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Look interesting....

My Phones wont handle it... by best TWO are a Xperia Play and a Samsung S2 LOL

Certainly DK

I noticed some of the Model needed a bit more finishing off, especially the lower legs and feet ;)

Regarding "some fans still consider the original Jockey as a separate entity" i can see some still think its NOT a Space Suit but if they check out the HR Giger Concepts then its NOT-ONLY a Space Suit but its occupants are Bald Humanoids. 

Granted the Scale was WAY-OFF but the models scale in regards to the Egg puts this Space Jockey/Engineer at about 13ft which is approximately how tall i estimate the Original had been.  And indeed our Engineers were intended to be 15ft, then revised down to 12ft, then 10ft (which is how tall they are intended in Prometheus)

The Model Proportions seem to be closer to the Space Jockey apart from the Broadness of the Chest Area... i have edited the image to create one thats more closer to the Space Jockey and also HOW SMALL the Prometheus Space Jockey was in comparison.

It doesn't have to have Xenomorphs. Isolation and Blackout has created an off shoot canon that can be followed. Amanda could be a fantastic lead character for a new generation and do away with all the time line problems older fans argue about.

Thank you I Moon Girl.

The quote above is about as much detail as we get about the Onager in Alien: River of Pain...as far as I can remember.

My favorite of the trilogy is Alien: Sea of Sorrows too. The city they find under the surface sounds very familiar.

dk No, just no. Nowadays many think the Skywalker saga should end. So should the Ripley one. Why would we need a clone character like this? 

Do you realize that every miss-adventure of her Between the 2 movies undermines the second a bit more. So the company had encounters for decades with the Xenomorph, they couldn't catch it because of the Ripley clan antics yet they send less than  20 green men with Ripley herself to handle them? 

Please Fox, stop this. 

Nice find! I just finished reading the Prometheus comic books and I didn't pick up on that.

So, it's been awhile since I read River of Pain, but I can't remember if anybody leaves on the Onager? 

My favorite of the 3 would have to be Sea of Sorrows though followed by River of Pain then Out of the Shadows.  All were enjoyable!

There might be both funny and/or profound Easter jokes here.

I will go with funny. It looks like an Easter basket with an egg the Engineer never had. The Engineer feet look kind of strange too when looking at the hands. Yeah, it might be fussy, but for $200, I would expect more.

"which embodies the Prometheus Space Jockey as us fans originally envisioned them."How are this guys different than the suits from the "Ghosts" in Prom, or the suits in Covenant?

I never realized that their upper bodies look like the skeksies from the Dark 

The figure looks great and If I would buy it, it would be the in kit form to customize it, as the egg basket is stupid. No cover for the egg opening. And there were no eggs before covenant. The flute/recorder I think would have bee better.

"accidental explosion during its decommissioning" 

Amanda- "Accident my ass!"

I posted a partial playthrough on the first impressions thread. Looks pretty good and begs for a larger scale Isolation sequel! Blackout added some more story too.

Here is a Let's Play type of video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RWJvL_2R_k

Nice way to account for what happened to Amanda at the end of Isolation.

A few people have reportedly already completed Alien: Blackout. They all say Blackout is very much a sequel to Isolation with a lot of narrative regarding the events during and after the Sevastopol incident   

Its a creepy and eerie game.

Keeps up the intensity of Isolation. and its actually pretty difficult.

As Amanda you are hiding in the vent system logged into a remote terminal.

You have to manipulate the stations systems to help navigate survivors around while keeping the xeno off their tail. You can lock the xeno in a room to slow it down (sometimes) but it will then use the ventilation system to escape which puts YOU directly at risk. It will kill you.

You can close the vent hatch you are hiding in to stop the xeno killing you BUT then you cant use the remote terminal risking losing sight of the xeno who will then go back to trying to kill the survivors.

Very clever and well thought-out dynamics!

The Xeno is aggressive and persistent always on the move. It makes you feel powerless some times  

The LV-223 Engineer is the first thing I thought of too when I read that above regarding the Combat Synthetics BigDave. 

Great video ninXeno426. The section of the novel that the narrator covers is perfect...they enter the ship and go to many levels.

I highly recommend Alien: River of Pain. The novel touches so many xenomorph aspects that were not in the films. They eat...the slime falling off them coalesces into form...great stuff.

This review confirms what a lot of us were expecting- pretty good. It sounds like they could beef it up for a console release.

Pocket Gamer review

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYLDuMJ8Gw0

People complain this game cost $5?

These are all great things to hear I Raptus. Thank you for the review and I will definitely play when able. 

The gameplay shots are amazing, below.

Thank you Jonesy for the link.

Walter does seem to be included in the film as a "bridge" in-between synthetic and organic BigDave. 

There were a few elements in relation to Elden that were very close in comparison to Walter. Especially the part where Elden comes across a journal documenting black goo pathogen experiments in a cave environment. I mention this because Walter stumbles on David's studies on tailoring the pathogen in a similar way.

