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Very interesting post and theory indeed.  I hope 1 day we will all get the answer we want/need :)

just really read in full detail the OP and its a really interesting theory. don't agree with it one bit but still a very interesting theory. its too far fetched for me. RS answered the sacrificial scene. they seed worlds. we are them. that's supported by the DNA match. the more logical plot is what was suggested in prometheus. they continued to visit earth and help advance civilisation yet we did something to anger them so they chose to destroy us yet something prevented them from doing that. theres a hologram that supports this. and why return every so often to pick people up? just pick up the required number in one go no? and xeno prime? that's expanded universe material that most of the people who watched Prometheus wont have a clue about so I don't think RS would include it. I like the theory but I just think whats suggested and supported on screen is in fact what is intended to be. just my 2 cents lol

I Moon Girl - 'Still, the architecture seems to lack personality.'

I don't agree with you. These architectural structures are full of life and personality:

I vote for Sir Ridley's movie, as this is after all, his universe!!!!

Tell Bloomkamp to make a Predator movie?  I bet he could make a good one of those?

ali81 - True. The artist mentions that Project 77 shows the worlds and features of a space opera.

I believe that Alien Universe needs THE NEW. It should be expanded with the features of a space opera. Thanks for your comment.

BigDave - Indeed, the artist applied a brave approach...

BigDave - True.

repacitor - You'll find more images here:

http://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/46927

@BigDave - I am with you there!  I am ready for Sir Ridley to come clean in the next installment/installments as to what he wants to be understood.  I am beginning to believe we all do deserve to know?

could see these images in a star wars film more than an alien film but awesome work, very talented

Ooohhhhh. Good 'ol Ridley keeps shaking our minds. Haha. I guess we just have to wait for his another prequel series. Thanks for your thoughts man!

so many questions and yet so little suggestion that any answers r coming. theres a whole history there on lv223 to be explored that expanse the whole alien universe not to mention the deacon but naw, f**k that, lets make it all about a homicidal android???????

moon girl, agree, Prometheus had that deeper tone to it and I was one who was disappointed when it was announced ridley had changed his mind about a direct alien prequel. for me though he was spot on in that decision. time for a more expanded alien universe which still has plenty room for the xeno

Indeed it would appear that way...

It would be interesting to see his original plans, and it would be interesting to see Paglen/Green works.....   i would also be interesting in this to purely see if the Source i had was correct or complete BS!

However much if not all what they said, does add up to the plans RS had and some of what was said, had made it into AC.

@Gavin - Posts regarding the concepts presented by Prometheus are exactly why we are all here!  I know of no other movie that has gotten me to think about what I believe & why I do.  I think you make a good argument for your case.  I do think we have all made, and continue to make, very good arguments for what we believe we have seen & why we believe it, regarding the events presented in Prometheus?  After seeing Alien Covenant, I can honestly say I will continue to trust what I believe occurred in Prometheus, until a future installment of this prequel franchise makes it blatantly obvious to us all, what exactly was, & is now going on!  HAHA!!  I guess I would not mind it if Sir Ridley would indeed 'enlighten' us all?  Great post!

"We watch the movies because of the xenos, not the engineers or David"

The Franchise is split thats for sure... ALIEN gave us a great movie, were we see Ripley battle through the odds to overcome a ordeal with this Alien Organism, she finally escapes.. only to her Horror when she is discovered that Mankind has set up a Colony on this very Alien World.  The Franchise Evolved to Ripleys Story... so much so that the limited imagination of those working on future movies could only come up with Resurrecting the Xenomorph via Ripley.... maybe because FOX Felt a Alien movie needed Ripley because the Franchise was famous for TWO things... Xenomorphs and Ripley.

When Actually if we looked at LV-426 being destroyed hence Ripley is the only source of the Xeno in Alien 3, hence her DNA the only means to obtain in in Alien Resurrection.

They all forgot about ONE THING...

It appeared  (and RS many times admitted) that the Derelict ship which had those Eggs, had came from SOME PLACE Else.. and Crash Landed on LV-426

If the Xenomorph came from some place else, then surely there are more out there, maybe as far as Thousands of years ago?

So Ripley was not the only source of the Xenomorph, the Source that those Eggs came from was a potential avenue to explore...

The Franchise however always followed LV-426 and Ripley as far as the Xenomorph....

None of the movies ever touched upon or answered WHERE did the Eggs come from? WHY did that Ship have them? WHERE was the Ship going?   And WHY and how was the Xenomorph Eggs created?

A more Spoon Fed idea would be to explore the Space Jockey event, but this appeared to be a Ancient one...  Some fans wanting to know how the Eggs got on the Ship, where was the Ship going and why did it crash?

Some of those Questions did not need answering, we could all see it was some kind of Bio-Weapon, we could all see it had got out of control and infected the Pilot....

What we never knew was WHERE this Bio-Weapon came from, and WHY that Race had it, and WHERE it intended it... 

This is what a Alien Prequel was going to answer, and what Alien Engineers was about... but it also answered the question about the Space Jockey Race, because we had seen Xenomorphs over and over, all we needed to KNOW NOW was where did the Xenomorphs come from and for what Purpose, and the Space Jockey Race was very much connected to that and we had never seen nothing of this Race apart from the Long Dead Pilot.

