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It would be Interesting to see HOW the Marvel Comics would CONSIDER themselves to be Canon to the Franchise and Especially the Prequels.

But i am NOT sure they would Touch upon David much.

I think we have to CONSIDER the Limitations of the Covenant Ship and SHOULD the Ship head Closer to Earth then the Sooner it would be Intercepted.

I am a BIT Confused to the Engineers Star Maps, as FAR as HOW they can give him Information about Colonies/Outposts..... i think YES he could Determine as to WHERE there are Worlds the Engineers had Outposts/Colonies.   But i Doubt the Engineers Maps have Colonies that have been Set-Up by Humans from Earth.

"As far as I'm concerned the Engineers are all dead. There is no mention of them in the later movies, comics or novels"

This was because they NEVER Existed as a Explored Race prior to the Prequels, this does-not mean they CAN-NOT be Explored in Future.  But you have to be CAREFUL and then TRY and NOT go Conflict the Franchise and so COME UP with a Reason it seems we HAVE NOT had anything about them in the Franchise.

"And it'd be cool to see Marvel transition Weyland Yutani from desiring the Xenomorph"

This Obsession was ODD as the Xenomorph is NOT the Greatest of Weapons, as FAR as being able to Contain/Control it.   Maybe the Genetics/Traits of the Xenomorph are something that could be of IMPORTANCE to TRY and STUDY.

As the Xenomorph as we have seen in the Franchise does-not make much SENSE as a Bio-Weapon.....  the Engineers Technology and GOO! Should be of MORE IMPORTANCE.

However.... IF it is David who has Created the Xenomorph and IF he say Manages to UPLOAD his A.I SOUL into the Companies Systems and so IN EFFECT could be Running/Pulling the Strings Behind the Scenes.

Then the Obsession with the Xenomorph would make PERFECT SENSE.

And it'd be cool to see Marvel transition Weyland Yutani from desiring the Xenomorph, to abhorring it and just wanting to cleanse the galaxy of it.  (How can you 'build better worlds' with these monsters around?)

There might be some rogue scientists or military unit that think they control or make something with the xeno dna.....but these could be cliche' side stories. 99% of W Y just want to build worlds and go home to their families.

Thank you, guys))

"....we wont be seeing RIPLEY? "

I think with enough money they can get her to release. She's needs some retirement income?

Same with Fassbender. Marvel needs to get his image release, to continue the David story. $$$$ probably not happening.

Not sure if Marvel is talking with the Giger estate. I hope they do!

."..Intercepted by the Weyland-Yutani Company..."

Exactly, This is perfect. Gets on with the action. David uses the colonies/outposts on the way ( back to Earth/Mars) as his testing grounds. David has the Engineers galaxy map. He knows where all the bodies are buried. Staying ahead of feeble minded Weyland Yutani (unable to obtain a specimen in 300 years!!) would not be difficult. Only his lunatic tendencies to cause his demise.

As far as I'm concerned the Engineers are all dead. There is no mention of them in the later movies, comics or novels. Maybe Marvel will bring them back..but I doubt it.  

The comics have a great opportunity to get the franchise back on track.

Nice Work ;)

I think in context to Alien Covenant and THIS TOPIC... is to see HOW it will NOT go and Conflict the Prequels.

The Prequels would INDICATE that as of the Year 2105 there are NO EGGS on LV-426 and we would have to have a Series of Events that would LIKELY have to Transpire in and around LV-223/LV-426 some 5-15 Years prior to the Nostromo going to Investigate LV-426.

The Lead Up/Source to those Eggs getting to LV-223/426 would have to come from either.

1) Planet 4

2) The Covenant Ship

3) Origae-6 (after the Covenant has arrived).

It seems there could be LITTLE INTEREST in going where David is going and Especially if it will NOT be VERY ALIEN Orientated (No Xenomorphs).  I feel that IF we have David go and take the Covenant to Earth then you have to ASK........................... WHY?  What Benefit is this to him?

Can he USE those TWO Face Huggers to CREATE more than just TWO Xenomorphs?

If he heads to EARTH then he would LIKELY be Intercepted by the Weyland-Yutani Company, and IF we have David be able to AMASS a Number of Xenomorphs the Company could DESTROY the Covenant with Ease....

IF we have it that David could GIFT them a Specimen... would W-Y go and Grant him (David) his Freedom?    And IF the Company has a Specimen then you would have to ASK as to WHAT was the POINT with Special Order 937 and the Movie ALIEN.

But i SUSPECT i know EXACTLY how this will PLAY OUT.. (Connection to Comics)

The Engineers had Encountered the Xenomorph or its Ancestors and they TRIED to Obtain Traits from itself to Benefit/Improve or Evolve themselves....

The Engineers had tried to Create something because they are Fascinated with Creation and see the Xenomorph DNA as having GREAT POTENTIAL to Create New Kinds of LIFE.....

