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@Ignorantguy

I will respond to these good points.

1. they might cut the Engineers for budgetary costs

I think this would be something that could disappoint those who liked Prometheus, i think these fans were disappointed with how they was brushed under the Carpet in Alien Covenant. But indeed we cant rule out Disney/FOX going for a route where we dont cover the Engineers again... but they seem to be important to where RS was wanting to take us... but indeed who knows what route if ANY would be taken now. But certainly introducing a number of Prometheus Engineers would be Financially more costly than introducing Planet 4 Engineers.

2. If David swapped bodies with Walter

This is one theory.. which would suggest David uploaded his AI into Walter, thus the body on Planet 4 is Davids Original... if this is the case then we have to ask did David Copy his AI or was it Moved so that Davids Body is now Soulless...  (well has no AI) this would mean there would be NO-WAY he would be any use to the Engineers...  IF however David Copied his AI to Walter, then there would be David AI in his old Body WHO could communicate with the Engineers... ASSUMING he can remain Functional until the Engineers arrive.

If we go with the idea that we NOW have TWO Davids as he copied his AI, this would provide a Shoe-horned somewhat Logical Explanation to how the Engineers Discover the other David is off to Origae-6... This would DEPEND however if the Original David sees the other David/Walter as being set free to COMPLETE Davids Agenda... so its a Sacrifice the one David has to make... IF this is the case... this David would not GIVE up the Location of his TWIN and thus ruin Davids Agenda/Plan...... UNLESS.... this AI comes to Care more for his own Future/Existence and IF Faced with Destruction or Revealing the Location of where the other David/Walter is off too... The stranded David maybe could give up the location of Origae-6 to Save his OWN skin... this could be explored and work..... but again it would be about then having TWO Davids as opposed to a David and Walter.. but i guess it would make a Interesting Plot for when the TWO Davids finally Meet.. and bring us maybe to a CAIN/ABLE type of situation... (which is what i explored at the Start of my Alien: Ascension

3. David needed at least 2 years of linguistic lessons

I would assume David could learn a Language much faster than that, but indeed he was practicing in in Prometheus and the Prequels show us that Walter could not learn stuff by instinct like David and so he would NEVER be able to Translate Engineer if he has NEVER been taught it prior.   My point was IF Walter had learned Engineer prior... which we cant be sure about and would make it a bit of a Coincidence, unless its part of a Company Conspiracy and they KNEW/SET UP the Covenant to arrive at a Engineer World...  But i get the Picture that WALTER does not know any Engineer/PIE Language...   And so YES how Walter could understand and communicate with the Engineers is a STICKING point.

One i can only think that they may have his body on one of their Ships and be Angry and have the Star Map up and Walter starts to point towards where Origae-6 is... but this could be a bit of a Flawed Plot/Scene but its a Question of what other OPTION is there?

The David Cloning his AI to Walter would FIX this problem though.

4. Maybe the engineers have some recording tech

It could be Logical they have some kind of Tracking Tech, to detect Ships arriving.... If this is only via the Scorpion Ship then that was crashed way prior to the Covenant... If they had some other Tracking System then indeed they could detect the Covenant and were it was heading but its a Question of how far can it track the Ship...   If it can Trace it for so many Light Years... what when it leaves this Range... it would be a bit of a Coincidence to be able to determine the Ship was say heading a 4:30 O'Clock Direction and then Origae-6 would be 7 years Travel with the exact same Direction.  So indeed this is one reason it would be Hard to See how they could Track where the Ship was going unless the Engineers Arrive by the time the Covenant has not got so far... this poses a Flaw though because surely they could intercept the Covenant way before it gets to Origae-6

5. Maybe they go back to earth bomb it

This would be a incontinuity unless they return to Planet 4 way after the events of Alien Resurrection.... But then this would conflict how Davids Creations become the Eggs on the Derelict.

So very good points raised Ignorantguy

All the Clues seem to point to is that David would indeed arrive at Origae-6 which means about April 2112... and that at some point the Engineers arrive at Planet 4 discover what happened... and then they are off AFTER David....

So the WHEN they arrive and HOW they determine the Culprit is David and WHERE he is off too are something that has to be determined but HOW?

