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Xenotaris, unfortunately for David's disciples, it seems you are right, the new film is allegedly not connecte to the previous ones. 

According toTHR, 

"Álvarez’s take is being kept deep inside the studio’s chest cavity, but sources describe it as unconnected to the previous movies.

According to sources, Álvarez is a rabid fan of the franchise and casually pitched a take to Scott many years ago. The idea remained implanted in Scott’s brain until late last year, when he called Álvarez out of the blue and asked him if he was still up for it. Álvarez didn’t have to be asked twice."

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I don't think they are continuing David's story, sounds more like a soft reboot of sorts or rather an interquel that focuses on a new characters. I hopefully around the 2180's

Xenomorphs without David = no fun.

Ughh, Fast Pacedness is the bane of horror. I mean even James Cameron's Aliens was slow in the beginning

Great news! I hope to see more of David.

And I also hope it will be set in space, not on earth.

I get the feeling thanks to Disney this will be a more straight forward Alien movie especially considering Alvarez's body of work. Evil Dead is a fast paced horror movie and Don't Breathe is a fast paced thriller. Even the recent Texas Chainsaw Massacre he produced was fast paced and straight forward.

As long as they don't radically change the lore, then it will be fine. I love the Queen and the hybridization aspects of the creature from previous films

Agreed. I really hope we see the inclusion and exploration of the Engineers again, but part of me thinks we'll be moving away from that angle with this new standalone film... 

Fear of the unknown is probably a big reason why it works, or worked. The more you know about it the less terrifying it gets, unfortunately by giving it a background the prequels made it a disservice. Maybe Alien Covenant made the lore worse by implying that David made it. It makes it less alien than to make the Engineers responsible.  

You could say that Alien R and the AVP's made the monsters less scary, but the prequels are official (AR can be seen as a joke, maybe), that's worse even though they're better as movies. Perhaps you could bring back the terror of the Xenomorph in some way and undo the problems of the prequels, but I'm not sure how.

They can have some about androids, but that shouldn't be the main-focus. Give me something about the Engineers. Even though the prequels included many disappointments, at least they gave us the Engineers.

As well as Blade Runner. I want to say Outland too

It's good to se that it won't be a David-adventure. Get someone that can write characters and focus on the humans (capital H). Please give me more about the Engineers in some way

Hulu? I don't have it so I won't be able to watch

Both Alien and Star Wars? He did a good job it seems

I agree. I'm sad David seems to be abandoned. Regardless of the flaws with the prequels, I'm a big fan of David 8 and wanted to see his story concluded. Though I will I'm happy it's a stand alone story and not a nostalgia bait sequel that brings Ripley back just because money.

Been very busy tonight finally got this news front paged! I'm sad it won't continue on from Covenant... but I am curious about how they plan to approach this standalone film.

I remain cautiously optimistic until further news is shed on the project

Rest in peace, buddy. Thank you for green lighting two of the best Sci-Fi movies ever made.

Ah, I am half way through ALIENS Novelization. So I will download these scripts tonight

"I disagree, for example: why is it that we make the same mistakes again and again when we should have learned by now? This is one of the things that seems to be brought up in the franchise, I find that to be interesting. You could say it's because humans are flawed, too much corporate power, or what ever. It makes for some exciting discussion, but then you got to have it about the human condition, otherwise it might be difficult for some to relate. "

I hate the human condition, its so human-centric. Animals make mistakes too, all life makes mistakes, humans are just so blindly arrogant that they think they are special but really we are not. The only thing humans did differently than our fellow animals is achieve space travel. Lifeforms can talk, lifeforms wage war, lifeforms can build structures. 

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You know I figured when I got notified for this it was more than likely a spammer. It seems I was correct 

looks interesting, don't forget to share it when it's finished

cool I'll listen to it right away, thank you!

Speaking of shadows, one of the creepiest (and perfectly executed) shots is where the alien creeps up behind Lambert as she's unloading bottles of coolant, and you see its other-worldly silhouette projected onto her. Utterly scary, since you can see the beast's deadly intention unfolding before your eyes. And, yet, you still truly don't know what it looks like.