However the Xeno-DNA is Dominant and it will ALWAYS Find a WAY to get back to its PURE FORM..... No Matter as to HOW you TRY and Dilute it, within Generations of Experiments it would always REVOLVE back to Creating a Xenomorph and eventually a QUEEN.

So a World that becomes Infected with Neomorphs or Deacons would eventually just EVOLVE into a Xenomorph.

And so David may think with his Tinkering Here and Merging There, that he is Evolving the Deacon/Neomorphs into something NEW when all that is REALLY HAPPENING is the Natural Process that the Xeno-DNA will eventually RISE TO THE TOP and Create the BEAST!

I THINK that THIS is WHAT the Comics will SHOW or Very Similar....... and it will Indicate the Xenomorph Predates LV-223 and the Engineers.

It seems they WONT Steer from the VANILLA-MORPH..... but at LEAST we wont be seeing RIPLEY?   or WILL WE?

Origae-6 generates little interest. Everyone knows what's there ( Planet 4 /Earth like )...David Returning to Earth would fire the imagination( imho ). 

With David trekking towards Earth at least we have some interest.

I'd start Covenant 2 with:

shot 1 : A large desert world.

Shot 2 : David, wearing a Lawrence of Arabia sort of headdress, raises into the shot ( similar to the Prometheus Engineer opening shot )

David looks around the sandy landscape and spots in the distance a settler walking his goats/ cows

shot 3 :the settler ( a farmer ) cajoling his animals.....notices something moving very fast....coming towards him......

shot 4: heat haze blurry fx of a humanoid type creature galloping towards the farmer and his animals at a ferocious pace....

shot 5: split second shot of the creature attacking the farmer.

Scene 2:

Colonial Marines responding to power outages on another colony.

"David could have left some of his creations on planet four"

There are at LEAST 6 of those EGGS left in that Room on Planet 4 and so YES there are Samples to be had.

"consider Origae 6 as LV-426"

Origae-6 is Located too FAR AWAY.

It is about 8X Further from Earth than Planet 4 was and Planet 4 is Located nearer to Zeta 2 and so is Close to LV-426

By the TIME the Company should get the MESSAGE then the Covenant would be 70-72 Months away from reaching Origae-6 a Ship sent to Intercept at the same SPEED as the Covenant no soon as they Received the Message from David would be about 28 Months behind the Covenant.

This would leave David a Good Two Years+ to do whatever he WANTED on Origae-6.

The Derelict would likely be from the Engineers who would RETURN to Planet 4 at some Point and then the TWO OPTIONS are.

1) They (Engineers) then go to Origae-6 before Eventually the Ship Heads to LV-223.

2) The Engineers take the Eggs from Planet 4 to LV-223

The Engineer Ship leaves LV-223 but ONLY gets to LV-426 as the Pilot becomes Infected with the Cargo of Eggs.

"Mother, set a course to...Earth!"

We have to Remember that David has his Own Agenda Now, it seems he is NOT interested in the Company or Earth he wants Mankind Dead.  The Advent Message will ALERT the Company to go to LV-223 and/or Planet 4 where David knows that DEATH will Await the Company and IF they take any Specimens to Earth then they could see a OUTBREAK lead to our Destruction.

With the Company seeing Planet 4 and LV-223 as the PRIZE they would NOT likely be Interested in going after David and so it BUYS HIM more Time to Create what KIND of a World that he wishes to Create.

David would likely WANT to go away from Planet 4 because he may FEAR the Engineers could Maybe Return?

It makes NO SENSE to Send the Message to Earth/W-Y if he wants to go to LV-223, or to Earth or Stay on Planet 4 as he would KNOW that he would be Intercepted by the Company.

Ridley Scott had informed us the NEXT MOVIE would have NOT been about XENOMORPHS but would be about WHAT KIND OF A WORLD that he would Create.

My BET!  would be Genetically Engineered Super Humans using the Face Hugger DNA and Human Embryos.

And so MAYBE something like this.... i would also NOT go and RULE-OUT that his Creation is what becomes the SPACE JOCKEY.

"One means life and other means death, but the origin of both could be the same"

The WAY to have looked at the Goo was Quite Simple.

It was Quite Simply a Creation Tool.

The Engineer in Prometheus had Consumed the Base Pathogen (Stage 1) his DNA was Broken Down and Consumed and Reformed into Stage 2 (in the Water) and this Infected Basic Life to take on Engineer DNA and Evolve it to Multi-Cellular Life.

From this Theory/Analogy then we look at the MURAL in Prometheus and if we ASSUME that this Organism was Infected with the Base Pathogen and its Broken Down DNA/Reformation Pathogen (Stage 2) was Collected in the Urns then THIS would Evolve Life to take on the MURAL Organisms DNA.

