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@BigDave

I will take your silence at the fact that Sir Ridley Scott's RETCON in both prequals either means you art politely ignoring my frustrations with these film, as with the millions of other movie goers stating the very same thing...

In fact I find it incredible that even though I quote Sigorney Weaver and she stated that the prequels that RS made in fact were done on purpose to not improve the franchise but to stab at it slowly.

Word is on the street RS and Sigourney, with some other great actors, once made a movie called Alien.

Truth be told RS RETCONed both these prequels so bad they make no sense....even in the continuity between just two films.

BigDave honestly at this point I like parts of the Alien films, most of them, and have no problem with making other films as long as we can all agree....RS sabotaged these productions big time to get back at Fox! Its beyond obvious.

Also, I want to add in no way does anything that I have stated in this post take away for any of the brilliant ideas posted here....this is what great story telling is all about, the sharing of ideas. I do not consider anyone here unfriendly or intolerant of reason; however, I believe it foolish of us to all try and build on a false foundation only to detract from the original cannon and vision of these masters, the director, actors, set designers, the design from where the Alien came from, and all the wonderful people that contributed to that film we call Alien!

I would never want to go up to a painting in the Louvre and just start adding my own paint...that is someone else's artwork.

Believe me I like to be creative and I am just as creative as anyone here. You all will most likely hate this but I always thought it would have been much better to mix Blade Runner with the Alien franchise....Yep you heard that right! 

Absolutely Amazing Contribution Black-Ant

Totally Agree ;)

"How things can be done after Alien???....there were no real films done after Alien"

I can understand the Frustration... but the Franchise is NOT owned by Ridley Scott, and so whoever owns the Rights are FREE to do what they like... even if that ENDS up being Movies that are TOTALLY not as ALIEN as the Original.

We have to remember that the Vision of RS does change over time.

At the Time of ALIEN then RS had saw potential with the Xenomorph beyond what it Evolved to in the Sequel, he even wanted to see Ripley killed and the Xenomorph Impersonate her.  FOX however saw they should keep the Survivor (Ripley) Alive.... they maybe knew if you did a Sequel you could have her back.

So we got what we got, but RS had commented on the Xenomorph as that it was Hiding Away to DIE as it had Performed its Task (Egg Morph).

Ridley Scott had wanted to go back to the ALIEN and to Explore what KIND of World it came from, what would this WORLD had looked like.   Even after ALIENS he had saw there was more Potential with the Xenomorph than it was portrayed in ALIENS..

In the 1990's we did see the Xenomorph become USED in Comics, Novels and Games which inc AVP...  so we became Accustomed to them.. where there Portrayal was something that is likely TOTALLY different to what RS would have shown.

Indeed with Alien R and AVP i think RS had felt that the Beast was Cooked....

When we get to Prequel Territory what we have is that it seems that RS sees there are other things to the Franchise aside to Ripley and Xenomorphs... 

There was a Point where RS had Concluded that the Xenomorph was merely either a Engineered Experiment, a Designed Killing Machine, or it was a Coincidence of Experiments that were intended as Bio-Logical Warfare.

And so for him it was about EXPLORING who the Space Jockey was and to then OPEN UP the Franchise to be Explored in a way that you can have more DEPTH and Steer Away from ALIEN and Xenomorphs.

The Engineers Plot came about from this... because if you are to Explore the Space Jockey as a Giant (None-Humanoid) Alien Life-Form with those Bio-Logical Weapons.

Its then HOW do you have Humans end up in Contact with them?  By pure Coincidence... by tracing from the Derelict other Worlds the Space Jockey have been on?

What Reason do they have  the EGGS for who are they at Conflict with?

We could have explored TWO very ALIEN Races where Humans get caught in the Middle but it would have been like Independence Day vs War of the Worlds vs Humans.

Certainly WHAT we began to get is NOT as ALIEN or Surreal as when we FIRST saw the Space Jockey and there could have been more HP  Lovecratian Ideas explored.  And to had delved into the Interpretations that HR Giger had....

But ALAS.

