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i guess that device rolls down to the needed place or any other way, that device is definitely used for helmet, as in Alien when we see the SJ there is no such a device...

Jeffomorf, the ampule room is in the temple, not in the derelict. And that body is another SJ or its suit. There were lots of discussion about the differences between the main SJ room with the chair where the space map is as well, and the temple with the head.....

So your saying that the corpse and head shown in the ampule room photo is neither a SJ or it's suit? [img]http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/PROMETHEUS-Noomi-Rapace-Kate-Dickie-Michael-Fassbender-Ampule-room.jpg[/img]

i mean that is another SJ, not that one in Alien. Actually you can see the sleeping pods in the SJ room near the chair and one of them is opened. The engineer is not far from the pod, so i think he woke up and was going to use that chair to get the access to the ship or something else...The space Jokey in ampule room is found earlier than the blue guy woke up and became the SJ from Alien, i think so..

[b]Starbeast[/b], I don't think the chair is out of the floor and opened all the way yet in the clip. So, the head/helmet might possibly align correctly once it was all the way out of the floor and open. Just a thought...

Membrane, yup just revisited the trailer, and point taken.

i think is reasonable but i will add some ... biomechanic fusion ...or dna mess ...

more SJ chair photos! http://www.prometheusmovienews.com/2011/12/more-space-jockey-set-photos-appear/

I seriously think that the original ALIEN team didn't mean the SJ to be more than a visual hint of ancient artifacts that is supposed to evoke wonder and/or terror. Giger images do not follow conventional rationalization: Is it a skeleton? A biomechanics suit? It is supposed to be incomprehensible and explaining it would ruin the sense of wonder. I don't think Giger or Ridley envision the movie as a series of sequels with detailed expansive mythologies. Imagine if a sequel/prequel to 2001 scientifically explain the Monolith as a brain-altering device with chips made by IBM from a distant future. That movie would bomb, and probably end up as a Mystery Science Theater classic along with PLAN 9 FROM OUTER SPACE.

Hi Guys! I’m still not buyin’ the difference in body size between the humanoid figure and the Space Jockey(SJ), as far as the bio-suit concept goes. To me, the SJ is substantially larger…in every way…by like at least a third. Now, it could be that the smaller guy fits into an SJ suit, but it certainly wouldn’t be a proportional fit. However, from Ridley Scott’s comments, I do believe that the SJ figure as we know it, is indeed going to be some kind of suit or carcass for some other being. But, maybe the being is not the humanoid “Dr. Manhattan” looking guy. Maybe be it’s going to be something altogether different...and new to us. The inference from the great face/head statue in the ampoule room, is that the being or beings that it represents/depicts…are “running the show”…and are in control…at least at one point they were. So I think that the humanoid being(s) are the “Engineers”…and perhaps fancy themselves as gods. Maybe these “Engineers” were involved with…or responsible for the SJ beings and their suits…as well as Mankind’s origins. Perhaps the SJs are the Engineer’s stooges or slaves. I remember reading somewhere, we were promised a new larger form of alien creature. Could it be that whatever is inside the SJ suit…is that very creature? What do you guys think? Li

No doubt that the suits that appear in the picture of shaw are statues. on the other hand occur to me 5 possible roles for the suits: 1 - Serve to give life a creature, as already mentioned in this forum perhaps is something like a table of surgery or laboratory. It is the work desk of the engineer, where this God can perform an architectural work in the design of the DNA of any creature to then give life. Perhaps his biological suit has a kind of intelligence can provide DNA of engineers to the new creation, or as the saying: God created man in his image and likeness; lol although in the case of serious Xenomorph: God created the Xenomorph in his suit and likeness. 2 - It is just a mechanism so that his body not disintegrating when it reaches speeds of light. i.e. an astronaut suit. But it might be the equivalent of suspended animation of humans, by way of crio hypersleep Chambers. 3 - It is as I said a panel of surgery but with military purposes, and the costume is one machine oriented to the creation of biological weapons, which are then stored in cellars. (such as the wineries of eggs of the first Delerict). When the process of creation of weapons has been completed, the ship takes off to set course to some planet I infest it. Although I think of an idea: If the Chair scene is Mount for opening of the genesis of the Earth, And on Earth since life existed long before the arrival of the Space Jockeys?. Then maybe decided use their biological weapons to clear land before his terraforming have inplantacion of their own creations. 4 - Are obvious similarities between the bodies of the Xenomorphs and the Space Jockeys suits. Therefore the suit is a vehicle biomechanical dedicated to the transport of an engineer. Maybe it works simultaneously as a battle suit, and perhaps this is the real biological weapon. In that case the xenomorphs are perhaps Replicants or androids biomechanoids. 5 - Is a bit of all the alternatives before mentioned: 1, 2, 3 and 4.

by the way @imMrSage, his theory in his thread is quite logical and good.

