". Both to scale. The soldier was about 7 feet and the queen was about 12 feet. Most of my budget was spent on ribbed and smooth tubing.

Hello everyone! Happy to be making my very first post on this great, thought-provoking fan-site... There are two theories to consider for the 'Bio-Mech' look for the Alien: 1) The alien embryo "borrows" physical traits from whatever life-form it happens to be growing in. 2) The original SJ is observed by Dallas as looking as if it's growing directly out of the chair. Therefore, the SJ chair-technology that was "growing" into the pilot would have also been siphoned off by the alien embryo inside the infected SJ itself. One need look no further than the 'pipes' growing out of the adult Alien's back. They are VERY similar to the tubes/pipes that we see decorating the outside of the SJ chair itself. When viewed in total, the fossilized SJ chair is a virtual template for the miscellaneous details we see on the adult Alien itself.

Nice catch about the back tubes. Yes. the art direction for the original "Alien" set and creatures being Giger-inspired/created, may have just "accidentally" given the xeno species the continuity of looking like everything else. In other words, what was simply Giger's style (apparent in his sketches too), now allows us (and Ridley for that matter), to expand and make sense of the bio-machanical influences that would've given the fictional species its classic look.

there are in nature some insects ...that look much more biomechanoid than Alien 's xenomorph . So to me it dont look biomechanic ...much less than the SJ for sure .

I think the magic will be in the bioform liquid...................

I can let ya have 40 ounces of it for $1400.

DB would you post a couple of pics of your costumes I for one would like to see them

Thanks Hukerlover. They're posted in another thread at: http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/1403 I'll be adding more pics this weekend as I finish the head and hands.

I think I have some growing in my basement....been there for quiet sometime.

Db said: "Bio-mechanoid/Bio-mechanical=biological aspects mixed with mechanical aspects." My take is that actually all life booming around us is just that. Or, more specifically, "bio" is just a special case of "mechanical". In fact, all life is just a kind of nanoimplementation of physical principles. Repulsion, atraction, etc; the building blocks of life are mechanichally arranged. Besides that, I think we have a problem here concerning the lack of familiarity of most people with how strange life can be here on Earth. Look at these pictures; they were done with an electron microscope. These are ordinary beings that lives in dust, for the most part _ and by the standards people are proposing here, they should be considered "biomechanoids" _ but they are as biomechanoid as the ordinary xenomorph you can find in stormy planetesimals around the galaxy: [img]http://slices-of-life.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/electron-microscopestrange-creature09.jpg[/img] [img]http://slices-of-life.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/electron-microscopestrange-creature05.jpg[/img] [img]http://slices-of-life.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/electron-microscopestrange-creature22.jpg[/img]

I should add, "life is a nanoimplementation of physics principles to elements that process information". The only distinctive thing about the xenomorph is that they are, possibly, made of other sort of materials than earth-based life ordinarily is. In "Alien", the chestbuster clearly hasn´t grow to full xenomorph size eating people or people´s food (or cat´s food). They probably thrive eating...well, everything, but probably, metal, plastics, etc. So their "flesh" probably isn´t carbon-based, or at least don´t use carbon as it´s main structurant substance. But they are alive, and as far as we can see, develops biological processes. This, of course, brings the interesting question of why in the hell they need us for reproduction after all. But asking this is going too far in the direction of disassembling our cherisched "suspension of disbelief".

I remember it mentioned (either in the original film or the sequels) that the xeno's were "silicon-based". Like we're "carbon-based". Therefore, they are able to adapt to things we can't. Like going from breathing LV-426's atmosphere to breathing oxygen on the Nostromo to surviving in space (not imploding like we would), to (in later films) adapting to underwater, etc... Does anyone else remember that?

I agree with centrosphere. The more we discover about our own "life" on a microscopic level, the more aware we become of our own bio-electrical-mechanical ties.

@Spartacus; will it get through customs???

yea, I can just fit it all into the Blue Resin Rock bag Ruhiyana sent me with my Alien Rovoltech Series 001 Sculpture!!!