But these could be introduced if we EXPLORE some other Species that are BEYOND the Engineers... to in effect bring back the STARBEAST ;)

@MonsterZero

I like some of those ideas ;)

Certainly the Reliance on a Host is a PITFALL for the Xenomorph... No Hosts then eventually all that remains would be Dormant Eggs.

Removing the Xenomorphs need for a Host would mean that they would NOT need to Attack for Procreation.   And so the Pheromone Idea is Interesting..  Even its from the Point that the Military can Inject or Drink such Pheromone that would then RENDER them as a NONE threat to the Xenomorphs so they would NOT attack the Marines.

Also indeed to a Military i think the Space Jockey Tech would be VERY interesting to them.

"You of all people should know better and it is such an insult for you to stand up in this forum and demand that we try to fix the impossible"

I think it depends on what we would Consider the Impossible, i agree that after ALIEN what became of the Sequels are likely to be QUITE different to what RS would have done, and i think the Prequels had opened up other Avenues that to Revolve around Eggs.

I in part made this Topic in  Light of the Alien V Project that Giler and Hill are working on that seems to be SIMILAR to the Project that Blomkamp had been working on.

Which both are a Alternative Sequel to ALIENS, so that Alien 3 and Alien R are considered to either be Alternative Canon or Dreams.  My Personal Opinion is you can have a NEW set of ALIEN Movies where you DONT have to bring back Ripley or you go for  a Continuation of Ripley 8 Story.

But this Topic comes down to that Hill and Giler seem to think that the Franchise needs another ALIEN Movie in which they seem to think that you HAVE to bring Ripley back and well WRITE OFF the Sequels to ALIEN as Dreams so they maybe think (as Blomkamp did) that to KILL OFF our Ripley in Alien 3 was not the best thing.

So it was to Gauge what Fans who take Part would have done with a Sequel to ALIENS.. be it as though Alien 3 was never made and be it that the Sequel would have gone ahead in 1990, 1995, 2000 or even 2010 etc.

I CHOOSE the Title Gamma for a Number of Reasons, the First is that Gamma stands for 3 or 3rd in the Greek Alphabet (If i was to have been asked to come up with a ORIGIN Movie i think Alien Alpha would have been a ideal name).

So Gamma is essentially like a Alternative Alien 3

Plot Wise the idea i would have gone for would have been 10 Years after ALIENS (but it could be 5, 10, 12, 20 or 25).

The Company (or other Faction/Company) go back to LV-426 and they RECOVER the Derelict in a attempt to GAIN the Xenomorph Once again....

They have LITTLE success  with this due to the Radioactive Fall Out of the Destruction of Hadleys Hope and so the Derelicts Cargo has suffered due to GAMMA Radiation (2nd reason for the Gamma Title).

so we can see Hideous Failed Experiments, Mutations, and Processes of them TRYING to Extract the DNA and having some Success by Merging it with other Organisms so that the Xenomorph DNA can Bond to these and GIVE the Company a means to Try and Get a Xenomorph as the Eggs are DUD... few that Survived produce Mutants that soon Dissolve.

But by mixing the DNA with other Organisms and then Humans we get a more VIABLE Organism that is a HYBRID and we introduce the Egg Morph method of Procreation.

The Company could also then realize within the Xenomorph DNA there are Applications for the Traits of the Xenomorph.

You could USE the idea to Explore the Companies (or other Factions) Agenda more in Detail to WHAT they hope to Achieve.  You could look at what BENEFIT the Xenomorph has beyond being a Space Bug that can be used to KILL Stuff.

So with such a PLOT you can do what RS had Suggested.. which is to Evolve/Change the Beast, rather than stick to what we had seen...

I think we DONT need to have a Ripley.... Certainly NOT if we had such a PLOT as another What Happened after ALIENS.... so that Alien 3 and Alien R could remain Canon.

But if we was looking at a Sequel to ALIENS if say it was the 90's when your thinking about WHERE to take the Franchise then YES you likely would have had to have Ripley back... but i feel you could Change the Xenomorph a little.