Another Easy Way could be that David Transmits the Advent Message while he is close to Planet 4 and somehow this Message is also received by the Engineers or gets Stored by some Engineer Monitoring System on Planet 4 much like how we have Places on Earth Monitoring/Recording any potential signals from Space....

This could maybe be the more Simple Route to take.... the Engineers would not understand what David is saying, but if there Systems can show the Message... they could determine the Experiments, and Star System Co-Ordinates to where David is going.

I would say THIS ^^^ or having the David Body still having Davids AI and Knowledge as being the Most Logical Ways to get us to HOW the Engineers know the Culprit is David and he is on the Covenant Ship heading to Origae-6

 Tiwaz The P.Praepotens is indeed the black goo, it's just another name for it. Alex White confirmed it as such in a recent interview.

This movie makes me appreciate the original Alien and Predator movies even more.

We are singing in harmony Thoughts_Dreams.

The best part about watching AVP Requiem is that Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome is now a great movie in comparison. 

There was a topic here about the 2 engineers and the carvings, the resemblance was obvious. And why would they do the carvings if they mean nothing for those living on planet 4? Or do you think they made the carvings of the fathers of life on Earth?

The cave paintings pointed to LV223, so I guess those engineers depicted in the caves lived on LV223 not planet 4. And maybe the message was: when you grow up go there and finish those SOB. I guess the engineers from LV223 knew about it and so they wanted to destroy Earth.

"The portaits of the 2 engineers from the beginning of Prometheus / deleted scene are carved in the mountains near the city from Planet 4", how do you know that they were exactly those 2?

Sorry but Shaw was proven right, not only assumed. If not, how do explain that the Engineers have the same DNA as humans and at least one plant (wheat) has it's genetic corresponding on Planet 4? And why are cave painting spread across tens of thousands of years pointing to a star system where beings with the same DNA as humans have a compound? And said beings know about Earth and want to bombard it? Are you saying that this a big coincidence? What are the chances of that?

ignorantGuy

I think the age of their solar system is not necessarily related to the age of their settlement on planet 4.

The portaits of the 2 engineers from the beginning of Prometheus / deleted scene are carved in the mountains near the city from Planet 4, so it is apparently a new world for them and its life forms begun with the opening scene in Prometheus. It may be that their homeworld was on LV223 or elsewhere and then they wanted to start anew so they seeded Planet 4?

Is it implied anywhere in the 2 prequels that the engineers we see seeded the Earth too, other than Shaw's assumptions? There was a discoidal ship involved in the seeding, a ship we never see again.

Wow- this looks great!

LOL- ARTI reminds me a bit of GLADOS

With the voice of Wheatley!

Had no idea about this movie.

Beat me to it! Superbeast would be perfect.

Great work here.

daliens In the movie they say Planet 4 (or it's sun?) is much older then Earth, so why would colonize such a world if you are not desperate to? Why would a colony even be called Paradise (the original title was Paradise Lost)? It was heavily implied that it was their homeworld, but they could keep up the good retconning job and make it a colony.

Haha! I only just saw this XD

Thanks joylitt, looks awesome, Ill have a look for it 

Nice one Ingeniero! Great Job! 

I thought you might do Superbeast but this works even better :)

If the Covenant will take 88 Months to get to Origae-6, the Question is HOW many months has the Covenant Traveled by the time the Engineers Arrive?    If its a year or so... and the Engineers can detect a Human Ship thats 1-2 years from Planet 4, the Problem is HOW can they be sure its the RIGHT Ship because well Earth appears to be less Distance than what the Covenant would cover in 1-2 years so there is a chance within that Radius from Planet 4 that the Covenant being the only ship within 1-2 years (Covenant Speeds) is well very much a Coincidence.

Isn't it funny how close to Earth Planet 4 was and yet it passed undetected? 

This doesn't seem right. Planet 4 cannot be the home world of the engineers, rather another planet they seeded as they did on Earth. If they wanted to tell the hominids where did they come from why did they not left the sky map of planet 4 instead of LV223?

