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BigDaveAlien: Romulus 2 NewsAlien TV series reportedly in development at Hulu!

I will say that a Anthology Series where each Season would be about a Different Story, does sound Interesting but there could be a FEW Problems.

1) The Franchise does-not have to Center around the Usual Xenomorph Egg, and our Typical Eight Fingered Friend and the Typical Outcome of this..... as well as QUEENS.

Because i think Ridley Scott was right when he said there is ONLY so much Face Hugging and Chest Busting that you can do, and if every Movie, Comic, Game, Novel and TV Series would be about the Traditional Egg, Face Huger, Chest Buster and Xenomorph that we have Especially seen in Alien, Aliens and the AVP Movies, then eventually it could become STALE and so Overcooked..

The Prequels with other Horrors offers us many Fresh Avenues...  Also the ALIEN Franchise could be about more than Eggs, Queens and Ripely and Marines.

2) The Reaction to the FIRST Season would be Important, if it SUCKS and Bombs... would we get a Season 2.. if it does-not do well and yet tries to cover MORE than Queens, Eggs etc (especially if these are a lesser role or do-not appear).... then would it FORCE a Season 2 to be about Eggs and Queens?

On the FLIP-SIDE if it does very WELL but the First Season is about Eggs and Queens, then would they (Disney) not want to RISK making another Series that offers something different?

I guess what i am trying to say is that IF the First Season is a HIT both in Terms of Critical Response and How Many Viewings...  say the PLOT is Good, Characters work etc.

Then would they be Reluctant to do something DIFFERENT with Season 2 and play it SAFE and Continue with the Same Characters/Plot?

IF we have a Successful Season 1 and Season 2 explores something different and New Characters and Settings and IT does not do as well as Season 1, would then then make Season 3 and on-wards a Continuation of Season 1?

I say this because if feel that DISNEY would stick to something that Works/Does well and then MILK IT... or if something is Different and does-not quite work, i feel they would go back to the Eggs, Queen and Ripely Formula and MILK that.

Dont mean to be Pessimistic ;)

I am hopeful we get a TV Series and then it should be Judged on its own Merits, i think what ever happens it will please some Fans...   I just hope they are NOT afraid of Mixing Things up and Changing things... but then looking at the Back Lash of the Prequels..

And looking at the Many Novels and Games i do wonder if they see these kinds of Plots as Playing it SAFE!

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chliAlien: Covenant ForumPrometheus : Theodicy

Cont . . .

Gender and Robots

Apart from the biological instincts of females to be drawn to men who either radiate or have factual power, a handsome manservant with both intellectual and physical power who fulfils a woman’s every need - without an obligation of nocturnal “payment” must be a dream come true? :)

There is already on the market, I think, a “female”, good looking robot who can fulfil a man’s every dream, and without a shred of nagging. :)

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BigDaveAlien: Romulus 2 NewsAlien TV series reportedly in development at Hulu!

I says lets wait and see and Fingers Crossed... i think MAYBE this is True.... i am not so sure on the Status of a Alien Covenant Sequel though.

If these Series are to take into Account the Prequels, then i think that means they would either NOT cover anything from the Prequels, so they DONT contradict/conflict them or SET-UP some Information that FORCES a Prequel Continuation down a SET PATH..

However who knows if Disney/FOX are 100% behind what Ridley Scott had on his mind for the Prequels and so ANY kind of TV Series would NOT conflict these?

They did say they had Produced a 10 PAGE Rule Book that Future Movies etc would have to Reference to, so to AVOID any Conflicts/Contradictions... but if so then these (RULES) can be SCRAPPED

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BigDaveAlien: Covenant ForumAlien: Prototype

"....as in Blackwinter Witch's ship of the same name?!"

Conspiracy lol...  i never did read her stuff, i have to make the Effort to do so ;)

Pirate Ship is Interesting as a few times i mentioned as far as making a NEW Alien Movie, that some kind of Space Pirates or Space Scrap Junkers who encounter a Stranded Ship and attempt to STEAL or SALVAGE from the Ship, soon encounter the Reason the Ship in Question became a Space Hulk..

So as far as this Novel goes i guess it seems Interesting, but for me the Problem i have is the Novels and Comics seem to be about the Same/Similar thing...