@BigDave: If the original director's cut is anything to go by, eggs are formed from those the xenomorph killed.  So are we to assume this was also the case for all the eggs left sitting in the Derelict on LV-426?  If so, what species had the eggs here been morphed from? Were they morphed from the Engineer race we saw in Prometheus or Covenant by this larger Space Jockey race, and was the creature that killed them to kickstart this process the more beaked-one we saw on the mural?

Shoe horning a story while trying to make the other movies into a dream demonstrates lazy writing and an attempt to ignore what has been created. If they can't work what is already out there, they probably have no good ideas and should work on something else.

That was my teaser for Alien V, as a direct sequel to Aliens and Alien Covenant.

Ripley would not survive in the end.

Ripley is in the middle of a cryogenically-induced nightmare. She is kicking xenomorph asses in her sleep, aboard Sulaco, adrift in space.  After more nightmares with inmates and xenomorph ass kicking we see Sulaco escorted by a Juggernaut. We see the pilot of the Juggernaut. David. More rugged than on planet 4. Depressed. He barely escaped from Origae 6, after the engineers unleashed hell over the xenomorph camp he established  All xenomorphs, dead. All xenomorph eggs loaded by engineers on their Juggernauts. All his plans to rule the galaxies ruined. He barely escaped on a Juggernaut where the pilot was overcome by a group of xenomorphs. It happened so long ago that he himself cannot tell if it was just a dream. He tries to remember his favourite poem about Ozymandias, but fails. He lost it. He needs maintenance. The Juggernaut, no matter how advanced technologically, can't help it. 

And then he saw a ship from Earth. Sulaco. He managed to dock and get onboard. Three humans in cryosleep. He scans the pods. The woman, named Ripley, is having nightmares. And something more. A new form of life. In her chest. Somehow familiar. He smiles. My queen.  You're back.

David then returns to the other 2 pods. A man and a little girl. They could only stand between him and the woman. It's better if they never wake up. It has to look like an accident. Pods sometimes malfunction. Flames burst inside. And it's over.

He wonders who is in charge of WY now. He needs a little maintenance. He needs to wake up Ripley. In his early years he would have investigated her more carefully. Not anymore. It was easy with Shaw and Daniels. With Walter. Even with the colonists. Like so.

@daliens

Great quote....but I think you understand now how contradictory and elaborate the movies plots were that he effectively was messing with the studio the entire time....too bad the audience really did not get it; but, I guess they finally did right because after Alien Covenant they just do not want to see these films any more....even the people at Disney are looking at the entire thing going lock all the films in the vault so they cannot even show these any more again in the theaters.....Disney locked the films in the vault. No one can even screen them even if they want to pay to do it....why do you think that is??? Cause Disney is killing the entire pile of dribble off...there is never going to be another movie made....they are onto RS and what he did to Fox studios and they want nothing to do with it either.  

The Xeno is really cooked for good this time....

@hox

Seriously!!!!

How things can be done after Alien???....there were no real films done after Alien.

Aliens is a stand alone and so is Alien 3, after that its just RS getting really clever at how bad he can make these films....he cashes the check and the studio loses money....he stopped caring about these films decades ago...read this little ditty right here about what he thought about the franchise when they introduced AVP....effectively destroying the franchises original direction and art.

Actress Sigourney Weaver, who played Ellen Ripley -- one of the most iconic, kickass sci-fi characters of all time -- in four Alien flicks, says not only that Alien vs. Predator (2004) killed the character of Ripley, but that it also prevented original Alien director Ridley Scott from helming another Alien movie.

When she was asked at London Film and Comic-Con that took place over the weekend if it was her decision to have Ripley killed off in Alien 3, Weaver said: "Well, yes – because I heard that Fox was gonna do Alien vs. Predator. Which really depressed me because I was very proud of the movies."

"I’ve nothing against building a movie on a videogame, but at the time it was, as [Aliens director] Jim Cameron said, I think publicly, 'Why would you want to do that?'" Weaver recalled. "It’s like making Alien meets the Wolfman."

Not only did Sigourney Weaver hate the movie, directed by Paul W.S. Anderson, that pitted the Xenomorph aliens created by the late H. R. Giger against the bounty-hunting Predators from Predator (1987) in a less-than-epic crossover, but she also claims that the movie (which was already in development in 1991 -- and yep, it took 13 years to bing AvP to the big screen) stopped Ridley Scott from making another Alien flick.