So the prequels started to show us the Xeno was a Bio-Weapon intended to be used on Mankind, by these Space Jockeys who are Humanoid Giant beings...  who in a Curve-ball Story are actually the Forerunners to Mankind... our Creators/Gods so to speak.

FOX had felt this was a interesting idea, and maybe the Xenomorph had been done too much and so tone down the Xenomorph and instead explore our Engineers and showcase the many genetic Experiments these beings had conducted and how the Xenomorph is related to some Experiments that conducted.

By making a vague connection between these Engineers Experiments and Xeno-DNA we can get some answers to the Xenomorph while still maintaining that Enigma and Mystery

This in HINDSIGHT did not settle down with fans, some wanted Xenomorph more Spoon Fed Answers, some wanted to see Xenomorphs rampaging around...

So as a sequel was to steer away from the Xeno and LV-426 and explore the Engineers and why they would create such Bio-Weapons (Black Goo) and Sacrificial.. it looked to explore the Engineers more, show us indeed other kinds of creations they had made even clues to maybe something that is distantly connected to the Xenomorph.

But without showing us the Classic Xeno... sadly the Deacon was not Xeno enough,  we never saw no Xenos running around killing or even how those EGGS came to be..

so FOX again had a U-Turn to give us Xenomorphs .... RS appeared to not be so pleased because his comment prior to AC was "the fans want Aliens, ill give them £$"$%£%^ Aliens"

This to me showed RS had thought the Engineers, the Creation and Philosophical route was where he liked to go, and they could explore the Agenda of these beings and why they would experiment with such Horrific Bio-Weapons... and not have to bring back Classic Xenomorphs.

It appears after AC, Ridley seems to think indeed bring the Xeno back was a bad idea... i feel they would have answered the clues more down the line... but to give in to FANBOYS they introduced it earlier for them.

I feel this was not handled good enough... AC was trying to cover some remnants of the Philosophy and ideas in Prometheus, while brushing some of it under the carpet.

It tried to bring in something New (Neomorphs) and give us some Action, the Neomorph vs Crew scenes but these failed to live up to the Action the ALIENS Fans may have wanted.

They introduced the Xenomorph, but by trying to cover both the above and a slow burn to introduce the crew, the movie had no where near the running time to bring in the Xenomorph and the scenes felt Rushed...  ALIEN fans hoped to see something similar to ALIEN but the Xenomorph Scene on the Covenant was rushed and lacked the whole suspense and Horror of Alien.

The time restraints to Shoe-horn the Xeno, meant changes to its Gestation and Growth Rates,, which was against set down LORE they became necessary Plot Devices to Shoe-horn the Xeno within a limited time.

To continue the whole Creator, Creates, Creation Rebels, and Sub-Creates and this Process repeats theme.... we never got to see who created the Engineers,  but RS decided to continue with this every growing Hierarchy of creation..

David being the bottom of the Ladder.... but a Superior being who is Sentient and sees Mankind and Engineers as Flawed and Wants to be GOD himself.

Thus the whole David Re-Creates something similar to what the Engineers did...was replaced by the WHAT IF Curv-ball that David actually Creates the Xenomorph

This interesting Philosophical idea is a involvement over the ideas of the Engineers and Mankind, where RS felt the whole Creation agenda of the Engineers was more important than the Xenomorph...  The Revelation the Engineers are our Creators.... but now RS had felt that allowing David to be his own Creator and Actually the Creator of the Xenomorph is a Curve-ball RS was and is very fond of.

I think however a Sequel can not go away from the Xenomorph, i think they will not be giving us a Xeno Based Flick but the Xenomorph has to still be linked as they are eventually lining us up to the back end of ALIEN

And how those EGGS get onto a Engineer Ship and ends up crashing on LV-426

bigdave, I agree many don't fully understand proemetheus but that may be due to the lack of answers, whether RS says the answers r there or not. but that's the whole point of Prometheus, its the first in a trilogy and its not meant to be fully understood. I don't think AC was exactly as ridley wanted it. im betting the path of the film is different to his original plan and would probably have gone a long way if fox and RS not squirmed and relented to the haters and we would have got better answers to prometheus

As far as the Maps... indeed the Engineers Navigation systems have other Galaxies and this means they can travel far more than our Galaxy, LV-223/426 is merely 39.7LY from Earth thats a drop in the Ocean as far as our Galaxy... never mind how far the closest Galaxy to our own is...

Thats a potential for a massive amount of Worlds/Outposts known by the Engineers or their creators, and worlds that have Humanoid Life.

I believe LV-223 was merely a Watch Post, it was a Greenhouse/Nursery where these Engineers would visit Earth and watch over us from.  They would come to Earth and obtain some Specimens and then Evolve them on LV-223

Once pleased with the results they then seed them on Earth.

This is why LV-223 was Terra-formed to support Human thus Life on Earth.    At some point something happened and this place was latter turned into a place where those Engineers began to experiment with Life-forms related to the Engineers.