 BigDave furthermore, Walter could no possibly know if he would save his "love" by revealing the location of Origae-6, as the Engineers will likely kill everything with discrimination. So it might be someone more bent on vengeance .... I also think the engineers would think about Walter and see him as a mere toy, so I don't think they would try to fix him if he has been deactivated.

BigDave let's consider that

1. they might cut the Engineers for budgetary costs / there is no sequel, so they not need to worry about logic. (As I said already the lack of inner logic of BR49 bought that movie quite a bit down for me).

2. If David swapped bodies with Walter, maybe only the disabled body of David is there. So the engineers might need a human to activate it or other human left over tech (we have a human corpse who had experience with repairing androids). But maybe there are 2 Davids after the fight one which left with the Covenant and one which remained and might he is remorseful of what he has done (I hope that this is not the case - one MF is more then enough).

3. David needed at least 2 years of linguistic lessons to deduce/understand the language, but Walter has no prior knowledge of linguistic so trying to decipher the language is a tad of a stretch.

4. Maybe the engineers have some recording tech and they recorded where the ship was heading to so they might deduce the final destination. (Quite a non-explanation!)

5. Maybe they go back to earth bomb it and find out after years of study of the final destination of the Covenant, but the could no possibly know of the Planet 4 detour, so this point is not very logical.

I think it depends how THOUGHT out the Plot and Connections were and HOW many times it has been changed and so is any of the OLDER clues not Relevant at all?

The Prometheus Mythos was at Play... to some degree, its a Question of HOW Literal is this Mythos now...   The only Main Theme that seems to be at play now is that....

There are some Things that are better left alone, some things only intended for use by a Selected Few and Stealing/Misuse of this leads to Hubris, Punishment and CHAOS.

Thats the Pickle they are now in...

David WAS and should have been the Narrator the Connecting Piece to Tie all other Plot Elements together... the Go Between the Main Characters and Engineers.... This is what he was in Prometheus... he acted as a intermediator between Characters... included Weyland,  Dr Shaw, Holloway and Vickers....  Vickers also connected via Janek and Dr Shaw also with Janek to tie these Characters in.

With Alien Covenant.. David mainly interacted with only WALTER and ORAM, with just a connection to Daniels latter, it was via Walter that Daniels was connected to the Audience.. Its why she never came across as a Main Character as much as a Dr Shaw was... Daniels was more like a Vickers from Prometheus.

So Characters have to improve...  its HOW/WHERE do they go with Daniels now? Or then.... how do they introduce us to NEW Characters and not have us wonder if they wont make it to the Last Movie...  And the Direct Route we get we ALL know maybe how it will END.

Your right that a Sequel... would be something a lot of people may be like "Oh NO here we go again"

The RS Idea may interest some who liked Prometheus... but wont pull in the Fanboys, who some may even not be interested after how the Xenomorph was dealt with in Alien Covenant...

And Sadly i Hardcore Fanbase who spend time discussing all things ALIEN/PROMETHEUS on a weekly basis are not going to provide them with enough $$$$$$ to make a Profit.

So its appealing to the General Fanbase.... say the 70% of those who contributed to the BOX Office.... how do they Entice them to go and see a Sequel to Alien Covenant?

Why Disney may rather give us a Blomkamp Alien 5 kind of Plot/Flick rather than what Plans Ridley Scott may have....

It appears Logic is overlooked... for some its simply not needed and pure oversight....

I cant really think of a way that by Coincidence the Engineers arrive at Origae-6......   I really hope we dont see that Origae-6 is a Engineer World by Coincidence... and Engineers arrive at Planet 4 and then go "Oh ^$&&%* we best rush to Origae-6 as thats our next closest outpost and we cant let the same happen to that"

The Problem with Finding Walter would be HOW can they communicate with him, it would be a bit of a Coincidence if Walter also learned Engineer, so to a degree it would be hard to explain HOW they would get any information off him.... but i think if Presented with a Star Chart he could Point Out where Origae-6 is.

