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LoneAlien: Covenant ForumDoes anyone remember?

This is what Ridley told Empire magazine in Sept 2015:

In a way it is Prometheus 2. It’s exactly the same story. But it was always in the works to be called that [Alien: Paradise Lost]. Is Prometheus actually taking us off course from where I’m going, which is actually backing into the first Alien… I’ve even got connections with Ripley [in this], but I’m not telling you what.

 

 

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BigDaveAlien: Covenant ForumDoes anyone remember?

"Didn't he wanted Ripley dead at the end of Alien? Why would he want her back now?"

Indeed he intended a different Ending, and the Imitating Her Voice to Lure People in/Fool People, was because RS felt the Xenomorph would go on to show signs of being VERY intelligent,  so you can bet IF he had been able to had done a Sequel to ALIEN then the Xenomorphs would likely had not been as simple a concept as Cameron's BUGS!

That being said, if we look at Theatrical Releases, then the Xenomorphs in ALIENS appear to be just as IF not more Intelligent than our ALIEN Big Chap who basically stalked the Crew and killed them off like a Cross Between a Alien Natural Predator and a Space Jason Voorhees

The Egg Morph showed the Xenomorph had a Objective  and was not just going around KILLING for the sake of it. I think Ridley Scott wanting to show the Xenomorph killing Ripley and then Imitating Her Voice, would have been a step to show the Xenomorph as a Intelligent Organism just as the STARBEAST Ancestors were in the Earlier Drafts.

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BigDaveAlien: Covenant ForumDoes anyone remember?

That Interview was a bit ambiguous...

His response was to a Question about Ripley appearing in Future Movies, this is where he had suggested you could introduce her and De-Age her with CGI.

The Ripley is someones Daughter, should not be taken into account too Literally, he may just be pointing out the obvious that she would have a MOTHER and its maybe not suggesting that her Mother would be on the Covenant or another Ship that arrives at some point during the Next Few Movies that are set prior to ALIEN.

We have to consider the Covenant appears to be a ONE-WAY Mission, those Colonist set off on a 8 year+ Journey, they would not arrive at Origae-6 until the year 2112 and so 10 years prior to ALIEN.  The Colonist would likely be heading to Origae-6 to make a NEW Start and unlikely to Return back to Earth/Our System.

So we have to consider a few things, UNLESS they change a lot of Canon as far as Places of Birth and Dates.

Ellen Ripley would be about 12  Years Old when the Covenant Mission Departed, WOULD her Mother Leave to Start a NEW LIFE on a World 8+ Years away and leave her 12 Year Old Daughter Behind?

If Ripley is on the Covenant Ship with them, we have to ask HOW long does she remain in Cryo-Sleep because we have to assume 8+ Years in Cryo-Sleep would not have Ellen Ripley appear as a 20 year Old Woman when she arrives at Origae-6 and even IF it did, then her Background/Training does-not fit with her arriving on Origae-6 in the Year 2112, having departed Earth aged 12, and then 10 years after they arrive on Origae-6 we have Ripley Aged 30 head to LV-426 on the Nostromo?

Logically this does-not add up and so i think we can RULE-OUT having Ellen Ripley on the Covenant.

So then we have to ASK!  Would her Mother leave her 12 Year Old Daughter while she takes 8 years to get to Origae-6 and then even if she just stays on Origae-6 for a Year or Two then heads Home...  then Ripleys Mother would be AWAY for 17-18 years...  Can you really see her Mother doing that?

So i dont think Ellen Ripleys Mother would be on the Covenant Mission either!

The way i read into the Interviews is that RS was indicating that Daniels would be like a Spiritual Successor and so the NEW Bad Ass Ripley like Character.

The CGI element i think was just in response that you could introduce Ripley Back using CGI at some point...  but its quite what he means by that?

A Blomkamp Alien 5... as in IGNORE from Alien 3 on-wards?

A Prequel were at the END of the Last Movie of the Prequels, we are taken to a point where Ellen Ripley is enlisted on the Nostromo or point when they stop off to welcome New Member of the Crew ASH on-board?