A few moments later we see it in its full glory as it dispatches Parker and then slowly advances on the stricken Lambert.

Perfectly done.

“Humans are boring, every story like ever is about the human journey. I really like ALIEN and ALIENS, they are my favorite alien movies, but I would like if an ALIEN movie or rather an AVP movie (the previous AVP movies were massive heaps of disappointment, although I liked aspects of Requiem) focus on a Yautja or Engineer protagonist instead of a human one.”

I disagree, for example: why is it that we make the same mistakes again and again when we should have learned by now? This is one of the things that seems to be brought up in the franchise, I find that to be interesting. You could say it's because humans are flawed, too much corporate power, or what ever. It makes for some exciting discussion, but then you got to have it about the human condition, otherwise it might be difficult for some to relate. 

Alien 3 is my favorite, I like how it's bleak in its tone, although I like Alien and Aliens too. AVP was alright as entertainment, although AVPR is massive crap. I’ve watched AVPR twice, but I doubt that I'll do so again. 

“I think that Humans are Interesting as they are Characters we can CONNECT with more than say ALIEN Races or A.I/Robots..…"

 This sums up my attitude towards it 

The Main Reason is that with ALIEN and IF this was the FIRST of the Series you saw.... then it was our FIRST encounter with the Cosmic Horror.

The Xenomorph is a KILLING MACHINE... once you have seen the Gruesome Life-Cycle a number of Times then after you have seen Xenomorphs over and over then they BECOME something thats NOT that Scary!

Unless you are Easily Scared and Especially by Gore.

i have said the Xenomorph is kinda like a Friday the 13th in Space.... you see JASON was a Killing Machine.. you could NOT try and Reason with him.... he was a Silent Killing Machine.... like the Xenomorph.

Yes Aesthetically the Xenomorph is more Horrific, and YES you have the Brutal Life Cycle... but JASON can KILL you in a all Manner of Ways.... the Xenomorph is Teeth, Claws and Tail.

What i am saying is that JASON was Scary.. but after a Number of Movies then HE LOSES that Horror!  It then becomes a Case of having Great Characters we CARE about who we FEAR for their Lives to PULL OFF a Friday 13th Movie and some of the had FAILED with this and they was well... NOT GOOD...  The Same thing can Happen with the Xenomorph and we ONLY have to go look at AVPR as a Example.

I just DONT think you will EVER go and Replicate the Effect that ALIEN had.... Unless say you watched ALIEN 3 First...

So EVEN if we get a NEW MOVIE/TV SHOW that tries to BRING the Horror of ALIEN... it will ONLY work... IF this New Project is the ONLY one you have seen...  If you watch the others Prior then you would become Accustomed to the Xenomorph and it would NOT be that Scary anymore.

Certainly what made ALIEN so Special was a Number of Factors, these Applied more if you watched it for the First Time in 1979-1989

*We had NEVER seen any ALIEN Lifeform Quite like the Xenomorph, and its Life-Cycle, the First Time you see its kinda Unique (Especially if you saw it in the 80's or at Release.

*The Face Hugger was a Jump-Scare Moment but Nasty but the Chest Buster Scene was Graphic and Bloody for the First Time you ever saw it.

But the MOST effective Reason why it was a HORROR was due to how you DONT see the Xenomorph much until its TOO LATE... the keeping it to the Shadows is what WORKED and Especially on a Confined Ship.

But Bigger than that was that you had a Handful of Humans who had to DEAL with this Deadly Alien Life-Form and they HAD NO MEANS to Really Defend themselves... so when combined with the Claustrophobic Environment and Darkness and HOW WELL the Characters were made for a TENSE Movie and its that sense of TENSION that made the Movie Stand Out.

ALIEN 3 was similar.... for similar Reasons....

The other Movies including the AVP Movies where NOT SO MUCH.... well NOT at all really for the Following Reasons.

*The Humans were better Experienced/Equipped to Deal with the Xenomorph (or there was another Aspect to deal with them.. i.e Predators).

*We had seen the Xenomorph over and over and so the Shock/Horror Value had worn out (does not apply so much to ALIENS).