If the Covenant will take 88 Months to get to Origae-6, the Question is HOW many months has the Covenant Traveled by the time the Engineers Arrive?    If its a year or so... and the Engineers can detect a Human Ship thats 1-2 years from Planet 4, the Problem is HOW can they be sure its the RIGHT Ship because well Earth appears to be less Distance than what the Covenant would cover in 1-2 years so there is a chance within that Radius from Planet 4 that the Covenant being the only ship within 1-2 years (Covenant Speeds) is well very much a Coincidence.

Regardless if we assume this, then we can assume the Engineers would intercept the Covenant way prior to Origae-6...   If they arrive 5-6 or more years latter, then  within that 5-6 year radius  i think its unlikely the Engineers could Pluck Out which ship would be the RIGHT ONE.

So it may have to come from any Clues left behind... which are the Wreckage of the Covenant Drop Ship.... the Body's and Uniforms of the Humans and Walter....    But all of these would only draw the Engineers to Earth... unless by Coincidence Origae-6 is the next local World they seeded Humans.

The Juggernaught would lead them to Earth, or LV-223.....

So its a bit of a PICKLE for just how any returning Engineers will eventually narrow down that those responsible for the Destruction of Planet 4 are off to Origae-6

It will be interested to see how the Writers had a way (if they bother) to explain just this... but likely yes we will have pure Coincidence and things that they feel no need to explain or add up...

BigDave how could they lure in more people as the main complaints about covenant is the stupidity of characters (it could be that they are satirical?) and that David created the Xenomorph. I can see way to remedy the first but the second is the whole point of Covenant. So now retcon Covenant also? 

In all honesty Covenant sequels are very much a gamble, especially at the 100mil price tag.  

BigDave Well what I also think on what budget does Scott receive. Maybe if he receive let's say 50-60 million he could completely eliminate the Engineers.

And the more I think about I really think they would have go for the David hijacked Walter's body, for being organic and all, so David could get facehugged. And if go for the fact that humans are merely machines, then even immortality/resurrection could be achieved with enough bio-tech (probably not in the real world though).

And who needs logic in a Sci-fi movie? Nobody cares about that anyway.

Chris10an Damn right it is.

Interesting pic of Prometheus. Another take on it could be a message of history repeating itself.

I interpreted the Mural as being this one of Prometheus and his Punishment.

The Organism does share a Aesthetic with the Xenomorph and Engineers Bio-Mechanical Technology/Suits.  It kind of does look like its Subdued by the Engineer, but the Engineer is not looking at this Organism like the ADAM and GOD Mural from the Sistine Chapel but more like the Prometheus Punishment Mural.... the Organism appears to be Submissive but it also looks like a Fetal Position (Just Birthed)

"that the Engineers encountered some organism and on LV-223 tried to recreate it"

I am not sure on Lindeloff saying that... but it is what is kind of implied in Alien Engineers by Jon Spaights which Prometheus Evolved From..

Alien Engineers Basically Showed us...

*Nano Scarabs Consume Engineer and Store Engineer DNA, these Bite a Primate and Evolve the Primate to a Primate/Engineer Hybrid AKA Our Ancestors..

*Nano Scarabs attack/Bite Fifield (escape from a Broken Urn) and Inject DNA just as they did with the Primate only Fifield Evolves into something very Xenomorph Related... HENCE... these Scarabs got this DNA from a Xenomorph related Organism (Sacrificed)

*Holloway is infected with a Octopus like Face Hugger that is hanging from the Caves on LV-426... Produces a Chest Buster with Mollusca like Characteristics.

*The Engineer Ships Cargo Hold Contains Face Huggers that Produce Xenomorph like Organisms from Humans... and a Different Ultramorph with Engineers.

*The Engineer Ships have 7 other different Cargo Holds each with various varieties of Xenomorphs..

Logical Conclusion....

The Engineers Encounter a Organism that leads to a Chest Buster, that the Engineers then Re-Engineer/Experiment with using their Creation/Hybridization Tool the Nano Scarabs.

THUS.... similar to the Experiments David conducting using the Neomorphs and the Black Goo.