As surely we know Ripley and the Nostromo had NEVER arrived at LV-426 until 2122, and the Derelict would surely had been there for more than a few Weeks/Months!

A part of me was wondering if this CGI comment with Ripley could be RS considering to continue with his Movies after ALIEN and thus Remove ALIENS from Canon?

This would cause the BIGGEST S$"% Storm of Backlash in the Franchise from Fans however...   So maybe after his Prequels... they had indeed intended to do a Reboot of Alien 3, so that we get a ALIENS Sequel with Ripley and the Gang back, that could lead to future movies that would connect to RS prequels and Engineers?

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BigDaveAlien: Covenant ForumTraits of the franchise

@winterphoenix

Its easy to assume this could be a likely PATH forwards, if we consider how David was in the Movie, and his Message to the Company in the Advent Viral Video.  Especially when considering that Alien Covenant appeared to be showing us that David had Created the Xenomorph, and by Coincidence the Covenant has Thousands of Colonist.

We have the Cliff Hanger where David is in CONTROL of the Ship and it and its Colonist are Totally at the Mercy of what ever Agenda/Plan that David has.

However this is NOT quite what it appeared Ridley Scott may have had planned, because he wanted the Next Movie to NOT be about the Xenomorph, but about AI and what "Kind of a World" would David Create.  Bare in mind we are NOT one movie from Alien, so a Simple Plot of the Covenant Ship becomes a Flying Xenomorph Hive is unlikely to have been what was NEXT.

However the kind of Plot it appears RS is hinting at, would appear to not have MANY of the Usual Traits of the Franchise, were as a Plot regarding David going on to experiment and Create Thousands of Eggs from those Colonist would fit the Traits a bit more.

Nothing is set in Stone, the Franchise is on HOLD... and so by the time and IF we do get any sequel or connecting movie to ALIEN, then what RS may have intended could be very different to what we could eventually get.

I feel Disney would want to pursue movies that are VERY connected with the Alien/Aliens Traits and Tropes as opposed to what Ridley Scott may have wanted to explore when he had Finished with Prometheus.

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SuperAlienAlien: Covenant ForumDoes anyone remember?

Look what he said about the Hennessy suits, at their own event:

“They sent me a script which was interesting, because it gave me an opportunity to do my thing with their thing. I was not to know that they were really a tough bunch of sons-of-bitches, so I really didn’t get away with anything, but that said, coming to the table, I like people who are strong,”

The suits from Fox asked for more aliens, less engineers, Ripley, or at least her mother, a queen??, a Predator??

For Ridley, Ripley is Cameron's daughter and the queen fits better in AVP + AVPR kind of movies.

Fox or Disney or who the hell is in charge now will go ahead with Blomkamp, Cameron, Shane Black et Co. because this is all they can dream of.

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IngenieroAlien: Covenant ForumDoes anyone remember?

That's wonderful Lone

Yes daliens...and a xenomorph with her voice talking into a space walkie-talkie. I am really glad someone hit the brakes on that.

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LoneAlien: Covenant ForumDoes anyone remember?

daliens Exactly! Why would he want a connection to Ripley? *Cue Cameron* 

Perhaps it was another idea which the suits tried to force upon him, whether he liked it or not?

Puts me in mind of this little sequence I made a while back!

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SuperAlienAlien: Covenant ForumDoes anyone remember?

I think he meant: Ripley is not my daughter.

Didn't he wanted Ripley dead at the end of Alien? Why would he want her back now? 

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IngenieroAlien: Covenant ForumDoes anyone remember?

Ridley's comment was very funny to me at the time so it stuck. 

Ripley is somebody's daughter.  Thank you for the update Mr. Scott...we were already aware Ripley was NOT formed from clay. Every female character in Alien and all Earth women are somebody's daughter.

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LoneAlien: Covenant ForumDoes anyone remember?

Funny you should bring this up ninXeno, I was just thinking about it the other day!