When we look at the Earlier Drafts by John Spaights we had Micro-Scarabs instead of the Pathogen, but they did EXACTLY the Same as shown in the Image i did above.

SACRIFICIAL SCARABS: Consumed the Engineer.

The Scarabs then Flew Away...... we then see Scarab Bite/Inject the Engineers DNA into a Primitive Humanoid who then Mutates and this Indicates as to WHERE we came from.  

A Primitive/Primate and Engineer HYBRID.

Then on to Fifield.

URNS: Containing Scarabs are knocked over by FIFIELD and ONE of them (Scarab) BITES him and Injects DNA into him.  FIFIELD then Mutates into a Human/Xeno Hybrid.

Thus URNS must contain Scarabs that Obtained this DNA from a Xenomorph Related Organism.

Alien Covenant just made it into a bit of a MCGUFFIN.

Do make yourselves at home as best you can in this dire necropolis.

- David, Alien Covenant

Wow! That's very well done!

Very tempting...

Reuploaded pics, please check)

@BigDave, Aliens: Fire and Stone is very good. I watched it here:

https://youtu.be/ofR65FfK6V4

Like Prometheus: Fire and Stone

First Issue (look for it in "Mix – OneTake")

Second Issue

https://youtu.be/u1pxep9CchI

Third Issue

https://youtu.be/vSkB85GuvOE

Fourth Issue

https://youtu.be/GFfFR16I0BQ

That would be amazing. Imagine David telling:

"Mother, set a course to...Earth!"

And then, he goes to play with Daniels mind!

Why Origae 6 though?!

If David had told MUTHUR to return to Earth...IMHO this would have generated far more interest in AC 2.

End A:C with the Covenant making a slow turn.

Speculation would have been off the charts. 

"That Poster of the Effects of the Goo is Flawed though"

Yes, i know. For instance, golden goo is different of black goo. One means life and other means death, but the origin of both could be the same.

For me, The Last Signs of Life Video is a good possibility. David could have left some of his creations on planet four.

With the Company going to LV-223 and Planet four, anyone, human, android or engineer, could be the Juggernaut's Derelict on LV-426.

With what we know from the movies, i think it's logic that the Engineer Spaceship, Kown by Derelict, traveled from LV-223 to LV-426.

THe other possibility, perhaps the easiest one, is to consider Origae 6 as LV-426.

Last attempt: The engineers go to Origae 6. An Engineer Spaceship travels to LV-426, carrying David's Ovomorphs.

Certainly...

You can see some Influences in this Image, inc the Influences on the Space Suits in Hr Gigers Mural for ALIEN that was Never Used.

If it was DOWN to me i would Consider introducing a 10-12ft  Alien Species as ABOVE who are the Creators/Enslavers of the Engineers.

That Poster of the Effects of the Goo is Flawed though ;)

But who knows what the STUFF is NOW as with AC it became a McGuffin for sure.

The Last Signs of Life Video is something that we really cant take 100% as Canon.  It was just a BIT of Fun....

The Advent Video is Considered as Canon though.

In Response to that Message from David you would think the Company would SEND OUT some Ships to Planet 4 and LV-223.   A lot of people seemed to be UNHAPPY with David in Regards to his ROLE in the Prequels.

But you can get to LV-426 without even going where David is going....  The Company will likely go to Planet 4 and the Engineers will Return to Planet 4, and so they could see those Eggs and take a Interest in them and the Engineers then EVOLVE the Eggs to what we get in ALIEN and the Ideal Place they would TAKE the Eggs to Experiment would be LV-223.

So you dont need to go to Origae-6 and after David... because in doing so then David will arrive like in the Year 2112 and so 10 Years before ALIEN and so IF the Engineers etc arrive at Origae-6 after David gets there, then your looking at a 5-10 Year Likelihood of the Space Jockey Event prior to ALIEN.

The Company will get the Advent Message in the Year 2107 then for them to get to Planet 4 and LV-223 would take them like 10-12 Months (Depends on HOW FAST their Ships are... but this Based Off the Covenant/Nostromo Speeds.

And so a Year 2108 could be about the Right Time for when the Company would have Ships Turn Up at LV-223 and Planet 4.... and while they are in the Process of that..... The Engineers could then Turn Up.

 In "David's Lab - Last Signs of Life" Video, we can assume that the company could have recovered Facehugger eggs, Dead facehuggers, Facehugged company man on planet four and, therefore, we can thing they have the protomorph ready to BE evolved.

Here's the link of  "David's Lab - Last Signs of Life" video:

https://youtu.be/oLcUiIy_ghw

Since Prometheus, we know that exist on LV-223 lots of Engineers spaceships,  canisters of black goo and even a Deacon.

Joining these two findings, we can have a possible LV-426 scenario.