So what i am saying is if we look at say a LION they are Dangerous, a Typical Human would NOT go and Survive a Attack with a LION if they was Unarmed and say the LION had intended to KILL.

Lets say you have a LION that has Rabies... thats going to be Scary to Deal with!

Now Imagine you have a Handful of Humans who have LOCKED themselves in a Super Market/Shopping Mall to Escape but the LION or say a PAIR get inside and the Humans have NO ESCAPE for some Reason (Exits become Blocked) and well the Humans have NO weapons...

This would make for a Scary and Tense Survival Encounter.. the Lions with their Superior Speed and Power and Senses (Smell) could HUNT the Humans... imagine being Stalked/Hunted through the Aisles of a Super Market!

Now Imagine if its NIGHT and the LIGHTS FAIL!  Another Advantage to the LIONS and well if this was a Movie then the Dark Scenes will add to the Tension.

Now lets CHANGE the Plot a Little... a Small Platoon of say 5 Military Guys Turn up with all sorts of Guns, Stun Grenades, Night Vision Googles.... then it becomes LESS SCARY as its less TENSE..

Now if the Setting was in the OPEN... outside with Military Types and in the DAY then it would be LESS of a Horror as the Humans would Dispatch the LION with Ease.. compared to the First Scenario.

So THIS is what made ALIEN be so much more of a Horror than the other Movies (Alien 3 a Exception to a Degree).

ALIENS had some Aspect of this due to some of the Dark Areas and Confined Areas... but a Marines vs Xenomorphs in a OPEN SPACE would not be Horrific well only as FAR as say a Star Ship Troopers is.

AVP could have been more Horror than ALIENS and ALIEN R etc if say the Predators were taken out of the Equation... the Traps and Confines of the  Pyramid would make a Tense Survival for the Humans.

Those Images if you Enlarge or Download them have the Relevant Parts in regards to WHERE could ADF had drawn any Conclusion to the Xenomorph just being Found by David on Planet 4.  If you Download the Drafts then its Pages 36-40 and 80-82 Mark that you would get to those Scenes.

I get what your saying and it does seem a BIT of a Cliche that WHEN we have ALIEN RACES in Sci-Fi they can appear to be TOO HUMAN and we also can Speak English to them etc lol

I think when looking at a Franchise and Explore the Universe it can be Different from Franchise to Franchise, we have some Movies where our ALIENS are TOTALLY different..... WAR OF THE WORLDS for a Example... I think the PROBLEM when you Explore Races that are FAR from HUMAN and have NO MEANS to Communicate with us..... your going to NEED some Humans who are Under Threat as our Proxy... a Movie with NO HUMAN or HUMAN looking Races that ONLY has like Very ALIEN looking ones i just CANT see working.

Independence Day Aliens VS War of the Worlds for a Example... Especially if there are NO HUMANS in it.

I think that YES there is in Reality the Potential for other Intelligent LIFE in the Universe but i think its Crazy to ASSUME they would be anywhere NEAR like Human or Humanoid....  The ALIEN Franchise can GET AWAY with this via the Engineers Plot as a Ancient Humanoid Race.... that SURELY have Seeded Many Worlds and so the Potential is there for other Worlds to be kind of Human, but have some Differences.

I think another MAJOR Problem with NONE-HUMANOID looking ALIENS who we cant Communicate with would be that IF they are WAY WAY more Advanced then this does-not SPELL too well for Mankind.....

The Xenomorphs are NOT too Human looking, but with them they are NOT a Massive Threat unless you OBTAIN a Xenomorph or some other way they END UP on a Ship etc..... I dont think it would be WISE to have the Xenomorphs being able to Create Ships and Traverse the Cosmos we would get like a STARSHIP TROOPERS with Xenomorphs.... it would be a BIT LIKE the Warhammer 40K Tyranids.

I think in Context to the Franchise... its a Question of do you NOT go and introduce too many Alien Species, do you LIMIT it to what we already have?

