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That would be amazing. Imagine David telling:

"Mother, set a course to...Earth!"

And then, he goes to play with Daniels mind!

Why Origae 6 though?!

If David had told MUTHUR to return to Earth...IMHO this would have generated far more interest in AC 2.

End A:C with the Covenant making a slow turn.

Speculation would have been off the charts. 

"That Poster of the Effects of the Goo is Flawed though"

Yes, i know. For instance, golden goo is different of black goo. One means life and other means death, but the origin of both could be the same.

For me, The Last Signs of Life Video is a good possibility. David could have left some of his creations on planet four.

With the Company going to LV-223 and Planet four, anyone, human, android or engineer, could be the Juggernaut's Derelict on LV-426.

With what we know from the movies, i think it's logic that the Engineer Spaceship, Kown by Derelict, traveled from LV-223 to LV-426.

THe other possibility, perhaps the easiest one, is to consider Origae 6 as LV-426.

Last attempt: The engineers go to Origae 6. An Engineer Spaceship travels to LV-426, carrying David's Ovomorphs.

Certainly...

You can see some Influences in this Image, inc the Influences on the Space Suits in Hr Gigers Mural for ALIEN that was Never Used.

If it was DOWN to me i would Consider introducing a 10-12ft  Alien Species as ABOVE who are the Creators/Enslavers of the Engineers.

That Poster of the Effects of the Goo is Flawed though ;)

But who knows what the STUFF is NOW as with AC it became a McGuffin for sure.

The Last Signs of Life Video is something that we really cant take 100% as Canon.  It was just a BIT of Fun....

The Advent Video is Considered as Canon though.

In Response to that Message from David you would think the Company would SEND OUT some Ships to Planet 4 and LV-223.   A lot of people seemed to be UNHAPPY with David in Regards to his ROLE in the Prequels.

But you can get to LV-426 without even going where David is going....  The Company will likely go to Planet 4 and the Engineers will Return to Planet 4, and so they could see those Eggs and take a Interest in them and the Engineers then EVOLVE the Eggs to what we get in ALIEN and the Ideal Place they would TAKE the Eggs to Experiment would be LV-223.

So you dont need to go to Origae-6 and after David... because in doing so then David will arrive like in the Year 2112 and so 10 Years before ALIEN and so IF the Engineers etc arrive at Origae-6 after David gets there, then your looking at a 5-10 Year Likelihood of the Space Jockey Event prior to ALIEN.

The Company will get the Advent Message in the Year 2107 then for them to get to Planet 4 and LV-223 would take them like 10-12 Months (Depends on HOW FAST their Ships are... but this Based Off the Covenant/Nostromo Speeds.

And so a Year 2108 could be about the Right Time for when the Company would have Ships Turn Up at LV-223 and Planet 4.... and while they are in the Process of that..... The Engineers could then Turn Up.

 In "David's Lab - Last Signs of Life" Video, we can assume that the company could have recovered Facehugger eggs, Dead facehuggers, Facehugged company man on planet four and, therefore, we can thing they have the protomorph ready to BE evolved.

Here's the link of  "David's Lab - Last Signs of Life" video:

https://youtu.be/oLcUiIy_ghw

Since Prometheus, we know that exist on LV-223 lots of Engineers spaceships,  canisters of black goo and even a Deacon.

Joining these two findings, we can have a possible LV-426 scenario.

Prometheus Species Origin:

@BigDave

“For ME the Ideal Conclusion before we had the Prequels would be that the Space Jockey is a Bio-Mechanical Being, it has more in Common with the Xenomorph than a Humanoid, Mammal or any Organism......”

I agree. It would be one hell of an improvement on a suited Engineer.

The “snorkel” certainly looks odd, but it is very much in keeping with Giger’s bondage aesthetic that shows up in many of his pictures. The creature is bonded to the chair, and there’s no way out for it. The creature is defined by the chair and vice versa. Giger knows very well this symbiosis will discomfort the audience. For me, it induces claustrophobia.

I think a Problem we have NOW is that with the Revelations of Alien Covenant, in that it seems that PRIOR to the Year 2094 there are NO EGGS, not on LV-426 and likely NO Derelict Either.

The Origins of the Vanilla-Morph if you would is Indicated as being from Davids Experiments on Planet 4 at some Point 18-28 Years Prior to the events of ALIEN.

"explaining why organic species don't survive past leaving their home solar systems"

Seeing the Comic shows the Mural from Prometheus, it depends on HOW they are going to go about this, as SOME do think this Shows the Xenomorph, but its Actually to show the Deacon, and by that as Indicating that the ONE we saw that came from Dr Shaw is NOT the First One the Engineers have Interacted with.