@Shambala I think #3 option may be closest to the idea that the cylindrical object in front of the SJ is a device to launch the eggs into "virgin" planets, or to destroy them. Remember in the teaser how the chair rises from below the deck. And from ALIEN, we know what is beneath that deck, the cavernous Egg Chamber. It sounds disturbing but, there you go. My opinion is that the intention of the Space Jokeys may be noble: to seed empty planets, to start a new life, experimentations to improve genetic coding etc. Maybe the Gods instruct Space Jokeys to "go forth & multiply." LOL! But there is a twist: instead of intelligent, compassionate, cultured beings, what Space Jokeys end up with is this mindless horde of creatures devoid of morality. This may or may not be explained in PROMETHEUS.

@Engr101, It's not that Ridley or Giger planned sequels or prequels with these details in mind. Ridley stated in the Filmophobia article that he always viewed the SJ as being a suit for something else. There's no reason to think he put anymore thought into it than that at the time, but if we are to believe what he's saying in that article, then there's no reason we can't accept the idea that the simple concept of 'SJ as suit' has been stewing and germinating in the nooks and crannies of his brain over the last 30 years.

@ LI Right ON! that's one thing we all should be looking at is the size comparison. Us snork dorks are going to scrutinize the comparisons. Like 50' flat screens and a magnifying glass. The only thing that might make it difficult is if he's not finished growing once he's entered the chair. Or that, being in the seat, it's self, changes you after eons? RuH P.s. do you like my banana, it's got bite? ah ha space jokey!

@Engr101, The other definition of Jockey is "a person who rides or drives a horse especially as a professional in a race " which means the Space Jockey's ride some sort of Space Horse.. or it this case.. just a hose shoe... hmmm... hmmmm... hmmmm... There's two apple to put in your shopping bag for ya.. or shall I say... bananas..

@craig That's very possible

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Thanks for the thread @ImMrSage, It's as good and definitive a speculation as we could have come up with on the topic to this point. I've been arguing in favor of both the suit concept and blue baldy as SJ for a while now....and I think you just made it rather hard to argue with.

Could be the distortion-free version of the transmission you hear in the original ALIEN.....

cool!

very nice

majestic!

If those are not statues, they seem to be in some kind of a religious congress. Much larger than the one in ALIEN. What do you think? Some insider art that gets rejected by Fox or Ridley?

Engr101 look at this [img]http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x368/bipolarestancia/ancient_spaceship_by_radojavor-d471swo.jpg[/img]

@Shambhala Great find! The rear section of that craft looks like the familiar derelict ship. Could the derelict be a separate section from this main ship? BTW this is from the same artist as the one who did the pics I posted.

@Engr101 Yes, seems a ship Mothership, and the derelict one of its parts. for a while I thought that the derelict was a landing pod. peroen this fan art seems a warship off the mother ship to perform an infestacion... either for the genesis of life...

@Shambhala As far as I remember it, there is no sleeping chamber on the derelict ship in ALIEN.

I heard there will be only two Engineers and judging from the pic I see two chambers.

@Engr101, yes...but they may be emergency landing pods and for some reason is ejected...

@lancef, I think there's a third chamber...

Held the book in my hands last week at "Chapters", it was $39...I decided against it. there are some fine collectibles in it but there's no info there we don't all already know as far as I can tell. Nice package though. especially the Giger & Scott Inserts.

Yes it is a bit pricey but I still had to have it.