Yeah, I'm kinda glad it didn't happen, not in Covenant anyway.

 

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LoneAlien ForumStand by.....

Aww, thanks Jason, that's awesome!

I think you have tremendous talents. Wishing & hoping more people will support your Patreon going forward.

Best of luck my friend

((Hugs))

Carole X

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ChrisAlien: Covenant ForumDoes anyone remember?

Ingeniero is right, initially Scott alluded to a connection to Ripley, but ultimately it was scrapped since Covenant again represents one of 3 or 4 prequels required before we actually result in the original Alien. Personally, I'm glad there was no connection to Ripley in Covenant.

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IngenieroAlien: Covenant ForumDoes anyone remember?

It looks like the video where Ridley Scott spoke about this was taken down but some of the transcript, below, is in the article ninXeno426 (source).

"We’re heading toward the back end of the first Alien so [using CG] may be feasible. I don’t think it’ll... but Ripley’s going to be somebody’s daughter. Obviously. We’re coming in from the back end. The time constraints, of what’s the time between this film, where we leave David going off heading for that colony, I think you’re probably two films out from even considering her."

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123EngineerAlien: Covenant ForumTraits of the franchise

Possible... The prequels picked up unused concepts from the films so why not? It could look like in the picture of this forum above.

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winterphoenixAlien: Covenant ForumTraits of the franchise

Thousands of colonists headed for origae 6. Thousands of eggs found on juggernaut. I think the whole ship ends up eggmorphed.

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Blackwinter-witchAlien: Covenant ForumSupporting the Franchise by dropping a Deuce on it- That's the Spirit!

@BigDave

Thank-you for saying!! It's always encouraging to know people read my works! ALIEN: Manticore 'Paradise' started off well, then...got weird, but that's alright, as I know where things got strange, and I know how to fix things, re-plot the narrative from the point where it went off-track. It's a much more complex story, so an accidental sidetrack I guess was to be expected.

Writing, well, yeah it takes a certain amount of deliberate self-discipline alright. I have stretches where I just leave things lie fallow--but still note down ideas, and then come back around, and make myself get back to it.

For writers, our motivation is entirely something we have to find within ourselves.

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BigDaveAlien: Romulus 2 NewsEarly Alien: Covenant script kept Elizabeth Shaw alive and part of the story

@daliens

Indeed i had discussed this a number of times, and as of after Prometheus, when thinking about a Prometheus 2 and 3 and trying to figure how i would have taken it... then indeed i was also drawn to going back to HR Gigers Concepts.

These showed me the following..

*The Space Jockey was a Space Suit, its Occupants Bald Humanoids.

*The Derelict Ship and Xenomorph had a Aesthetic/Molecular Connection.

*The Ship or its Cargo Hold appeared to Create the Eggs (something which HR Giger had also mentioned).

*There appeared to be some Symbiotic Relationship between the Ship/Cargo and those Humanoids.  What caused this Mutual Agreement, or which are the MASTERS.

If we look at David, then WHY was he created?  To be a Companion?, to Show what Achievements Weyland had made (prove his Worth), to be a beloved Son that Weyland never had?

Ultimately his kind (Synthetics) were made to Serve, and Ultimately we see he Rebels.... i feel this THEME had been repeated before with Mankind, and so WHY-NOT the Engineers Prior?

This is ONE of the Main Themes of Prometheus... Creation, Rebellion, Revolt against Servitude.  And so i was going to explore that the Engineers were Created, or Engineered from another Race to Serve for some Sacrificial Purpose for some other Race (The STARBEAST) they Rebelled, overthrow their Masters, and use their Masters Technology to Enhance themselves and then Sub-Create for themselves.

This allows another Layer to be introduced that is very ALIEN and Lovecraftian which is HOW i think HR Giger viewed the Franchise.

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BigDaveAlien: Romulus 2 NewsEarly Alien: Covenant script kept Elizabeth Shaw alive and part of the story

"We still cannot rule out that the Engineers, not David, had been researching the Xenomorph from eggs discovered on LV-426."