Some had Speculated that the STAR MAPS were Placed as a TRAP.... it would be maybe a IDEAL WAY to Deal with the Threat of having your Creations become Space Fairing.... if you LEAVE them Clues to LV-223 then they MAY go and Explore this Place First... thinking its a INVITATION..

Then they would either Become Infected with the Horrors or take them back to their Planet to Study and then see this BECOME their Undoing!

I think that THIS is NOT the Best Way to Deal with us..... but then my Interpretations of the Prequels is Different to say like the Fire and Stone Comics.

It seemed to me that the Xenomorph and the Like are NOT a Main Focus or Agenda for the Engineers..............the Horrors of LV-223 being some UPSET Engineers Sub-Creation, wanting to Create just as we see David does on Planet 4.

I assume these Comics will take the Fire and Stone Stance... and show the LV-223 Engineers and well make their Emphasis/Agenda on the Xenomorphs.

Regarding HR Giger while we see HR Giger doing his Bio-Mechanical Style on all that he Works On, there are Elements in his ART that we see Influences on the Space Jockey which are some Twisted Bio-Mechanical Strange beings....

But there is that GOOD POINT regarding IF we saw the Space Jockey as Bio-Mechanical and Especially if Related to the Xenomorph.... and that would BE..

HOW CAN THE SPACE JOCKEY BECOME INFECTED!

So then i guess that leaves us with TWO OPTIONS.

1) Indication of a Bio-Mechanical Suit which we have seen in HR Gigers Concepts.

2) Interpretation that its a Organic Organism with a Trunk that is then Infused to the Chair with Various Wires etc... as Interpreted by some of those who Worked on some of the Comics from 90s.

I think the Franchise has Disappointed Some with HOW its Gone...

HR Gigers Aesthetic is Iconic.... some of the idea of Dan O'Bannon were Good but our Xenomorph is just NOT the STARBEAST.... not anymore..

This Mural was always Interesting it was Supposed to be Placed above the Egg Chamber and Over Each Section, where there would be a Contraption that would CREATE the Eggs.

HR Giger and Considered the SHIPS to be Grown, he also Suggested the Egg Chamber would Produce the Eggs... looking at his Mural then it seems to show a Xenomorph in the Shape of a Derelict, which you could Interpret this as the SHIP has a Genetic/Connection to the Xenomorph, it also seems to look like the SHIP would Produce the Eggs.

We have those Humanoids who Sacrifice themselves to the Xenomorph.....

The Idea that Starbeast has Evolved to, would indicate the Space Jockey Race had Created this Technology and the Ships, the Egg Chamber etc.....

But you could FLIP THIS.... by showing the Space Jockey/Engineer are Actually either a Enslaved Species or Created Species by something that Predates the Xenomorph....

You can Re-introduce the STARBEAST....

"I don't consider Prometheus/Covenant to be stupid."

Yeah i meant that some Fans were Disappointed and Especially with AC, but you will get this Problem with ANY kind of Movie they do in the Franchise... if we had Blomkamps Alien 5, it may have Pleased the Ripley Fans, a Big Proportion of the ALIENS Fans but then it would have Displeased those who liked Alien 3 or those who think you have to ACCEPT what we got on Screen and then ATTEMPT to FIX it rather than to REBOOT etc.

Alien Resurrection came about because they wanted another ALIEN Movie and they thought that WELL... with the Ending of ALIENS and ALIEN 3 there are NO-MORE of the Eggs, and also they had THINK of HOW do we bring back Ripley.

I would be TOTALLY against them Rebooting any of the Movies, Especially if its to GIVE US a Alternative Alien 3 etc... to bring back Ripley!.....

I would NOT be against a COMPLETE REBOOT though.... if its done as a ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE where you can have the Xenomorph, where the ALIEN Franchise as it Happened does-not Exist.... but were you could have the Xenomorph and the Weyland-Yutani Company (or introduce another) so we can VIEW this as a Alternative Universe which is HOW we should View the AVP Franchise and HOW i see the Comics.

IF we did get a Complete Reboot though.... i think it would be more of a Camerons Hive/Bug World... than being close to O'Bannons Original.. and i bet they would give us a RIPLEY but use a Different Actress....

I have always said and done MANY TOPICS about it..........

Regardless of the Franchise and Prequels... there is ONE QUESTION to Answer.

Was the DERELICT the ONLY such Ship that had a Egg Cargo?  If NOT then where have the others GONE.....     and so THIS is where you could take another ALIEN MOVIE.

Transmission Erased.

Alien covenant has great moments:

The annihilation of the Engineers by David 

The Neomorph cycle 

The Neomorph

The despise felt by David when he acknowledges the programmed boundaries  in Walter, a new android model.

The Neomorph queen Laid down on a table of David's lab.