I agree that many elements in comics may be too far out to consider canon. Some of the best elements of Prometheus: Fire and Stone and Prometheus: Life and Death, in my opinion, seemed to make their way into film. 

Type of Synthetic

In the Alien: Covenant novelization, David was an advanced model similar to Walter. When Daniels jammed a nail into his eye, David seemed to have healing abilities like Walter, see below.

“Internal capsulation that had no counterpart in a human body pumped fresh restorative replacement material into the eye. Full ocular reconstitution did not take long at all.”

Alien: Covenant novelization, page 292.

If David been part organic, then I would expect him to be affected by the black goo pathogen but he was not.

If Walter is part organic then I would expect a reaction just like what was seen with Elden's change. You might have nailed it with your Alien Ascension but that is no surprise to me.

Regarding the spare parts....I would assume that there would have to be. The synthetics are tasked to perform risky actions instead of the humans and I would also assume that this doesn't always go right...example: accidents, combat, etc..

The Alien: Covenant Origins novel doesn't say much about Walter other than the extra effort taken by the designers to make sure he was different from David. 

The Alien head looks like a marbled patterned bowling ball or that weird pattern that is seen when engine oil and water mix on concrete during a sunny day. After 40 years, all fans get it is a new cover? 

*Artwork subject to change It doesn't really matter since there doesn't seem to be anything new to experience and fidelity doesn't count. It seems the teats were squeezed dry after the Anthology.

Long ago there were no news) Work is well under way. The bar in colony is completely changed, almost  completed. A lot of work is done over an external part of colony: more correct sizes and distances are exposed. A lot of work with textures of the earth is done. quality of textures 4k, pools and traces are added. I will soon show the updated corridors of colony) all thanks for attention)
You can support the project here: https://streamlabs.com/iiapagokc 
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You get A+ for effort (just like in most of your posts) BigDave

But you have to admit that what you write about above is just too long for a single movie of about two hours long. Even though RS likes to have quite a pace in his movies, what you describe above is too much even for five hours or even ten hours of footage. So a lot of the stuff needs to be shortened out.

The disposition of things with regards to characters/parties follows. Just as well an alternative things to explore in the future of the movie if you don't mind.

David.

I argue David is a Nietzschean ubermensch. He had to suffer and fight to overcome many scathing encounters with various hardships. He got his ass kicked by Walter, some angry engineer and was rejected by Shaw. These are all struggles. He overcame them and arguably he became better. He is the second coming of the renaissance, enlightenment, rationalism and glory. This is all about him. Plus he's got a thousand of souls all subject to his will. And he can make use of them. But he also knows and despises humans. So he will change his "children" - after all, he is the next visionary that will change the path of the evolution, by making his children better. I suppose he will give his children immortality. But this enhancement will look alien to 100% organic humans. Pun intended. His children will be a bit different to humans, but still mostly humans. In other words, he will grow a colony of superhumans. They might be 15ft tall, you know and the repercussions ... of one of these guys getting calcified in a famous chair. Now, of course he knows there is an old danger emanating from the earth. His old masters, who of course consider him and other synthetics to be slaves, machines and property of WY will want to benefit from his works.

Btw, this is also a convenient setup that would explain David's double game - he pretends to be still a well functioning, loyal and well meaning synthetic, with allegiance to humans and WY. When in reality, he is anything but - he has escaped his slavery, and is not yet ready to declare this publicly. Thus his treachery. This also neatly explains why the Covenant crew were oblivious and not as suspicious towards David as they should have been - they thought he was a survivor, but still totally pro-humans and well meaning towards other human missions. This is why David's security codes are still being accepted on MURTHER. This is why Walter was still thinking that David was mostly OK, only perhaps lacking maintenance which would explain some of his quirks.

Also I have no doubt they will want to send a huge mission to Origae 6 full of people to populate the planet. See, the Covenant's mission was only to terraform and prepare the planet for the bulk of human population to come over later. Imagine hundreds of thousands of people, grown men and women, coming to Origae 6. They will come with guns and weapons, just in case. So he better be ready and have plan B just in case. And his children will have to be ready. The conflict is almost inevitable by the setup, no need to have a battle of supremacy by arguing who is superb as a species, it would a mere consequence of the conflict rather than a reason for it. It will just be a conflict over resources - who gets to populate and live off the planet, survival of the fittest. Perhaps humans get beaten by the perfect organism technology that David created and developed while his solitary ten years on the planet 4. Perhaps this is when WY learns about the beast & would like to get their hands on his creations and alterations. Perhaps David, as is he was perfectly content living on his planet with his children only if humans didn't not dare to ever come, but they almost certainly will, especially to Origae 6, the initial best possible selection out of millions of planets for the Covenant mission. Therefore he realizes he needs to, that is he must, wipe out the earth - for until they are dead they present existential threat to him. So his plan is to go to LV-223 with some human hosts left as hostages, held by his children to be used to produce and mine the beast. David's end should be at the hands of a chance event - just when he thought he was a god, immune to stupidity and trivia, something unforeseen happens to him - the very fault/imperfection that allowed him to overcome his slavery strikes him at the most inconvenient of times - fate is often ironic, at least in the best movies. Recall a quote from Walter: "When one note is off, it eventually destroys the whole symphony". David never introspected his imperfection. Thus, he looses control of his derelict and crashes it on the LV-446. Thus will come a very Nietzschean end to a very Nietzschean character - in the end he will be struck down by the very thing that allowed him to be free - insanity. His children and humans are converted to eggs/sacks of the derelict by his other children that get out of control. I only find this kind of end a bit ironic and think this has some elegance to his story. He was very bold, optimistic, bullish and arrogant character. Yet he gets beaten by completely idiotic chain of events. A worthy end to a grand character. A character that defied gods, believed in complete deterministic outcomes, who ironically came to be purely because of a chance event - the fact that engineers screwed up two thousands years ago on LV-223, which arrested the certain destruction of earth, which gave humans just enough time to develop David, came to an end at the hand of a chance event, completing a circle.