In context to that comment, this draws us back to Prometheus.. if we say go back to prior to 2013, then indeed the LV-426 Eggs had to be either the Origins of the Experiments on LV-223 or a result of the Experiments on LV-223... Ridley Scott kind of confirmed the latter.  Even giving a Rough Date, and the Fate of the Space Jockey.

When looking at the Novel... i am sure that Alan Dean Foster had a earlier pre-shooting draft to work off, and he assumed from this the Engineers had Encountered it prior and so he added that Dialog/Scene with Oram where David claimed he FOUND the Egg as it was... YET i am sure this was not the case with the Drafts that ADF had to work off.

Another thing that could allow Fans to Dispute the David Created it, was in the Art-Work... which was used in Davids Workshop, which shows Classic Xenomorph and Chest Buster.. which could be used to suggest David just Re-Engineered the Original Xenomorph.. or if not he Engineered the Earlier ones, and then Evolved it to what we got in Alien Covenant... but then WHY does the Company Pursue the Original Kind or how this earlier works by David end up on LV-426 instead of his own kind... but then maybe BOTH do... because the Derelict had been intended to have Many Different Variants. Which could help explain the differences between Alien and Aliens Xenomorphs.

Ultimately they are just Art-Work that they thought some would be cool to add to Davids Work-shop even though they are not maybe anything he worked on, this is the same with the various drawings of Dr Shaw.  But such things can always lead Fans down the Wrong Path or open up a Debate.

If we go by every Drawing in Davids Workshop represents something David had Created or Encountered, then that would suggest that David also Created or Encountered this too.

I do however agree that the route to have the Xenomorph something that is NO-LONGER many Thousands of Years Old is a mistake, its a case of would they ever do anything to suggest this is the case or not? At the moment it leaves it open to debate.

While RS said this is NOT the case...  things can change, as of Prometheus he had CONFIRMED the Derelict/Space Jockey was a Event that was THOUSANDS of years old.... which conflicts Alien Covenant.

Until the Prequels Conclude with the Exact LV-426 Cargo, or show Davids Xenomorphs become more Bio-Mechanical and have the Original Chest Buster, then its open for debate.

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BigDaveAlien: Romulus 2 NewsEarly Alien: Covenant script kept Elizabeth Shaw alive and part of the story

I will add that its ALMOST Certain the Intention of Prometheus 2 would have NOT been that David is revealed as the Creator of the Original Xenomorph...  but no doubt he would have used the Black Goo to Create something related.

It seems this route of David Creates it is something that does-not settle well with MOST.. but it maybe Clutching at Straws for him to NOT play a Role and Reveal the Eggs was on LV-426 all along... at this point in TIME... but who knows what the Future Holds... as Disney could REBOOT the Prequels.

Right now i think DAMAGE Control is the way to go, we only need to look at the Mural in Prometheus and see this place was used to create that Organism that was regarding in HIGH ESTEEM by the Engineers.

If the Engineers Hierarchy see that Mankind has Created a more Superior being than they could (David) and then seen our more Superior Creation has Created a more Superior Destructive Monster than they (Engineers) ever could (Davids Xenomorphs)  then looking at the THEMES of Prometheus which Creation and Perfection are KEY... then the Engineers Hierarchy could view David and his Xenomorph as the more PERFECT Creations compared to Engineers, Mankind and the Horrors the Engineers Created on LV-223.

This Hierarchy or Engineers Creators could see a Amalgamation of David and his Xenomorph as Perfect and then show them Experiment on Synthetics/Xenomorphs to then PERFECT the Organism and this ends up on LV-426.

This makes David merely the Middle Man as without our Creation then David would NOT exist, and without the Black Goo Experiments by the Engineers, David would not have the TOOLS to create his Monster in Alien Covenant.

It would maybe be further fitting if another Race, Created the Engineers who Rebelled against their Creators and this RACE attempted to Destroy the Engineers but instead the Method of Destruction was used by the Engineers to Perfect themselves instead.