"In fact, Ridley Scott was about to direct a third one, until this was announced, and he dropped out," she said, "because he also wanted to do an Alien sequel."

The Alien 3 directing gig went to David Fincher instead, with a fourth movie, Alien: Resurrection, being helmed by Jean-Pierre Jeunet. Ridley Scott only returned to the world he created in 1979 with Prometheus, the 2012 Alien movie prequel. "I think it caused more problems than it was worth," Weaver added.

You read all that right they hated the films and it destroyed the franchise.....Weaver then says the two films were rammed up Fox studio's tail pipe! Where have you all been...she even admits that he messed up Fox's Franchise on purpose. Now you are starting to understand and get it....it was about the first movie and the money.

You do know what the word continuity means right....there is none....its all been an elaborate flop for FOX....right Ridley never puts up his own money to finance these films....why is that? You and all the other fanboys are so smart dont you think he could.

Read this one too!

Scott was wanting to explore heady themes of meeting and challenging one's creator.

To achieve this, he basically ignored everything that had happened in the franchise since his 1979 original, with the biology on show directly contradicing the queen reproduction and hive mind shown in Aliens onwards (and a popular David-Space Jockey theory would have even seen him retcon Alien itself).

It is all gone man let it go...Scott did a long time ago. He is just making joke films at your expense.

I think it's been suggested by the cover page of Alien V draft, in the two quotes below:

In space no one can hear you dream.

All that we see or seen, is but a dream within a dream.

                                  Alien III

Year: 2185

Where: Mars Colony Red

Notes* Gravity on Mars will be Earth like, due to gravity controlled plating(like used on a starship). Lower gravity outside a structure.

                     (Film budget: 22.5 million)

Plot summary(short)

The crew of the Sulaco arrive at Mars where they find the military are genetically modifying alien lifeforms.

Plot summary(long):

The Sulaco returns to the Earth system(late 2179), it arrives at the planet Mars, the crew of 5 is unloaded and relocated to a Weyland Yutani Space Station.

The crew of five consist of: Ripley, Newt, Hicks, Bishop and  York(a synthetic replica of the Ash line)

York has monitored(and recorded)what happened on LV-426. He returns the info to Mars Red Team. They use the info to return to LV-426, raiding the derelict for Ovomorphs and advanced tech.

The director of the Mars team tells York to destroy the crew. Unable to do this, York hides the 4 cryosleepers in storage and with MUTHER's help, closes their case files and marks them as TERMINATED. A message to this affect is relayed to the director who is satisfied.

York smuggles Newt to the surface of Mars, where he raises her like a daughter.  He assigns her a new identity.

5 years later he smuggles Hicks, assigning him a new identity also. Hicks gets a job(janitor) related to the director and monitors what they are doing with the alien tech.

2 years later they wake Ripley and transport her to Mars. 

She wants to know why they did not wake her! Let her raise Newt and expose the company! York tells her it would have been to complicated, hiding her and Newt would have problematic, Hicks agrees. Ripley would have gotten them killed twice over.

York explains the ten thousand plus military force they will have to bypass to stop the Directorate.

He explains the military have bypassed the queen and ovomorph stage, no longer requiring a humanoid host! They have reduced the life cycle to a bag of nutrients that the baby xenomorphs live in until maturity. The life cycle can be triggered with electricity. Hicks estimates they have millions of theses embryos ready to go.

York continues: With MUTHER's and Hick's help, he has gained access to much of the critical systems running the complex. He thinks it is time to shut down the project.

The directorate has modified the xeno to attack a certain pheromone/heat type signature...they are( mostly) harmless to many humans.

Colonial Marines regularly train with xenos in Martian caves.

Some tests pit armed political prisoners against the xeno/marine combo. The prisoners have unknowingly inhaled and have drank doctored air/water. This highlights their threat to the xenomorph, as the prisoners sweat and breath the xeno attracting molecules. 

Scene: Two marines and one xeno track five heavily armed prisoners, the marines stand by as the xeno eventually kills and devours the five prisoners.

