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I'm with Ingeniero on this. Walter is nice, cute and helpful but David sounds like more fun (however I wouldn't turn my back on him). I will also take one for the team and choose Ash... poor buddy... no one loves him. :D

Is Samuels from Alien: Isolation an option? He was great!

Regular Parrot & cuponator3000 

That's what I loved about A:C, it's dark and takes risks. It's seeping Lovecraft through its jelly-filled maw >:-)

Walter

Yeah, I'd rather a sequel to Covenant than Neil's fanfic *shudders*

I don't think Walter is dead Ati. 

I thought David 8 had a Point Break look.

Xenomorphzilla

Remember what hapenned after 1979 when other directors entered the franchise.Everything was Garbage, and shit

until 2012.

Impossible to say.David (Prometheus) or Walter.

But he now is "The madman"

Walter is the option.

David 8 is a true intellectual athlete with a stellar performance record. David 8 has improved since losing his mind. He busted a spring or two but was still able to use Engineer tech on the Engineers.

Ingeniero I'd be on that like a bee to honey <3

Lawrence of Arabia, you present reasonable facts regarding Daniels (I may change my answer).

Here are additional images of the city I was able to grab in the background, enlarge and enhance.

That is a great point BigDave.

"If we consider 2000 years ago, such Tribes then would include the Native Indians, the Aztecs, Incas and Mayans and other Tribal Cultures.

What if these guys had kept to a more Ancient Culture, and not displeased the Engineers, what if these Cultures had reacted to their Emissaries well. 

This could explain the FEW Starmaps post 2000 years ago.

So i would suspect there was not ONE Emissary but a number of them sent down to various cultures."

Dr. Shaw's notes from her and Dr. Holloway's studies seems to cite many "Emissaries" embedded in different cultures.

Yes, Cerulean Blue, there has to have been an "event" that wiped the Engineers from Earth and some of the associated human cultures/population away as well.

cuponator3000 I can attest to Ridley's commentary track and the cockroaches, I believe it was during the Covenant climax fight. At this point I believe Ridley considers all the films canon and Aliens more so, so the hive thing is still intact. The motes even produce tiny insects, the shock troops, that infect hosts in Covenant.

cuponator3000 I commend your decision to go with the Resurrection crew :) They're not a bad choice imo as they are hardened mercenaries with a variety of skills such Kristie's leadership and Revolver Ocelot-esque ricochet shots. I love the choices (except maybe Dallas and Kane lol) but Daniels is hot af and I'd prefer to partner with a badass like her :P

Walter, they are better than just insects, but even Ridley compares them to cockroaches. It was on the A:C commentary. I think it was when he mentioned the Xeno could regrow limbs and what not. He referenced cockroaches because they can, like, live without heads and survive nuclear blasts and what not. I think he also compared their aesthetic to a cockraoch a little bit (he said big, beautiful cockroaches I think. Not sure.)

I know what you meant, but the insect comparison will always be relevant, I tihnk. 

Back to the topic though. Lawrence of Arabia, I was going to choose them, but I didn't want to pick the newest pair lol. A good choice either way!

Hive?Forget 1,6,7.Different universe.

Xenomorphs are not insects

Wow, Cerulean Blue, thank you for the kind words. I figured others would enjoy some of the topics if they were half as obsessed as myself. 

BigDave, I think that device on the cathedral dome was intended to be a solar collector. In the leaked script draft Daniels notices it has solar energy panels and asks David if he has power. David says it only gave him some erratic power, but he has tried to keep it going.

The two satellites in the script draft were what generated the energy field/quarantine shield. That is in the ionosphere, so it can't be the same thing we see in the sky over the Engineer city.

Hatton and Hallet talk about it like it IS the same as the satellite shield, so it must have been written differently in the draft of the script they had. The script we have makes no mention of the urns breaking on a shield in the sky. They just drop to the ground and break open.

" Question now would be is it a Viral/Pathogen, a Mutagen, or a Parasite?  I would say it has all 3 Elements."

A mutagen is something that causes changes in genetic material. Mutagens that cause diseases viruses are pathogens, which are parasites, so it is all three.

Great point regarding Dr. Shaw's reward for her time with David 8 VivisectedEngineer. I'm an android relationship optimist.

I just feel like I would be able to redirect some of that energy into something more towards my interests at the expense of the Engineers. We could also ride mountain bikes throughout the spaceship, watch movies, and have language studies. I would feel really good about myself if I was able to beat David 8 at darts.

@Ingeniero - Thank-you for the excellent posts you do!

Thank you IRaptus and BigDave. I first thought Daniels had hit some kind of fluid line firing a machine gun into the bottom of the ship. 

@Ingeniero - Does the Scorpion/Docking Ship not appear to still be hovering & not on the ground?  If it is in fact still hovering, it would be interesting to find out how it is doing it?  It may actually be unmanned & fully automated?