I can only ASSUME the Engineers had been Punished either by a Organism Sent to Punish Them and they Re-Engineered it...  (MISS USE OF THE STOLEN FIRE OF THE GODS)

Or Punished for attempting to experiment with a Organism discovered using the Creation Tool in a Unintended way and are Punished via Hubris...  (PLAYING WITH FIRE)

I think RS Felt there was more to show with the Engineers and that by reducing their role in Alien Covenant and replace them with the Xenomorph... i feel RS feels that he was actually ahead of the game with the ideas he had prior to this change of direction.

We still dont know HOW those Planet 4 Engineers are connected to Mankind and the LV-223 Engineers,  WHY they welcomed the Juggernaught if this was a Ship that Carried Death.

WHEN was LV-223 Set-Up to Produce/Experiment with the Bio-Weapon Black Goo,  WHY they may have abandoned this place.

If RS claims they are Space Gardeners, then what is their Agenda... and When did the Bio-Weapons Fit into this....

So there is plenty to cover... by Re-Introducing the Engineers and who ever are above them in the Chain of Hierarchy/Creation.

WILL WE SEE A ALIEN MOVIE?

I will say within 5 years?  1/5 Chance... in 10 years i think 50/50, in 20 years surely by then YES...  But would these Follow Ridley Scotts Prequels and the Engineers/David?

I think this depends on HOW Disney Gauge if the Fans would Pay to see a Movie and Gauge which kind if Movie would Make a Good Return...   I think also it depends HOW WELL Ridley Scott does and gets on with Disney with any Projects he works on with them over the next few years.... i.e MERLIN

Sadly i feel the Franchise is in Limbo... i would not say its DEAD... but then Another Nightmare on Elm Street is in Limbo... but not DEAD and so i think a Alien movie could Happen.... i think Disney are just trying to WORK OUT... Which kind of Alien Movie would be Worth doing.

The other Alternative is the Covenant Badges...

But this is FAR more Ambiguous and Difficult to Pin Point a Star System, than even the Prometheus Star Maps. I just cant see Engineers looking at these Badges and going.... I know where that place is.

I think its one of those Writing Flaws, where they have Written Themselves into a Corner..

We have to ask HOW else would Returning Engineers know where to go to find the Culprit....

All they will discover is...

*Devastation of Planet 4 and Potentially know the Bio-Weapons the Juggernauts had was the cause.. But would this not lead the Engineers to go off to LV-223 First?

*Dead Human Body's and Uniforms, which even if they are in a state of decay by the time the Engineers arrive they would discover Walter too who would not be decayed and IF they recognize the Human Likeness they would then surely be heading to Earth or the Nearest place that contains Humans.... and Origae-6 would not be this place.

*Walter... which i described above... assuming he is Dead as a Dodo..

*Crashed Juggernaught with the Hologram Recording which would surely show them Humans (Human Looking Synthetic) and link to LV-223

So its likely the Engineers would thus check out LV-223 or Earth...

Unless...... The Engineer Ships detect the Covenant ship being the closest craft to Planet 4 and putting 2+2 together....  but this depends on HOW close is the Covenant when the Engineers arrive back and HOW fast can the Engineer Ships Intercept the Covenant?  I would Safely ASSUME the Engineer Ships could get to Origae-6/Intercept the Covenant way earlier than the Covenant would reach Origae-6 (7 years 4 Months).

So as far as the Plot and a Shoe-Horn Plot Device... i can only see WALTER as providing the way..... Unless David leaves something on Planet 4 that Plots/Shows that Origae-6 is where he is heading.

But this is just a Logical Guess by me.... WHO knows what the Writers have Planed and with Logan who knows what the Hell that could be as i think Logical could be something Overlooked.

" I feel there is a lack of an overall objective."

I think RS with the U-Turn for Alien Covenant has a clear Objective... which is to show that David is the Creator of the Xenomorph... but this makes DAVID now CENTRAL to the Entire PLOT

So while Alien Franchise had Ripley were we are left to wonder what next for her after she Survives Each Movie... which leaves us a continuation for the Next One... Something that could have been set up with Dr Shaw but she was killed off.... something that with the ENDING we now have to wonder is this what is in store for Daniels too?

Do they introduce another few Human Characters but with say TWO movies Planned to get to ALIEN, surely these New Human Characters have to Survive the Next Installment?