Looking at the Movies we have indications that as well as Humans, and Robots we have Human looking Synthetics.... but as FAR as ALIENS we have Xenomorphs, the Space Jockey and.... Arcturians (we have not seen what they look like).  The Space Jockey looked a bit ALIEN if we assumed it was a Skeleton but what we have is the Human looking Engineers.

But i think i know what you MEAN... in that we should have Humanoid Aliens who are NOT too Human and the Yautja are Humanoids who are NOT that Human looking, and so YES i think you could have Various Races who look LESS HUMAN than we do.  Like you have the Prawns from District 9.

But who is to say ALIEN Species would FIT that Humanoid 2 Arms, Torso, 2 Legs and a Head Anatomy?

" they have some freaky powers (either physical or mental)"

Yeah like they Belong to some MARVEL Super Hero Flick ;) lets HOPE the TV Series does-not do this with the Meta-Humans!

Cool, I'll have to check them out

I would rather that HUMANS only homeworld should be Earth, the idea of HUMANS transplanted across the galaxy reminds me too much of STARGATE.

Me personally, I just want a species of sapient aliens that look closer to a yautja than a human. I am just tired of human aliens. I want Birdman aliens, I want batman aliens, I want sapient space whales, I want sapient colonies of worms, I want lizardmen, etc.. Basically I want more Mass Effect aliens and less Star Trek TOS/Comic Book/Generic Sci-fi TV show aliens.

Now I don't mind rubber foreheaded aliens or humanoid aliens, but carbon copy human aliens I just loathe because the only thing that makes them alien is because they have some freaky powers (either physical or mental) or their organs are arranged differently. 

In Context to WHERE we go Next......

We have seen the Company Angle Explored....we have seen Xenomorphs Galore....we have had our Fill of Ripley.

The A.I Threat is to me Part of History for Humanity, i think it could be Interesting but then IF its Centered around A.I too much, maybe Fans wont see that as being Worthy of being in the ALIEN Franchise?

For me i FELT that Exploring the Engineers and other Worlds they had Interacted and Seeded would have been the WAY to GO... but its IF any Fans would Accept this as a ALIEN Franchise as well NO XENO... then NO ALIEN to some.

But what we are getting is a TV Show.... that WILL go and give us the Xenomorph at some POINT.... and in Context to the OT if this is to be CANON then SET like 25 Years (ish) before ALIEN this will TOTALLY go and Discredit Alien Covenant/David.

The BIG QUESTIONS are.... if we are SET some 25 Years prior to ALIEN then WHEN/WHERE and HOW do we get our Xenomorph?

*Do Humans go and Discover it on LV-223 or LV-426 and bring it back to Earth?

When looking  at the PLOT about Enhanced Meta-Humans and Technological Advancements then SURELY LV-223 has more Rewards in Everything else BUT the Xenomorph.  To go to LV-223/LV-426 and ONLY go to bring Xeno-Eggs back seems Silly, as far as WHY and WHAT do they Intend to gain when LV-223 has more to OFFER.

*Do Humans go Discover the Xenomorph on Earth? and then its a Case of HOW did the Eggs get to Earth in the Ancient Past?

That then raises the Question of WHY do they NEED to bother with LV-426, unless the Discovered Xenomorphs on Earth are ALL DESTROYED and some Humans then Discover there is ANOTHER SHIP on LV-426!

I think the TV Show (if its NOT a Alternative Canon) is asking for TROUBLE.

Will the TV Show go and Explore the Engineers/Space Jockey? or maybe make it that there is ANOTHER RACE who is the Space Jockey?

Again i think this would Conflict the Prequels and Cause Trouble if we have Engineers/Space Jockeys involved before the TIME of ALIEN.

The Engineers/Space Jockey must be SURELY LONG GONE... as FAR as within the LOCAL AREA of Space even by 2180 and so this does-not mean they cant be some LEFT but in FAR FAR reaches of the Galaxy beyond where Humans have Explored even in 2180.

GOD HELP US... if they Discover a Engineer/Space Jockey Ship on Earth and we have at some point some Engineers/Space Jockey awakened or ALERTED (so they come to Earth from FAR AWAY)....