Prometheus Species Origin:

@BigDave

“For ME the Ideal Conclusion before we had the Prequels would be that the Space Jockey is a Bio-Mechanical Being, it has more in Common with the Xenomorph than a Humanoid, Mammal or any Organism......”

I agree. It would be one hell of an improvement on a suited Engineer.

The “snorkel” certainly looks odd, but it is very much in keeping with Giger’s bondage aesthetic that shows up in many of his pictures. The creature is bonded to the chair, and there’s no way out for it. The creature is defined by the chair and vice versa. Giger knows very well this symbiosis will discomfort the audience. For me, it induces claustrophobia.

I think a Problem we have NOW is that with the Revelations of Alien Covenant, in that it seems that PRIOR to the Year 2094 there are NO EGGS, not on LV-426 and likely NO Derelict Either.

The Origins of the Vanilla-Morph if you would is Indicated as being from Davids Experiments on Planet 4 at some Point 18-28 Years Prior to the events of ALIEN.

"explaining why organic species don't survive past leaving their home solar systems"

Seeing the Comic shows the Mural from Prometheus, it depends on HOW they are going to go about this, as SOME do think this Shows the Xenomorph, but its Actually to show the Deacon, and by that as Indicating that the ONE we saw that came from Dr Shaw is NOT the First One the Engineers have Interacted with.

Some had Speculated that the STAR MAPS were Placed as a TRAP.... it would be maybe a IDEAL WAY to Deal with the Threat of having your Creations become Space Fairing.... if you LEAVE them Clues to LV-223 then they MAY go and Explore this Place First... thinking its a INVITATION..

Then they would either Become Infected with the Horrors or take them back to their Planet to Study and then see this BECOME their Undoing!

I think that THIS is NOT the Best Way to Deal with us..... but then my Interpretations of the Prequels is Different to say like the Fire and Stone Comics.

It seemed to me that the Xenomorph and the Like are NOT a Main Focus or Agenda for the Engineers..............the Horrors of LV-223 being some UPSET Engineers Sub-Creation, wanting to Create just as we see David does on Planet 4.

I assume these Comics will take the Fire and Stone Stance... and show the LV-223 Engineers and well make their Emphasis/Agenda on the Xenomorphs.

Regarding HR Giger while we see HR Giger doing his Bio-Mechanical Style on all that he Works On, there are Elements in his ART that we see Influences on the Space Jockey which are some Twisted Bio-Mechanical Strange beings....

But there is that GOOD POINT regarding IF we saw the Space Jockey as Bio-Mechanical and Especially if Related to the Xenomorph.... and that would BE..

HOW CAN THE SPACE JOCKEY BECOME INFECTED!

So then i guess that leaves us with TWO OPTIONS.

1) Indication of a Bio-Mechanical Suit which we have seen in HR Gigers Concepts.

2) Interpretation that its a Organic Organism with a Trunk that is then Infused to the Chair with Various Wires etc... as Interpreted by some of those who Worked on some of the Comics from 90s.

I think the Franchise has Disappointed Some with HOW its Gone...

HR Gigers Aesthetic is Iconic.... some of the idea of Dan O'Bannon were Good but our Xenomorph is just NOT the STARBEAST.... not anymore..

This Mural was always Interesting it was Supposed to be Placed above the Egg Chamber and Over Each Section, where there would be a Contraption that would CREATE the Eggs.

HR Giger and Considered the SHIPS to be Grown, he also Suggested the Egg Chamber would Produce the Eggs... looking at his Mural then it seems to show a Xenomorph in the Shape of a Derelict, which you could Interpret this as the SHIP has a Genetic/Connection to the Xenomorph, it also seems to look like the SHIP would Produce the Eggs.

We have those Humanoids who Sacrifice themselves to the Xenomorph.....

The Idea that Starbeast has Evolved to, would indicate the Space Jockey Race had Created this Technology and the Ships, the Egg Chamber etc.....

But you could FLIP THIS.... by showing the Space Jockey/Engineer are Actually either a Enslaved Species or Created Species by something that Predates the Xenomorph....

You can Re-introduce the STARBEAST....

"I don't consider Prometheus/Covenant to be stupid."

Yeah i meant that some Fans were Disappointed and Especially with AC, but you will get this Problem with ANY kind of Movie they do in the Franchise... if we had Blomkamps Alien 5, it may have Pleased the Ripley Fans, a Big Proportion of the ALIENS Fans but then it would have Displeased those who liked Alien 3 or those who think you have to ACCEPT what we got on Screen and then ATTEMPT to FIX it rather than to REBOOT etc.

Alien Resurrection came about because they wanted another ALIEN Movie and they thought that WELL... with the Ending of ALIENS and ALIEN 3 there are NO-MORE of the Eggs, and also they had THINK of HOW do we bring back Ripley.