I would even think that they saw the Deacon as a form of Perfection, and a way for these beings to had be able to Create/Birth Life which they maybe lost the ability to or never had it... (AC however showed us females so this theory was prior to that).

But this theory still applies... i feel LV-223 was used to create nurture and evolve Life on Earth, in a Safe Environment where only creations they deemed successful would be allowed back to Earth.

The Star Maps showing us WHERE we Came from... and never a invitation because these Engineers never intended or thought we would ever evolve to what we are now... without the help of the Engineers who abandoned us.

But they encountered, and experimented with something else related to the Xenomorph and the Deacon proved to be a Organism they then saw as Perfect.

Then instead of using Engineers DNA to Evolve life. they saw that using the Deacons instead and this is why those Urns contained Xeno DNA... they  now saw this DNA as more Perfect than their own.

This explains Planet 4, because those Engineers were not afraid but welcoming the Juggernaught, until David unleashed Hell.

Those beings gathered around the central part of the Plaza welcoming the Ship, and indeed we see many Monuments to Engineers around this place...

I propose that the Juggernauts and Urns are just a Evolution to the Seeding Tear Drop Ship, where having a Engineers DNA broken down and stored in Urns to be dropped its a more Efficient way of Evolving Worlds than dropping off a Engineer to use the Sacrificial Goo.

Thus time to time Juggernauts would arrive on Planet 4, that Signaled a Choosing of Sacrifices to be used to Seed worlds... these beings must see being chosen as a sign of Perfection and a great Honor, and the Juggernauts arrive... collect Sacrifices and they are Sacrificed and the broken down Material stored in Urns to Seed worlds.

The Chosen Engineers are not wasted.. for them this Ritual IMMORTALIZES them not only would a New World be Evolved with their DNA but in the Plaza they would have erected Statues in that Sacrificial Engineers Honor.

This is how i see all the pieces fit together... but i could be wrong.

Indeed MonsterZero...

Also David could have gone back to Planet 4 as i am sure there are more Urns he has left down there....  if not then why not go back down to collect more Eggs etc...?

You would logically assume he would go to LV-223, but then the Questions are have the company even been to LV-223 in those 10 years since Prometheus?  taking a Human ship to LV-223 would risk the potential of being intercepted by the Company.

But then David in the Advent as basically explained what he has done and invited the company along... again a bit of Bad Writing because the Company now would know Davids Experiments had a basis from what he obtained from LV-223

There are a number of Plot Holes that need fixing..

*As of Alien 3, it appears the only thing the company can acquire related to the Xenomorph is via Impregnated Ripley, and so Logical would suggest LV-426 and LV-223 are both a Bust as far as Engineer Technology and Xenomorphs. BUT WHY?

*As of Alien Covenant, we have a decimated Engineer World with experiments, Eggs and Spores all related to Xenomorph and Engineer Technology.  

*As of Alien Covenant, it appears David is off to Origae-6 with some Xenomorphs and surely his Agenda is to continue with his Creations.

This means that we have Origae-6, Planet 4 and LV-223 that all have and will have Engineer Tech and Xenomorph related Bio-Weapons by the time of ALIEN...

These avenues must be a Bust by the time of ALIEN or else it makes no sense for Aliens on wards.

Also if the events of Davids Creation ends up on the Derelict it means one of only TWO outcomes.

1) Davids Creations end up on a Engineer Ship that happens for some reason to be heading towards LV-223 and crashing on LV-426

2) Davids Creations end up being taken to LV-426 and placed on a crashed Engineer Ship.

Option 1 is the only likely answer now.. and so its sorry for those holding out for the Ancient Space Jockey, but it looks logical the Space Jockey will be a being related or above the Engineers who is determined to put a Stop to David 8.... Destroys LV-223, but is also very intrigued in Davids Creations that they decide to keep them and this proves to be the Space Jockeys undoing.

As far as the Space Jockey...

Prometheus had the Answers, you just had to look harder... and RS even then told us the whole Space Jockey Mystery.. which i can put on here if anyone wishes... but this is a U-Turn now.

The Source i had claimed Prometheus had the answers, but that the sequel would via certain events give us more clues, and we dont need and would not have seen the Space Jockey... but by virtue of showing us TWO Xeno related Organisms that are different, One being a Creation of David that was a (Re-Creation) and virtue of seeing another that David does not create... would show us piece by piece how the Xenomorph came to be.

So it would have been a case of Spoon Feeding how to Create Similar, would then show us more clues to how the Original was created rather than having to Spoon Feed/Shoe-Horn in the Actually Space Jockey Event.

It appears that with the changes, they had decided to keep the David Creator Plot, but now instead of RE-CREATING and Evolving something Related... David now Creates something which Evolves into the Xenomorph.

Indeed IRaptus

She did cut him off, i think Daniels will had been part of the next movie, but she even dropped a hint by saying she is not no Ripley and the Story is about David.

The way they ended AC however does not bold well for Daniels, but then With David in Full control of the Ship, he could Quarantine Daniels off in a area of the Ship as a Prisoner, but i am not sure a movie with Daniels and David interacting would be something to spend  a large Quantity of the movie on... much like one about David and Shaw

A interesting thing is the Advent Prologue, as this implies David just needs his Queen,  and in AC we could see he was interested to see how Walters Relationship with Daniels was compared to his own with Dr Shaw,  asking if Walter Loved her... but for Walter is was Duty.