Discovery of a Egg/Eggs, Face Huger or Infected Person with Said Face Hugger and then this leads to a Xenomorph/Xenomorphs that are Very Similar/Same as from either ALIEN/ALIENS or the AVP Movies.

Thats not knocking the Novel... there is a Market for these, i just would like to see a Novel/Comic that has something different.  Because just as Ridley Scott had said, there is only SO MUCH of the Face Hugging, Chest Bursting that can be done before you have to think of something FRESH.

I think the Prequels with the Various Horrors within (aside from Xenomorph) offer a Variety of Different things to cover.  So you can have that ALIEN VIBE without the Xenomorph we are used to from the Original 4 Movies and AVP's.

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BigDaveAlien: Covenant ForumRidley Scott's Raised By Wolves Moves to HBO

The Plot does seem similar to what i Interpreted that Alien Awakening could be about, maybe he is using some Elements that he realized he may have to DROP with his AC Sequel?

Here is what i read into it... and AC2 Connection.

TWO Androids Tasked with Raising Children on a Virgin Planet, this indicates that a Mission to Colonize a New World was underway where the Colonist would be Children, maybe they are Raised from Birth (Embryo).

We have to ASK why would the Androids be Tasked with taking ONLY Children?  Because Knowledge and Teaching Corrupts and Religions cause  Conflict, and so to START a New World that is Free from the Various Aspects of Religion and Difference of Political Spectrum should see a World where these Children are Raised without Outside Interference and Conflict.

I then assume another Ship with Humans with Various Religious Beliefs comes in and ENDS up on this Virgin World and the Androids Face the Task of how do they Contain the Influences of these Humans from Earth and Various Religious Views, from Effecting the None-Religious Haven the Androids have been Building with those Children.

Thats my Interpretation of Raised by Wolves...

Many Months before this was announced, i had Interpreted and Assumed that Alien Covenant's Sequel would be about....

David taking the Colonist to Origae-6, they Set-Up and Build a Somewhat Basic Village (Wooden Buildings etc) once some Infrastructure is set up, i assume David would then KILL-OFF the Adults and take the SHIP to another Part of the Planet (Adults could be used for Horrific Experiments).

David then Engineers those Human Embryo's to create a more Superior Human Species that he would Raise under his Rules and History that he gives them, which they would be TOLD that he was their Creator.... the Covenant Mission and Adults would be KEPT a Secret from them.

so we have these Engineered Humans (from Embryo's) that live in a kind of Ancient Basic, Cultist Society, like the Amish People but there Religion/Beliefs are Influenced by David as the Creator and whatever he wishes to Teach them/Have them believe.

Then another Human Ship arrives who are also looking to get away from Earth and have a New Life.... and then David is Facing a Difficult Task of what happens when these Humans arrive, and Discover the Society that David has Built...

What do his Creations then think when they see other Humans who may be slightly different, and they come with another being who LOOKS exactly the Same as their Creator?

They discover their True Origins and History are NOT what they had been Taught by David and that their So Called Creator is actually a Creation of their True Ancestors?

This in PART is what i thought that AC2 would be about... its what i then had explored with my TWO sequels.. Alien Ascension and Alien Absolution which i abandoned.

But News of AC2 went into Limbo, then we got this Raised by Wolves Announcement and looking at the Synopsis etc i think its NOT FAR off the Plot i predicted that AC2 may have...  it seems it shares a number of Elements.

So i wondered is Ridley Scott using some ideas he had for AC2 in Raised by Wolves out of Fear that AC2 will not be made or that if we got a Sequel then a lot of what RS had planned would have to be SCRAPED?

I think it could be a Interesting Sci-Fi Series, i think its worth giving it a Chance for the First 4 Episodes

Not sure its what ALIEN fans would like to see, they may prefer a ALIEN Bug Hunt Series.  But lets see what the ALIEN Series would also bring... i just think it should not be about Eggs and Face Hugers every Season.

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IngenieroAlien: Covenant ForumAlien: Prototype

Are you still awake MonsterZero reading the novel or have you finished yet?

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IngenieroAlien: Covenant ForumAlien: Prototype

I Raptus...I had a dog and his name was Bingo.