Thank you for the compliment Cerulean Blue. I felt the same way until Ati guided my steps with the sequence of images above.

The camera angle seems stationary with the ship flying toward it with an Engineer in the mountain and when the ship flies by up towards the clouds the angle turns to see another Engineer face.

I'll lighten up the images Ati caught for me. Thank you for your patience Ati.

The sacrificial Engineer comparison.

You are able to see the ship in the valley in the above image daliens (pretty great). I also noticed the "spoke" like structures (above sacrificial Engineer) on the mountain behind the city similar to the temple structures under the dome as well (thanks again Ati for source images).

Walter!

The madman, David-8. Ash is deceptive but the execution could be better lol David not only deceived the Prometheus crew, he deceived the Covenant crew, destroyed the Engineers on their home planet, and created the Xenomorph variant.

@Ingeniero - To me it looks like there is only one face, as the lander in approaching the camera, the face is on the left & to the right of the lander.  As the lander is passing the camera & heading away from us, or the camera view, the face is now at the right of the screen & still to the right of the lander.  The lander is heading out of the shot with the engines flaming towards us as it exits the scene.  Let me know if I am missing something in these shots, as it is hard to see totally clearly in the dark-ish screen grabs on my computer?  I do think the face is of some type of heraldry/worship in significance to the inhabitants?  Good stuff!!

Daniels & (Tee) Simply because Daniels is a badass and there's nothing like watching the back of a beautiful woman ;)

Thank you and welcome chli. Great image of the group of Engineer elders departing from the sacrificial Engineer.

I think you may have nailed it BigDave with the side to side comparisons. Thank you. I used the topic image (your bottom example) in a wide comparison. Pretty good resemblance. 

I'll do another comparison to an enhanced image of the second Engineer face in the mountain (thank you Ati).

IMHO - To James Cameron, Thank-You very much for not making AC, or for that matter, screwing up any other movie in the Alien World!  JUST SAY NO TO ANOTHER ALIEN QUEEN!!!!  ;)

It's a viral pathogenic mutagen, which causes parasites to happen.

chli

Answers to your points :-

1) I thought this notion that Fox was reconsidering its position and the vibe on the net was fragmented was genuine. I therefore respond to the notion of why, with the particular narrative that my view comes from. 

2) A L I E N was clearly a horror and gore movie. Prometheus on the other hand was much more about ideas and retribution if you meddle, it had a sub text. 

3)Spaihts draft and what happened to it is at the core of the issue here. Someone offers an entertaining script which lead directly to the Jockey incident and its considered to "obvious" scale back the Xeno's make more of the Engineers.  

So once again we come back to a franchise predicated on horror, gore and monsters and Ridley trying to give it some real contextual meaning and not just going with it. John Logan gives us a fantastically simple and well communicated idea in this. 

"Is that what I mean? ... The wonder
of it is this: they created us and
we created myths about them. We
made them into Gods. Then we felt
the need to create the idea of the
soul, so we could be somehow worthy
of them. But they didn’t care about
any of that. They just wanted to
build something, something
efficient and useful, a good
machine".

And its not in the movie !! and to say this is vague is projection its not vague at all its clear as day but for Shaw and David on either end of this debate not to discuss this and not to let it be the beginning of her end .. is a wasted opportunity because we need the third act with yawn - the burster to - blown into space.

So I see this constant push and pull between a thinking persons movie which deals with retribution and punishment and an action horror gore movie end of. 

And because I do not want to repeat myself I think right now I have nothing new to say so will leave it at that.

And...WTH can they not release an English novelization? Again, defying logic.

Dang, the movie should've ended that way. The edits and screenwriting simply did not work as well as it should've. Same for A:C.

Indeed there is a likeness

Interesting notes about the Shield... so this could very well be the case, and i guess it would maybe give us a reason for why the Cathedral Dome has those Devices on top?  I assumed prior to AC that they was some kind of Device that left of a Energy Weapon that simply killed off all Life in the Plaza to Prevent the Black Goo Spreading and so would answer why the Bodies are like Mummified and we dont see any Engineers suffering the effects as shown in Prometheus.

Maybe instead this Technology is what produces the Shield?  The draft mentions like Satellites well something in Space, but we clearly dont see any proof of this in Alien Covenant.

Then again it could be just some kind of Solar Panel to produce Energy needed for the City.

As far as the Black Goo, it can appear at bit confusing and i still stand by that if we look at it as intended by Jon Spaights, then its straight forwards and fits with the whole Engineers Purpose which is Genetic Engineering.

The Sacrificial Goo is thus a Creation Tool, the Question now would be is it a Viral/Pathogen, a Mutagen, or a Parasite?  I would say it has all 3 Elements.

Interesting read and thanks for sharing...  i am not 100% sure its the kind of extra detail i would have liked to had seen in the movie however..  maybe not all of it

Nice Captures

David, most definitely David. 

Seriously!

Perhaps some likeness?