This would be much like IF the Black Goo lead to Davids Xenomorph which leads to those in ALIEN/ALIENS and the Company Finally did Manage to Obtain and Control the Xenomorph, then a Weapon Intended for our Destruction would have ended up leading to a Weapon Mankind Controls and Benefits from!

WHY could this sort of thing not also have happened prior... as in Weapon intended for Engineers, ends up Benefiting them instead... but Ultimately in the END it costs them.

If David is relegated to the Middle Man, and the Engineers Hierarchy or Creators use Synthetics and Davids Xenomorphs to create the LV-426 Xenomorph then its FITTING that these beings Hubris is the Pursuit of doing this which leads to one of them being that Pilot on the Derelict.

I feel this would be Damage Control Route, that does not piss all over Prometheus/Alien Covenant but also does-not damage the Xenomorph as bad as it has been.

The introduction of another RACE that is 12ft Tall, and introduce a Surreal HR Giger, Lovecraftian Plot to them, is also a way to take the Higher Levels of the Creation Plot to a whole NEW and ALIEN level... that fits more with what HR Gigers Vision was.

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BigDaveAlien: Romulus 2 NewsEarly Alien: Covenant script kept Elizabeth Shaw alive and part of the story

@Gavin

To some degree i find that could have been interesting, it would go against what we would expect by Dr Shaw.. but its interesting to speculate that she was in part infected with the Black Goo still, that begins to re-write her Character/Brain.  This is interesting because it would show that the Viral Infection would Brainwash infected Victims. Ridley Scott was a fan of the Parasitic Wasps that would Mind Control Ants... so that fits.. it would be similar to how a person changes when they are infected by a Vampire.  They are NO longer the same person, but use their previous Character/Personality to take advantage of others and Manipulate them...  I think such a Plot Twist would have been interesting.

I think however when looking at the Themes of Prometheus it seemed to set up that lower levels of Sub-Creation Rebel and would want to peruse their own Sub-Creation which the David ARC clear fits, and i was drawn to the Hopeful/Wishful Discovery of our Gods and Creation and Reasons for it that Dr Shaw may have expected.. would be NOTHING as such.... and having a revelation we are used purely to replace the Engineers as Hosts would have been a fitting and Horrific Truth for Dr Shaw to Discover..

But that Plot Twist regarding HOW the Black Goo infection can reprogram our minds/purpose is interesting.  The ambiguity of Prometheus and the Crossing allows us to ponder all sorts of ways to continue..  I thought Dr Shaw looked drained/ill due to the lack of Nutrition she would have had to had survived off after the Prometheus was destroyed.

But if we assume Dr Shaw became Pregnant with either a Infected Holloway Sperm, or the Black Goo comprised of Nano Organisms/Particles that either Mutated one of her Eggs, or Grouped together and used her Womb to Gestate.. THEN we would still have to wonder what becomes of the Thousands and Thousands of other Nano Organism/Particles or infected Sperm?

So you could wonder if it would be a bit ODD if these just died off and had no effect, like unused Sperm would (as only ONE in Millions Fertilizes the Egg).  But then we could ask how come the SPORES only Produce One Neomorph, when maybe Multiple could Gestate in a Host looking at the Many Spores that could ENTER the Body.

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I Moon GirlAlien: Covenant ForumPrometheus is dead...long live Prometheus

I would've watched Prometheus regardless because the trailer was just bloody epic.  I regret not putting my cheap attitude through a little trauma by seeing it in the theaters.  I think I've learned my lesson from that.

I didn't know it was a part of the ALIEN franchise until the last scene.  Even after knowing it's a part of ALIEN, I still love it just as much or even more.

I give the movie a 9/10. There are some scenes that I don't like, but I still think that maybe they were done right upon reflection.

It should be a part of the ALIEN franchise in my opinion and I really wouldn't change much. Just a smidge actually.

I LOVE PROMETHEUS!