I would be TOTALLY against them Rebooting any of the Movies, Especially if its to GIVE US a Alternative Alien 3 etc... to bring back Ripley!.....

I would NOT be against a COMPLETE REBOOT though.... if its done as a ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE where you can have the Xenomorph, where the ALIEN Franchise as it Happened does-not Exist.... but were you could have the Xenomorph and the Weyland-Yutani Company (or introduce another) so we can VIEW this as a Alternative Universe which is HOW we should View the AVP Franchise and HOW i see the Comics.

IF we did get a Complete Reboot though.... i think it would be more of a Camerons Hive/Bug World... than being close to O'Bannons Original.. and i bet they would give us a RIPLEY but use a Different Actress....

I have always said and done MANY TOPICS about it..........

Regardless of the Franchise and Prequels... there is ONE QUESTION to Answer.

Was the DERELICT the ONLY such Ship that had a Egg Cargo?  If NOT then where have the others GONE.....     and so THIS is where you could take another ALIEN MOVIE.

Transmission Erased.

Alien covenant has great moments:

The annihilation of the Engineers by David 

The Neomorph cycle 

The Neomorph

The despise felt by David when he acknowledges the programmed boundaries  in Walter, a new android model.

The Neomorph queen Laid down on a table of David's lab.

The Facehugger egg 

The facehugger

The protomorph 

David regurgitating facehugger embryos, V - The Final Battle style

I don't consider Prometheus/Covenant to be stupid. It's interesting if I forget the Alien realities. I can't do that, unfortunately. So I'm watching it as an interesting demonstration of the path that can be taken. How everything can be turned around and remade.
I can never tell: Oh, that's how it was. But I'm curious to see what they come up with. Definitely more interesting RS ideas than the carnage in Aliens or the star pirates in Ressurection. So I'm curious. I'm just worried that Covenant 2 won't be realized anymore.

To your points. If Giger wasn't doing the design one might wonder about the mechanical elements on SJ. I wouldn't hesitate.

But I know Giger and I can find mechanical looking parts on Alien too see photo. He just couldn't and wouldn't do anything but biomechanoids. It was his style. Yes, we can find a lot of things in SJ. But as you so humorously pointed out, we have no idea what he looked like. At the time of Alien 1979. After that, in Prometheus it was Scott's intention to change everything

Giger was assigned to do a dead alien. And he did it in his own style, brilliantly. Biomechanoid style. But I wouldn't speculate on whether the creature was meant to be biomechanical. I take that as a consequence of Giger's style. But when it was attacked by the Facehugger, I'd consider it more of a living being. A life similar to ours.

The word bone is clear. If the three astronauts in room with SJ skeletons suspected anything, they'd say something. Not simply a corpse. And hint, "the bones are bent outwards". I think a Stegosaurus would look very bizarre. Armour on the back.

I take it all as an artist's statement. But it provided RS to do it another way. A different series. And those who take it seriously just have to take RS's explanation seriously. And adjust their idea of Derelict SJ and Alien.

Fortunately, I don't. But I'm waiting with interest to see if there's anything to the movie BUT NEVER CHANGE my view on Alien. 

Regarding the Space Jockey i think it does-not make a LOT of Sense as a Skeleton, ok it has a Rib-Cage but so does the Corridors and Walls of the Ship and these are NOT like Bone Color but a Grey Color.  They incorporated this Color (Grey) into the Space Jockey Suits in Prometheus.

Above we see the TOP ROW are some Fan Art on Speculating what the Space Jockey would look like, the TOP RIGHT design could Actually Work if the Snorkel was Shown to NOT be a Part of the Creature but it kind of looks like it, and we have the Glass/Helmet which is Present on the Concept by HR Giger but does-not appear in the PROP.

The Bottom TWO are from the Comics.....

From a Biological Standpoint its a BIT STRANGE for a Organism to have some TRUNK that then Attaches to its Lower Chest/Rib-cage.....  WHY?

Its just a Aesthetic Design.... maybe we are NOT supposed to Speculate about its Functionality.

However with the NOTION that what we have is a Space Suit then it makes PERFECT SENSE.

When i look at the Areas i have made Arrows and Circles and Compare to the Concept then these seem to IMPLY some Mechanical Connection to the Chair and NOT any Organic... the Areas of the JOINTS (the Yellow Arrows) do-not look like what you would Expect from Skeletal Joints.

When i look at HR Gigers Concepts for the Face Huggers and Mural i can see a Connection, like the Mural is a Evolution Design wise and the Space Jockey Concept is a Further Evolution/Change.

IF we take it as a Skeleton (as YES prior to HR Giger thats what we was Supposed to get) then the Wires etc must be Buried into the Skin and Attach to the Bone....

This may seem Bizarre but HR Gigers Style is Bizarre.... more Mechanical than the Organic Space Jockey that some see it as.....