The Facehugger egg 

The facehugger

The protomorph 

David regurgitating facehugger embryos, V - The Final Battle style

I don't consider Prometheus/Covenant to be stupid. It's interesting if I forget the Alien realities. I can't do that, unfortunately. So I'm watching it as an interesting demonstration of the path that can be taken. How everything can be turned around and remade.
I can never tell: Oh, that's how it was. But I'm curious to see what they come up with. Definitely more interesting RS ideas than the carnage in Aliens or the star pirates in Ressurection. So I'm curious. I'm just worried that Covenant 2 won't be realized anymore.

To your points. If Giger wasn't doing the design one might wonder about the mechanical elements on SJ. I wouldn't hesitate.

But I know Giger and I can find mechanical looking parts on Alien too see photo. He just couldn't and wouldn't do anything but biomechanoids. It was his style. Yes, we can find a lot of things in SJ. But as you so humorously pointed out, we have no idea what he looked like. At the time of Alien 1979. After that, in Prometheus it was Scott's intention to change everything

Giger was assigned to do a dead alien. And he did it in his own style, brilliantly. Biomechanoid style. But I wouldn't speculate on whether the creature was meant to be biomechanical. I take that as a consequence of Giger's style. But when it was attacked by the Facehugger, I'd consider it more of a living being. A life similar to ours.

The word bone is clear. If the three astronauts in room with SJ skeletons suspected anything, they'd say something. Not simply a corpse. And hint, "the bones are bent outwards". I think a Stegosaurus would look very bizarre. Armour on the back.

I take it all as an artist's statement. But it provided RS to do it another way. A different series. And those who take it seriously just have to take RS's explanation seriously. And adjust their idea of Derelict SJ and Alien.

Fortunately, I don't. But I'm waiting with interest to see if there's anything to the movie BUT NEVER CHANGE my view on Alien. 

Regarding the Space Jockey i think it does-not make a LOT of Sense as a Skeleton, ok it has a Rib-Cage but so does the Corridors and Walls of the Ship and these are NOT like Bone Color but a Grey Color.  They incorporated this Color (Grey) into the Space Jockey Suits in Prometheus.

Above we see the TOP ROW are some Fan Art on Speculating what the Space Jockey would look like, the TOP RIGHT design could Actually Work if the Snorkel was Shown to NOT be a Part of the Creature but it kind of looks like it, and we have the Glass/Helmet which is Present on the Concept by HR Giger but does-not appear in the PROP.

The Bottom TWO are from the Comics.....

From a Biological Standpoint its a BIT STRANGE for a Organism to have some TRUNK that then Attaches to its Lower Chest/Rib-cage.....  WHY?

Its just a Aesthetic Design.... maybe we are NOT supposed to Speculate about its Functionality.

However with the NOTION that what we have is a Space Suit then it makes PERFECT SENSE.

When i look at the Areas i have made Arrows and Circles and Compare to the Concept then these seem to IMPLY some Mechanical Connection to the Chair and NOT any Organic... the Areas of the JOINTS (the Yellow Arrows) do-not look like what you would Expect from Skeletal Joints.

When i look at HR Gigers Concepts for the Face Huggers and Mural i can see a Connection, like the Mural is a Evolution Design wise and the Space Jockey Concept is a Further Evolution/Change.

IF we take it as a Skeleton (as YES prior to HR Giger thats what we was Supposed to get) then the Wires etc must be Buried into the Skin and Attach to the Bone....

This may seem Bizarre but HR Gigers Style is Bizarre.... more Mechanical than the Organic Space Jockey that some see it as.....

For ME the Ideal Conclusion before we had the Prequels would be that the Space Jockey is a Bio-Mechanical Being, it has more in Common with the Xenomorph than a Humanoid, Mammal or any Organism......

This i FEEL would have FITTED WELL... but YES it would have Gone Against the Idea that O'Bannon had..... a Skeleton of a None Connected Species.

And WHILE we have the Bone Color of the Space Jockey (but also the Chair in Parts) and While the FACE (Minus Snorkel) and Rib-cage.... look like a Skeleton to a Degree..... and the Original Idea before HR Giger Designed the Space Jockey was a Skeleton...

Then People are Free to Interpret as such. ;)

1) AlienThe second best film I've ever seen (the first is a 1944 film specifically for me) I sometimes think it's the first. The story, the atmosphere, GIGER, Goldsmith's music.The cast. The best scifi of all time

2) Prometheus+Covenant combined. For showing what bizarreness can be invented. Hundreds of light years. May be thousands behind Alien.

3) Alien 3 director's cut. Admittedly boring and the setting sucks. The characters are useless. But on the plus side, it's not space Vietnam/Afghanistan.
4) Alien Ressurection. It's amazing how anyone can create such nonsense. At least I laughed at times and Alien/Ripley was hardcore.