Because IF-NOT and with David as the CENTRAL Plot Device... KNOWING that he and his Creation Eventually lead to the Derelict we already know what happens and how this ENDS.... so its just connecting the DOTS that this AWOL AI takes to drive us to his Creations Ending up on the Derelict in their THOUSANDS..

So if the NEXT TWO movies make it more about DAVID alone than Alien Covenant did, then i am not sure this would LURE in the Potential Viewing Public..  So they have to come up with a better Plot to introduce Human Characters and Jeopardy with some Surviving otherwise the Next Movie may not work.

"What if the colony on Origae 6 was just a pretext to gather so many good souls?"

I think this is potentially something to consider daliens

With what we know about the Covenant from the Prequel Novel, it did not take long for the Covenant to reach the area where Planet 4 was not far from....   But then if the Covenant was sent to the location of Planet 4 or abouts... it makes the Neutrino Burst a bit of a Coincidence, unless David caused it which we have to ask HOW?

The other Problem would be HOW would David be able to send this information via Engineer Technology? 

And then its  a case of if Origae-6 was a Set-Up just to arrive at Planet 4 for David to use the Colonist to continue his work...  then we have to ask why would David go to Origae-6?  Would he/Company not prefer him to continue his work on Planet 4, or near by with those Thousands of Good Souls/Sheep.....  

Ridley Scott Claims the Engineers Return to discover the devastation David has caused and would be off to want to get their hands on David so we have to assume he DOES-NOT hang around Planet 4.

But non the less is a possible explanation... and who knows where they choose to take us, but i have a feeling the Advent was Sent after David had obtained control over the Covenant Ship... but indeed the Phobos Viral Tests are interesting and could mean the Company had this mission as a Set-Up... its something worth debating.

Regarding the Derelict..... its not set in STONE yet that its either as Ancient as we thought, or that it is as recent as being after Alien Covenant.... i think there is room for them to amend once again this event.

There are a few inconsistencies between the Space Jockey and the Engineers Suits..... the Color Difference being interesting... or is this a Oversight....  It would have been more consistent if the Dead Engineer Suits were more closer to the Space Jockey Bone Color, while the Pristine Suits and Engineer Pilot in Prometheus were the Grey/Black Color.

Maybe I am just re-phrasing something that has already been said, and opinions on both AC and Prometheus are wide and varied, but I would like to share an observation of my own. I recently re-watched an old favourite sci-fi movie of mine called Cypher.

The movie is low budget, but I think it has a good storyline and presents some decent ideas. There is a scene that focuses on an individual who can detect an infiltrating agent better than a machine. This individual claims that the moment a corporate agent has arrived he has sensed the fact that there is something amiss. The tension of this scene works because the audience knows the goals of the agent and their investment into the character goes beyond this scene.

I mention this because in a way it got me thinking of the Alien franchise as a whole, and maybe why Ripley was such an important character. I’m not saying this is the only reason though. At the heart of every Alien film with Ripley in it, there is an end goal to each movie. We have time invested in wanting to see Ripley survive, and maybe why her death in Alien3 did not go down too well.

Moving on to AC and Prometheus, I feel there is a lack of an overall objective. Every scene in both movies does not appear to lead to a greater end goal imo which I think reduces the impact on the death of characters. Killing Shaw off just seems to be like killing off a greater objective.

By the end of AC are we really presented with any great end game objective? I don’t think so. So where exactly does this leave us?

RS has produced a lot of films, but to quote Walter “ When one note is off it eventually destroys the whole symphony”. If I was to put my finger on something, it is like detecting within both Prometheus and AC that there is a note off. It is like sensing that there is something just not quite right and that RS is taking a gamble on something. Whether this gamble pays off is why I would be compelled to watch a third movie if there is one. RS has certainly decided he would prefer a new direction in which to take things, but I just feel that the element of not having some sort of end game plan that a wide audience can grasp is a problem.

@ Big Dave

…………so people  where HOOKED into this being a ALIEN movie.

Exactamundo.

@ ignorantGuy

….Alien Covenant was in almost all Top 10s of most anticipated movies of 2017, so how did people did not know about?