Using alien technology recovered from the  LV-426 derelict, the directorate has created a force field tech and have made it wearable! They are nearly invincible to most projectile weapons.

Scene: The head directorate(Gary Oldman)stands face to face with a xenomorph as it fires it’s inside jaw into the force field.   The test is a success!

Sorry, that's just a series of rambling dislikes. There is internal logic to the movies, even if you don't like them. And nobody knows how things are going to turn out if and when David gets to Origae-6.

But, to the matter at hand... this thread is about how things could have been done differently after Aliens.

I don't know if this has been suggested, but it would be fun to see Ripley on the Sulaco squirming in hypersleep, with Alien 3 / Resurrection just turning out to be a cryogenically-induced nightmare.

It's frustration at this point but dont take my word for it Hox...ask RS for yourself....you saw what he did to Prometheus.....how he scuttled the ship figuratively and literally. We find out in Prometheus when David goes into the Juggernauts pilot room, turning on the map, the engineers are headed for Earth to wipe it out....do you know how bad that complicates the Franchise....that is how inept and corrupt the Fox executives were. They could not even screen the production correctly.....they cut the budget all right and effectively destroyed RS art in effect a very bad slap in the face essentially destroying his work in Alien.

Think about that for a moment....the mess with the script then he puts that elaborate map scene in with David...even Weyland's daughter says you cut me off when he goes in the room. The significance of the engineers going back to earth to destroy it is alluding to the fact that the executives at Fox destroyed RS art and life long work in these films. 

It makes no sense that the Engineers first of all even know about us....originally Alien was about and alien civilization using bio-mechanical war machines in the form of Xenomorphs to wipe out and destroy their enemies. 

Then he takes David's character and has David be the creator of the Xenomorph because hey why not.....I think David found the instructions on the back of a candy wrapper in Fox studios somewhere and I think that is where the Engineers found the instructions how to make and study the Xenomorph and to make us all at the same time....

Yep all this time you never thought about that right.....David finds evidence of the Engineers all being wiped out by the Xenomorphs in Promethous....RIGHT!!! Yep even one of the engineers gets his head cut off running through the door just like the budget to the film......you know how crazy it is to have the Engineers being killed by Xenomorphs if David has not made  them yet and we are watching him in the process of doing it in Alien Covenant!!!!!!!! In space no one can hear you scream right well after watching these two films it is all you can do....because for those of us that understand how much RS shoved this giant pile of Shite right back at the studios you all never got any of it....he left it all open for interpretation just enough so you have these endless useless discussions about it. Dont worry the people at Fox stopped reading the scripts long ago too....I like parts of the films but they make no sense....none of them do after Aliens 3 and perhaps Aliens 4.....Aliens 4 is so worthless I watched the film twice and just wont watch it again.

But all that aside no I dont want to waste my time with this no more.....I cannot wait for RS to make another film to see how bad he sticks it to Disney to get back at Fox....just waiting for how stupid it will be.

Think real hard about the continuity between Prometheus and Alien Covenant then to Alien eventually you will understand the contradiction is so bad you just may never watch the films again. NONE OF IT MAKES SENSE....you want it to but you know its all impossible. People argued on here for several years did David make the Xeno or did he not well watch the movie a few more hundred times and see if you think that laboratory he is in where he dissects Dr. Shaw is real or not....ohhhh wait they have a temple scene in Prometheus with Xenos on the ceiling YEP makes no sense all of it.....total waste of time....what about the the Xeno eggs he puts into storage at the end of Alien Covenant....that he will perfect and make the eggs with for what you see in Alien......dont fight it any more just let it go ok.....its all gone and has been for a very long time....you are chasing elaborate jokes that are not really films. 

These films are RETCON! even between Prometheus, then Alien Covenant, Alien ??? presumably, and then Alien....all of it RETCON!

RETCON:

Retroactive continuity, or retcon for short, is a literary device in which established diegetic 'facts' in the plot of a fictional work are adjusted, ignored, or contradicted by a subsequently published work which breaks continuity with the former.

That means these films were made specifically by RS to be elaborate lies! PURE RUBBISH MY BOY RUBBISH!