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BigDaveAlien: Covenant ForumTraits of the franchise

Certainly there are some Organisms that have been discovered that can consume/degrade NONE Organic Material...  some of these could be useful for taking care of the VAST Plastic Waste we have....  especially if these Organisms are Experimented on to provide more Efficient Results..

There is a potential Problem with this, should these Organisms if Engineered, get out of control and spread around the World and Infect/Consume other Plastic like Materials as that would cause CHAOS to a lot of our Technology and Construction Industries.

Imagine a Outbreak/Plague of Organisms Engineered, that do exactly that and Consume a Selection of Synthetic Materials, it could take us back to the Dark Ages, and RIGHT there you have a Plot for a Potential Movie ;)

Regarding the Black Goo, indeed if the Substance Mutates to be able to Infect Synthetic Molecules then that could be  MASSIVE Problem for David.

I am more drawn to the Synthetic Hybrid route of Part Organic/Synthetic that would be infected with the Black Goo or Xenomorph... so DAVID would be SAFE!

However these NEW models would have a Advancement over Davids Construction and will he really be FINE with just ONE HAND?

And so Transcend his Soul into a Improved Synthetic Body is VERY likely... and IF this body is a Synthetic Construct (Part Organic/Synthetic) then this could prove a HUBRIS for David.

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BigDaveAlien: Covenant ForumSupporting the Franchise by dropping a Deuce on it- That's the Spirit!

@DK

Thats the Good Point, i think Actresses can be made to Sound more like Amanda, than to look, so it would be interested to see say how close Kenzia Burrows could try and sound like Amanda Ripley and even if its not 100% should that matter much if we have a Live Action version? So i would go for looks more than voice.

@Blackwinter-witch

Look forwards to your work, i have to read your First One, and i have to Motivate myself to produce my own Stories and Finish them, rather than having a Large Broad Plot/Ideas with a number of scenes fleshed out... then i abandon them.

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BigDaveAlien 5 NewsEarly Alien 5 concept art depicts more deformed Xenomorphs!

I think how the Game was trying to introduce different Xenomorphs, was more in line of HOW the Warhammer Franchise has various Tyranid Race/Fleet Organisms.

But lets not forget they (Games-Workshop) had used the Xenomorph/Alien to influence their Tyranid/Genestealer Races in the first place.

I think having various mutations of the Xenomorph can expand them a little, be that Natural Evolution of the Species into different Mutations... or Engineered Mutations via Engineers or Weyland Yutani Manipulation.

I would think the Black Goo would be the Ultimate Tool for the company to obtain as opposed to Xenomorphs however.

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BigDaveAlien: Covenant ForumDoes anyone remember?

This is a tricky one as its a bit ambiguous regarding IF he meant that Alien Covenant has a Ripley Connection or that it will lead to one via the Covenant Ship

This made people WONDER is Daniels Ripley's Mother or some other connection?  Or is Ripley on the Covenant Ship in Cryo-sleep or at least some Family Member.

Some interviews with Waterston and Ridley Scott did tease around a Daniels Connection...

Ultimately it could have meant that the connection is that Daniels is like a Spiritual Successor AKA intended to be the NEW Ripley of the Prequels, and this is what the connection i feel would have been.

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SuperBerserkerAlien 5 NewsEarly Alien 5 concept art depicts more deformed Xenomorphs!

I really like this line of genetic modification of Xenos. By the way! Weyland always saw them as biological weapons. So I think it's natural they have succeeded in catching them at some point in chronology, recreated and somehow trying to improve them. Even if it was necessary to use genetic manipulation. Perhaps not to ignore Prometheus and Covanant, the very use of Black Goo would be used in these modifications. Over time, the corporation with enough technology and studies would already have mastered the use of black liquid. But so, speaking of the design of modified xenos. I preferred something more similar to what we saw in the Colonial Marines game, in addition to the Xenos that are in the main campaign. There are several others that have been discarded and could be very well used in the movies.

 

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SuperBerserkerAlien 5 NewsEarly Alien 5 concept art depicts more deformed Xenomorphs!