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IngenieroAlien: Covenant ForumRidley Scott's Raised By Wolves Moves to HBO

There has to be more than robots babysitting church kids.

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I.RaptusAlien: Covenant ForumAlien: Prototype

Manticore

A ship in the story has a name that sounds very familiar, below.

"This had started as another routine smash-and-grab job. The Manticore was a pirate vessel, and the crew had thievery down to a science."

 

....as in Blackwinter Witch's ship of the same name?!

 

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dkAlien: Covenant ForumRidley Scott's Raised By Wolves Moves to HBO

It sounds interesting, but the synopsis sounds like it confirms what most people already know. Pass.

People going nowhere, taken for a ride
Looking for the answers that they know inside
Searching for a reason, looking for a rhyme
Snow White's mirror said "partners in crime"-
Black Sabbath

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IngenieroAlien: Covenant ForumRidley Scott's Raised By Wolves Moves to HBO

Collider.com

"Created by writer Aaron Guzikowski, whose masterful 2013 Prisoners ranks among the best thrillers of the decade, the series will be a 10-part story. Guzikowski will also serve as showrunner.

Here’s an official synopsis:

The series centers on two androids tasked with raising human children on a mysterious virgin planet. As the burgeoning colony of humans threatens to be torn apart by religious differences, the androids learn that controlling the beliefs of humans is a treacherous and difficult task." (source)

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MonsterZeroAlien: Covenant ForumAlien: Prototype

So glad Fox is continuing these Alien novels!

Just bought for my Kindle...will start to read tonight.

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IngenieroAlien: Covenant ForumAlien: Prototype

You're most welcome dk.

The novels are great and it's a pleasure to report.

 

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dkAlien: Covenant ForumAlien: Prototype

Thanks- I am only tracking on the movies and Isolation game.

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IngenieroAlien: Covenant ForumAlien: Prototype

The Necromorph

I think what we might be looking at is called the "Necromorph" dk...and the slime (resin) is mentioned too.

"The Necromorph was calmer."

"There it would find a host, and take the human to a secluded area. It would seal the human in resin--leaving the mouth exposed, of course--and then it would produce an Ovomorph."

Alien: Prototype, page 274.

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dkAlien: Covenant ForumAlien: Prototype

Given the time line, it seems Amanda being found and involved would be a good way to go about it. On the other hand, it may risk becoming a story with Ripley Lite. 

The additional slime (nice enhancement) that seems to cover the xeno body makes me wonder more about its purpose/function.

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IngenieroAlien: Covenant ForumAnother Life series. A blueprint for an Alien Series?

I'm sorry I Raptus because I have to strongly agree with Leto.  

Another Life is in the Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome file right beside Eyes Wide Shut.   

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IngenieroAlien: Covenant ForumAlien TV Series In Development At Hulu

"will be an anthology series on Hulu, with each season taking place in a different part of the Alien universe."

This could be very great news.  In the comics, a team sets down on LV-223 a century after David 8's severed cadmium head bounced off Peter Weyland's conventional skull.  

On the Planet Zagreus, in Alien: Echo, a xenomorph hoard devours everything cosmopolitan in the city and on the space station bought on the cheap to expand the colony (a real party), Alien: The Cold Forge provides tangible agony to those that read it and now wait for the contents to make it to screen in any form...   

Any of the above scenarios could bring a great season on Hulu in my opinion...and I haven't mentioned the Alien: River of Pain (LV-426) story because I suspect that may be related to what James Cameron is working on (source).

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IngenieroAlien: Covenant ForumLook on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!

It seems that Ozymandias by Percy Bysshe Shelley was referenced in The Weyland-Yutani Report, below.

Ozymandias 

I met a traveller from an antique land, 

Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone 

Stand in the desert. . . .

 

Percy Traveller

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IngenieroAlien: Covenant ForumDark Horse to release a new comics series focused on Colonial Marines :)

Bad news.