When confronting Daniels, he said he would do to her what he had done to Dr Shaw, and he mounted on top of her attempting to kiss her....  i cant help but feel David attempted this and got rejected by Shaw.

The other thing we know is Dr Shaw became Davids greatest piece of work, he wanted to start a NEW, and have her with him as they create a New World....  but in the end she was not going to take part in his plans.  And ultimately her Body became used for David to achieve his greatest creation... which surely means those Eggs.

And so i think David will look to Daniels to use her in someway to become his New Queen.

We've talked about David returning to LV223 to 're-stock' his black goo supplies.....But now I realize he has the Engineers orrery data map!

Probably knows EVERY single installation/city/base the Engineers have in the galaxy!

Little doubt he downloaded the entire map......

Probably pick and choose the nearest base....then head off to Origae6.

The Green Crystal Change is interesting...

The Source i had from Feb 2015, claimed the Crystal was a Shard of a Obelisk that was on Paradise, this Obelisk is neither Rock/Metal but it is Black and appears to had grown from the ground and had roots, it shined Green at the Center, inscribed with Runes.

This Obelisk was in essence the Tree of Life/Knowledge from the Garden of Eden, this was the Source of Power of Creation a Tool/Knowledge and Power only Permitted to be used by certain beings and only on the Order of certain beings.

The incorrect or forbidden use of this Tool, has dire consequences, the Green Shard in Prometheus was a piece Stolen by the Engineers and the source of Power that was more than the Sacrificial Goo, the substance obtained from it was now the source of EVERYTHING

But alas... until Paglen/Green come out and say anything or we get a release of the earlier Drafts by them.... then the Source information is nothing more than just rumor and can not be confirmed.

As far as theories Go, i totally respect Gavins theory, its a interesting and sinister one... but mine is different but maybe the total Agenda could be more sinister.

Indeed the Green Crystal was actually the Sacrificial Cup Originally, and so the Sacrificial Cup was on the altar in front of the Mural.  This Cup was Larger than the Sacrificial One... well it would thus imply the Sacrificial Engineer was indeed very Large (10ft+) maybe this is why it was changed?  As RS showcase of our Engineers revealed them to be no more than 7.5ft tall.... in Hindsight he should have used Technology that was used in Game of Thrones, The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings and thus could have made the Engineers appear 10ft or greater.

This is where my theory differs, well what i am drawn to and what i was from the start, that Months latter after Prometheus i came across Spaights Alien Engineers which to me backed up what i was thinking.

The Sacrificial Goo, was Sacrificial Scarabs, which Ate the Engineer Molecule by Molecule and then one of these Scarabs flew off and bitten a Female Primate... injecting the Engineer DNA it consumed, and thus causing the Primate to Evolve and become a Engineer/Primate Hybrid... thus HUMAN.

Prometheus shows us the Engineers Seeded DNA, Evolves Basic Life, to kick start evolution, well thats how i saw it, and so its a long path from this to Humans.... Not if the Engineers came back over certain periods and further Evolved Life until Humans was created (this is what LV-223 was which i will cover in reply to a related recent topic).

In Prometheus however the Black Goo turns Life into Xeno/Deacon related Lifeforms...  why does Earth not have Xeno/Deacon related Life?

I feel the fact the Sacrificial Bowl was in front of the Mural in a Christ pose, which reflects the Sacrifice Jesus made to Save Mankind, i feel the Cruciform pose of the Mural suggests this Organism was Sacrificed to the Sacrificial Goo and the Broken Down Material was stored in those Urns...   Thus the use of this would Evolve Life to take on the Deacons DNA.

If the Sacrificial Engineer consumed the Goo while he was in a shower Cubical and the broken down matter, then siphoned into the drainage and into Urns... would pouring these Urns into the Lake not Yield the same results?

The Sacrificial Engineer in Spaights draft took a Cruciform pose before he was consumed by the Scarabs... he was Sacrificing his Body to Create.

If we latter look at the Urns in Spaights draft, Fifield knocks one over and Scarabs swarm out and one burns into his Helmet and allows others in to BITE him... Fifield then convulses, pupils dilate, like the Primate from the opening Scene...  Fifield does not get consumed like the Sacrificial Engineer, he gets Evolved like the Female Primate only Fifield evolves into something related to the Xenomorph with Acid Blood, thus those Urns must have contained Scarabs that had already consumed Xeno related DNA.

This however is just my interpretation...

There had been changes and so its a question of what changes and does RS and FOX actually have a Basic Clue or is it a make it up as they go along?

I agree there are no need for Insults so lets first address the counter arguments..

It would appear some do-not fully understand Prometheus, yes you could say Engineers are not Humans because we evolved via Bacteria and Evolution...   but this is Sci-Fi....  yes maybe we Evolved from Bacteria, maybe the Big Bang is what created the Universe.

But Religious people would argue against those claims, and that GOD created the Heavens and Earth, and Mankind...