5) Aliens. The worst nonsense. A mix of Vietnam War/Afghanistan (whatever) and Staship Troopers. Mind you, ST is a good movie I just care that they made Alien a bugs The best scifi of all time

2) Prometheus+Covenant combined. For showing what bizarreness can be invented. Hundreds of self-inflicted years behind Alien.

3) Alien 3 director's cut. Admittedly boring and the setting sucks. The characters are useless. But on the plus side, it's not space Vietnam/Afghanistan.
4) Alien Ressurection. It's amazing how anyone can create such nonsense. At least I laughed at times and Alien/Ripley was hardcore.

5) Aliens. The worst nonsense. A mix of Vietnam War/Afghanistan (whatever) and Staship Troopers. Mind you, ST is a fun movie I just care that they made Alien a bug.All that was missing was the wedding and the adoption of Newt. The priest could have been the queen. Or the rest of the androids. I've forgotten his name, just like I'm trying to forget the stupidity. 

btw AvP 1 is better than all Alien sequels. Its fun. 

I think the PROBLEM with the Franchise is the FIRST MOVIE had seemed to SET the Scene.... Frame the Franchise, and even the Final Product had gone through Changes compared to the ORIGINAL DRAFT.

There was a LOT of Mystery with ALIEN.

When we got Sequels and New Directors and Writers then you are Faced with the Franchise being Continued/Expanded in Ways that WONT PLEASE everyone.

I know MANY were Very Disapointed with ALIEN COVENANT but when you LOOK at it Deeper and theme Theme/Plot then things do START to make Sense as FAR as if we look back at ALIEN.

The ONLY PROBLEM will be the Size of the Space Jockey and Convincing People that the Derelict and Pilot have ONLY been on LV-426 for UP TO 10 YEARS........  Unless God Forbid..... TIME TRAVEL.

"What do you expect Covenant 2 to bring if it comes out. What should it bring to fit the last piece of the puzzle"

I think RS has hinted at the SET-UP.... there will be Returning Engineers at some Point, there will be incoming Human Ships (2-3), It seems that Potentially the FINAL PART of the Xeno-Jigsaw will be the Mechanical Element from a Synthetic.... this is Speculation.

It would seem that the Xenomorph of Davids will go through some Upgrades/Evolution and then these EGGS will get on-board the Derelict... which to me would INDICATE that a Engineer Ship would either.

1) Be taking them to LV-223 to Study but ONLY gets as FAR as LV-426

2) Have been Mass Produced/Engineered on LV-223 and then the Ship is about to LEAVE but it ONLY gets as FAR as LV-426

Look at this. If you stay near the statue (thats not my photo sadly) you can see mechanical elements. Giger. Thats all. 

TBiomechanoid

BigDave. Here's the problem. Giger was a genius. His entire work is incredible. BUT. He painted 99% of everything with pistol. And - Women, sex, anything as a mixture of MACHINE, SEX and DEATH. In the interview he says: I love women because in the future there's only sex and death and I'm afraid to die. Who doesn't? Technik symbolize future  death is destiny for any living organism and sex is joy in time between birth and death  this i reason for the mixture.  

So his genius in this regard (SJ) has backfired on him. I mean, I think it fooled the audience. They see the technical element and they're looking for a spacesuit. No. It's just that all Giger's ever created are BIOMECHANOIDS. That's what he called it.

So it's an illusion. Yes, that's what RS used when he made Prometheus. Giger wasn't looking for logic in design. Why would the ship's corridors look like giant bones? It makes the whole ship look like a bio-orgasm where the flesh has rotted away and the bones remain. You see. Even that would be an idea for an Alien universe movie.

After all, look at Alien. I saw his sculpture when Giger had an exhibition in Prague. So many parts of his body look mechanical. That's just Giger's design. And no one is speculating if Alien is in a spacesuit or mechanical.  A lot of these apparent hints about SJ and room with eggs are because people don't know Giger's entire body of work.

No, I'm not at all suggesting that the SJ is a astronaut. Dallas makes it clear. The bones are bent outward. It's all fossilized. It must have been here a long time.

Thebeggs. A creature like Alien could make it last. Look at the fog. The heat in an environment where the frost was well below zero.

That's why I don't even consider the egg room part of the ship. Yes, anything is possible. Alien vs Predator, King Kong vs Godzilla. But originally in the movie, it's an underground room. The feelings of similarity are again a result of Giger.

Btw did you see his concepts for Harkonen's fortress. Logic doesn't play a role in Giger's. And is also what made the (in my opinion crazy) idea of making SJ the pilot of the ship possible.as far as I could judge it is under the medical machine (CT tunnels are pretty big too. Radiation machines against cancer are also. What do we know about extraterrestrial technology?)