THIS say between 2200-2300.... Yeah OK.... BUT prior to ALIEN... NO NO NO! LOL

I Understand what your saying ;)

What i was referring to is in CONTEXT to a ALIEN Movie/TV Show then WHILE you dont have to have LOADS of Human Characters you would Typically have to have SOME to PLAY as Main Characters, such as STAR WARS if we replaced ALL the Humans with other Races who look NOT-SO Human would MOST People be able to Connect with them?

In Context to the ALIEN Franchise.... then INDEED we could have seen a "different sapient lifeform's culture" do we ASSUME that the Earth is the ONLY place the Engineers had Seeded Life etc?

Do we Assume that as of say Present Day within the Franchise (2022) and thus 100 Years before ALIEN.... that the Earth is the ONLY place were their are HUMANS?

I think you have to LOOK at the BIGGER Picture and place yourself in the Engineers Shoes..... And EVEN IF the Engineers had ONLY seeded Humans on Earth, it seems a LOT of Effort and Time... would they just WRITE US OFF when its Knowledge/Upbringing and Free-Will that Corrupts us?

You would ASK... WHY did the Engineers not just Return to Earth even to some more Secluded Culture of Humans and take some AWAY or even just the CHILDREN (so you take say 10 Boys and 10 Girls) IF these are YOUNG (under 5 Years) the Engineers could TAKE them to another World.... Teach them the WAY the Engineers want them to Behave etc... Learn from Mistakes on Earth by having a Group of Engineers to STAY and WATCH/RULE over these Children and then you can have Humanity begin again... but with more Control.

IF such a thing had been DONE then you have another World with Humans.... what IF this World also has OTHER RACES the Engineers have Created lets say another 3/4 and they ALL are Found on a Planet where they are Living together but are WATCHED/RULED over by a Smaller Number of Engineers?

You have Humans but then other "different sapient lifeform's" and well THIS was the IDEA as to where i would have taken David and Dr Shaw.... a World some 16'000 Light Years away and not 40-50LY or so (Planet 4)

Ridley Scott had mentioned a FEW times that he Felt the ALIEN Franchise had the Potential to be like STAR WARS and STAR TREK... seemed Bonkers for him to Suggest... but i do-not think he meant as BIG as in SUCCESS.... but in Terms of World Building/Exploration, Different Races and Conflicts.

"I basically want a xenofiction"

In context to my Paragraph Prior.... i think RS was looking to EXPAND to Beyond the Xenomorph, the Xenomorph as of 2013 was merely either (A) a Engineered Killing Machine by the Engineers, or (B) a Contamination/Evolution of something that had came into Contact with the Black Goo Bio-Weapon.

And so IF the Xenomorph is merely as such... its ONCE you Explain/Show this its then WHATS NEXT?  So they FELT maybe you DONT even have to Explain the Origins and to STEER AWAY from ALIEN... but this means its NOT quite ALIEN... but then with Prometheus it was SET-UP to Offer a A SPIN-OFF thats SET in the same Universe/Canon... just they would look at WHAT ELSE the Engineers/Space Jockey have been UP TO....

But the POWERS that BE had determined the FANS wanted to see something more ALIEN and to INTRODUCE the Xenomorph and its Origins.... which is WHEN we had July 2015 the Change in this Direction.... just with a CURVE-BALL.... that David Created them.....

Here are the Extracts from Davids Workshop and Egg Room

Paradise

Alien Covenant

Links to the TWO Drafts i have referenced, i cant seem to FIND the other ONE i Read but in Regards to Davids Lab and Eggs etc... Nothing Changes really.

I only managed to come across TWO..... i have Read in the Past 3 Drafts but i believe there are Four that Surfaced. Ive heard that there was about 6/7 in Total from July 2015 to December 2015 then the Shooting Draft was Early 2016

The Three i have Read do-not DIFFER really in Terms of Content as FAR as the Neomorphs and Xenomorph. Regarding as to HOW they came to be.  Did ADF have one of the other DRAFTS that left it more Ambiguous for him?