WHAT Ridley Scott was doing or attempting was that actually neither of these are CORRECT but they kind of have roots to what actually happened within context of SCI-FI you only have to pay attention to all of RS comments prior to the  U-Turn Mash up/Mess that is Alien Covenant.

The idea is that indeed WE Evolved from Basic Lifeforms, well that either one of TWO Things happened.

1) Engineer Sacrifice, leads to the Building Blocks/Bacteria that kick started life THUS the Sacrificial Scene is actually the Panspermia Event

2) That basic Life/Bacteria was on Earth, (evidence in Prometheus suggests this) and the Sacrifice actually was the Catalyst that Evolved Basic Single Cell Life into Complex Life...  (Full understanding of the Sacrificial Goo) answers this.

People need to then look at RS comments, as he answers quite a lot, he had claimed and said after Prometheus Release, that these Engineers came back over many thousands of years and Evolved us both Genetically and Technologically.

Upon Denouncing a Sequel plans, and few months before announcing Alien Covenant..  Ridley Scott had given us more clues...  He suggested that if the Engineers are the Fore-runners of Mankind... then WHO and WHAT allowed for Worlds to be able to support life in the first place... where is the BIG GUY

He then even Questioned, that the Big Bang may have not been a Accident, even suggesting Steven Hawkings thinks it may have been more than accidental.

This was RS suggesting to us that Worlds had to go through some kind of Terra-forming before they could be suitable to be able to Seed Worlds. He seems to  point to the possibility that there is a greater Power above the Engineers who have the ability to actually Create/Mold Worlds themselves.

Yes all this sounds stupid if you try and look at it compared to reality, but then ALIENS is completely Dumb if you look at it in reality. Xenomorphs DONT EXISTS..

But the point is they do as far as Sci-Fi movies...

Some interesting works here...

The Xenomorph i like apart from the Face....

I will watch that theory latter...

But before... i have mentioned about this Signal before, and indeed i am not sure Dr Shaw left any Signal, i think David had gone through some Recordings on the Juggernaught and then he edited a portion to be sent out to ATTRACT the Attention of near by Human Ships down the line.

Dr Shaw looked in a Panic in the Hologram Recording the Covenant Crew had seen when they entered the Juggernaught, but then it could have been from the time in The Crossing when she was activating the controls while David was in the Pilot Chair.

Here is what is interesting however.. why would she be singing Take Me Home? when they actually are not heading HOME?

I had mentioned before, and prior to AC being released, that if she was attempting to leave Planet 4/Paradise she could be in a rush/panic for some reason and maybe Singing the TAKE ME HOME is a way of trying to calm her Nerves

Questions then would be WHY? and so why was she in a panic and trying to activate the control panel?

Possible Explanations would be..

*To prevent David from doing the Bombardment, she realized what he had done, and attempted to stop it... However you would think David would have allowed Dr Shaw to remain in Cryo-sleep while he performed his Agenda.

*To take off after she was aware of Davids Sinister Agenda or Personality, but then the Ship was Crashed.

i) Did she try and take the Ship off, even though it had crashed?

ii) Had the ship crashed or landed someplace else, and she latter tried to take off but ended up crashing the Ship?

With Wayne Haaggs comments about the Docking Ship and Juggernaught having a Dust-Up (Thats a Battle) and in the movie we do see the Docking Ship crashed, could this had left both ships crashed and hence Option i) is the viable answer?

Or maybe after the Dust Up, The Juggernaught did not get so badly damaged, and so Dr Shaw latter tried to escape in the Ship?

On set some reporters did mention how it looked like Dr Shaw had attempted to Secure and Hold up in the Juggernaught away from David.   She either could have locked off parts of the ship, as if this was post Crash, then we can see the opening the Covenant Crew used would be easy for David to use... but then the Covenant Crew managed to also managed to access the area Shaw used and so David could done so easy too.

Maybe the Writing was not so good, and so its ambiguous and a bit contradicting...

The only Logical Explanation i have and had before is this.

Dr Shaw was in Cryo-Sleep during the Bombardment, David would know she would want her Answers even if it meant she may get none and would be killed,  David wanted the Engineers Dead for TWO Reasons.

1) He would be free to explore their World, as he knows the Danger a Engineer can pose to him and he simply does not wish to be dis-activated, David sees himself as Sentient and he wants to Survive.

2) David was fond of Dr Shaw and Loved her and he would not want her to risk any chance she would be killed or used by the Engineers.

So he carried on with his own Plans...

POST Bombardment i think the Ship Crashed,  and David at some point awoken Dr Shaw and gave some reason or excuse for why the Bombardment happened, be it accident, or he had to do it because he found the Engineers are Hostile and about to attack.

David then informs Dr Shaw the Atmosphere outside is not Safe, and the World is contaminated and it will take so many Months/Years before its Safe.

This keeps Dr Shaw locked up in the Ship, where David would come and go and provide her with Food/Water, and allow David free reign to do as he pleases.

I would say at some point David either allowed Shaw to leave, or she left herself and down the line she either or both... found out what David had actually done and planned, and also made Advances towards her.

She then plotted to escape and in a act of desperation she attempted to get the Crashed Juggernaught off the Surface... to No Avail.. before David got to her.