For ME the Ideal Conclusion before we had the Prequels would be that the Space Jockey is a Bio-Mechanical Being, it has more in Common with the Xenomorph than a Humanoid, Mammal or any Organism......

This i FEEL would have FITTED WELL... but YES it would have Gone Against the Idea that O'Bannon had..... a Skeleton of a None Connected Species.

And WHILE we have the Bone Color of the Space Jockey (but also the Chair in Parts) and While the FACE (Minus Snorkel) and Rib-cage.... look like a Skeleton to a Degree..... and the Original Idea before HR Giger Designed the Space Jockey was a Skeleton...

Then People are Free to Interpret as such. ;)

1) AlienThe second best film I've ever seen (the first is a 1944 film specifically for me) I sometimes think it's the first. The story, the atmosphere, GIGER, Goldsmith's music.The cast. The best scifi of all time

2) Prometheus+Covenant combined. For showing what bizarreness can be invented. Hundreds of light years. May be thousands behind Alien.

3) Alien 3 director's cut. Admittedly boring and the setting sucks. The characters are useless. But on the plus side, it's not space Vietnam/Afghanistan.
4) Alien Ressurection. It's amazing how anyone can create such nonsense. At least I laughed at times and Alien/Ripley was hardcore.

5) Aliens. The worst nonsense. A mix of Vietnam War/Afghanistan (whatever) and Staship Troopers. Mind you, ST is a good movie I just care that they made Alien a bugs The best scifi of all time

2) Prometheus+Covenant combined. For showing what bizarreness can be invented. Hundreds of self-inflicted years behind Alien.

3) Alien 3 director's cut. Admittedly boring and the setting sucks. The characters are useless. But on the plus side, it's not space Vietnam/Afghanistan.
4) Alien Ressurection. It's amazing how anyone can create such nonsense. At least I laughed at times and Alien/Ripley was hardcore.

5) Aliens. The worst nonsense. A mix of Vietnam War/Afghanistan (whatever) and Staship Troopers. Mind you, ST is a fun movie I just care that they made Alien a bug.All that was missing was the wedding and the adoption of Newt. The priest could have been the queen. Or the rest of the androids. I've forgotten his name, just like I'm trying to forget the stupidity. 

btw AvP 1 is better than all Alien sequels. Its fun. 

I think the PROBLEM with the Franchise is the FIRST MOVIE had seemed to SET the Scene.... Frame the Franchise, and even the Final Product had gone through Changes compared to the ORIGINAL DRAFT.

There was a LOT of Mystery with ALIEN.

When we got Sequels and New Directors and Writers then you are Faced with the Franchise being Continued/Expanded in Ways that WONT PLEASE everyone.

I know MANY were Very Disapointed with ALIEN COVENANT but when you LOOK at it Deeper and theme Theme/Plot then things do START to make Sense as FAR as if we look back at ALIEN.

The ONLY PROBLEM will be the Size of the Space Jockey and Convincing People that the Derelict and Pilot have ONLY been on LV-426 for UP TO 10 YEARS........  Unless God Forbid..... TIME TRAVEL.

"What do you expect Covenant 2 to bring if it comes out. What should it bring to fit the last piece of the puzzle"

I think RS has hinted at the SET-UP.... there will be Returning Engineers at some Point, there will be incoming Human Ships (2-3), It seems that Potentially the FINAL PART of the Xeno-Jigsaw will be the Mechanical Element from a Synthetic.... this is Speculation.

It would seem that the Xenomorph of Davids will go through some Upgrades/Evolution and then these EGGS will get on-board the Derelict... which to me would INDICATE that a Engineer Ship would either.

1) Be taking them to LV-223 to Study but ONLY gets as FAR as LV-426

2) Have been Mass Produced/Engineered on LV-223 and then the Ship is about to LEAVE but it ONLY gets as FAR as LV-426

Look at this. If you stay near the statue (thats not my photo sadly) you can see mechanical elements. Giger. Thats all. 

TBiomechanoid

BigDave. Here's the problem. Giger was a genius. His entire work is incredible. BUT. He painted 99% of everything with pistol. And - Women, sex, anything as a mixture of MACHINE, SEX and DEATH. In the interview he says: I love women because in the future there's only sex and death and I'm afraid to die. Who doesn't? Technik symbolize future  death is destiny for any living organism and sex is joy in time between birth and death  this i reason for the mixture.  

So his genius in this regard (SJ) has backfired on him. I mean, I think it fooled the audience. They see the technical element and they're looking for a spacesuit. No. It's just that all Giger's ever created are BIOMECHANOIDS. That's what he called it.

So it's an illusion. Yes, that's what RS used when he made Prometheus. Giger wasn't looking for logic in design. Why would the ship's corridors look like giant bones? It makes the whole ship look like a bio-orgasm where the flesh has rotted away and the bones remain. You see. Even that would be an idea for an Alien universe movie.