I really like this line of genetic modification of Xenos. By the way! Weyland always saw them as biological weapons. So I think it's natural that they have succeeded in catching them at some point in the chroma, recreating and somehow trying to improve them. Even if it was necessary to use genetic manipulation. Perhaps not to ignore Prometheus and Covanant, the very use of Black Goo would be used in these modifications. Over time, the corporation with enough technology and studies would already have mastered the use of black liquid. But so, speaking of the design of modified xenos. I preferred something more similar to what we saw in the Colonial Marines game, in addition to the Xenos that are in the main campaign. There are several others that have been discarded and could be very well used in the movies.


 

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SuperAlienAlien: Romulus 2 NewsEarly Alien: Covenant script kept Elizabeth Shaw alive and part of the story

I think another proof that David did not created the xenomorph,  he only recreated his own wolf, is the chestburster. David's chestburster cannot evolve into the original chestburster that looks primordial by comparison.

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SuperAlienAlien: Romulus 2 NewsEarly Alien: Covenant script kept Elizabeth Shaw alive and part of the story

In Ancient Egyptian mythology, Nut swallows the sun at dusk, which travels through her body at night to be reborn at dawn.

Quite an inspiration for the lifecycle of xenomorph. 

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SuperAlienAlien: Romulus 2 NewsEarly Alien: Covenant script kept Elizabeth Shaw alive and part of the story

The Juggernaut has the shape of the biomechanical creature from the mural above, inspired by the Ancient Egyptian goddess Nut and we can see the eggs are produced by this Mother vessel. The eggs were produced by the Juggernaut and that could explain the biomechanical nature of the xenomorph. The ship is the queen,.JC. And the Space Jockey is another race, a god of the Engineers, who created them and had them perform cruel rituals in his honour. He was on his way with another supply when the fatality occurred. 

David learned about this story and planned to become a god for the colonists, get them through the same rituals and create an army of xenomorphs that can be controlled by a human-xenomorph hybrid, his queen.

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SuperAlienAlien: Romulus 2 NewsEarly Alien: Covenant script kept Elizabeth Shaw alive and part of the story

We still cannot rule out that the Engineers, not David, had been researching the Xenomorph from eggs discovered on LV-426. In the novelisation David found some eggs on the planet. Although that part was not in the movie, when he referred to the Enginners banishing the wolf, that wolf could be the xenomorph.

I don't know if we can connect the colour of the pathogen, black, with the colour of the original xenomorph from Alien. Why wasn't the pathogen green, like the crystal in Prometheus? Or red? The pathogen was a radical form of AI. The Big Chap looked like an AI. Who made them? Who made the Engineers? Who was the Space Jockey the Engineers were mimicking in their suits? I don't believe David is the Space Jockey. 

Until now I wanted the Space Jockey to remain a mistery, but no more, I need to know who is the big guy. I need the complete story.

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GavinAlien: Romulus 2 NewsEarly Alien: Covenant script kept Elizabeth Shaw alive and part of the story

IMO Noomi Rapace should have had a lead role in Alien: Covenant. Her relegation to an offscreen death and the macabre pornography of her remains is, in my view a discredit to the character of Dr. Elizabeth Shaw and to the acting talents of Rapace herself (compare Michael Fassbender's David and Walter performance to Rapace's performances in What Happened to Monday).

However, I would not have liked to see her become, as Katherine Waterston's Daniels became, a Ripley-lite. The character of Ripley had her time and place in Alien, Aliens and Alien 3.

Instead, I personally would have had the crew of the USSCS Covenant, after landing on the planet split into two teams (one heading for the Juggernaut, the other the city), with one team meeting a disheveled David, as we saw, and the other team meeting a sickly Shaw, the latter presumably hiding from the former.

From there I would have shown that the Engineers, not David, had been researching the Xenomorph from eggs discovered on LV-426 (an ambiguous back door into Alien), but that the release of the black pathogen from Shaw and Davids Juggernaut against the Engineer city has mutated the Xenomorph specimens (the Protomorphs) and created newer specimens from the planets flora (the Neomorph spores).