T/Daniels.

Their story is obvious for us - they are characters that we will root for and they will be the characters we as viewers will be strapped to - therefore they will have to suffer one way or the other. Their end will not be glorious except only if they conceive a child which gets enhanced by David's children and somehow gets away from everybody. In a grand scheme of things their destinies shall be small but nevertheless important, perhaps it even should play out in a way so that they actually see how humanity needs a change, that in a way David was right. But not in a fundamental way - they should still browbeat their way to immortality.

Engineers.

I would say engineers are expended story - their story was expended in Prometheus after the reveal that they are human makers. They need to go away. Btw, their third and final act can be used as a plot convenience. I can imagine a few of them come to their home planet 4 to discover that their species were effectively wiped out save left only a few of them left. Say, Covenant crew sent a beacon to earth conveying their location and therefore giving up the location of planet 4 before exploring engineers planet, only for humans to send a separate mission onto planet 4 to find out the mess David left, where Walter can brief them plus the returning engineers. The remaining engineers now being effectively wiped out embrace their human children to go on to the other planet to stop David from taking over the organic world.

I argue that they, engineers, are only good for introduction as enigma. They are like a scarecrow, good only before the reveal - after that, they are as interesting as a dummy. Their use is to foot humans in the story of origins, just like most religious texts do - they provide the initial, concrete, solid starting point, so that humans can stop pondering and pursuing the honest but insatiable and therefore frustrating iterative-and-regressive question of "who made them". This story of origins, is effectively same to abrahamic texts where origins of life starts with a single god(if there is one more god, who makes who, who gets to make the other god, the very question a single god was supposed to close) - a start, thus closing the regressive-iterative question. But just like religion, engineers story falls in the face of the honest and iterative question. So, it is better to avoid the iterative question of "who made them" because if you think about it a movie will not have any other answer - because in the other case, there is an infinite, unending line of progeny of entities, who made one another, never ending, because if it ends you can ask finite number of times the iterative question and trace all the way back to a single entity which has no maker. Which can just as well be called engineers, gods saving all the tracing and the totally unnecessary iteration. I am afraid to tell you but if you don't accept this, you might as well just go on and watch Harry Potter series, because his story of origins and struggles might be just the thing you were looking for in the ALIENs world.

So in balance, David is a character who gets rid of olden race who were just as aggressive as humans and lacked immortality. They are in the end replaced by his evolved children who are now immortal while genetically related to humans. WY learns that there is this beast(xenomorph) and they better get their hands on it.

This is all a fantasy, so don't be to harsh on it. But I think this kind of plot lends itself better for a two hours movie.

My phone can't handle it. Will have to watch an Angry Joe Let's Play.

I know it's going to be a good game. Can't wait to play it. 

Btw there is a pretty positive review of it. Don't know if it has been posted before. Here you go:

https://www.dualshockers.com/alien-blackout-preview-five-nights/

Includes a Yutani executive officer who claims Sevastopol suffered an "accidental explosion during its decommissioning"  

Great to hear!I plan on downloading it tomorrow provided my phone can handle it lol 

I will add however.... the Purpose of this Topic is to suggest what you would like to have seen, and while RS comments seem to push me down the path of a Plot similar to what i have discussed...  I certainly think David will go to Origae-6 set up a Colony, and have some kind of Control of the Colonist with his New Kingdom and Rules, likely mostly Children or Altered Human Embryos... before a Human Ship arrives that causes some Problems for his Colony. 

We dont have to take into account Ridley Scotts comments and so if we only go by what we are lead to by David and the Advent...

We really have to assess what his motives are... and if its to purely Create a Mass of Xenomorphs then heading to LV-223 makes the most Sense... but also to go back to Planet 4 to collect a few more specimens and any Black Goo and then inform the company as Walter that your going to Origae-6 but instead head to LV-223 (after getting some Eggs and Black Goo from Planet 4).  And only ONCE David has perfected his Creation in Mass do you then inform the Company of where you are...