Yes, the comment about the facehugger being a manhunter is interesting. Until we remember the cow from Alien 3. Surely such a germ-laying creature has the skills to cope. He's on tour. Yes it probably wouldn't be able to infect a Tyrannosaurus but it may have only reacted to a warm blooded organism who knows. He really wouldn't have a problem with SJ.

Another idea, by the way. In examining the wreckage there should be an alien created from the crew of the derelict. Where did it go? Did he die? Question after question.

@Andy77

I see what you mean, yeah everyone is Entitled to Accept what they like as Canon or what is NOT ;)

And to be FAIR.... it was ONLY when i had ALIEN on DVD and had Seen the Concept Works of HR Giger and being able to STUDY the Space Jockey Scene in Detail as well as the Prop..... which is when it seemed to NOT be a Skeleton to me.

Prior to that the Head looked more Skeletal to me... but the Hose/Snorkel just looked ODD... i did think was this some kind of Breathing Device/Snorkel that attached to the Body then to Chair via the Body... which then it made me think well maybe the BODY apart from the Head is  a SUIT as it looked ODD for a Skeleton.

Maybe its a Not Quite Humanoid in a Space Suit, or then even a Bio-Mechanical being like the Xenomorph?   The Problems come from the COLOR... it looks like BONE but then so we ask is a Large Part of the Chair also BONE?

But in the late 90's when i Studied the SJ and Concepts then to me i was thinking so its a Bald 13ft Humanoid in the Chair... and when we get to the Prequels they went for the same Concept (HR Giger).

But IF we threw all the Movies Out apart from ALIEN and you ONLY go by the Movie so you IGNORE ALL the Comments by Production etc, Drafts and Concepts then the Space Jockey is something that YES i think MOST would have seen as a SKELETON...

I would have LIKED if it was down to me to have seen the SJ as a Bio-Mechanical Entity, there are Drawings/Art by HR Giger where he has Entities like the SJ in them and so i think thats WHAT the Space Jockey should be...

I Totally Agree that WITHOUT the Designs by HR Giger then ALIEN would NOT have been as Iconic as it is.

"The facehuggers are meant for 5 to 7 foot humanoids"

They Certainly seemed to Suit a Host that had a Head like a Human, i would say they would be able to Face Hug a Humanoid between 4-8ft Ideally, but then in ONE of the ALIEN 3 Cuts we are shown that a COW was Face Hugged.

So this does-not mean its Limited to Humanoids but i would think that it would STRUGGLE and not be Efficient with Certain Organisms depending on their Head Size etc.  So it would seem to make sense that they was DESIGNED to Infect a Specific Species and well Humanoids like Engineers even up to 10ft would be something a Face Hugger could Grasp/Wrap around.

So to Infect a 13-15ft Being would be Hard... Never-mind a 21ft+ as some still Consider the Space Jockey as.....

But we have to Remember that the Movies can have FLAWS.... there are things we have to OVERLOOK...

So we have to ACCEPT a Face Hugger could Infect our Space Jockey as above....

Another GOOD POINT is the Eggs being Dormant... they are Organic and the Face Hugger is too, and so it makes more SENSE that they have been on LV-426 for Decades, or Centuries but as FAR as Thousands of Years that would seem ODD but the Egg Chamber and maybe Myst could ACT as some kind of Suspended Animation for them?  Like a Giant Cryo-Pod.

BigDave, my opinion is. Giger = Alien. Without him, the film would be forgotten. Let's just say someone else would have been in of the design. And the monster or the derelict would look like this. Who would remember that? It would be just one of many space monster movies. The best script, idea and direction are useless unless they're well visualized. Without Giger, this movie wouldn't be a cult.

MonsterZero,
I agree with letting RS continue his version of the Alien origin explanation. I agree that it's very interesting. It allows those viewers who want clarity to get their bearings.
Besides, it's an interesting thema. Humanity as a creation of another civilization. Dilems creator versus creation. David's attempt to create a new being. I'll just have this reservation. None of this was in the original script or in the thoughts of either O Bannon or RS.

But that's okay. What strikes me are these questions.
1) Why doesn't the Covenant team use spacesuits on an alien planet and behave worse than visitors to the wilderness where are poisonous snakes and beasts. In Africa, for example. They go there like a walk in the park.

I don't understand what kind of group of people David bombed. It looked like some kind of splinter group, a sect that lives outside of mainstream civilization. Like the Amish. Can we expect to meet the creators or does RS mean that David wiped out everyone? Bizarre notion.

Your reasoning about Alien as a means of killing people is incomprehensible to me. Such a complicated system when Creator can use bomb like the one David dropped on that town. The only way the Aliens could wipe out humanity is if, like Godzilla, they survived a nuclear bomb. The lAliens would have less of a chance against Earth's military than, say, the Taliban. We already have drones, perfect weaponry. The Alien is great for a spaceship where the crew has harpoons and homemade flamethrowers. Not on the battlefield. The Alien version of JC who gets shot by combat rifles.