"Following statements made by former Comics Alliance EIC Laura Hudson regarding the behaviour of Brian Wood to her several years ago, Dark Horse has confirmed to Bleeding Cool that the upcoming Aliens: Colonial Marines: Rising Threat written by Wood scheduled for September will no longer be published and they will no longer be pursuing new comic book projects with Wood." (source)

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chliAlien: Covenant ForumPrometheus : Theodicy

Michelle

Genre

I think “The Alien Universe” is big enough for different genres as well as different stories to be told within it. There is, of course, the problem of “canon” but the franchise has become so muddled with books and films pointing in different directions that it’s almost impossible to say that something is “canon”. It’s up to each one of us what we choose to believe.

Intelligent Design

Instead of showing a dystopic future of evil, death and destruction, and a universe saturated of mere chance and blind evolution, an optimistic view (a soul and meaning) is refreshing and encouraging, as long as there is no agenda behind it with organizations wanting to ban the teaching of evolution in schools etc.

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JonesyAlien: Romulus 2 NewsAlien TV series reportedly in development at Hulu!

This is definitely exciting. The alien universe has so much to explore and revisit. 

 

and Jonesy deserves his own episode.

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Michelle JohnstonAlien: Covenant ForumPrometheus : Theodicy

chli

Stockholm Syndrome 

I was very pleased you made this connection. 

To me, there was an obvious dramatic potential in their relationship from the moment that David begins to remove her cross in quarantine. Whilst the Caserean is to come we have reached a crossroads where Ripley's condition in ALIEN 3 can be revisited and recalibrated.

I say crossroads because you can take the trope road, which means someone will have got there before you, or you can go on and further examine the themes of hosting particularly where the person responsible is making a journey next to/with you.

One of my readers quite rightly pointed out the 'birthing machine' riff. The key is to remember the story if you are going to react to that kind of concern. In order to further examine the issue, I deconstructed the component parts.

Spoilers  

David has been seeking a solution from the get-go.

David suffers rage at the outcome, quite the opposite of Ash's smugness.

Elizabeth is ambivalent but errs more to the side of being taken in. That's partly a comment on modern woman's preoccupations with Vanity.  

It has a psychological dynamic which eventually reverses everyone's roles.    

The ritual happens once on the page and I take the opportunity to poke some gentle fun at Covenant and then reverse the outcome.       

Mercifully that seems to have worked and no one has suggested I went into birthing machine territory. 

Woman and Robot.

There is a slight sense that they are like the woman with the gay friend, the fantastic company, good looking (once the Lawrence quiff is buried) very caring, respectful but with no 'play' made at the end of the evening.  

However, I also felt their relationship was a comment on how they're so much more to relationships than the sexual dynamic and it turns out in this universe the latter is seen to be driven by very particular idiosyncratic reasons.

In general, I think Ridley from Giger onwards has been very very good at exploring man's hostage to all of that stuff. Giger was himself far from comfortable in his thinking.

Even asking the sacrificial chosen one to wear a monastic cloak airs the sexual narrative. It's like we don't do all the pumping and grinding we are serious we do creation big time and when I looked at the more closely I decided that's how to interpret it.   

Genre

In a way, our conversation and others I have had have reinforced the notion that placing the big chap in A L I E N within a story with a profoundly philosophical narrative is a commercial non-starter. If you go to any website connected to this franchise their preoccupations are a million miles away from the above. I understand and accept that but that is not the same as saying it doesn't have value it does and I am really grateful for everything said by others to me about this work just as I love Ridleys Seven Worlds which manages with just a Lizard in the desert.

Two other quick things:

1) the Sugata Valley is as I describe but so is the opening moving landscape of the movie referencing Scott Free and Dune.

2) David is playing the Chopin we hear in the movie.  

 

 

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NTFSAlien: Covenant ForumWho would you choose to breathe some fresh air into the "Alien" franchise?

Christopher McQuarrie - Lots of experience with action movies.

 

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dkAlien: Romulus 2 NewsAlien TV series reportedly in development at Hulu!

I think the Alien 40th Anniversary  shorts series make a solid blue print.

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hoxAlien: Covenant ForumBest Portrayal of the Alien

Each to their own. Arms like cotton earbuds aren’t my idea of scary / evolved / superior.

 

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NTFSAlien: Covenant ForumBest Portrayal of the Alien

You do not like it. It is my favorite. You said it is messed up and deformed, I see it superior and evolved. This alien portrayal is elegantly mighty. An improvement on Giger's alien.