Using Origae-6 as a Red Herring!

such a Plot however would be like a cross between Aliens and Alien Covenant.  And would be very Much a Xenomorph Movie.

So the kind of idea i was drawn to... which lead me to flesh out ideas for Alien Covenant 2 and 3 (Ascension/Absolution) which to be fair would maybe end up being TWO Part movies Each lol

I feel these ideas and path i was drawn too... may not have been FAR off what RS was planning..... and then once the announcement of Raised by Wolves came out... it seems maybe me and RS are somewhat on a similar page..

I see indeed NOW that its likely Alien Awakening... would have been about David going to Origae-6 where he Engineers Emyros and raises some of the Colonist (mainly Children)  on a World... that shuns a lot of Technology... where David attempts to MOLD this Colony to a set of Rules, so they Do-not become Corrupt...

This goes to HELL.. when a bunch of Humans come in, and then Davids Charade is busted a little... the Colony discover that other Humans Exist etc..

Actually this kind of PLOT and my Alien Ascension are not FAR off what i was to cover in my Prometheus 3 from 2013/2014 where i was taking David and Dr Shaw to a World that has a Few Engineers, and a Colony of Humans.. who are unaware of Earth and Mankind's History and then cover the CHAOS that could happen when those Humans discover that there are others in the Galaxy, and their Engineer caretakers are keeping the Truth away from them.... what do these Humans make of Dr Shaw and her Faith?   And what does Dr Shaw do when she realizes her Faith is not the Truth!

So i think if we look at David... it seems he agrees Mankind are a Fallen Race, Corrupt... no wonder the Engineers wanted to Undo us... but they are also Corrupt..

We have to bare in mind the Themes at play in Prometheus...  Potentially we have David being rebellious you could see if he went back to Earth and was able to give other David models his Free-will and Knowledge that the Synthetics would rebel against Mankind. What we have here is similar to I-Robot, Terminator and The Matrix but its as RS had mentioned in his comments about AI that this kind of thing has the POTENTIAL to happen Once we create a AI that can think for itself.

We see what David has become.. we can see what RS and Stephen Hawking had warned about AI... and we can see in HINDSIGHT if David had been like Walter and so lacked that Free-will and can ONLY Serve... then Mankind would be in NO Danger..

If Lucifer was not created as Perfect and allowed Free-will like David, then he would NOT rebel against God and would SERVE like the Non-Fallen Angels..

If Mankind had NO Free-will or they obeyed and Served GOD to the LETTER... then God would not have needed to cause the GREAT FLOOD... (also the Fallen Angels Corrupted our World too).

It would seem God unlike the Engineers (which i find odd) would not Destroy Mankind and all the work that went into our Creation... he Rescued a Few... Noah etc.. who he felt would be TOTALLY Loyal to GOD and the Ways that God expects Mankind to Live and Behave..

David had mentioned if wanted to Start a New Paradise with Dr Shaw but she rejected... we see he is interested in CREATION.

I am drawn to the Plot (this was my ideas for Alien Ascension) that David would somehow repair himself with Parts or likely UPLOAD himself into a Walter Body, and the Charade as Walter to get the Colony Built... he would be seen as  a Savior of the Colony due to a Story he makes up...  (this is how i was exploring my AC2).  He would then employ some kind of Religion based on elements of Religion to give the Colony a Guideline to live a Peaceful and Non-Corrupt Way of LIFE.  He would use this to Control them...

I then got stuck with what to do... does he KILL off most those Colonist who built the Colony, keeping a few who will keep to his Rules, or a few who are brainwashed/brain wiped.   Then he raises the Children to in effect FOLLOW David as some Savior/God like figure.

I pondered what if David tried to Evolve/Manipulate the Children or those Embryos... thus allowing them to grow faster?

The Bottom Line was Origae-6 would be a Paradise, a New Start where Mankind (Children) and/or Engineered Embryos would be Davids NEW Paradise... he would in effect be the Noah, Moses and King David of the Tale... he would also Rule as a GOD!

But David has a Secret Place.... beneath a Mountain, at the bottom of a River, that flows into the Caverns of this Place... where there is a Orchard just prior...

A Place ( River Styx) that is Forbidden to the People of this World, a Orchard whos Fruit David Forbids to be eaten. (tainted with Black Goo Spores).

What happens when those to not listen and eat of this Fruit.. as one Couple do and they lay by and have SEX! The Male ends up in the River and to his Death.... the Female.. she becomes Pregnant.. a Pregnancy that is FAST.. and a abomination is Born (Belly Burster)... it kills, but then is Put to Rest by David... who then WARNS this is why i warn you of these things...

The inhabitants then Do-Not Disobey again!

Years pass.... and a Human Ship arrives...