@BlackAnt, to be fair to BigDave, he’s just asking what you would have done if we could wind the clock back.

“So lets say if a ALIEN 3 and ALIEN R were NOT made or we Choose to give a Alternative Path after ALIENS then what would YOU have done?”

The problem is, what is done is done. I say leave the Alien 3 / R arc alone and focus on other aspects of the fascinating Alien universe.

Ripley can return for voice overs or even as a cameo doing the voice of MUTHUR. Isolation seems the best way to go between Aliens and Alien 3. Don't erase Alien 3 and AR. You cannot erase 3 and AR with any credibility.

@BigDave

I think you are asking for the impossible....after Aliens the franchise was abused horribly damaged in every way and used to make fast worthless profits through other worthless derivative films damaging the incredible work accomplished in the first two films. 

The prequels that RS worked on were sabotaged by the Fox executives....and RS gave the Fox executives the films they deserved.....us enlightened fans understand exactly what he did and how he did it.

Now is not a time to ever think RS will ever make another film in this franchise that does not attack it directly, that partly destroyed the great contribution he made to his original vision for the entire franchise, that will ever do justice to the original nature of what was created originally in the first film through his collective work and artistic vision.

You of all people should know better and it is such an insult for you to stand up in this forum and demand that we try to fix the impossible just after what Disney did to the Star Wars franchise and George Lucus's decades of artistic work.

These films are collaborative works of art certainly....and to discredit that art is extremely offensive. I really don't care to appease fan boys nor Disney executives to give them some worthless derivative garbage film just destroying the incredible vision and art that is Sir Ridely Scott.

Please BigDave wise up and take Ridely's side on this one....we will never get another film through Disney ever again that does any justice to what these films should have been and could have been.....it has always been about the money and destruction of real art....something I no longer will support or talk about in any way.

Disney destroys franchises to appease the masses to make money....is that what you really stand for too?

Let us all have your scripts that you wrote and treatments so we can just tear them up in front of you and see how you feel about your art being taken from you and destroyed.

RIP Ian. 

"I cannot lie to you about your chances but you have my sympathies."

That line in Alien is so memorable and powerful. The incredible acting ability of Ian Holm to make that character so believable in Alien is in part why we got the other films made by RS. So his original performance in Alien was so transcending it was definitely a reason to continue with these great films. 

We will all miss you so very much Ian. You gave us so much through your passion and art that is uniquely you and the incredible actors you worked with to make modern art worthy of any we have all had the pleasure to see in modern history. 

We all wish your family our sincerest condolences and I treasure these works for they are priceless due to their uniqueness through these performances. I gained a once in a life time ride into new frontiers of immense wonder and profound vision.

Ian our profoundest gratitude for all that you have given through your art.

Kane (John Hurt), Brett (Harry Dean Stanton), Ash (Ian Holm), Mother (Helen Horton) and the Big Chap himself (Bolaji Badejo), i like to imagine them all young, waking up from the cryosleep, having breakfast and joking together, wandering through the stars.

Thanks for the ride.

RIP Sir Ian.  I enjoyed your performances in many movies but I'll always remember Ash.

I'd open the movie with Ash greeting Ripley as she awakens from hypersleep.

Ripley freaks out....show titles..start movie.

It's obviously not the Nostromo Ash but an upgraded synthetic...Ash II if you will. Ian Holm would reprise his role.

He tells her they are at Mars Orbital. Ripley asks why not Earth? He says it's a quarantine issue and the Sulaco has to be fully vetted.

She wants to know where Newt and Hicks are!? He tells her they are well and under going 'treatment' on Mars and she will soon be transported to Earth.

Ripley wants to see Newt and Hicks! He says they will meet her on Earth sometime in the future and not to worry!

The movie would take place on Mars. Less of a budget strain...Mars has been terraformed to a degree. Breathable, walking outside for a limited time(sunburns stuff like that, have to wear sunglasses) Whatever the budget will allow.

Ash II was always aboard the Sulaco, but he gives the impression that he was delivered from Mars Station when the Sulaco arrived.