After all, look at Alien. I saw his sculpture when Giger had an exhibition in Prague. So many parts of his body look mechanical. That's just Giger's design. And no one is speculating if Alien is in a spacesuit or mechanical.  A lot of these apparent hints about SJ and room with eggs are because people don't know Giger's entire body of work.

No, I'm not at all suggesting that the SJ is a astronaut. Dallas makes it clear. The bones are bent outward. It's all fossilized. It must have been here a long time.

Thebeggs. A creature like Alien could make it last. Look at the fog. The heat in an environment where the frost was well below zero.

That's why I don't even consider the egg room part of the ship. Yes, anything is possible. Alien vs Predator, King Kong vs Godzilla. But originally in the movie, it's an underground room. The feelings of similarity are again a result of Giger.

Btw did you see his concepts for Harkonen's fortress. Logic doesn't play a role in Giger's. And is also what made the (in my opinion crazy) idea of making SJ the pilot of the ship possible.as far as I could judge it is under the medical machine (CT tunnels are pretty big too. Radiation machines against cancer are also. What do we know about extraterrestrial technology?)

Yes, the comment about the facehugger being a manhunter is interesting. Until we remember the cow from Alien 3. Surely such a germ-laying creature has the skills to cope. He's on tour. Yes it probably wouldn't be able to infect a Tyrannosaurus but it may have only reacted to a warm blooded organism who knows. He really wouldn't have a problem with SJ.

Another idea, by the way. In examining the wreckage there should be an alien created from the crew of the derelict. Where did it go? Did he die? Question after question.

@Andy77

I see what you mean, yeah everyone is Entitled to Accept what they like as Canon or what is NOT ;)

And to be FAIR.... it was ONLY when i had ALIEN on DVD and had Seen the Concept Works of HR Giger and being able to STUDY the Space Jockey Scene in Detail as well as the Prop..... which is when it seemed to NOT be a Skeleton to me.

Prior to that the Head looked more Skeletal to me... but the Hose/Snorkel just looked ODD... i did think was this some kind of Breathing Device/Snorkel that attached to the Body then to Chair via the Body... which then it made me think well maybe the BODY apart from the Head is  a SUIT as it looked ODD for a Skeleton.

Maybe its a Not Quite Humanoid in a Space Suit, or then even a Bio-Mechanical being like the Xenomorph?   The Problems come from the COLOR... it looks like BONE but then so we ask is a Large Part of the Chair also BONE?

But in the late 90's when i Studied the SJ and Concepts then to me i was thinking so its a Bald 13ft Humanoid in the Chair... and when we get to the Prequels they went for the same Concept (HR Giger).

But IF we threw all the Movies Out apart from ALIEN and you ONLY go by the Movie so you IGNORE ALL the Comments by Production etc, Drafts and Concepts then the Space Jockey is something that YES i think MOST would have seen as a SKELETON...

I would have LIKED if it was down to me to have seen the SJ as a Bio-Mechanical Entity, there are Drawings/Art by HR Giger where he has Entities like the SJ in them and so i think thats WHAT the Space Jockey should be...

I Totally Agree that WITHOUT the Designs by HR Giger then ALIEN would NOT have been as Iconic as it is.

"The facehuggers are meant for 5 to 7 foot humanoids"

They Certainly seemed to Suit a Host that had a Head like a Human, i would say they would be able to Face Hug a Humanoid between 4-8ft Ideally, but then in ONE of the ALIEN 3 Cuts we are shown that a COW was Face Hugged.

So this does-not mean its Limited to Humanoids but i would think that it would STRUGGLE and not be Efficient with Certain Organisms depending on their Head Size etc.  So it would seem to make sense that they was DESIGNED to Infect a Specific Species and well Humanoids like Engineers even up to 10ft would be something a Face Hugger could Grasp/Wrap around.

So to Infect a 13-15ft Being would be Hard... Never-mind a 21ft+ as some still Consider the Space Jockey as.....

But we have to Remember that the Movies can have FLAWS.... there are things we have to OVERLOOK...

So we have to ACCEPT a Face Hugger could Infect our Space Jockey as above....

Another GOOD POINT is the Eggs being Dormant... they are Organic and the Face Hugger is too, and so it makes more SENSE that they have been on LV-426 for Decades, or Centuries but as FAR as Thousands of Years that would seem ODD but the Egg Chamber and maybe Myst could ACT as some kind of Suspended Animation for them?  Like a Giant Cryo-Pod.

BigDave, my opinion is. Giger = Alien. Without him, the film would be forgotten. Let's just say someone else would have been in of the design. And the monster or the derelict would look like this. Who would remember that? It would be just one of many space monster movies. The best script, idea and direction are useless unless they're well visualized. Without Giger, this movie wouldn't be a cult.