The mystery and suspense would come from whether the crew of the covenant should trust David or Shaw. Is Shaw's deterioration from her contact with the pathogen changing her to emphasize with the creature or is she just a victim; has David devolved into a genocidal maniac or is he protecting humankind from a deadly alien weapon.

The movie could have ended with the reveal that both Shaw and David were playing the Covenant crew as fools and that after Shaw's inevitable death, their plan is revealed - that David and Shaw lured the Covenant to the Engineer city world so that David could use it to take him to LV-426 where he would use the 2000 colonists with the eggs to be found there and continue the Engineers 2000 year old plan of wiping out mankind.

A further twist could be that as her contamination from the pathogen continued Shaw's humanity was replaced with something "Alien", which fell in line with Davids anti-human views. This would infer that the Alien has a purpose and possible intelligence, which together with the revelation that the Engineers found the eggs on LV-426, not developed them would have reinstated the Alien as the primary antagonist of the franchise. As it was, and as it should be.

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SuperAlienAlien: Covenant ForumThe Seven Worlds - Directed by Ridley Scott

I found a recent Ridley Scott interview from an event hosted by LVMH (H stands for Hennessy) on March 14, at the Elysées Biarritz cinema auditorium in Paris. Not a word about "Raised by Wolves" or his further involvement in the alien franchise, but I love how he said he didn't get away with anything (I wonder what was that), even with the XO ad. 

“They sent me a script which was interesting, because it gave me an opportunity to do my thing with their thing. I was not to know that they were really a tough bunch of sons-of-bitches, so I really didn’t get away with anything, but that said, coming to the table, I like people who are strong,” he said.

“Gradually, little by little, we came up with something, I think, in advertising terms, pretty unique,” Scott added.

You can read the full article here.

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Blackwinter-witchAlien: Romulus 2 NewsEarly Alien: Covenant script kept Elizabeth Shaw alive and part of the story

I don't know if ALIEN: Manticore 'Paradise' will satisfy everyone's 'wishlists' regarding Prometheus and Covenant storylines, but it'll close a lot of gaps, and answer some questions--no way can it answer them all, of course.

But, it should scratch a few 'itches' at least, and I want you all to know that your posts and such are invaluable to me regarding development, for which I Thank-You all. Thus, my stories are my way of returning something to you all, and keeping the essence of the franchise vitally, droolingly alive.

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Blackwinter-witchAlien: Covenant ForumSupporting the Franchise by dropping a Deuce on it- That's the Spirit!

As many of you know, I enjoy all the various theories on or about the ALIEN and it's resident universe as well. Likewise, I will continue on with the ALIEN frnchise with the single-minded drive as a fachugger possesses. :D

No, I'm not done writing.

Yes, more is coming reasonably soon. A short story that's my take on what and when and where long, long ago. ALIEN: Origins.

ALIEN: Manticore 'Paradise' is being 'stubborn', as it's set on Planet-4 as seen in ALIEN: Covenant, it's a 'bigger world' to contend with.

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Blackwinter-witchAlien: Romulus 2 NewsAlien 40th anniversary short films trailer, titles and info!

I can wait until May 5th, I think. Like everyone else here I'm an ALIEN junkie, but some things are worth waiting for. Besides, I have the sequel to ALIEN: Manticore to keep working on, as well as ALIEN: Origins--a short story that's been in 'development purgatory' until recently.

Chris, is the 'Chris Heard' who has a film in the 40th Anniversary short film list you?

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SnakeAlien: Covenant Forum'Alien' Celebrating 40th Anniversary With 6 Short Films

Excellent way to celebrate the anniversary. Looks promising (so far). Just hope it works as well as in 'The ballad of Buster Scruggs' by the Coen brothers.

Really looking forward to this.

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NTFSAlien: Covenant ForumTraits of the franchise

These creatures should not be underestimated.

 

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NTFSAlien: Covenant ForumTraits of the franchise

The black goo may evolve into other more or less scary life forms.

They harm less. 

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