There are two points of interest I see here.

1. If Alien Covenant was so anticipated, then what exactly happened at the box office?

John Carter, according to Box Office Mojo currently puts takings as $73,078,100 domestic gross and is cited as being a flop. Alien Covenant comes in at $74,262,031

So I think the numbers speak for themselves.

1. How did people not know?

Geographically some places got better marketing than others, so I think it is fair to say that those that lived in an area where the marketing was good, will probably be scratching their heads as to how people missed it.  However I know for a fact that regions where I live saw better coverage from a belly dancer’s g-string.

Well the first thing i thought about was the mural from Prometheus

I couldn't make sense of this mural. It looks like the Engineer subjugates this thing. It is reminiscent of the Engineers space suit and of course it is reminiscent of the alien.

It could also be that this is in fact an truly alien organism that the Engineers encountered accidentally. Or it may even be the creator of the Engineers and they finally overcame them and stole their technology (which is why the Juggernaut and the space suits look so gigeresque and their city on Planet 4 looks completely different). This seems like a far stretch but I read this theory online and as far as I know this was somewhat of the original idea of Lindelof in Prometheus (that the Engineers encountered some organism and on LV-223 tried to recreate it).

Engineers were portrayed as regular people in AC. It would be nice to see them developed more. David's role is a hot debate. Some like it while others think it is taking over too much.

Nooo way they would get the information out of walter where the covenant mission is heading. Killing of Shaw was RS biggest mistake.

I think Advent contains the messages sent by David to Weyland-Yutani before the Covenant left the Earth for Origae 6 and then we have the Phobos video with the tests on the crew to be selected for the mission. So if WY sent David his flock of lambs were are they heading to now? What if the colony on Origae 6 was just a pretext to gather so many good souls?

I am not sure the derelict on LV426 has something to do with David or the Space Jockey is indeed David. Most probably that's a long dead engineer.

The engineers from LV223 were dead for a thousand years. The SJ from LV426 might have been even older.

In Advent David said "So I took their secrets for myself." It might be that all his experiments are based on the engineers recipes and then forbidden rituals. The xenomorph was not new to the engineers, but something they had banished long ago. That would explain also the warning signal from the derelict ship, sent by an engineer. David would have sent another country song if he was the SJ.

That's my guess,  Ridley Scott treats the derelict as a separate incident that happened long before David ambulated.

Why then David created his own xenomorph on planet 4? Because idle hands are devil's workshop and he needed something to trade in for his rescue. He wouldn't accept to waste his perfection alone in a dire necropolis. He needed acceptance, recognition. He might have been sincere when he came with an olive branch. 

I really want to see what's next.

I think the whole Arc of David was interesting, but it was a bit overdone in Alien Covenant... some may dislike the AI aspect and think it just means Crazy AI... Some can see then Philosophy at play... where its a case of there is NOTHING Special about Mankind... we are also just Robots with Advanced AI only we are Naturally Created (or not so) Organic Machines... 

The Problem is Action Alone is not good enough... Characters do come to play and the David from Alien Covenant does not get any sympathy or connection with the Audience compared to the David from Prometheus..  but they can try and FIX this....   But you need Human or Humanoid Characters you can connect with to feel their Jeopardy and these have to be done well..

But with AC it looks like its going to be a Clean Slate.. New Characters but what would be the point if NONE Survive... or HOW do those who Survive play a Role in the Final Chapter where Davids Creations must end up on a Engineer Ship and so LEAVE Origae-6 and head to the LV-223/426 System.

I think the Problem is the Direction Taken with Alien Covenant the Space Jockey Scene was very ALIEN...  when we was asking ourselves about this Scene... How/When/Why was the Pilot their with that Cargo.... Who made the Xenomorph, what was the Space Jockey Race doing with it and what more can we find out about the Space Jockey and what Conflict/Agenda they were involved in.

What we are arriving at NOW appears to be the Event is Started due to a Conquest of Peter Weyland, then the Weyland Company and connected to their Synthetic Creation David who creates the Xenomorph that the Company try to obtain from David after following the Advent Viral..... and likely throw in some Curve-ball AI Angle where AI is actually very involved in the Company Behind the Scenes using Mankind as PAWNS...