These are some Extracts relating to Hallet his Infection and Neomorph Birth Scene.  The other Draft which i cant seem to Find, did Describe things more closer to the MOVIE as in the Eggs on the Juggernaught were referred to as Sacks and Spore Motes.  And Regarding David/Eggs it was very similar to the November 2015 Draft.

I would BET that ADF either used that Draft or the December one.  And then Fleshed it Out/Changed things.

Ah, I haven't read of the Alien Covenant scripts

Yeah, I sure hope this information is simply not true. I found this on reddit. I really don't want an AINO movie

I mean sure we can related to humans because we are humans but I don't find that interesting because I am a human, I know how we are and what we will do. But there are times were we can't relate to humans either because they have different morals to us.

I think it would be INTERESTING exploring a different sapient lifeform's culture. I basically want a xenofiction

That would EXPLAIN it... thanks...

looking at the Drafts i have read, then its NOT so OPEN.. it indicates to me that DAVID had Created the Xenomorph.

Just seems to me that ADF was NOT that Happy with the Xenomorph Creation by a Robot (sure most would agree) and so thought he would CHANGE/ADD something to the NOVEL that would Contradict this Notion/Idea

The drafts indicate the Juggernaught has Eggs but these are Described as Varied but Covered in BLACK FUR and this FUR is what Darts from the Eggs to Infect a Host with the NEOMORPH.

Near these Eggs are Broken Urns and so the indication is that the Black Goo has come into Contact with something to CREATE these Eggs.  The Latter Drafts these Eggs become Small Spores instead.  Also the Latter Drafts the TINY HAIRS/FUR are replaced with Tiny Midges.

The Face Hugger/Egg scenes we see David explain what the Eggs on the Ship Produced... that then Evolved into Insect like Parasites....  and David says he had Experimented with them, saying Evolution only takes you so FAR and he implies he had been doing some Genetic Experiments...

To which he indicates the EGGS are his Perfection, his Creation.  The Result of his Experiments.

Thanks for that News

This is Concerning to me.... so NOW it seems we are going to have Meta-Humans.... Enhanced Humanoids who may NOT only have Superior Strength/Speed but also maybe some Psychic Abilities?  This sounds a BIT MARVEL to me...

If this Information is Correct.... what we are Basically getting is like a Ripley 8 with Newts Consciousness inside....  a Enhanced Human with Child's Soul who is Raised/Taught by a Synthetic... where its likely the WENDY (Meta-Human) with likely Marcy being the Consciousness inside.  Will gain some Sympathy for the Synthetics and maybe Meta-Humans and LEAD a Rebellion?

Again i just CANT see HOW the Xenomorph Fits?

It could be we WONT even see Weyland/Yutani!

The Premise does seem VERY ALIEN to ALIEN....

The BIG QUESTION.... is HOW/WHEN/WHY and WHERE do we see the Xenomorphs?

The SHOW is SET on Earth...... and it seems its SET after Prometheus and so MAYBE we see some Company has GONE to LV-223 to get the Black Goo to USE to Enhance Humans? well Create a Hybrid/Enhanced Race?

What IF the Company also Creates the Xenomorph?

However.... looking at what was said before it seems the Show will have a Slower Build Up before we get the Xenomorphs....  they are also what is the Parasitic Threat from our Past..... which indicates the Xenomorph would be Ancient in this TV Show and looking at the Promotion Images it seems they are Discovered on a somewhat Submerged, Ship or Facility that LIKELY is Discovered on Earth at Sea or another Large Body of Water?

The other Aspect is the Threat from the FUTURE (A.I) and we know we will have Synthetics.... but also the Meta-Humans... are BOTH a Threat?  Or just the ONE KIND?

The Meta-Humans being Created likely for Military Purposes, so we looking at a Replicants meets Universal Soldiers with maybe some SUPER-HUMAN Abilities thrown in... Crikey hope this does not END UP like the Necromancers from Raised by Wolves but just Organic Versions...

And are we going to see the Synthetics go to USE/PROGRAM them to Overthrow Humanity?

I think the PLOT could be Interesting as a STAND ALONE like TV Show... i dont see WHY it would NEED to have the Xenomorphs and become Connected to ALIEN etc