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Lowenthal- It's no good. Hull breach. Sector's closed.
Alien- Ash- I liked watching him die.
Aliens- (the deleted cocooned Burke explosive death scene- a fitting way to go since he knew the fear of the colonists)
Alien 3- Dillon- Fisticuffs and keeps going until the lead gets poured. Died with his boots on and was a bad ass.
Resurrection- The Ripley 7 mercy killing. It was sad but felt relief that the poor clone's suffering was over. Christie is a close second. His death had impact- demonstrated selflessness and sacrifice.
Prometheus- Weyland's death- the irony was just too great to ignore.
AC- the neomorph getting capped was satisfying after what it did to Rosenthall.
I think Hudson would agree that this is "the state of the bad ass art"!
THAT is really special and I think Giger would be proud. Thanks for sharing!
@Ati
"First I'd like to stress that the David-Walter kiss is not a gay kiss"
You see, that's the thing. It's not a mutual agreement between the two. David is expressing his emotions completely wrong, yet he thinks it's okay. David's "exploring" his "emotions". (I'm using quotations to show what's false, yet that is how I think David is thinking about it).
"that scene is not a gay scene"
And I'm not saying David is gay. I'm not saying David is even bisexual. I just commented that, if David did think he was one of the two, why would he? I think David is just trying to express the emotion of "being in love"
"and Covenant is not a gay movie"
Never said that or even tried to say that.
"in Blade Runner (1982). The replicant kisses Tyrell, the creator - right before killing him. In Covenant we see something similar."
Yes, there are similar in execution, but there are subtle differences that can be interpreted different and could change the meaning. If we ignore those differences (which could make a different in the kisses meaning, yet they are similar) and actually analyze the scene that the kiss take place in, I see that meaning comes from two completely different minds. Completely different (yet both androids too). David wants Walter to join him and gives him a chance right up to Walters "death" while Batty just wants more life, but cannot get it. David is completely different and longing for the feelings humans get to experience, like the feeling of being "in love". I don't see why David would ever be programmed to feel this, yet he talks about it in the Prometheus "Crossing" clip released by Fox. He's an android. What purpose is there for an android which falls "in love". I'm sure we could figure out a couple, yet the economics wouldn't make sense for it. I see David as striving to be like a god, while also trying to become human. The reason being is that he's a machine. David doesn't want to be a machine and wants to experience "being in love" like humans do (loving another human like in relationships is a very basic instinct that I think David thinks he can do, yet he really can't. Plus, David likes movies, as in Prometheus, so I'm sure he was culturally programmed to like the idea of "being in love". He is, after all, from Western civilization), yet he recognizes it's benefits, like living much longer and stronger than any human could ever with current or nearby future technology. Not even David's "father", the man who was as close to a god as any human in the Alien history as we know it, could not escape death, even in the face of finding an advance alien life form that no one ever dreamed of existing.
In Batty's kiss, he is kissing his creator. He is kissing his god. That, I think, is why a kiss is important for that scene, yet it is odd. I wouldn't kiss God. If He asked me too, I would feel uncomfortable doing it, especially on the lips. I wouldn't discriminate against anyone who would either. It's just in my culture that we don't kiss the same sex. It's almost taboo. Of course, God is always projected as a man...but let's just ignore that little piece of Bible script for this purpose.
David is kissing an equal when he kisses Walter. Of course David's ego would always put him over Walter, still, I do think that David does recognize that Walter could do almost as great of things that David has done. Walter just needs someone to light his path because he wasn't programmed too do what David is capable of doing.
"it goes against what it means to be a 'perfect' man.'
Why? A gay man can't be a perfect man? On the other hand, nobody is perfect."