Ash tells Ripley that Bishop did not survive, his damage was just too great and if she wishes to see her old friend, just follow him.

From the surface of Mars another version of Ash(Ash III) arrives. He brings recordings of Newt and Hicks, he plays them for Ripley, Newt and Hicks tell Ripley they are both fine and will meet her soon! Ripley still wants to speak with them.

Ripley asks Ash III, "How many are you!?", he replies: "Thirty four active Mars station, three stationed on this orbital"

I think it would be cool having multiple Ashes...Which one is evil? Are they all evil? Split screen tech of the 90's would be able to pull this off.

@Major Noob

Certainly having something that is more Terrifying is always a Advantage, in WAR having something that is more Horrific or a Faction who will COMMIT more Horrific Acts does act as a Better Deterrent.... 

FEAR is a Powerful Weapon and so the Xenomorph may have that over using say Sacrificial Goo Bombardment... but if the Effects are like we see in Prometheus on LV-223 and in Alien Covenant on Planet 4 then that Bio-Weapon can be Horrific also.

Looking at the Xenomorph... then if we go by the Engineers or David had created it then maybe the SAME reason applies and that the Creator has a STRONG Dislike towards who they INTEND to use this on, while also taking Great Pride in their Experiments to Create a Perfect Killing Machine so their Agenda and Reasons goes BEYOND merely to KILL.

Regarding the Xenomorph being the Source of the Goo and all Experiments,  i think that SHIP has SAILED a while ago.

However... it could be that some other HORROR that Predates the Goo is the Source of the Goo... Certainly.

@Michart

I would not be Surprised if that was the Plan of Ridley Scott where it could be not only that David is in Co-hoots with W-Y but that A.I actually Runs the Company without most of Mankind and its Employees in the know.

I am not sure what the Process would be....

Like i am sure Blomkamp wrote his Draft/Idea and got some Concepts done without it being Officially Endorsed... but again i dont know what the Process of Legality of such things are.

So what i am saying is i am NOT sure you have to gain Permission from who owns the Franchise to go and make a Draft/Idea and Concept to Pitch....

But you would have to GET the Permission to then go and Produce them... say if they chose to make it as a Graphic Novel to be released then in that case... Disney would have to give them the License to do so.

Again i am not certain on that though, maybe someone else knows the INS/OUTS of such things.

Well i would assume that as they can Travel Faster than Light that they have Communications that can Travel Faster too.

We dont really know HOW FAR away Planet 4 is, its Location is near the Zeta 2 Reticuli but just because a STAR would appear closer in a Constellation to Each other does-not mean they are actually CLOSE BY so you could have say STAR A in a Constellation and STAR D appears the 3RD Closet to Star A but then you could have STAR K that is 15th closest in the SKY to Star A but actually Star K could be Many Times Closer to Star A than Star D for example.

We can Safely Assume that Communication at the Time of Alien Covenant is Slower than the Speeds the Ship can Travel as it would appear it took the Covenant about 11 Months from Earth before it Encountered the Neutrino Burst

Rest in Peace Ian

Rust In Peace

Strange how many movies I saw with him but never connected him to Ash. There was something that seemed familiar but I just enjoyed the shows and never looked at credits. RIP, Sir Ian- thanks for the great movies.

RIP the original David.

IT looks like David or other robots manages in secret Ysecret yutani and want to bring Xenomorphs to Earth to destroy humans and David was originator of the destruction of humanity
 

Rest in peace.

RIP Ash, Priest Cornelius, and Bilbo Baggins

Yeah, this is on the writers.

They should've had a scene earlier in the movie reporting the solar flare and the crew deaths to Earth! They could have told the audience just how long it takes to communicate with Earth.

And why wouldn't the Covenant report the crew deaths to Earth? Oram/Walter or Daniels would have sent a message and Davids at the end of the movie would be restating a different version?

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IT my false. Nearest star is 4.2 ly from us. I don't think like sci fi :) and Star Trek isn't from my favoorites movies.

Re-evolving....Has David had enough of his human flesh, might want to upgrade?  Shaw's up link to Alien AI complete?  Waylands private mission is awares to Central Military intelligence and getting data back from Prometheus Probes ...  War in heaven is brewing 

"message would reach the recipient in about a year and a half"

Pretty sure he says "Relay".