It is a spaceman not a beast...

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hoxAlien: Covenant ForumBest Portrayal of the Alien

I don't like it. Too messed up and deformed. Giger's alien, by contrast, is elegantly horrific. Very hard to improve on.

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Michelle JohnstonAlien: Covenant ForumPrometheus : Theodicy

chli

'the thing" is unsurprisingly an attempt to replicate the original trigger. It doesn't have the benefit of the original schematics and it includes the preoccupations of the Moon creatures. The base sequence was as you know used in the fabrication, building and controlling of large elements of the Engineer Craft. So it began life as a straight forward nourishment tool for building organic biomimetic outcomes. No doubt the fallen acolyte tried to breakdown the original creation tool and replicate it but he did not have the schematics available to the Origin Engineers and so made a copy and they were so hell-bent on the thing in itself it lacked the qualities that made this creation special and the path to Widjom. 

In terms of detail the closest explanation we get to it as onlookers is through Charlie.  

Naturally, we can take Kant's view and why not in an intelligent creation. Elizabeth was for it and David against. There is intended irony there on several levels.

I will conclude by suggesting that in an Intelligent Creation there would be more arguments about patents and there use.   

 

   

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NTFSAlien: Covenant ForumBest Portrayal of the Alien

This is a different kind of alien. It is much more evolved than the previous beasts. It is not an animal anymore...

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NTFSAlien: Covenant ForumEngineer weapons in future films

The engineers may need a smaller vehicle beside the current flying gipfeli.

 

This one is called a gipfeli in Switzerland.

H.R. Giger modeled the alien spaceship after his pastry.

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NTFSAlien: Covenant ForumEngineer weapons in future films

Found these on the network. The third one is quite silly as an alien weapon.

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chliAlien: Covenant ForumPrometheus : Theodicy

"That you are here—that life exists and identity,
That the powerful play goes on, and you may contribute a verse." :)

The thesis that acquired traits are inheritable is called epigenetics, by the way. If the Deacon and xenomorph is moulded on the traits of its host, what is "the thing" in itself (Das Ding An Sich/Kant :) )?

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Michelle JohnstonAlien: Covenant ForumPrometheus : Theodicy

BigDave

For the first time since I began this project, I sat and watched the movie last night, rather than in lots of small edits for my project.

Three things struck me, two of which are connected with your words 'Meat On The Bones'.

1) I realised how much the omniscient narrator and the ironic telling of Weyland's story had added to our understanding in the book. Whether the book is good or bad is for others but it's not the book of the film. The book has more context but not through invention simply explaining the existing themes.

2) I have noticed this before but it really stands out when Elizabeth says "What killed them" we cut to the Cylinder opening scene a clear message that what's in the cylinder is bound up with their annihilation but a clearer more coherent answer is never offered. There are then two steps Charlies spiking and Elizabeth and Charlies final prophetic positioning conversation and then the crew simply become reactive. The issue of our search for answers is over it's about survival and we do not learn or see anything we do not already know. In the movie, we have already had the Hammerpedes so the audience is ahead of the crew. We are going to watch two acts of mayhem unfold. So we have had this very fascinating premise set up and now people start dying. Ridley would argue we get to see where the craft and pilot come from because of an identical very impressive reveal and I would not argue with that. However, we have these huge questions about our creators and their creators and we have had no sight of Ovoids. So on two levels, the audience is puzzled. I think my second and third acts offer more exposition even if it's just understanding the questions better. 

3) As an aside, the supporting group Jackson, Ford, the bearded hitman, a male nurse and Furdik all begin to pop up in rather random ways.  

In summary, I can see why you as a reader would react that way.

 

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Michelle JohnstonAlien: Covenant ForumPrometheus : Theodicy

chli

Let's try again.

Nemesis 

Indeed.

Angels 

At a philosophical level, the result would be the ubermensch interfering with a platonic idealism. The former is about life now whereas the Angels sacrifice in the name of otherworldly fulfilment.

I think its too cute to say it would lead to Pandominium it would lead to a break down of the consensus. It would lead to Weyland rather than Elizabeth. More specifically the result would probably reject death like Weyland.