Please notice that there are quotation marks around the word perfect. Those are there to explain the very reasons that you are claiming that I said. Those quotations, to me (the reason why I put them there), mean that there is no such thing as perfect, but look around at your culture. It may not be as obvious today as it was, say 50 years ago, but our culture pushes that a male should marry a female. LGBT's are going to the courts this very day to get equal rights recognized for them. It is only because of these and similar efforts that we get a cultural understand and respect for these kind of people. Some people have chosen to completely reject LGBT's and, I think most people, could care less about LGBT's and what they do as long as they leave the straight people alone (that's how I feel. Don't touch me. I'm not gay.) Still, 50 years ago, it was really different and I would expect a good bit of people would be upset with gay people. Look at the Bible. I don't know if you are a Christian, but Christianity proclaims male and female should marry. I think this is what drives people to hate gays today. This discussion could really just go on...
"As for the official LGBT numbers you provide, sorry, it's a little bit funny. Several other factors should be taken into consideration when you want to jump to a conclusion based on similar sources. In this case you get a better picture regarding reality if you consider"
I agree with points a through d that you have mentioned. I would have said them myself if you said something that would have required me to say that. I respect people for who they are and really try not to put any human being down, regardless of relationship desires or other characteristics. The points you have mentioned are accurate, yet the only reason I'm bringing numbers that I have found into this (with the sources) is because you claimed that Germany is over 20% gay. First off, according to my research, they are the highest in LGBT population in all of Europe, NOT THE NORM, so you really can't use that number to express the real LGBT population. I was just showing you that I got numbers different than what you claimed. Very different. Plus, I have provided sources, unlike you. If your numbers are right, then they are right, but you need to show your source. I have shown mine. I even admit that my sources came about through hasty research, so I am willing to accept the fact that they could be off by a little or more. Still, I have found a similar number for Germany LGBT population elsewhere that I have not shared, so I wouldn't expect them to be off by much, like 5% max.
Another point related to LGBT. If David is somehow identifying himself as a gay, which I'm not saying he is as a fact (yet we don't know what he is actually thinking on his gender preference), then LGBT numbers are not even what we should be looking for. We should be look for GAY percentage numbers. Those would be even lower than the LGBT's. Who knows by how much either. Maybe David doesn't think women should marry women, but that men are only allowed this privilege. Now I'm really stretching what I think David is actually thinking, but, during the High Renaissance times in Italy, the male body was considered perfect and the woman as being ugly. David, to me, does seem like a modern Renaissance man. His name even comes from a Renaissance artist based off of a replica sculpture (or maybe it's the real thing. It's Peter Weylands of course) that David saw when he awoke. Still, I'm stretching what I think David's thoughts are here. (Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the first painting David sees in Alien: Covenant was made during the Renaissance. I think Peter Weyland draws motivation and friendship from the Renaissance times in Italy).
Now, here's comes my most important question of this massive post.
You said, "Those lines are about the Alien universe. I use 'replicants' in the BR universe, and 'androids' in the Alien universe."
And where is this coming from? I get really upset when people say something that can change EVERYTHING, yet they provide NO SOURCE. What am I supposed to think? If someone asks me how I know that androids develop emotions over time, I'm supposed to say somebody on the internet with a fake name that I have no clue what it means told me. I got nothing to ground these claims in.
Plus, I've read Alien: Covenant novel, Alien: Covenant Origins novel, Alien: Out of the Shadows, I've watched Prometheus many number of times (fabulous movie by the way), I've seen Alien: Covenant 3 times, I've seen all of the original four Alien films numerous times over my life and I just don't remember this claim ever being said. I've also scene the promotion short videos before and after Alien: Covenant. What more do I need to do to understand the Alien universe? I mean you got to admit, the Alien universe is turning into a maze. If it ain't in those 6 movies or the two prequels and their associated books, then apparently it's not important information, yet it is very important information in understanding David in the prequels. How long would it take of movie or novel time to just state that.
Now, maybe I just don't remember hearing that fact, but, if you could, just share your source. Still, I may ignore the maze that the Alien universe is becoming.
On a side note, I tried to get someone to watch Alien: Covenant with me an I said, "We should watch the marketing clips released by Fox. They're interesting." His reply was, "Can't we just watch the movie?"