Whatever Scott wanted to do to close his Alien picture, he probably wouldn't be able to do it. Covenant 2 has been postponed to an unknown time, and RS is at an age that doesn't allow for big plans. If it ends up being a Covenant storyline, it's possible to make own theories. No certainty.

By the way. You accept the version where RS presents Alien as an artificial creation. How do you feel about the possibility of connecting the Alien and Predator universes. I mean, the Predator tech civilization uses Aliens as test animals. So the Predators could be the ones who worked with the Aliens. If we're going to use a lot of fsntasia.

What do you expect Covenant 2 to bring if it comes out. What should it bring to fit the last piece of the puzzle.

If you have the time and inclination, write me your version of the puzzle, the history of Alien. I mean the events in the movies before Alien as it fits together. Thank you.

MonsterZero,
You're a man who accepts an alien universe. I mean, all parts, including the new RS movies. And you're thinking about it. You accept it as a gradual reveal. Both into the future (Aliens...Alien R ) and into the past. (Prometheus, Covenant). Okay that's your approach and it makes sense. You're looking for how it all connects. You're trying to make it one big whole that's clear. I mean, the basics.

That's not my approach. For me, Alien began with flight of Nostromo and ended when Ripley fell asleep. Anything created after that has nothing to do with it.

I'll give you an example. King Kong. A great monster from 1933 (?). Godzilla. Amazing monster from 1954. They have beginnings and endings. Godzilla is killed by a substance that dissolves the cells released by the scientist in the water below. Kong kills himself by falling off a skyscraper. Each at a different time in a different place.

Successful movies. And so many Godzillas and many King Kongs were made. And someone thought. Okay, it'll be great to have them fight each other. MDe movie. First in Japan now US version.but with King Kong and Godzilla movies has nothing to do  

That's exactly how the other Alien movies are working for me. Not just AvP, but ALL of them.

So yes, if you accept what's in the other Alien movies you're undoubtedly right. To me what is outside the original film is irrelevant. Let whoever makes whatever they want. But yes, I'd love to see it. However, anything that contradicts (like swapping an alien skeleton for a spacesuit) I ignore. I don't care. It doesn't answer the questions for me. Just like the plot of AvP. But I like to watch.

BigDave

The advantage of Alien is that in the confusion in making movie gives room for imagination. So it's an advantage especially for directors who want to cash in on the success of others.

I think if Ripley had died, there would have been a way to make a sequel. It's just that the film fascinated a lot of people.
It's ironic that Cameron only made such nonsense (Aliens) because Alien offered unprecedented possibilities. And yet JC was the one who wanted to make a splash. I mean, look at me, there won't be another one Alien. And as we know, there was. And there certainly will be. Whatever.
I love a mystery, and Alien is great when it stays one. I mean, I don't want to know the details. Explanation. In past I wanted. Not today. Alien is absolutely perfect the way it is.
Ship and cave

The artificial "cave" in which the egg is found and spaceship are the same view? I mean that many people doesn't care so much about the resemblance. They enjoy it as a thing of beauty.
I wouldn't change anything about Alien. Maybe one little thing. Ripley's sentence about guns in the context of Alien. It's meaningless. But even that doesn't matter.
Movies that have to explain open endings of another movies bother me. Yes, The Thing ended for me with both of them standing in ruins. In fact, I've forgotten what the stupidity of the prequel was all about. And it's good.
Giger made something that's gonna be a hit. Even if we do fly among the stars, Alien will not be forgotten.

Hello, @BigDave. I think the Writer of Marvel Alien Comics, Phillip Kennedy Johnson, wants it to BE part of the cannon, like the movies. He loves the prequels and you can hear it why in this podcast, witch i leave you the link below.

For instance, before these Marvel Alien Comics, they ONLY consider three Alien Comics worthy of being movies:

-Aliens: Salvation 

-Alien: Labyrinth 

-Alien: Dead Orbit 

These are three amazing Comics, That easily could be the scripts of Alien movies.

https://s180.podbean.com/p nob/52aa174c6cfa6bd41f0c845e2c48ae09/61365c45/data2/fs34/1031451/uploads/PO_ep_171_for_upload7pewh.mp3?pbss=0a393ce5-b328-5d63-b9ed-271fa8bb67ca

Here's the resume of the podcast episode:

The first six issues of Phillip Kennedy Johnson's run on Marvel's Alien are officially out! Join Patrick and Christian as they chat with Phillip about Gabriel Cruz, the Alpha, that Giger-esque women/alien hybrid, liberation-minded synthetics, "cleansing fire," and so much more.

