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dk "Perhaps if we give kindness, we shall receive kindness."

That's dark lol

"Do we really want androids who think outside the box? Isn't that how we wound up with David?"

Perhaps if we give kindness, we shall receive kindness.

:D

There is no cut in the scene, it is impossible that we see the same face.

11 images of the scene:

Nice! great little extra insight there

VivisectedEngineer It is a balance of skill and patience when an omelette becomes scrambled eggs. LOL!

I would trust Walter since he would learn as he went along with actual real world experience whereas David was born with everything including PW's ego. I like to think of Walter as being similar to Data- trying to understand and apply nuances of humanity instead of coming out of the gate feeling superior.

AND...

@dk

"........or were you referring to making omelettes vs scrambled eggs?"

I was referring to the Nietzsche, lol. Though, as I'm a vegan, I see how my comment could have gone either way.  

@dk

"I can admire your cruelty."

^-^ Thanks!

"It is essentially a story of always striving for perfection knowing it is ultimately impossible."

Well...for a human, yes. ...Do we really want androids who think outside the box? Isn't that how we wound up with David? lol.

VivisectedEngineer 

You are stuck with Ash. You have my sympathies.

I can admire your cruelty. It is after all your thread!

The Overman is a pretty cool read and could possibly allow Walter to think outside the box. It is essentially a story of always striving for perfection knowing it is ultimately impossible.

........or were you referring to making omelettes vs scrambled eggs?

@dk

That...sounds like a dangerous topic to discuss with a synthetic. Maybe don't put such ideas in his head?

@Lawrence of Arabia

My car was totaled recently. It's name was Lucky (my husband and I both tend to get emotionally attached to machines). My husband took me to the tow-yard and gave me a moment alone to say good-bye to it - it had been my first and only car and it had gotten me through a lot, so it was a very sentimental moment.

As I bid Lucky adieu, Bishop's ultimate fate popped into my head, and I realized I wasn't actually crying over Lucky at all, I was crying over Bishop. ...Which is ridiculous. But, I named my new car Bishop. 

@BigDave 

You are stuck with Ash. You have my sympathies. :)

As we await the decision, Walter and I are off to discuss Nietzsche's Overman while I learn the finer points of making an omelette vs scrambled eggs. Tah tah! 

Are there two faces shown at the same time or different angles of the same fly by?

Here are the two shots that you provided from above Ati.

If BigDave doesn't choose, he's stuck with Ash!

Thanks for sharing- that was beautiful! Up voted!

OK, another obsrvation about the black stuff.

In Prometheus we see it leak from some of the urns when the air is disturbed after 2000 years. David's sees the stuff is moving on top of the urn, forming into blob shapes. Just before David bags an urn to take back to the ship the black stuff is jumping off the top of the urn into the air, going crazy. Whatever it was doing, it seems to be able to move and shape change without needing any animal tissue to infect and mutate.

In the bombing scene the little black particles are swarming through the air in all directions before they even get to the Engineers. How? They have not infected the tissue of any animal to transmute into a flying organism, so how are they flying? Did they form into a flying or flapping shapes to move through the air?

This description of the motes got me thinking of this.

"Ever changing it its form--lurching and stabbing into new shapes - oily black and beautiful"

That is exactly how I would describe the goo on top of the Urn David was looking at.

OK BigDave. You have spent 15 years training for a WY mission and the final task is to choose a synth to accompany you on the mission per WY Regulations. You have read the resumes and are at the 30 second window from departure. Failure to choose disqualifies you from the mission. Which android will you choose? tic toc tic toc lol! 

BigDave, the resemblance to Mike Tyson is uncanny. That's funny.

Ati, that's awesome. I'll enhance the images in a little while and get that second face. Thank you again. I guess the evidence leans toward the elders etched into the mountain. I remember the discussion a while back on the topic but I wasn't sure if the sacrificial Engineer was discussed.

That's what I thought as well dk. 