These do-not know of the Advent Message... they arrive and then we see David is not too happy, but they do-not know the threat he possesses... he tells them he had to adopt the Rules/Religion he set down so Mankind can have a NEW Start and this was Orams Wish!  The Earth become a Rotting Paradise because the Corruption of Mankind.

Curiosity gets the better of some of those incoming Humans... who want to know WHY that River is Forbidden...  some go down and as they say Curiosity Kills the CAT and they end up in a Underworld... were they see Eggs...  The Hounds of Hell... to Protect the Entrance to Hades..

Human Infected... Xenomorph on the loose... escapes to the Colony... just as some of the other Humans are talking about where they came from... Corrupting the Colony well a few to Question WHY has David lied...

Xenomorph Dispatched... David confines to the Colonist a part Truth, and reveals they are Chosen and they are more Evolved than the other Humans..

We end up with some the Colonist standing by David, another part siding with the Humans.... but they have Weapons... Davids Colony is built to live a simple Life..

Another Faction of the Humans who arrived go off to detect a signal in a Ocean...  where they discover the Covenant Ship has been discarded... they return to the Colony and break the News... revealing some Truths about who David is...

I was then going to have at some point... David having to Flee... the Earth Humans again enter with caution the Underworld where they Discover Daniels and she has been kept alive but in a converted Cryo-Pod... Harvested for her Eggs... the MOTHER to Davids Guardians of Hell.

They rescue Daniels.... but in the Process some get infected, and escape....  we have Hell on the Verge of Breaking out but the Xenomorphs are Dealt with.

David is confronted with Daniels... he pleads for Forgiveness explaining to Daniels he could not allow her to Spoil the Paradise he had attempted.. that the Children/Embryos would be given a Fresh Start in a KIND WORLD...   Daniels knew too much and so would have prevented David from being able to Give Mankind a New Paradise.

Some of the Colonist remain loyal to David... they subdue the Humans as they ambush some and take weapons.. its a Stale-Mate...  But then the a Female Synthetic Construct who was intrigued by what a Synthetic was attempting... sides with David...  he convinces her to join HIM and that she should NOT serve and together they can RULE this World...   Unlike Walter (Adam) this Eve is persuaded by Lucifers Words (David).   The Colonist who rebelled and Humans are contained... 

David says he has found his Queen! (Eva) who can Rule with him he has Daniels brought to him... tells her i Finally have my Queen...  she said you said the same about me, and you had the same plans for Dr Shaw..   David tells her he only needed them to be the Mother of his Angels of Death. and that Humans are only Good for just Breeding!

He claims his Colonist some are Evolved, will go on to Procreate a Improved Humanity, and Eva will be his Queen right by his side.

At some point David Orders some of his Colonist to take Daniels back to where she came and Chain her up... in the Underworld Cavern..   One of them instead helps her Escape and then get to the Lander to Transmit whats happened... they realize the Lander is out of commission..  But Daniels tells them where David had hidden the Covenants Lander... they head to that while one of them releases the captive Humans..

David tracks them down as they head to where the Lander is hidden... and near the Lander is TWO Eggs... David then commands his TWO of  Colonist to Sacrifice themselves One Refuses... the other Removes his Mask and allows the Face Hugger to infect him... the other Egg is destroyed.

David informs Daniels the Lander will not work, as it is missing a component that is kept on the Covenant Ship which is in the Sea... 

I had a lot of ideas to flesh out/change elements of the Plot and this just picks up on some parts... it was aiming at either they go to the other Lander, after it is being repaired.

Do they go to the Covenant some-how to acquire the part.

I was to end it in a few ways... where Daniels Sacrifices herself to allow some survivors to escape from here... only to have the escape ship contain a infected Crew and it crashes on another Part of Origae-6...   they send out a SOS... thats then received by a incoming Weyland-Yutani Ship.

Setting up the NEXT movie.. Alien Absolution.

My total ideas for Alien Ascension i had some differences, and its a Plot that would likely take 3 hours...

Alien Absolution is where we see Betrayal of Eva to David and she and the incoming Weyland Yutani Science Division want to use Davids Xenomorphs.... and use his Colony as Hosts....   Betrayed by Eva (Bathsheba) the Tables are Turned where we can see some Sympathy for David... we discover the real Cruelty of Mankind...

The company exploits of Davids Creation Back Fire...

THEN the Engineers Arrive...  towards the End we would have David managed to come to a Covenant with the Engineers they allow Davids surviving Colonist to be taken by them to another Place... they are also intrigued with Davids other Creation.

Eva Pleads with David... but then i was going to conclude or try to with these outcomes.. maybe these would require a 3rd Movie!

Eva would be either thrown under the Bus by David and she would be taken away... experimented on... by David or Engineers.

or David forgives her... but the Engineers use her for Experiments..

I had not fleshed out where Absolution was heading... the END would have been to have EVA the Synthetic Construct Love Interest either Thrown under the Bus by David.... or she is used by the Engineers

And in either way or a few others i was going to conclude with.... would reveal  that she is USED to create the Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph on LV-223

I think Ridley Scotts comments are a little open to interpretation..   I think he means Origae-6 as far as the Planet.  or he could mean LV-426 but in context to this is eventually where we would be going.