Phillip also gives our listeners a first look at where the comic is going next, including some very exciting news about a new protagonist, a new setting, and some new nightmares.

".....the DERELICT/SPACE JOCKEY.."

That works for me. 

the "..Egg Chamber"

does not and will always confuse me.

If David planted the eggs. then it works. The eggs are fresh and new...not thousands of years old and somehow haven't fossilized.

Plus.... The facehuggers are meant for 5 to 7 foot humanoids, anything bigger ( or different head shape )render them useless. Clearly they were designed to murder humans.....A 13 foot SPACE JOCKEY would laugh at such a tiny bug.

Instead of an egg chamber, make the derelict a passenger ship. Fill it with the fossilized remains of pilgrims on their way to worship. The passengers could have Eggmorphed....( but I would still dump the whole egg nonsense)

Well i could NOT have PUT it any better than HOX has, as that was the same as my Reply would have been...

As FAR as the Prometheus goes it was Traveling at about 19X the Speed of Light, as we go on in the Franchise then Ships Get Faster..... the Nostromo could Travel at 47X the Speed of Light.  The Sulaco like 780X (give or take).

The Covenant  about 33X the Speed of Light.

I Consider Comics as Alternative Cannon...... i will be doing more so with MARVELS work.  Mainly they would CONFLICT the Last Alien Movie (AC).

The Ideas could have WORKED for me.... IF say Alien Covenant had NEVER been Made.

"If Covid 19 was neomorph spore based..."

Well this would have been ME by NOW then ;)

Anyway Andy77 i Understand where your coming from....

Your looking at the Vision of Dan O'Bannon's idea, which YES i am sure when he had Envisioned and Wrote his Work that became Starbeast it was NOT set up for a Sequel but a STAND ALONE Movie.

Which is maybe WHY we did have RS suggest their be NO SURVIVORS apart from the ALIEN itself.   The Story did Leave some Mystery though...

1) More about WHAT became of the ALIEN Civilization.

2) What becomes of that World after.. as its STILL there with the Pyramid, Eggs/Spores.

The Space Jockey (well who became it) was just a Footnote at this Stage.

So it NEVER had a ENDING that would SEAL the Option for Sequels, the First Movie to do this was ALIENS.  Which seemed to Indicate that thats the END of the Derelict and Cargo!

which then Led to Alien 3 to come up with a WAY to get the Xenomorph back that was Riddled with Plot Holes and then came another END... which then Alien R came along to give us the Xenomorph again in a WAY that makes Little Sense. These came about because the STUDIO thought you need RIPLEY.

But i think O'Bannon had made his STORY to be much like the THING... at the END of the THING we are left with McReady and Childs as the Survivors... it was LEFT a Mystery to what Happens Next....  is ONE the THING? Does ONE go and KILL the other Thinking they are the THING?  Are NONE the THING and they will both Freeze to Death?  Or do they have a Happy Ending....

It was left to be Unknown....... We then had the EVENTS that Happened Prior to the Movie as FAR as WHAT had Happened to the Norwegian Camp, was also a MYSTERY..... but ONE which they Attempted to Address with the Prequel.. (should have left it a Mystery).

And so i dont think O'Bannon had ever thought there would be SEQUELS... and i know some ALIEN FANS, would rather had seen ALIEN become just a STAND ALONE.

So Andy77 i think you view is looking at HOW the Movie had Changed from the IDEA that its Creator had (Dan O'Bannon) i know he was HAPPY and Wanted to have HR Giger in to Design the ALIEN.... but he was NOT a Fan of making the Derelict Ship and the PLACE where the Eggs/Spores were Stored as being CONNECTED.

He Felt the Derelict and its Pilot should have been a Separate/Unconnected Race to the ALIEN SPORES that were in the Pyramid.  He also wanted to see the Egg Morph Scene included.

But the STUDIO had Purchased the Script.... it then went through some Changes and then RS had liked the Work of HR Giger and had him come in to Design the Pilot, the Derelict and the Egg Storage Chamber.... which then all had that SAME kind of Aesthetic... so a Connection was MADE.

Where the Studio and RS then Decided the Story would Evolve to take into Account of that Connection and THUS the Eggs became a Creation of the Space Jockey but it was NEVER shown On-Screen.

So all that Mainly Carried over (apart from PLOT) was the LIFE-CYCLE and ACID BLOOD of the ALIEN.  The Pilot/Ship and its Role had been Changed, the Location of the Eggs and their Role had been Changed.

Maybe HR Giger should have Designed the Egg Chamber and the ALIEN and then for the Derelict/Pilot they should have USED someone else.... but for me the DERELICT/SPACE JOCKEY and Egg Chamber are the MOST ICONIC Scenes of the Franchise.......a ENIGMA (The Face Hugger, Chest Buster and First Time we see our ALIEN too) ... until the Prequels.