Who knows what "it" would look like I decided that was planned ambiguity it gives the Cargo some of their ambiguity back. However, Elizabeth's visions are part of the answer though it may be fake to lure her.

Moving to her, as the author, I wanted the reader to be excited by her vision dreams to share Elizabeth's dilemma by finding it intoxicating and persuasive (our proxy). "This could be interesting and cool." Would that have worked quite possibly but as David said, "if it wasn't so dangerous." one answer appeals to our sense of the exotic and adventure the other a kind of self-righteousness. But this is because those witnessing the story are inside the fall so again we need to place ourselves out of who we are and say what is right in an intelligent creation where we know all the answers and know where we fit in and the problem is dealing with Pandora's Urn.          

The Creature

Is an amplification of its host.

The Deacon

Is the purest form of their counterfeit and determination to improve the model so if the upgrade had occurred they would have been Ubermensch and in a fallen world destroyed their parents.

Deacon consensual

I think David assumed there would be accidents and failures as they move toward perfection (echoing his 8 upgrades) and the process would be brutal and unpleasant but you are correct they were mere hosts and indeed Elizabeth corrects him and rather worryingly says they are all "at it." I also think David had in his mind the sacrificial instruction of the Mural. He guessed, correctly, that was a sacrifice.

Very early on I had the idea the earth acolyte repented and I imagined him being thrown in the Victoria Falls after being forced to take the catalyser but that did not feel right as he was a mover and a shaker and then I wrote the Second Pyramid reveal where they were tricked into sacrifice.

On a separate topic, you mentioned the notion of reward for good behaviour I thought it was a nice allegory that given the currency of what the soul is, it's not about judgement, it's about contribution. To use an analogy if you write a book it goes in the library if you don't add to the sum of the universes knowledge then you do not end up in the library. In an unsentimental world, Elizabeth's hysterical Catholic Doctrine of Heaven and Hell doesn't work. You are in the Erko and will live on inside it or you leave it and cease eventually to exist. So the atheists are half right !!!     

    

   

    

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BigDaveAlien: Covenant ForumALIEN: ALPHA

This MURAL is what i would have based the Exploration of the Space Jockey about, what this shows me is to INDICATE that the Space Jockey is a Space Suited Race who would Self Sacrifice themselves to Pro-Create the Horrors from those Eggs.

To me it also indicates that the SHIP is connected to those Eggs, it Shares the same Aesthetic if you would, the MURAL seems to indicate to me that the Eggs are Created by the SHIP and form from Tiny Worms that then Attached to a Surface and then Eggs grow from them.

Funny enough this is HOW it was that HR Giger and envisioned the Egg Creation, that the Cargo Hold would Produce them from Bio-Mechanical like Pregnant Bellies.

The Mural was to be placed above the Sections where these Eggs were Stored (above the Bio-Mechanical Devices that would Create the Eggs).

HR Gigers Concepts for the Face Hugers indicated these beings were BALD HUMANOIDS and so that was not a Problem for me, his Space Jockey Concept also looking more like a Bio-Mechanical being or Suit.

But to me those beings looked like that was forming a Symbiotic Relationship with the Ship/Cargo their must have been some Benefit for them, but i was drawn to some other Species being behind the Ships and Eggs, and that the Space Jockey is merely performing a Purpose a Sacrifice, for some Reason.

The Prometheus Themes could FIT with this, as far as this Species could be the Engineers, we could have another Species as the Space Jockey, or the Engineer are a Sub-Creation of the Space Jockey Created to Replace them as far as the Sacrificial Purpose.

I am drawn to ANOTHER Species or Entity/Player who would have those Humanoids Perform Sacrifices, but this is done by a Minority of them, in return for something of Benefit to them.... so it would be like the Engineers Teaching Mankind our Ancient Ways and giving us LIFE on the Condition that we offer Sacrifices in that some of us would be Required as part of the Bargain, to be used for another Purpose for the Masters.

So i foresee something above the Engineers/Space Jockey that would be using the Engineers/Space Jockey for that Purpose.

I conclude this because it seems the Mural of HR Giger seems to make a Connection between the Ship and Cargo, so maybe the Space Jockey are NOT the Higher Player in this... 

It allows for the Introduction to a KEY PLAYER that is more Lovecraftian, and maybe use the UNUSED elements of the Starbeast Plot.