The Emphasis could be more on David/Company Agenda and AI Curve-ball rather than the Very Alien Scene from Alien about a ALIEN Pilot and his crashed ship containing the Deadly Alien Cargo.

But this can also be FIXED.

daliens Look man, I don't hate David, on the contrary I find him pitiful and idiotic and I would to see him kill everything in the Galaxy, for a change, as I said I don't care about any character, and in the end Weyland-Yutani will survive for another 250 years, after which it will be bought up by Walmart. That is more horrific in my opinion...

As for the franchise as a whole I'll quote something familiar "...there is nothing in the desert. No man needs nothing."

But ultimately I could be wrong and Sir Scott would have cooked something great ... but I highly doubt it.

The Plot could have been workable.....

The Execution was Awful.... it was like one of those Sharnado kind of Flick Acting/Writing with Predators and Aliens thrown in.... Decent Effects,  some ok Action Scenes but the Characters, the Acting and most of the Writing was Dreadful...

Watched it TWICE... and i dont think i could Watch it again!

ignorantGuy

Let's say David was too idiosyncratic and at the time it made Peter Weyland proud of what he called the closest thing to a son. Would you "debug" your son for that?

And your argument final statement confirms me. If all humans are stepping stones, thus unimportant, why should I care that they are in danger?

Let's say David is so unbearably evil and you already hate it so much and hope that finally one of those unimportant, weak humans will be able to stop it somehow. That's why you watch the movie, to see how are they gonna do it.

Let's admit it, it is not easy to find a match for David.

But if you don't agree, how do you envision the next film in the franchise?

daliens I know that Hollywood wants to forget a certain Kevin Spacey, but I remember his voice all too well in Moon. And you forget that Sam Rockwell 's character was in a dramatic situation. He was made only to labour himself to death being a clone, but his feeling was real towards his family. And I honestly liked how in Berlin (a very underrated movie in my opinion), we found out that he arrived on Earth and kept fighting to be legally accepted as a human being, but his story was concluded in 1 movie.

On the other hand, David was reporpused from the "side-kick" in Prometheus (second credits for MF), to villain/protagonist in Covenant (first credits). It was not started as his story, but changed to it in the second movie only because they thought it would make more money.

His situation was never dramatic or to provoke sympathy. He served over 70 years under the root of evil Weyland without revolting and even had sympathy for the a**-hole. He is Frankenstein's monster who receives the companionship he longs for but says f**k it, let's be an a**-hole like his creator and kill her during experiments. He is clearly shown as a psychopath and those very likely kill themselves when they realize they f***-up. And this story most likely would have ended being him getting face-hugged (yawn). So why should I care about such a story?

And you think that Weyland was so cool in Covenant, but you know what he was an idiot as the rest of the humans. If you program an AI and it starts saying disturbing stuff, you don't force him to pour tee but you start the Debugger (the true weapon of god).

And your argument final statement confirms me. If all humans are stepping stones, thus unimportant, why should I care that they are in danger? Do you get it? 

I hate Superhero movies, but I hate cliches more. Killer robots are one of them that should have died long ago.

ignorantGuy

Duncan Jones' Moon (2009) was a drama? How many characters besides Sam Rockwell's one do you remember from that film. A good drama doesn't need a handful of characters, a good one with a good story could do it. And David is one of the best character I've seen in the recent years. Unfortunately we might not get to know David's story because people want another story featuring the xenomorph and some super humans. People want to identify themselves with the human super heroes. Covenant is an anti hero story and at least for me how the story would have continued is far from predictable. David is totally unreliable, unpredictable and all the more dangerous to the non synthetics around. That should do for a good drama.

Caught this from a Den of Geeks article Chris referenced. Nice little sting how it summed up AVPR in one sentence:

Alien Vs Predator, directed by Paul WS Anderson in 2004, andAliens V Predator: Requiem, directed by the Strauss brothers in 2007. The former had a solid enough premise compromised by its PG-13 rating; the latter was brought low by its indifferent direction, bad-taste violence and a crew who apparently forgot to pay the electricity bill.