The Revelation after the DVD/Blu-Ray release, that Originally they intended Dr Shaw to be doing the LORDS PRAYER instead of the TAKE ME HOME i think shows us indeed Dr Shaw was in a desperate rush to try and Escape Planet 4 and Go HOME.

As far as the Age goes, well we have to ask why would this place have been depicted on Cave Paintings some 35'000 years ago and so i think we can safely assume these complexes had been around for longer than 35'000 years ago.

Here comes the Problem with this... if this place was never active 35'000 years ago then why would the Engineers (we assume) had left clues/maps to this place many thousands of years before it was a Bio-Weapons Facility?

If it was a Bio-Weapons Facility some 35'000 years plus ago, then why create such Weapons, and yet visit Mankind over and over, and through various periods of our Cultural Evolution until about 2000 years ago they decide to then use the Bio-Weapons on us... 

Did they create  these Weapons for longer than a few THOUSAND years? Then just waited like 32'000+  years (at least) before they decided to use them?   Was it because of how we Evolved and Changed? or did we have to reach a certain level/population before they could use the Bio-Weapon.

A lot depends on the simply Question "WHY and WHAT Purpose" this was something a Prometheus Sequel looked set up to Answer for us, David had said "To Create, One must First Destroy"

So this leaves us asking did the Engineers Create or Evolve us to simply wait a Period of Time before we are then to be used for the Black Goo, to Create Something Else?

Possible, but then it appears the investment in Mankind was too much for this to be the case, it appeared the Process (and Especially with Prometheus) in our Creation/Evolution was a very long one... and then we are looking at least 35'000 years of visiting us, where its implied maybe the Engineers are responsible for teaching Mankind Technology and Culture that Evolved us from mere CAVE-MEN 

If we was simply  a Harvest then why wait 30'000 years or so? i guess for the Population to Rise, but then if we was to be used to simply Procreate to a Level when there are the Right Number of Viable Hosts to be Evolved by the Black Goo, then did the Engineers really need to Evolve us to the Level Mankind was 5000 years ago?  We could have been kept as more simplistic Mankind, more evolved than Cave-Men but not as Evolved as say the Mesopotamia  civilizations, because then we could have been allowed to Breed over and over but kept in Wooden Huts and in Caves still until we populated enough to then be the quantity needed to be used for the Black Goo to Evolve us to what ever the Engineers intended.

It is these Flaws that make me think (this is not to say its what RS etc was thinking) that there is more to this place than a MILITARY Outpost

Another Flaw with the 35'000 year ago Military Outpost, is this means the Engineers actually Managed perhaps to Secure the Bio-Weapons for THOUSANDS of years until some 2000 years ago..  If this place had the Bio-Weapon for THOUSANDS of years like 35'000 years then we have to ask how come they could Safely Maintain this place until 2000 years ago...

If this place had these Bio-Weapons all that long (35'000 years) then its even more strange how it got out of hand 2000 years ago.  WHY did the Outbreak Happen 2000 years ago and WHY could they not contain it... is again ANOTHER QUESTION that we surely could have needed answers for in a Sequel to Prometheus.

Here are some possibilities...

*A accidental Spillage, but then what Safe-guards are there? We have to also ask what was the Space Jockey Suits for?  And had they ever suffered a Outbreak/Accident before 2000 years ago?  If so surely they would have learned from their mistakes? I find it hard to believe they dabbled with this stuff for many many THOUSANDS of years and only Had One Outbreak/Contamination that Finished them?

*Evolution of Experiments, had they been conducting different experiments until at latter stages they created something more hostile and harder to contain?  But some clues on LV-223 to me do-not suggest mass Xeno/Deacon like Outbreaks.

*Sabotage which ever reason or point where these Engineers had decided to use this Bio-Weapon on Earth or Evolve/Create something Horrific with it.... was some portion of these Engineers Against the use and intention of using this Bio-Weapon on Earth.... was their some kind of Sabotage?  We have to ask why did that One Engineer Survive?   And how do all these Engineers get infected, when surely they should have Protective Gear and Precautions especially if they knew what they was dealing with for THOUSANDS of years... so SABOTAGE could be a very good explanation.

*Intervention like above but on a grander scale, if those Engineers on LV-223 was doing something that did not sit right with other Factions of their kind, then maybe a Intervention had happened that lead to the Outbreak, this is something speculated on here a few times. Did One Faction from another Place decide to put a stop to the works of these Engineers on LV-223... to think of it Ridley Scott called them Fallen Angels, which means they were maybe more Graceful/Benevolent in the past and some may still be what we could call ANGELS.

*Natural Disaster could some kind of Force of Nature had devastated the Outpost leading to a contamination, we only need to look at Fukushima in 2011 and imagine a more inland Power Station where say a Earth Quake actually happens directly near by or under a Nuclear Power-station... The Fall Out/Contamination would be Dreadful. Could something Similar had happened?

I will leave these for you to maul over.... and next i will suggest as i have for a long time, what i feel LV-223 WAS...

These are very interesting questions, i have covered these before but its nice to re-cap, especially in light of how Alien Covenant could give us a new way to look at them, but to me AC just kind of for me backed up what i always saw this place as.