That comment really hit home to me, but I'm willing to allow some wiggle room for the writers to put this information in books since movies can only be so long. He's not really an Alien fan by the way. He likes Alien stuff, but he's not going to join the club or read the book or anything like that.
IRaptus Distephano's head mush was brutal af, totally out of left field lol Drake was a boss though, fighting for his Vasquez :3
IRaptus & Ingeniero I agree with Weyland's death, just desserts for his hubris. Love the way Ingeniero put it though lmao
The backburst was a thing of beauty! Very horrific and brutal. Karine being ravaged to death by the Bloodburster was a little hard to watch imo.
Ingeniero Totally forgot about alienuniverse.com, glad it's still putting out content.
Some things are odd looking but I do like the overall look of the Engineer aesthetic Lawrence of Arabia. Especially the chair.
It seems like David is working hard on producing the alien data bank Cerulean Blue. All joking aside, the Star Wars Databank looks good.
We did have the Weyland Industries site that had similar data but not as well developed. That's gone now but the alienuniverse.com that replaced it is starting to fill out with content and I'm sure that will build up over time.
Yes Ati. We have had rich discussions with old friends.
Prometheus: The Engineer turning Peter Weyland into a unicorn when braining him with David’s severed head (Meredith Vickers is a very close second)
Alien Covenant: Ankor death by neomorph tail
Alien: Ash turned to milk by Parker’s flame
Aliens: Carter Burke meets gnashing teeth
Alien 3: Ellen Ripley into fire (because Michael Bishop told her not to do it...she showed him!!!)
Alien Resurrection: Purvis bringing it to Wren (he needed it)
IRaptus - Ah, this is the boomerang topic of the site, once a month we talk about David's spare parts. :D If I know correctly, David was a perfect lover. :D :D
To me they way the movie ends somehow relates to Alien 2. Forgot the name of the planet but only one single child survived and everybody else was dead. What if David landed on that planet and planted the xenomorph embryos into all those colonists?
To me they way the movie ends somehow relates to Alien 2. Forgot the name of the planet but only one single child survived and everybody else was dead. What if David landed on that planet and planted the xenomorph embryos into all those colonists?
now we know why David killed the Engineers.... feeling insecure Shaw would leave him for an Engineer. Perhaps Mr Weyland designed him with a tiny pecker.....couldn't have it all XD
You are fantastic Ingeniero, thank you very much.
Oh, I see an old friend among the commenters: Inquisitor Fifield.
I wonder what her new name is now. :)
'It's cool to hear that these prequels were gestating in Scott's head since Alien 79 :)'
I agree with you Lawrence of Arabia.
I think every fan would be satisfied to see the following storyline in the next Alien movie:
The Engineers are not the creators of the LV-426 eggs, but they had found them and took some of them to Planet 4. The Space Jockey couldn't escape from the moon.
David found an egg (from LV-426) on Planet 4. (AC novelization) He just recreated the monster. He thought the egg had been created by the Engineers, but the truth is that there is an unknown and mysterious species behind everything.
---> Clash...
Bump!I'm a bit lost cuz i can't download the damned pdf but want to see who wins.I'll jump in when i recognize something lol.
@Joylitt I'm not saying War for the Planet of the Apes and Fury Road are disappointing in terms of quality because they are great movies (actually haven't seen Apes yet to be honest but i have been reassured that it's great)but they certainly weren't box office gold.Apes only made about half of what it's predecessor made and is regarded as a box office disappointment.Mad Max may have won over critics but not audiences,a sequel is talked about often but Hollywood doesn't seem interested in actually pursuing it,had the film performed better a sequel would have been fast tracked in my opinion.
Great T.E. Lawrence reference Ati.
Below are enhancements of the openings in the mountain you have pointed out above.
I see what you are referring to in relation to image below...very similar recesses cut back into the mountain.
The note regarding the Engineer alphabet is good research too. Thank you, very interesting.
Thank you very much Ingeniero, right after the release of the prologue 'The Crossing' I was brave enough to share my crazy ideas about a possible Petra connection.
Plus, I stated that I did not believe the words David uttered.