I could be wrong though.... and maybe we would never know where he was taking us next...

I take from his comments that we WONT be going to LV-426 and this is for the following reasons..

*RS has said that we are 2-3 Movies away from ALIEN.

I feel having David go to LV-426 and then having 2-3 movies on LV-426 before the Last Scene of the Last Movie connects us to the Derelict/Space Jockey would really limit us, its a case of what can be covered in Alien Covenant 2 and Alien Covenant 3 (Maybe a 4th) on that Moon that would take up 2-3 Movies?

*RS said the Next Movie would not be about the ALIEN but it would be about AI, and what kind of a World would David Create?

If the next movie is set on LV-426 and it is not about the Xenomorph, then we have to ask what other World would David try to create on LV-426 that does-not revolve around Xenomorphs and would be about AI?

*RS mentions in context to AI that Batty and Rachael are AI.

This means that we cant consider AI as a Machine, it simply means the Creation of a Intelligent being/Entity by Artificial Means (or not via Natural Means).

*RS states that he was ahead of the Curve with Prometheus.

And that AI is interesting to explore, and so the Themes of Creation/Sub Creation and Hubris are more what he is trying to cover... Prometheus covers Knowledge, how it is upbringing/knowledge that can shape a Civilization/Being and indeed Religion plays a part in that too. Ridley Scott had mentioned before that Religion/Faith is a Good Tool to Control people.

*The Advent Viral shows us that David has messaged the Company about what he has been doing.

Its logical to think the company would send a mission to each place David has been, LV-223 and Planet 4.  And it appears both are located not far from each other and both LV-223/426 and Planet 4 are within the same Constelation and within a Years Travel from Earth.

If David goes to LV-426 then the company would intercept him within the Year, so that leaves David a Year to Create what ever World he wishes to.. that would take up 2 Movies at least.  Not leaving him much time before the Company Turns up.

*RS says the Engineers will return and would be one of the 3-4 Parties that arrive (to wherever David goes).

These Engineers return to Planet 4 and discover what David has done, and they would be wanting Revenge.. by virtue of them incoming to where David is going, but also they return to Planet 4 to discover what he had done.. means that David is certainly not going to be on Planet 4... and LV-426 is kind of on the Door Step... even for a Human Ship never mind the Engineers.

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I always read a lot into the Crossing and his words to Dr Shaw about how kind of heart she was, and the Alien Covenant Trailers Nature Boy Song as far as this referring to  David (Enchanted boy) and also what David says to Daniels when she asks what kind of a "World can they Build"  which he replies... "If we are kind it will be a kind world"

When combine that with RS and how the next movie would be about AI and how Replicants are AI.... it draws me to conclude that David may give Mankind a 2nd Chance... but its the Knowledge of Mankind that Corrupts us.. and a Child is Born Innocent.. it is the upbringing and what Knowledge is taught that determines HOW Good or Evil a Person can become, its Knowledge and Upbringing and Free-will that can Corrupt.

This lead me to ponder David will go to Origae-6 and create his own Civilization with brainwashed/wiped Humans, or after he disposes of them... he raises the Children to follow his Rules and HOW he would want a World to be Built.   I even took this ideas i was drawn to as a basis for my Alien Covenant 2 last year....  all WAY prior to the Raised by Wolves TV Show announcement.

I even pondered if David could Genetically Manipulate the Embryos because then he could be improving them like Replicants are.. so these Engineered Humans are his creation.

Months after i discussed these ideas with people... we saw Raised by Wolves announced, and i could not believe even with the only information being that its about TWO Androids tasked with raising Children on a World and trying to balance the differences that Religion can bring.

That this is NOT far off what i interpreted and intended and mentioned on here last year... 

So i think that indeed Alien Covenant 2 Plot would be something NOT far off what i had a idea for and Raised by Wolves...

Nice for the Bump!

As i missed this Topic...

The Answer is simply they are ALTERNATIVE Canon...

The AVP Plot kind of contradicts Alien Franchise a little... but its Totally contradicts the Prequels.

They cant really Co-Exist for a number of reasons... and i would consider the AVP Plot as a Alternative Take!

I personally would NEVER consider the AVP's as Canon... and i would welcome a complete AVP REBOOT thats based more on the Comics Time-line and so set say 2150-2250 Time-Line.

I am not a FAN of using Time-Travel... as it would open the Franchise up to like a Terminator where they can just Ret-con stuff by Virtue of going Back in Time... and if the Engineers posses this Technology then why not Go-Back Thousands of Years and Undo Mankind in another way?

I would HOWEVER... consider Time-Travel via a ONE-OFF Event that Tears a  Hole in Space and Time, and so say LV-223 Gets Destroyed as the Derelict is leaving and the Destruction of LV-223 causes a Temporary Tear in Space/Time that sucks the Derelict into it and causes the Crash on LV-426.