I think we need to look at Prometheus and what this movie showed us, as if we take a look at earlier drafts then a few things appeared different.

Alien: Engineers had given us our introduction to the Engineer Race, and how they had played a role in the creation of Mankind, via using the Sacrificial Scarabs (Goo).  But this story also revolved around LV-426 and not LV-223 and it appeared to be showing us these Engineers encountered some Life-Form on this World and using their Tools of Genetic Manipulation (Black Goo/Nano-Scarabs) they in effect was performing similar to what David had been doing on Planet 4

Thus Alien Engineers had shown us that indeed these Engineers had been some kind of Military/Scientific Bio-Weapons Division, where they had been creating various kinds of Organism related to the Xenomorph, no less than perhaps 7-8 different variations.

Prometheus: changed this a bit, by having it set on LV-223 and only really showing One Bio-Weapon the Black Goo and the outcomes of contact with this variant that lead to the Deacon which was similar to what was displayed in the Mural

Thus i think they could still had been keeping the idea/concept behind the Spaights Draft of Various forms of Xeno related Experiments, but only showing us the ONE variant in the Temple/Cave Complex the Prometheus Crew had visited

In Prometheus we saw that there was at least a total of 5 of these Complexes and so its always something to Ponder if each of these was a different Facility to be conducting slightly different experiments and thus maybe each of the 5 Complexes each had a slightly different variation of the Black Goo, from which they had been conducting 5 different experiments on Xenomorph related Organisms?

Or maybe Each Temple is dedicated towards a single Race, as the Fire and Stone comics introduced us to the Predator Hunting some Large 4 Armed Humanoid Race, who also had Cave Maps to the LV-223 System...  this would maybe be teasing us that the Engineers had left these Maps to many various kinds of Humanoids they had seeded.

This however does then imply the potential that Each Complex is meant for a different Race, which means thus the Prometheus not only by Pot Luck found that Valley but also the First Temple by Pot Luck was the one intended for Mankind.

So i think we are left with TWO possibilities

*Each Complex is maybe for Each Race the Engineers have created, but i feel they would have created many more Races than those Temples, but who knows how many Complexes are on that World.

*Each Complex they have a slightly different form of Bio-Weapon they was working on.

Indeed we could also look at these places being purely a Military Weapons Facility and this indeed is hinted at with Janeks Dialog, and the place did have that Military Outpost look and feel to it and Ridley Scott had referred to the Ships as Bio-Logical Bombers.

Which could suggest maybe each Complex has a different form of the Bio-Weapon, but if this is the case then the Black Goo David used would not have been 100% the same as the one in Prometheus as it appeared Dr Shaw had taken Davids Body towards another Complex to obtain a Juggernaught.

Indeed he is just a exceptional artist when it comes down to futuristic Machinery/Technology and Space Craft Design

Holloway studied ancient civilizations from Earth and that green crystal and the murals reminded him of a tomb, ancient rituals implying military activity/conquest. It does not necessarily have to be some relic of the creature in the mural.

"Right outside of Teotihuacan, the largest indigenous metropolis in the Americas, is a town/mine called Pachuca. The obsidian out of this mine comes in a very unique shade of green that has appealed to human civilizations dating back to before the Olmecs (4000 years plus).

The main scientific reason why this Green Obsidian is so important is that when found at an ancient tomb or archaeological site, it indicates ancient Teotihuacano presence in the area. The geography of where this mineral shows up allows scientists to piece together long-lost traderoutes, and in arrowhead form, it implies military activity/conquest."

http://crystalmaster.com/blog/2016/7/1/the-ancient-green-obsidianchocolate-connection

I think the beast is cooked since ALIENS, when Cameron's lack of insight transformed the xenomorphs into and only into targets for his beloved Marines - lame, I felt as if I was watching a replay of TERMINATOR with bugs on it. Then, all those sequences and AVPs and games...

Enough is enough, and I loved PROMETHEUS and COVENANT for Sir Ridley's different approach. So I trust his next movie will show us a completely distinct universe somehow linked to the original, the one and only ALIEN.

And, of course, there will be lot of complaints and whining from those who apparently enjoy feeling sick after having eaten too much of the same.

I am ok with the direction Ridley Scott wants to follow, I hope he will leave the engineers as an extinct civilization too. Just bring in the one who made the engineers, because they are just an older civilization, technologically advanced to humans. 

The engineers are cooked as well. Just look at the folks bombed by David, what more can we expect from them? Marooned on that planet.

So what will happen with the 2 embryos and the 2 thousands colonists?

@joylitt

I don't read much on what Ridley Scott says about his movies or where the direction that the Alien movies will go.  The only time I read stuff like that is on this website, like in this thread, or on the front page news. So...correct if I'm wrong here...

"He is very reactionary and his role as a businessman is very prominent as of late.  If AC would have been a success he would not be talking about bringing back the engineer."

Isn't Ridley's boss Fox?  Wasn't it Fox that said that the Alien franchise needed to have the Xeno in it?  Isn't that why the Xeno was forced into Alien: Covenant?  That's probably why there wasn't a good reaction to the Xeno.