VivisectedEngineer

That's what I like about the Alien universe though, it's so nihilistic, everything is meaningless in the black void of space. I did love Bishop :(

I wish we had a Prometheus novel here in the states lol

@Lawrence of Arabia

Agreed! I do want Newt to be ok, though. If only because Bishop went to all that trouble of saving her despite clearly being in so much pain.

I would really hate for his efforts to be wasted. I feel like his sense of guilt and uselessness over his failure may have contributed to his feelings of resignation to non-existence.

Now that's a great ending.

Glad to have some form of closure to the David experimenting on Holloway and Shaw never knowing thing. You could tell she had an inkling in the film but she never got her answers, which is bleak and I like it that way but to read it was nice :) Also love David's response “…Perhaps… it was… simply… because they could.” echoing Holloway's statement. David does alot of stuff because simply he can lol

@Ingeniero

Yes, that was pretty cunning of David to downplay his drawing skills for Shaw!

Ok, I found a couple of pictures of David8 for you!

Here's one where he's feeling quite hopeful about his new found friendship with his Engineer pal!

Here's one where he fears Shaw is dead so he contemplates the very real possibility that he will therefore have to spend the remainder of his existence as a severed head in a dreary cave, and will never ever get to watch Lawrence of Arabia nor read Ozymandias again.

:)

I would like to see a remake with all the characters played by cats. Lego cats.

Reminds me a bit of Mt Rushmore.

Thombach

Both sides are wrong!

Abe Lincoln? I hope it's not a confederate soldier statue!

I was actually quite sad for Bishop more than I was for Newts and even less so for Hicks. Bishop was my favorite character in Aliens, he was just a great guy. Like Walter :) Whenever I see people upset about their fates I see stuff like "My Newt and Hicks!1!1" and I'm over here "What about Bishop?!?!?" lol

VivisectedEngineer & dk

I kid lol I'm just messing around cuz it is a theory floating out there :P I assumed it was the Queen anyway as a final precaution. Or maybe Bishop made you think he was preparing a ship! WOOOOOOOOOO!

I own and have watched AC and all the special features. The cut scenes and The Crossing and Advent should have been in the movies, including the last supper. With all this it has bcome clear to me that this movie is a superior movie than even Prometheus, and I love Prometheus. Another thing I have noticed is that in 5 years Prometheus doesn't look dated. The same thing cant and couldn't be said 5 years after Aliens. I do think that maybe Ridley is trying not to make a movie about another "Ripley" character, which is why the sequels to Alien were tired.

...and:

OK- BigDave strikes me as a Walter kind of guy.

Ingeniero - Two faces can be seen in the mountain. There is no cut in the scene, the lifter is passing two Engineer faces.

DK

Indeed that was a Plot Device as a way they could bring in the Xenomorph back for a 3rd movie, after they must have assumed that LV-426 as far as Hadleys Hope and the Derelict are No More..

I think its something that could have been thought out more, but hey we get this a lot with the Franchise.  And the Good thing with Potential Plot Holes is the debates they can lead us to..

The whole Bishop being undercover, and what if their was a second secret Synthetic and Mission on the Sulaco etc are some of the interesting debates had here over the years.

Alien Covenant however has maybe given some clues to explain this, if we now Assume Eggs can Start as Small and then will Grow until they reach a right size.  So the reasons for why David has those Tiny Face Huggers, could also be used to suggest the Queen could still have a few New/Fresh Small Eggs that the  Queen Planted on the Sulaco, that simply Grew.

Yes, dk , Bishop was definitely good people.

Also, Alien 3 was actually just a nightmare with a really good plot (who doesn't love to have one of those, once in a while?).

Actually, Bishop is fine, he got repaired and he's top of the line again. No one can tell me differently.

*covers ears* LA LA LA! BISHOP IS JUST FINE! LA LA LA!

Lawrence of Arabia Could be. He didn't look too happy about it.

And your choice is......................?

Oh- you can also always trust a Working Joe!