I'm assuming there is a galaxy wide network of communication satellites? these comsat relays are probably sent a head of colony missions, or any deepspace surveys. 

Though having a relay comsat right freaking next to a Engineer world is doubtful...Can't imagine the Engineers allowing that! 1.5 light years is almost inside the Planet 4 system! lol.......So I'm certain the Covenants communication network is sublight(Star Trek technobable)...Probably 10 times light speed or something like that? I'd have to get out the calculator....

maybe Walter also crashed like David and got stupid. in Aliens 2, Bishop said he was shocked that the "artificial man" broke down and attacked the man. he later added that I had built-in locks and could not hurt a man and spoke with previous versions were still in trouble. the next thing is interesting. at the end of the Covenant movie, David said they were flying to Origae 6 and that he was hoping his message would reach the recipient in about a year and a half. that is planet 4 was 1.5 light-years away from the earth because the radio waves travel at the speed of light and if not on earth who the hell did he send this message to? maybe to other planets LV 426 or 226 but who was there then?

Neomorphes in Covenant had white blood like androids. Xenomorphs has acid and corrosive. Is Neomorph an robot and xenomorphs in 1979 was android blood. David's drawings show that he created a xenomorph in terrifying, inhuman experiments combining different species from the planet. you can see that there was a spider on the planet, a crab that was born from an egg, and this crab was crossed with another creeper and inserted an alien embryo. and Xenomorph was made of experiments with Shaw bodies and engineers. had the ability to restore life or support it, you can see the cables inserted into the body part because he had a ship of engineers and their sleeping capsules. if they were able to keep the engineer alive for two thousand years, they also had to have different medical systems. later, mutant engineers and Shaw created another mutant and so on. he also created crosswords of animals with fungi and plants functions. And is drawing with like Space jockey skull

So  Brandywine purchased Red-Harvest script/concept/draft from Blomkamp?  Or is any idea always property of Disney?

You could have Ripley 8 give rise to something like the Image Above... that Body with One of those Heads/Faces or maybe Incorporate Elements of Each Face onto that Body.  Maybe give it a Tail?

Does she Give Birth to something Similar or that after Birth would Evolve to this?

Is this something thats Obtained from someone doing Experiments with her DNA?

Maybe this MONSTER can be shown to Egg Morph a Host... does this Egg Produce a Smaller Version of its Mother? or does it Produce a Face Hugger Type Organism?

Does a Hosts Body start to Form into a Mass and from its Belly or Back we see a Egg like Object Grow?

so you can CHANGE things... Deviate a little from Vanilla ;)

some Fans may have been Disappointed in Prometheus for NOT giving us anything like the Xenomorph apart from the Deacon, and i would think that its NOT a High % that was UPSET because we never saw Vanilla Xenomorphs... but that all we got was the Deacon that we never saw go on to do anything.... if say a Neomorph like Organism had Exploded from Milburns Body then that would have Pleased the Fans i would think.

With Prometheus i think WHILE they may have wanted to STEER AWAY from ALIEN,  i would ASSUMED it was Highly Likely that a Prometheus 2 would have at some-point introduced us to more MONSTERS... that we could trace a connection to the Xenomorph with, like we could with the Deacon and Neomorph.

But sometimes some people do-not like Change.. well not to Change things too much, and to STICK with what they are Familar with and Comfortable with.

And i think thats maybe what Hill/Giler are thinking by what seems likely to be a Draft that has Evolved from Blomkamps... with some of the Blomkamp Concept and Red-Harvest it did SEEM they was going to offer us some Different Variants of Xenomorph and Mutations, which i think would be interesting.

IF this Draft get the GREEN LIGHT by Disney which i think is MUCH MORE likely than a Prequel would.. and Especially if Miss Weaver says COUNT ME IN...

I think Disney would likely want to STICK with the Vanilla Variety of Xenomorph as seen in Alien/Aliens and AVP/AVPR by that the Differences between them Aesthetically are about as much Variation that we would see.