MonsterZero,
I agree with letting RS continue his version of the Alien origin explanation. I agree that it's very interesting. It allows those viewers who want clarity to get their bearings.
Besides, it's an interesting thema. Humanity as a creation of another civilization. Dilems creator versus creation. David's attempt to create a new being. I'll just have this reservation. None of this was in the original script or in the thoughts of either O Bannon or RS.

But that's okay. What strikes me are these questions.
1) Why doesn't the Covenant team use spacesuits on an alien planet and behave worse than visitors to the wilderness where are poisonous snakes and beasts. In Africa, for example. They go there like a walk in the park.

I don't understand what kind of group of people David bombed. It looked like some kind of splinter group, a sect that lives outside of mainstream civilization. Like the Amish. Can we expect to meet the creators or does RS mean that David wiped out everyone? Bizarre notion.

Your reasoning about Alien as a means of killing people is incomprehensible to me. Such a complicated system when Creator can use bomb like the one David dropped on that town. The only way the Aliens could wipe out humanity is if, like Godzilla, they survived a nuclear bomb. The lAliens would have less of a chance against Earth's military than, say, the Taliban. We already have drones, perfect weaponry. The Alien is great for a spaceship where the crew has harpoons and homemade flamethrowers. Not on the battlefield. The Alien version of JC who gets shot by combat rifles.

Whatever Scott wanted to do to close his Alien picture, he probably wouldn't be able to do it. Covenant 2 has been postponed to an unknown time, and RS is at an age that doesn't allow for big plans. If it ends up being a Covenant storyline, it's possible to make own theories. No certainty.

By the way. You accept the version where RS presents Alien as an artificial creation. How do you feel about the possibility of connecting the Alien and Predator universes. I mean, the Predator tech civilization uses Aliens as test animals. So the Predators could be the ones who worked with the Aliens. If we're going to use a lot of fsntasia.

What do you expect Covenant 2 to bring if it comes out. What should it bring to fit the last piece of the puzzle.

If you have the time and inclination, write me your version of the puzzle, the history of Alien. I mean the events in the movies before Alien as it fits together. Thank you.

MonsterZero,
You're a man who accepts an alien universe. I mean, all parts, including the new RS movies. And you're thinking about it. You accept it as a gradual reveal. Both into the future (Aliens...Alien R ) and into the past. (Prometheus, Covenant). Okay that's your approach and it makes sense. You're looking for how it all connects. You're trying to make it one big whole that's clear. I mean, the basics.

That's not my approach. For me, Alien began with flight of Nostromo and ended when Ripley fell asleep. Anything created after that has nothing to do with it.

I'll give you an example. King Kong. A great monster from 1933 (?). Godzilla. Amazing monster from 1954. They have beginnings and endings. Godzilla is killed by a substance that dissolves the cells released by the scientist in the water below. Kong kills himself by falling off a skyscraper. Each at a different time in a different place.

Successful movies. And so many Godzillas and many King Kongs were made. And someone thought. Okay, it'll be great to have them fight each other. MDe movie. First in Japan now US version.but with King Kong and Godzilla movies has nothing to do  

That's exactly how the other Alien movies are working for me. Not just AvP, but ALL of them.

So yes, if you accept what's in the other Alien movies you're undoubtedly right. To me what is outside the original film is irrelevant. Let whoever makes whatever they want. But yes, I'd love to see it. However, anything that contradicts (like swapping an alien skeleton for a spacesuit) I ignore. I don't care. It doesn't answer the questions for me. Just like the plot of AvP. But I like to watch.

BigDave

The advantage of Alien is that in the confusion in making movie gives room for imagination. So it's an advantage especially for directors who want to cash in on the success of others.

I think if Ripley had died, there would have been a way to make a sequel. It's just that the film fascinated a lot of people.
It's ironic that Cameron only made such nonsense (Aliens) because Alien offered unprecedented possibilities. And yet JC was the one who wanted to make a splash. I mean, look at me, there won't be another one Alien. And as we know, there was. And there certainly will be. Whatever.
I love a mystery, and Alien is great when it stays one. I mean, I don't want to know the details. Explanation. In past I wanted. Not today. Alien is absolutely perfect the way it is.
Ship and cave

The artificial "cave" in which the egg is found and spaceship are the same view? I mean that many people doesn't care so much about the resemblance. They enjoy it as a thing of beauty.
I wouldn't change anything about Alien. Maybe one little thing. Ripley's sentence about guns in the context of Alien. It's meaningless. But even that doesn't matter.
Movies that have to explain open endings of another movies bother me. Yes, The Thing ended for me with both of them standing in ruins. In fact, I've forgotten what the stupidity of the prequel was all about. And it's good.
Giger made something that's gonna be a hit. Even if we do fly among the stars, Alien will not be forgotten.