Hello, I am following this great site/forum (congratulatoins, for me the best information source on Prometheus on the web!) for quite some time now - now I finally registered. First post, yea! Sorry I, am not a native speaker so forgive me when I am writing mistakes here. I belong to the group that is waiting literally since 30 yrs. now to see another decent movie in the Alien Universe, I do not like anything done after Alien 3. My first viewing af Alien changed my life... This thread here is interesting. I like to add another thought that is keeping me thinking since a long time. For me it has always been clear that the company in Alien always knew that the species they wanted to have an example from is extremely dangerous. Why they know about it doesn't matter, probably Prometheus will give some answers. BUT: Why in the world should Weyland decide on sending a crew to the planet that is so unqualified to reach the mission goals? Ok, one could say Ash should have directed the Nostromo back to earth and the crew only served as a little snack for the creature during the long journey. But why not taking some money and employ some merceneries who can really do the job (or at least have bigger chances) ? Even if the entrie crew except Ash (and Jones, of course - a cat always finds a way of surviving) would have been killed - Ash is not really enough to deal with this creature. And he seems to be aware of that. Even if Weland had a need to hide this mission from the public, a more qualified, better equiped and instructed crew could have also be camouflaged as a regular ship/mission. So I like the way of thinking, that the Nostromo wasn't alone out there. Another ship, another crew may have lurked in the dark behind tghe Nostromo to finish the job but Ripley really screwed it up for them. So in the debriefing the Weyland managemenet decided to built a plant on that planet in order to be able to call the military for help in if something goes wrong, which sooner or late be the case... Just thinking... Regards, Aquila

Okay Rick, here goes... Regards another ship following the Nostromo. One simple question, why bother with the Nostromo. Why not just use the crew of that ship to gather a specimen and freeze it for transport back to Earth. IMO Alien - A company executive picks the Nostromo to be used to gather an Alien specimen from LV-426. Company replaces the science officer with the Ash Synthetic at Thedus. Nostromo leaves Thedus whereupon MU-TH-UR is ordered to make a course change. Passing LV-426 MU-TH-UR picks up SJ signal and awakens the crew. Contract Clause means they must investigate. Ash collates with MU-TH-UR and receives special order 937. All of Ash's actions from 'wake up' prove he was carrying out SO 937. Companies intention was to gather and harness the specimen aboard the Nostromo at the expense of the crew, with Ash being the observer/keeper of the creature. But Ripley fought back and screwed up their plans. The company thought the Nostromo would be enough, but didn't count on Ripleys desire for survival. IMO Aliens - Ripley drifts through space (Lambert was the navigator, Ripley was just a Warrant Officer). Hadleys Hope established with the intention of become hosts. Ripley found, and starts to make a stink. They use her info and transmit the co-ordinates to the colony, colony becomes hive of Aliens. Send in a rookie group of marines (lt. Gorman, Hudson etc.) under the pretense of eradication with Ripley as an advisor - Real plan send Ripley under the idea of eradication to her death with a bunch of green marines. Burke tries to extort the company so he is sent there under the pretense of gathering specimens, unaware he has been sent with the worst marines in history (cool characters but not effective in the slightest). Again Ripleys knack for survival undoes their plans. she not only escapes with the droid, a marine and a survivor, the hive is nuked. Ripley 2 - Company - 0 The company thought the hive would deal with Ripley and Co and leave them with a hive to study and examine. But Ripley screwed them again. Regards another ship following the Sulaco and planting the eggs on board. One simple question, why not just take them eggs home to earth to be studied, why waste them on the crew of the sulaco, they could have just nuked the sulaco. How the eggs got there, I don't know, I don't think anyone does (even Walter Hill who came up with the idea, go figure). but another ship doesn't make sense. If you watch Alien 3, and take note of the company emergency rescue sub-story and you realise all they cared about was gathering a specimen by any means necessary, the last thing they would do is waste such specimens. IMO Regards Snorkelbottom

I disagree completely about Bishop...He had to "Remote Pilot" the ship once he got the satelite up and running again and in an unstable envvironment at that, and not fly it himself until the end of that journey. I say he calculated it all pretty damn perfectly !!! Just my take though! I pretty much agree wiht everything else there.

