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Slightly off topic, but I find it interesting how that script has the xenomorph eggs coming from those fungal egg sacs. David specifically says he nurtured them, somehow adding different DNA to them, to create the xenomorph eggs.
I don't see how this can be canon. In the "Advent" material, David says that the local life forms didn't prove to be "very fruitful" in creating his "Wolf" (the Xenomorph). Then he says that he used Shaw as the main source for the xenomorph, while "tweaking" her mutated DNA, showing that he used various neomorph's DNA in this tweak, possibly using black goo as a catalyst.
The differences from this script are very interesting, in this and other areas.
Thanks, Ati!
Interesting that David used Holloway as a guinea-pig in order to find a way to prolong Sir Peter Weyland's life (and that Sir Peter knew about it and approved it). Therefore, David just followed the orders of his maker. He was made to serve . . .
@ Kethol
Correct, by "later stages" it means later effects within the victim. The goo causes a life form to spawn parasites, tiny insects in the mold's case, which then infect another host, creating our friend the neomorph.
@ Thombach, Blu-ray, standard HD TV. I don't think there's anything more to this scene really. Just drops of black goo falling and hitting.
Drop a bucket of water from the top of a skyscraper...it won't fall straight down, some will blow back up slightly. *Shrugs* maybe our eyes see different things in the same movie.
Ingeniero nice captures! that is a rapid moving scene.
A much darker yellow-orange than the Xeno's of old
For me long haired David looked more akin to Iggy Pop than Kobain, but every one to his own.
VivisectedEngineer solid!! You know Hicks will always have your back. His quiet confidence and level-head would keep you calm and re-assured during a firefight. A true leader to follow to hell and back.
cuponator3000 great choice! Both of them are bad-ass and good in a firefight. Fearless and barn-storming you know they have the balls to waltz on into a xeno alive and make it back out alive again. They both showed tactical awareness and adaptability
Sorry you all, but this was a pretty low budget movie. It was not produced by Netflix, they only stepped in as distributor in countries where was not already bought for cinema shows.
It was almost entirely filmed in Bucharest (with a few scene in the port of Constanta), Romania. I was very interesting how even communist buildings were made "dystonian" using cgi. The vehicles and equipment looked not very convincing but i get the budget limitations. Do you know how many cheap action movies are produced in my country? Many pieces of s*** with undeads like Van Dame, Seagal or the like. For example http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5470222/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_5
And I bet Rapace was cheaper to hire than Close and Defoe (combined). Further more she appeared in The Rupture, which for all intents and proposes was a straight to video movie. And the script writers were, sorry for hurting any one, more or less amateurs.
It was very ironic from someone in Romania where abortions were illegal (and were done illegally in shitty conditions) in the '70s and '80s to see that after 100 years births would be done in the same conditions. Ok that was not intentional and this takes place in an unspecified future.
I was found ironic that in this one that did not kill the Cooper haired one.
Taking all of this into account for me this was a solid 4 out of 5
And as somebody noticed some time ago, the docking ship crash landed on the valley beyond the engineers 'city. It can be seen in one of Ati's screenshots.
The reasons you saw weaknesses were where I saw strengths. It is an overcrowded dystopian world. Overpopulation was shown and it is tough to have a futuristic or modern infrastructure when the populace is struggling to feed itself and survive imo.
If not seen, I would respectfully recommend 1984, Equilibrium and Soilent Green
Regular Parrot, welcome back :)
Your post reminded me of something someone said somewhere in the forum recently which was basically:
Ridley and the writers took a pretty big risk having the villain win outright. Once David was revealed to the crew for the first time, everything went downhill and never came back up.
In America, for example, we like our happy endings! Not everyone per say, but that is how the statstics have pointed throughout film history they continue to do so. In a film analysis class last year we watched a film (I can't remember the name unfortunately. It's pretty well-known, although old) and the heroes died and evil won out! We were all devastated (it was an intense story and a tough note to end on). The Professor said, "Well, it's French."
I am pretty sure most countries that these tentpole films release in prefer the happier endings too, so yeah. It's a risk on the creative teams' part, but one I enjoy and respect!
Thombach, I thought the same thing when I saw that description of the mote from the script. The shape-change thing must have been an early idea of what they were supposed to look like.
The fact that the pathogen alone was able to move and form rough shapes on top of the leaking urns in Prometheus does give some clue as to how the black particles are able to fly and swarm in the Covenant urn-drop scene. They move incredibly fast though. It was like a swarm of locusts or bees they way they were attacking and coating the Engineers in a few of those shots.
David also says the later stages of the pathogen produced the insects, so the swarming things were definitely not those. I know you did not say that. Just pointing it out. "The original black liquid turned to lethal particles when exposed to air. Later stages produced parasites and invasive insects. From their eggs came, well..."
dk, whoop there it is!
One thing I noticed about this film is that the locations and sets were boring. I forget what year it is set in, but it seems pretty far into the future do to some of the technology, but it looks as if it is all present day locations. It doesn't have to be friggin Bladerunner desgin wise, but come on, man! Maybe that comes with limited special effetcs budgets (building a city digitally, or changing it, is expensive) AND I suppose the goal was to show that the planet was just packed FULL, so there wasn't room to futurize everything. Either way, I think it hurt the movie.
With everything in mind, I would say 2.5/5 for me. The high points being Noomi Rapace, the concept (although it isn't realized fully), and soem good action pieces.
I am going to go a little wild and choose Johner and Kristie! Kristie is badass as a second or third in command, but takes control of situations well while still playing nice with others! Plus, he seems pretty damn loyal.
Johner is a DICK... But he is a certified badass who isn't really afraid to actually take anything on. He voices plenty of concern, but he will still fight.