Those articles were not very popular at that time...
Ingeniero - Glad you like it. You hit the target. According to the creator, the artistic focus was placed on the pain killer addiction appearing in the last scenes of Prometheus.
Here are the requested images chli.
Great topic (see here) in regards to the architecture and similarity to Petra Ati. I can't imagine how I missed it then back in April. Great work.
Leeta - I'm happy that it made you happy. :)
dk - You say you are too sexy. What do I think about it? I'm sure your wife is very happy. :D
Ingeniero - You're welcome. I was incredibly modest - as always. :D
sherris - :) I'm sure you've seen it before because you wrote these lines in my topic dealing with these carvings:
'Ati - great post and idea / ive got to say i think you have a great theory here.
i was always unsure of it being the engineer homeworld despite theory towards it.
i think it is an "unchartered paradise" maybe because the engineers have the tech. to disguise their important planets from long range scans.
it would make sense a superior race could have such tech and more. their are rumours that beings can affect climate. maybe they can hide / disguise planets that are important too?'
All of the blockbuster super hero films including GotG, Avengers, Transformers, Justice League etc they are all pure entertainment films with no substance beyond their big budget fx and all-star ensemble casts. They get bums on seats at the cinema but you walk out after the film feeling wholly unsatisfied. They don't make you think, challenge your views, or change your perspective of things...just entertain.
Ill have the old classic's any day...
Alien - Brett (amazing scene)
Aliens - Drake going down swinging
Alien 3 - agree with Murphy into the fan
Resurrection - Distephano head mush
Prometheus - Weyland's death by decapitated android head bludgeon
Covenant - Oram
i not seen it b4 !!
Was another great addition to my engineer mythos
I might be able to shed some light on this. I am a huge NECA collector and buy pretty much all the stuff they produce. Back when Prometheus figures came out, sales were lackluster and they cancelled all future waves. Since Covenant was getting closer and people are collecting more, NECA released the lost wave back in May 2017. They tend to release figures based off of sales to leverage production. I did order doubles of all the Covenant figures....but I have seen a fairly large amount of Covenant figures still sitting on shelves. I see a ton of the baby neomorph pack with eggs everywhere. I guess this means that they are not meeting sales expectations perhaps.
haha, I have seen this before but I think David would of taken the request.
I do not agree Mad Max Fury Road was a disappointment. And War For the Planet of The Apes is part of a very successful trilogy. It is only the last installment that faltered a little bit because of its grim tone and also because some people said the advertising for the movie was misleading. On the other had, the last Spiderman was expected to do better business. Box office expectations for The Predator should be kept at bay because that was never a huge franchise; however, it might turn out to be profitable. In the end, it all comes down to the budget/box office ratio.
chli - Thx, it's good you brought it up, who knows, fresh eyes can find more...
OK. Sorry, if you've already discussed this. Nice comparison with Petra, Ati.
Well good riddance to them all. I did not like either of the latest installments of those movies. Almost all are filled with cliches and self references. They don't tell new stories, new adventures or any new insight.
In the last 5 years, the only big budget Sci-fi I liked were Prometheus (because I thought it will be a new story in the Alien franchise, daring enough to bring the atmosphere in the foreground, not the galactic "dickhead") and the Martian.
But today I think the Expanse, Black Mirror or even Electric Dream's are infinitely better than any franchise story. No toys, no t-shirt nor merch but stories.
MonsterZero I don't think Milburn would have been reanimated, that Hammerpede destroyed him. Fifield inhaled the Accelerant and was still alive to mutate.
My list:
Alien: Kane chestburst
Aliens: When the Colonial Marines were ambushed in the Alien nest
Alien 3: Newt, Hicks, and Bishops untimely demise.
Alien Resurrection: Purvis and Wren-chestburster through the head
Prometheus: Charlie's death by fire
Alien Covenant: Oram's chestburst
It's cool to hear that these prequels were gestating in Scott's head since Alien 79 :) I always wondered who the Space Jockey was and where the Alien came from so I'm glad they're being addressed.