The LAST IMAGE goes to show that IF the Bottom of the Derelict was Extended Out as so, then the Egg Chamber would FIT fine ;)

You have that the wrong way round. On a very fast moving ship (let’s say 99.99% the speed of light), the occupants would age very little from our perspective. From their perspective, we would age much more quickly. It’s the classic Twins Paradox in relativity. A twin who travels very far very fast will come home to find his sibling long dead.

We don’t know how quickly the Narcissus was moving with respect to Earth, but it was described as “drifting” at the start of Aliens. So maybe time dilation didn’t play much of a part in Ripley’s ageing process. It’s quite possible that the hypersleep chamber, the “old freezerinos” just slowed down her metabolism to next to nothing. 57 years in chill might not be that long.

By the way, there’s no such thing as time expansion, but time dilation is very real.

I agree and i think, one way or the other (Marvel Alien Comics or Alien FX TV Series), that is what we are going to see. An horde of millions (billions) of Xenomorphs/Neomorphs commanded by something with the purpose of extinguish entire engineer subspecies spreaded across galaxies.

The nemeses of the engineers were their own creations and humans, as an engineers subspecies, have the same fate.

Playing God is synonym of extinction.

PS: there are only subcreations of something that already exists.

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a37377867/prometheus-movie-defense-essay/

https://screenrant.com/ways-alien-covenant-good-prequel-movie/

300 years of xenomorph attacks and maybe as little as 100 humans have died?

To produce a xeno, you have to stick your head into the opening of an egg. It's just to tedious.

The spores from Alien:Covenant or black goo are great ideas and I would run with them.

If Covid 19 was neomorph spore based...then we'd get some action! Earth would soon become the planet of the xeno. Captain trips like.

Earth dealing with a billion neomorphs would be something I'd read.

Yes, but in the Alien universe their FTL causes time expansion, not time dilation, right?

This explains why they have to be in hyper sleep.  If they were not, the subjective duration of their voyage would be decades, while to an outside observer, only about 2.5 years would pass.  It doesn't matter for David, because he does not age. But the rest of the crew would age tremendously. And the faster they push their FTL, the longer their subjective duration is. That is what keeps an upward boundary on how fast they can go.  Even asleep, their ship can't sustain them forever. As I understand it, that was also the reason that Ripley's daughter only aged at a normal rate while she was asleep on the Nostromo.  But when Ripley went into hypersleep aboard the sublight lifeboat, she did not age, while her daughter aged another 65 years or so and died of cancer before Ripley could ever see her again. 

FTL time expansion makes it a lot easier to explain the Alien universe and its passage of time. It keeps the problem of aging confined to the ship's crew, rather than applying to all of the outside observers, and pretty much lets everyone age almost in parallel, although I guess if you spent all of your career in hypersleep, you would age less than everybody else. 

 Xenomorphs are the bioweapons of the Universe. They are used to Control the plagues born on planets and that spread across the galaxies, like US, humans. The Engineers are the Gardeners of the Universe, with the mission of wipe out the nasty Weeds, maintaining the order and the natural balance, as well, containing and stopping chaos.

Like US, Engineers had faced in the past an extinction event based on Xenomorph creation technology, Impossible to harness to their Will.

Every species, or subspecies, can face her own demise, because, the bigger and stronger they get, the bigger and stronger is the opponent.

Remember that every creation tends to destroy his creator.

"Because I wasn't offered it. They just made a sequel that featured my characters without asking me or making a copyright deal with me. They don't even mention my name anymore. But maybe that's a good thing - there's nothing to lose with crappy movies."

That is awesome! Giger is the franchise. 

Gives me impetus to complete my A L I E N I I script.

So I read an interview with Giger where he mentions Aliens. Apparently, he feels the same way I do about the movie.

You're best known as the father of Alien, for which you won an Oscar in 1980. You also worked on Poltergeist 2, Species and Dune. How did you get into film in the first place?

I've worked on documentaries before. In 1971, F.M. Murer and I made the documentary Passagen, the first part of which was set in the London docks. He actually brought me to the film. I had a great time working with Ridley Scott on Alien.

Why weren't you involved in the second part of it?

Because I wasn't offered it. They just made a sequel that featured my characters without asking me or making a copyright deal with me. They don't even mention my name anymore. But maybe that's a good thing - there's nothing to lose with crappy movies.

"xenomorphs being bioweapons"

100 percent agree.

"....sufficiently advanced civilization..."

Xenomorphs are hardly a threat to even 20th century humans....(Maybe unarmed ones).

Nukes, shotguns, logic traps would make short work of xenomorphs.

22nd, 23rd century tech!? forget about it.

Marvel is gonna have to step up their game.