I think what is also Interesting is the Mural as far as the EYE which the Worm/Egg seems to come from is pretty much like the The Eye of Providence  and so could have some GOD-LIKE connection.

What i was thinking was to FIT with Prometheus in Multiple Layers of Creation, Sub-Creation and Rebellion and so IF i add this to Prometheus Plot... then it could be the Engineers were Sub-Created by the Space Jockey to replace them in their Sacrificial Tasks.... but the Engineers Rebelled, had turned the Organisms against them.. or just broke away and Rebelled and the Space Jockey attempted to use a Organism on them...

Engineers then Sub-Create Mankind...  once we become Rebellious a Group of Engineers then attempt to Re-Engineer the Eggs to something different, the Deacon, the Xenomorph.... were as the Original Ships could have created something DIFFERENT... but similar.

But there was so many ways to try and connect the HR Giger/Starbeast ideas to the Prometheus Engineers, that could branch off, so it was never a 1, 2, 3 but a 1 a,b,c, 2 a,b,c and so it would get bit Complex trying to get it all to FIT.

So in CONTEXT to a Reboot of Sorts i would still go back to the HR Giger Mural only we dont have to have the Occupants of the Ship/Suits being so Human Looking.

But still involved in some Covenant/Symbiotic Relationship on behalf of something VERY Lovecraftian.

The Xenomorph either a Result of those Space Jockey's deciding to Experiment with the Creation Process of the Eggs....  or that the Xenomorph is the Outcome on a Human....

And the Intended Host would have Produced something Different.  I always would have considered exploring that Chest Buster in the Mural and what it could have became!

Maybe like this Carlos Huante Concept?

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BigDaveAlien: Covenant ForumALIEN: ALPHA

I get you now, having the Derelict become infected with something is Interesting, Certainly could explain the Difference in Aesthetic compared to Prometheus, but when looking at a some what COMPLETE reboot then the Derelict could always had been as it appeared in ALIEN.

But having it Infected to explain some of its Aesthetic is Interesting.  Its something that had been debated on here before after Prometheus (could the Black Goo Contaminate and Effect the Actual Ship).

I think its Interesting in also how we get to LV-426 in your idea, as that is ONE area that has to be covered, otherwise its left down to Discovering the SIGNAL (which was done in ALIEN) or ending up on/by LV-426 by Pure Coincidence.  Jon Spaights Tackled this via the Discovery of Clues on Earth pointing to Potentially Mankind Origins which lead us to that System.   With your idea Gavin it by-passes the WHOLE Visitation by Gods, and replaces it with some more ALIEN and Unconnected Race with clues from the Downed Ship on Earth, that point towards LV-426.

So this covers how they would not by Pure Coincidence end up on LV-426 (they as in Humans) i think a HURDLE with exploring a ALIEN Species who are NOT connected to Mankind, is the Communication, would they cominuate with Humans, or do they not have a way of doing so and its NOT needed?  On one hand this would keep them ALIEN and a Mystery, but then on the other when/if you then further explore this Space Jockey Race in Future and they Interact with their kind, do we get Sub-Titles and IF-NOT then its a case of how much Depth can you delve into their Species?

For a First Movie i think its not needed, we see so many Movies that do-not need the ALIEN Species being able to Talk to Us, for it to work.  Independence Day for example if they removed the Scene where the Alien Communicated via a Human Scientist (Dr. Brackish Okun) would it had really effected the Movie/Plot?

So its only if we try and look more into the History of the Space Jockey and their Agenda that maybe thats when more is needed? 

With your idea i am more drawn to them being the Footnote to show that via Consequences of Collecting a Infected Skull that leads to the Creation of the Eggs, and so would it be that any Further Exploration of that Plot would be about the Xenomorph and to NOT explore these Space Jockey and WHY/WHERE they go, as far as Collecting Samples of Various Life-Forms?

I guess to some DEGREE... giving answers to HOW/WHEN/WHY those Eggs got their is what some Fans want, and then maybe that leaving WHO the Space Jockey was and their History/Agenda etc should remain a MYSTERY... because he was a Enigma and exploring them could end up doing a Disservice to the Mystery.

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