I once remember a doctor saying ‘A pair of tits are only a pair of tits if they are on my wife.’ While we are on the subject of silicon based life-forms, what am I looking for? In answer to the original point, am I looking at a xeno from an artistic point of view or a scientific perspective. If its artistic then I have two viewpoints. From a Japanese sc-fi point of view, I would agree entirely with the flacnvinyl. From the viewpoint of Gigers artistic interpretations then the xeno is a biomechanoid entirely. From a scientific view I would refer to osseointegration (manufactured metal structures fusing with living tissue, e.g. bone) and spend my time looking for an android. As far as I’m concerned it is all down to interpretation and the artistic possibilities of the mind. So who is right?

[1] biomechanics could be tautological as mentioned elsewhere, Look at the [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPC1MZ-xAu4]drew berry animations[/url] visualizing cell machinery. I found these mind blowing. [2] but following the singularity ideas - improving AI augmenting our own intelligence, allowing us to reverse engineer biology and start manipulating it to a far greater extent ... then it might be appropriate to use the term Biomechanical to suggest biological machinery that has been deliberately engineered by intelligent design. [3] I think its' just fine to use biomechanical to refer to the geiger art style.

The term"bio-mechanical" or bio-mechanoid" as it refers to the universe of 'Alien' comes directly from Giger himself and from Ridley Scott. Giger, in 'The Alien Saga' documentary (I mentioned in Spartacus' "I noticed that" thread) refers to his own style of art as "Bio-mechanical Art"....as Ridley has put it, "Where does technology end and biology begin?"...i.e....where do they meet?....it's all in the abiguity of what you're looking at. @Batchpool has it right to an extent..."am I looking at a xeno from an artistic point of view or a scientific perspective?" Giger's art is not necessarily relatable to what you would classicly call cyborg technology...it's less about cyborg grafting in that classic sense and more about a state where both aspects become a new, third fused function; something wholely new and different...in this understanding, you have the biological, the mechanical, and the bio-mechanical...something of a mechanical design and function that operates at a biological level...that's what I think we're meant to see in the disturbing ambiguity of Giger's work and every aspect of the alien race to whom the derelict and xeno belong. Ridley, in the DVD commentary for the 20th anniversary release, refers to the xeno as being, "a form of bio-mechanoid warfare." That's in part where that term comes from as it relates to 'Alien'. The term is meant as a description of the ambiguity that is the alien world we experience in the film. Scott apparently sees the xeno as an example where a biologically mechanical creation is designed as, in his words, "a biological stroke, a form of bio-mechanical warfare." The traditional cyborg idea isn't in play here...in other words, the grafting of mechanical technology with biological, living tissue...it's something entirely new...

@Db....the xeno is not actually a silicone based lifeform....the following exchange between Ash and Ripley bears that out: Ripley: And, uh, our guest? Ash: Umm. Ripley: Hmm? Ash: Well, as I said, I'm still... collating, actually, but uh, I have confirmed that he's got an outer layer of protein polysaccharides. Has a funny habit of shedding his cells and replacing them with polarized silicon, which gives him a prolonged resistance to adverse environmental conditions. Is that enough? Ripley: That's plenty. What does it mean? Ash: Please don't do that. Thank you. Ripley: I'm sorry. Ash: Well, it's an interesting combination of elements making him... a tough little son-of-a-bitch. That tough little son-of-a-bitch replaces its own cells with silicone to adapt to its surroundings. It isn't born of silicone the way we are of oxygen.

@centrosphere...why would you want to eradicate the one term that universally defines the artistic vision of H.R. Giger and Ridley Scott as it refers to the derelict, the Sj and the xeno in 'Alien'? It's the essence of the thing...the fundamental definition of what 'Alien' is.

I like your thoughts, that phrase or word" it was so wrong. I'm so sorry" are in really trouble, it has the perfect feeling.. Great comment.

except the voice saying it is clearly Charleze Theron's, the image is of Rapace but I am convinced 100% that it's Theron's voice we are hearing! She is in love with me so I would know, but to tell ya the truth I don't think she knows she's in love with me yet.