To me the company was much more blind that what we think ... the start of Aliens is a good explaination ... 1) the company dont even belive Ripley ..its repeated many times that was a personal order from burke to send them to retrive the derelict . 2) if they knew they could have sent their men to rescue a specimen ..not the special marines that is SHOWN that are indipendent from a Company rappresentative (burke) 3) only from the end of Aliens the company is aware of everything , that explain the end of alien3 ( and there they arrive with their troops ..not marines ) 4) If the company was really aware that ripley destroyed their plans WHY they did sent back her along the marines in aliens ?? they are masochistic ??? 5) the many errors and beaviour that ash have ...he seems to not know what to do ... its all a surprise for him too 6) many things are merely to start another movie ( the colony on lv426 to make aliens happen .. the eggs aboard to make Alien 3 start ...) 7) why they didnt eliminate ripley then ? they were so ready to destroy a colony , to sacrifice the nostromo crew and they keep alive one that destroyed their plans ? no way So to me the company become really "evil" at the end of Alien 3 ....in aliens is Burke the evil ..the others are dumb .... in Alien there is simply a radio message picked up by the company and they reroute the nostromo there ...putting ash there to be sure that the order 937 is fullfilled ..but BEWARE "crew expandable" dont mean " crew must die" ..its a "just in case .."

Why is it impossible for the queen to have laid the eggs on the sulaco??? Why do we need another ship to explain the two eggs? If the company wanted to kill Ripley, why not run her over with a car and make it look like an accident? Or better still, jail her for gross negligence and destruction of company assets. Ash was not in real time contact with company chiefs, otherwise so could Dallas. No the distances were just too great. And a secret ship just doesn't make sense because it creates redundancy. These are some rich and creative ideas but a little too conspiratorial and far-fetched as plot points, for my liking anyway. Just my opinion folks.

Ok, seems I have a few people to respond to here. Snorky, Alien: I have a really simple answer. Plausible Deniability and Simple Economics. Why waste an expensive ship and an expensive crew when the Nostromo is a dated tugboat with a ragtag group (Per script details). I don't think they were expecting Ripley to self destruct the ship. Her getting stuck in hypersleep for so long could be any number of things, bad navigation, bad course corrections, spacial anomaly, etc. Aliens: I have to disagree with you on the lack of experience. Hicks, Vasquez, her boyfriend, Frost, and Apone had first hand experience with the way Hicks came right out and asked if it was another bug hunt. This is a total give away that the government albeit with a lot of corporate influence was looking for "bugs" or xeno's. Gorman was the only real total noob on the mission. This was part of the corporate plot. Sparky, I'm not arguing him piloting the ship. That we all know he did. What I'm arguing is the 2.5 hours. How do it take an hour to crawl 140 meters? That's only 420 feet. He patched in and aligned the antenna in less than 5 minutes. I don't recall the ship taking 50 minutes to land with a regular pilot and Bishop is an android so I am sure his reflexes are a lot better. Frantz, That is the thing they knew everything it goes back to Plausible Deniability. There is no way you can go in front of the Interstellar Commerce Commission and your Insurance company in Aliens and say yeah we sent them there to get a specimen and we sent an Android in to protect it. Man the ramifications would be endless. Why do you think Burke debriefed her and acted like he was on her side? She even said they threw her to the wolves when Burke and Gorman came to meet her. To answer your question about Ripley. A Bad Penny always returns, misery loves company, blind dumb luck? This seems to be the theme behind Ripley always having the Xeno's in her life. Thus the company always having a bad penny in Ripley because she always pops up and returns. That part is all blind dumb luck but the company knowing what is up is calculating. Starbeast, When the queen stowed away on the drop ship she was empty handed, no eggs nothing. Watch in slow motion that part of the film. She tore herself off the the slug part of her body that was filled with the eggs so she stopped making them at that point so how else did the eggs get there? Like I mentioned to Frantz, I don't think the company wanted to kill her I think they just wanted to shut her up and discredit her. The story of the xeno's is far to "grand" to believe although in the movie its true. Just like the company conspiracy is far to grand to believe but I would be willing to bet that's how it ties together. Now on to what you mention about redundancy. A large company always has redundancy it builds in consistency. Example; I work for a metal stamping company. We have multiple presses, incase one breaks down we have a back up, we have multiple engineers in case one quits we have a back up. Large corporations on something as big as this will always build redundancy into a plan and then execute it and then if they need to modify it they can on the fly. I'm going to steal a line from Contact. Why build one when you can build two for twice the price? Also everyone loves a good conspiracy story. Especially with corporate despotism and government tie ins. Regards, Rick

Aquila, I over looked your post. I apologize. I believe I answered your question in my response to one of the others. I think it is simply Plausible Deniability. Regards, Rick