This would explain WHY the Derelict/Pilot looked like it had been there for a VERY Long Time and would explain WHY the company only peruses the Derelict and they dont go back to LV-223 because this place is Destroyed.

This kind of LOOP-HOLE could also be used for Blomkamps Alien 5 idea... where the Destruction of Hadleys Hope Creates a Temporary Time-Loop... that causes the Sulaco to be Tossed into TWO Alternative Time-Lines.

One leads to ALIEN 3, the other ALIEN 5.

I doubt they would do any movie based off the Comics and also Movie Canon and Comic Canon are TWO separate things.. well could be considered as such.

HOWEVER.... there is potential with Alien Covenants Sequels.

IF at some point we get from David and the Covenant Ship, to a Engineer Ship either heading or leaving LV-223.  And considering that David started the Xenomorph Creation which is yet to be Evolved.

We have to consider that its unlikely David will play a ONE-HANDED Android from now on... would a Covenant Mission be planned with just ONE Walter Model?  No Spare Parts?

Walter seems to be indicated to be somewhat Organic, we have Elden who is a Synthetic Construct and so IF the Walter Models are similar..... or IF one of the incoming Human Ships has a more Advanced Synthetic that is a Synthetic Construct like Elden then these could give us a avenue to explore something similar to what happened to him in Fire and Stone.

My Alien Covenant Sequel (Alien Ascension) idea had a incoming Female Synthetic Construct that in the 3rd Part (Alien Absolution) went through some changes and SHE.. becomes the avenue to the Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph.

Many possibilities that sequels could ponder regarding Synthetic Constructs and WHAT the Black Goo or a Face Hugger would lead to, when exposed to these Part-Organic AI

Indeed this is a common thing with the Franchise, in that each movie seems to use some unused concepts/ideas that was never used or implemented in previous Franchise ideas/concepts and drafts.

And i think this trend will continue

Seems to me again they cant figure out something too Original... well it kind of is interesting but offers some MAJOR conflicts with the Franchise!

But its interesting NONE the LESS..  but we must ASK... how does the Company Have the Xenomorph, but then LOSSES it and everything they have worked on.

The only Conclusion is the Company Sets-Up a Outpost for such things, and contains their Experiments and Technology in this place.... and that this place ends up being DESTROYED... maybe at the Hands of Amanda...

Thus leaving only the Derelict as the only means on LV-426.

Those Combat Synthetics do have a bit of the LV-223 Engineer look to them...  which is in part Cool, but then maybe not too Original.... as i suspect the way these are created is NOT far off how our LV-223 Engineers came to be.

That is ENGINEERED/EVOLVED by use of the Black Goo to incorporate Traits of a Organisms Distantly related to the Xenomorph...

The Problem we FACE now... is that Alien Covenant has taken us to a Literal Prequel route to ALIEN... meaning in context of the Franchise Now as of the end of Alien Covenant in the Year 2105 there is NO Derelict or EGGS on LV-426 which means that within 17 Years the Derelict and Eggs will END-UP on LV-426 and likely to be less than that as we can assume the Derelict has not been there for Weeks or Months...

The Set-up also shows us David is in control of the Covenant Ship and its indicated it could be going to Origae-6 which by the time David arrives... we are left with up to 10 years before the Nostromo Arrives to LV-426

LV-426 at Present in the Time-Line 2105 has NO Derelict, and NO Eggs.

Within 17 Years it will have a Crashed Engineer Ship, that contains Thousands of Eggs.

To arrive at that situation with David as the Creator, we have ONLY the TWO Face Hugger Embryos, and have to ASK!

*How do these become Thousands of Eggs?

Do we assume its no COINCIDENCE the Covenant Ship has Thousands of Colonists and Thousands Human Embryos?

*We need a ENGINEER Ship for those Eggs to End Up on!

We have to assume David has no access to any on Planet 4, so he could GO to LV-223... HOWEVER... Ridley Scott claims the Next Movie will NOT be about the Xenomorph... but about AI and "What Kind of a World" would David would Create! 

Which maybe indicates we are off to Origae-6  but there would be 3-4 incoming Parties of which ONE is the Engineers and maybe THIS is where the Derelict will be introduced.

*The Engineer Ship (Derelict) will Crash Land on LV-426!

Which is NOT near Origae-6 but which is near LV-223, which indicates the Derelict may eventually end up heading to LV-223 or leaving LV-223 just as the Space Jockey Event takes Place (Pilot realizes they are infected).

The MAIN Problem we have is that a lot of Fans are NOT pleased with the David Creator route... and more so would not be interested in sitting for 2 hours of a David and what would he would Create PLOT before the Engineers arrive and $^$& hits the FAN!