"I hope Fox conducts a market research on the fanbase and the general audience and submits its findings to Ridley."

This could've been the problem for Alien: Covenant.  The fanbase wanted the Xeno after Prometheus.  So, Fox is to Ridley, "Use the Xeno."  Ridley's like, "Ok bosses!"  Ridley started this whole prequel idea to my knowledge, so to just abandon the whole prequel that he started after he was told that he had to change the direction that Prometheus set up apparently just didn't seem right to Ridley.  I can see where he's coming from.  He's been wanting to make the prequels since 1979.  This is his chance, and probably his last chance before he retires, and I can understand on why he would bend his ideas to Fox's desires for the prequels he started.

Really, the prequels are Ridley's idea, but Fox is the one that owns the rights to the Alien franchise and funds the movies.  How could anything get done without going through Fox first?

On my person opinion, I LOVED Prometheus.  It wasn't a perfect movie, but it was fantastic.  I think Ridley really had a good product that just needed a little more thought into the characters.  From what it sounds like with what I've read on this website regarding Fox's stance and now, according to this thread, Ridley's intentions are most likely heading back ON PATH to what Prometheus started.  

"We put too much faith on Ridley."

I don't think we would have the prequels without Ridley.  Fox knew of Ridley's intentions way back around 1979, so Fox might have eventually set out to make prequels.  The point I'm getting at here is that Ridley's making the movie, whether we like it or not.  Plus, apparently Fox is giving the green light for Ridley to do almost whatever he wants.  So, I'm thinking Ridley is just going to go with what he has been scheming over for maybe 30 years and develop that into Alien: Awakening.

From what it sounds with Fox's previous stances, it's not Ridley that's the problem, it's Fox.

I hope there is no market research on the fan base and, instead, Ridley analyzes what he thinks is good and makes THAT into a movie.  Then, when he gets the general ideas, all he needs to do is find some good writers.

"He needs to find a screenplay that impresses him."

He should have that power from Fox now after reading their recent statements and I think that's what he's going to do this time around.  Yet, maybe your right and I'm putting to much faith in Ridley.

Alien: Awakening is his LAST SHOT at making an Alien movie anytime soon.  I think he knows this and is taking this movie more seriously than any of the Alien movies just because of the burden of expectations.  He's almost been given free rein to do what he wants from Fox.  I'm not worried about Alien: Awakening yet.  It's to early to tell.  I do like what I'm hearing from Fox and from what Ridley is saying according to this thread.

I Moon Girl We put too much faith on Ridley. He needs to find a screenplay that impresses him. He is very reactionary and his role as a businessman is very prominent as of late. If AC would have been a success he would not be talking about bringing back the engineer. I hope Fox conducts a market research on the fanbase and the general audience and submits its findings to Ridley. He really needs to understand the real reasons why AC was so disappointing.

joylitt said, "I totally agree with that. But I am very worried about Ridley's latest statements. It sounds like he is dismissing more than just the xenomorph..."

The problem with this source is it only gives Ridley Scott around 40 seconds to talk.  To really understand what Ridley is thinking for a new movie and what he thinks of Alien: Covenant, we would have to at least carve out an hour for him to really talk.  Plus, everybody is going to want to ask questions too.  The Alien prequels are really deep stories and it's all because of Prometheus.  I wish we had video of a more in depth conversation with Ridley Scott.  Without that, I can't complain about his direction.  I'm just excited that it's not going to be like the original 4.  The prequels NEED to be different then those.

We should just keep our ears and our internet researches ready for more comments by Ridley Scott.

All I know is that Fox wants something competely original and is giving the reins to Ridley Scott.  With that power, Scott has chosen to put the Xeno off to the side of the main story.  We also know that this is going to be the final prequel in Scott's hands as of now.  Is there anything else that I'm missing?  What else can we assume that Alien: Awakening is going to be from Ridley Scott's comments?

Honestly they would have been better off sticking to the Neomorphs in Covenant. The Neomorph scenes were very effective because their growth, speed and ferocity were out of synch to the Xenomorph pacing we are used to. It was a game-changer like 28 Days Later when Danny Boyle brought in Zombies that could run for the first instead of the slow dawdle pace you expected. Put you on the backfoot.

There shouldn't have been any hint of the Xenomorph until David slips the facehugger embryos into cryo at the end as David's Ace up the sleeve for the next film. It showed David had his endgame product without further cooking the beast in a Xeno hunt scene with no emotion or energy

The one with the red spacecraft parked in a hangar with the trees in the background is my favorite.  It tells me that people still need nature in such a high-tech society.  I believe this is true and I'm glad to see that in his picture.

Wow, such an ambitious project!  I did enjoy the sci-fi architecture.  Still, the architecture seems to lack personality.  Maybe I'm mistaken and what I think I'm seeing is not architecture, so maybe that's why.  I guess it could be very utilitarian architecture.  That could explain it.

I highly doubt the future of architecture would lack this personality of the people who occupy them.  I'm not saying it's impossible, but I have faith in future architects that they will learn of the great architects that we have today and possible the ones in the future.  Especially when information could be dispersed easier than today and understood quicker than we can imagine.