Not sure who the sidekick is in this scenario... Kristie since he is listed second? I think of him as the leader in that pair, so I am making an executive decision and will make my myself Johner, the wingman!
Good question! David certainly comes across as pretty smart...I mean...he did all that genetic engineering and all. Plus, he quotes poetry all the time...that comes across as pretty intellectual.
But, I'm not convinced that the other synths aren't equally smart and just less show-offy about it.
Plus, it's really hard to define intelligence. Walter is not designed to be creative, and creativity can be considered part of intelligence.
David's emotional intelligence may be pretty low, because he doesn't seem to have a well developed capacity for empathy or impulse control.
Bishop recognized and admired the complexity of the xenomorph when he studied it, so I think his level of scientific understanding is likely similar to David's.
Plus he clearly has a higher emotional intelligence, and he's demonstrated a capacity for creative thinking (volunteering to crawl through the pipe and remote pilot the ship).
Also, when Walter and David got injured, they didn't have much of a reaction. Whereas Bishop's natural reaction to injury seems more conducive to survival overall, and how can we define intelligence if not as "possessing the skills necessary to survive"?
Bishop is definitely the most intelligent.
David.
Ash was just a dick. he didn't play well with others, and did he actually achieve anything at all?? If he did he kept it to himself, didn't save him.
David might be nuts, but at least he got things done.
Lol, wasn't he though?
Ripley: "Ash, that transmission, MOTHER's deciphered part of it. It doesn't look like an S.O.S."
Ash: "What is it, then?"
Ripley: "Well, it looks like a warning. I'm gonna go out after them."
Ash (sounding annoyed and unsympathetic): "What's the point? I mean, by the, the time it takes to get there, you'll...they'll know if it's a warning or not, yes?"
Also, I like how synthetics have a habit of adding "Yes?" for confirmation at the end of a sentence, and Walter has the same idiosyncrasy.
Well, Dr. Shaw was kind and respectful towards David the entire time, and look where that got her.
>He became a humble robot and asked for help from Dr. Shaw.
Too bad his humility didn't last, lol!
But, then again, he never did get to indulge in any of his hobbies again because he had to chauffeur Dr. Shaw on her fanatical wild-goose chase, so maybe that ticked him off a bit.
Great topic IRaptus !
Well, my first instinct is to choose Tennessee, because he actually survives. ...At least...until the end of the movie. With David in control of things, his fate is a little up in the air. But, his spouse dies, so that's gonna have to be a no-go for me.
I could probably pretty seamlessly replace Hudson because if I were in a situation like that IRL, I'd be panicking the entire time exactly like him. Plus, I get to meet Bishop, and that's cool. So, yeah, I'll be Hudson.
Hi All. It has been about 4 months since I last posted. I went to see AC six times at the cinema. I loved it each and every time.
I am so happy that folks got the Hannibal Lecter feel when David said " well, well, well. All good souls I'm sure": or something like that.
I got that on the nose the first time I saw it. From that point in the movie it was a grand opera of David's monstrous intent and delightful evil creations. His promenade down the lines of the innocent at the end of the movie was pure drama as one thought of what he will do to each one of them.
dk Dillon was a tank. Powerhouse brute-force brawler. Never a backwards step. If he had some decent hardware besides a fire-ax he would've been hard to stop I imagine.
Sadly we didn't get to see enough of Janek in action, he would've been a close second.
It'll be interesting to see Daniels develop (providing she isn't cast off like Shaw) in the next film. She has some fire about her, and nothing to lose now
Thank you for that Thombach.
I believe the dirty look Jonesy gave the xenomorph was why it chose Brett over a kitty.
Jonesy really could be a great lead. We may never know how mean Jonesy's face was in the above photo.
I don't want to be insensitive here but I believe Jonesy on black goo could be it's own trilogy.
Hmm.....I agree with Dillon- he had nothing to lose and had an interesting ethical code and leadership style when it mattered although Daniels was pretty bad ass too.
A detail shot from inside the Engineer helmet.
So very good Ati...I wonder if that is the only two now.
Thank you for the images. Great sequence, a gift.
Thank you so much for this Ati.
“…Perhaps… it was… simply… because they could.” David expression softened as he spoke."
IRAPTUS - Thank you! Do not worry - Hicks can have the lead with me any time! :)
Something Real Alright, just for you lol
I deliberately left Ripley out as a leader to follow in the interest of debate and fun. We'd likely all pick her if she was a choice lol
I'm with Cosmonaut-Copper in choosing David 8.
I know I would be taking a chance on longevity but he has so much more to offer than the others. Yes, I would pour my own tea as well and be extremely respectful to David 8 at the pool table.
I would try to steer David 8 politically in order to just wipe out arrogant alien humanoids and leave the humans alone. And I would gladly go on movie binges with him and not laugh at him while he is playing with his hair.
IRAPTUS - Oh, bloody oath! I forgot that part! Can I PLEASE be Ripley instead? Pretty please? :)
Ingeniero thank you kindly.
lol yes Dillon's speech would psyche up anyone into following him
Something Real remember you are Hudson though ;)
Hicks & (Hudson) for me is a first pick. Tough choice. The reason why is they were professional soldiers with really great weaponry.
Dillon & (Morse) is great to argue for first because Dillon gave the greatest speech in righteous anger in the cafeteria and most likely would have talked me into following him after that.
Really great topic IRaptus.
INGENIERO - Indeed! :)
Oh, gosh! Please forgive my duplicate post! :(
That is great Something Real.
Thank you so much VivisectedEngineer!
I love them both but the gif on the bottom is priceless. He became a humble robot and asked for help from Dr. Shaw.