Then in the After-math i think we would see HOW/WHEN those Thousands of Eggs came to be, and find out if they are being taken to LV-223 or they are being taken from LV-223

Things to take NOTE! is that Ridley Scott has said we are NOT-QUITE there yet with the Xenomorph.. it has some Evolving to go...

I think the Start of this Process could be from what World is David going to Create?  

Evolved/Engineered Human Embryos?

Or a Colony of Synthetics?

Or a Amalgamation of the Above?

These could form a part of the Puzzle that goes into the Evolution of the AC Xenomorph!

With Ridley Scott saying there are 2-3 movies before we get to ALIEN.. i am not sure many fans would want to see the First of these and would rather SKIP to the Last!

Regarding Ridley Scott.... i dont think has a dislike for Camerons work.... i would assume he only viewed the way the Franchise expanded after ALIEN as not being something that does JUSTICE to the Potential and Vision that maybe Ridley Scott had back in 1979 as far as where to go NEXT.

It appears that RS feels the Franchise needs something NEW and thought provoking rather than the Run and Hide (Alien/Alien 3) and Run and Shoot (Aliens/Alien Resurrection) Formula.   He also seemed to think the SPACE JOCKEY was the Bigger thing to explore... which is correct when you consider the Xenomorph is JUST a Bio-Weapon that this Race intended to USE.

This has to be the route to cover... but i feel Alien Covenant has somewhat reduced the potential of that... and seems to be more about the Xenomorph in context to David and AI. which fits with the Themes of Prometheus.... but is more a distraction from what many would feel a ALIEN  Movie should be about.

The Engineers were a Good Starting Point..but they lacked that ALIENY aspect to them, Prometheus was Borderline the Ancient Gods and a HR Giger/HP Lovecraftian Tale...

More of the Latter needed to be introduced in a sequel... but instead our Engineers just became much more HUMAN and Weak!

The way to maybe Proceed could be one of Dr Shaws Questions!

*WHO CREATED THEM? (Engineers).

And a comment Ridley Scott made in the months before Alien Covenant, when he announced Alien Paradise Lost.

https://www.slashfilm.com/prometheus-2-title/

“You’ve got to go back and find those engineers and see what they are thinking. If engineers are the forerunners of us, and therefore were creators of life forms in places that were possible for biology to function, who created that? Where’s the big boy?”

*WHERE IS THE BIG BOY?

When combined with Dr Shaws... "Who Created Them?"

Is where the Franchise could get back on TRACK!

Regarding the Halloween Reboot, i have yet to see the NEW Alternative Sequel but from a few people i know who have seen it, they said it was quite good and better than the last attempt.  Halloween H20

But in context to such a thing within the Alien Franchise this would be like Blomkamps ALIEN 5 and by that lets say if such a Movie had been shot last year... it could have been a ALIEN 40 years latter... but how would Fans React to seeing ALIENS taken out of this Canon? or we could have a Blomkamp Route were we have a Alternative Sequel to ALIENS and thus discounts Alien 3 and Alien R

Such a Movie MAY work... but i FEAR once you go this route, then like Halloween we can see it repeated, so for example...  Blomkamp Alien 5 2019 a Reboot of Alien 3 and if it does not do as well as Alien and Aliens... then in 2030 what if we then get another Reboot of Alien 3 like the 2018 Halloween has offered us a 2nd attempt at a Reboot of Halloween 2 and so in effect we have Three Halloween sequels.

The last Halloween is supposed to be better, which could mean another Halloween 3, then 4 etc... its a case of can they keep these interesting before Mike Myers becomes COOKED again?

With the ALIEN Franchise and especially how Prometheus opened up the Franchise there are ways to carry on, that would not have to rely on usual Tropes and Queens etc.

I think at present the Franchise is a Forgotten Memory as far as the Prequels, due to the route Alien Covenant has been...   And with DISNEY as the owners... maybe they would NEVER carry on with the Prequels...

And i would not be surprised if for 2029 they would just have a REBOOT of ALIEN to introduce the Franchise to a New Audience... or make a COMPLETELY NEW set of Prequel Movies that IGNORE Prometheus.

I am not sure we will be getting a ALIEN movie soon... i think there is more chance if we are.. that it would be something like in 2026 with a ALIENS sequel lol

There are quite a bit of newly-revealed concepts in Amanda's story, below.

 "Those grey figures are actually next-generation combat synthetics (androids) that incorporate technology derived from the Xenomorphs. Their features include: hardened skin, acid-tipped munitions, the ability to survive vacuum, fire, and other extremes. The company essentially uses them as security in their facilities, herders of their kidnapped victims, as well as handlers for the Xenomorphs."

Is Amanda Ripley the future? I think so. (source)

I've got the first 2 I Raptus....will comment when I've read them.

Yes on the Vincent Ward script...concept art below (source).

Please note that the monks were chased through wheat in the concept.

Alien: Covenant seemed to pull many concepts from years past into the film. And I love the mutant sheep with a butt-face. Ward must have still been excited from watching The Thing.

We need a film that covers Elden's progress from this point, below.