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It would have been surprising at the very least..... No?

not to mention once the 4 day life span was figured out ,the scariness factor lessens considerably.

I'm so glad they didn't have it talk in her voice. That would have ruined the entire movie for me.

Good info. This seems to reinforce the concept of Xeno as having insect-like life cycle. James Cameron took that idea even further: warrior & worker types in a single hive. Some insects only have hours to find mate before they die. Interesting.

Of course it's tough to judge the way we would react back then, nowadays. We're so over-exposed to the rip-offs and played-out versions of what was once original creative thought. I teach video/film production and I'm always reminded through my teenage students of exactly how much they haven't been exposed to. In a way it's like this forum... someone new signs on and asks about something the rest of us have beaten to death. It's hard for us to see it through their eyes and their perspective as a newbie. Yet, to them, it may seem brilliant.

Yea wouldn't that have been a bitch to find out after everybody had been kacked by the Alien that all they woulda had to do was lock themselves in the kitchen for a couple days?

[quote]Yea wouldn't that have been a bitch to find out after everybody had been kacked by the Alien that all they woulda had to do was lock themselves in the kitchen for a couple days?[/quote] LMAO

@Engr101 yeah i was actually wondering about that, do we ever see a worker alien??? because everyone calls them the warrior aliens but i thought that other then the queen they were the only type. so do we see worker aliens? are they the ones that crawl out of the walls and then the warriors are the ones that attack them later? is there a difference? i am so confused :(

or are the ones with the domes the workers and we just don't see them in aliens? because i was always under the impression that the alien dome falls off or shrinks down to the skull as the aliens get older, after all the only aliens in the original series that don't have the domes are the ones from aliens and they were alive for a few months and the rest were only alive for a few days or less. anyone have an answer?????? and also, the 4 day thing was dropped obviously in aliens, they were alive for a long time.

another interesting post, thanks Spartacus Not convinced though that it hid in the Narcissus by fluke. I always saw the xeno as very intelligent - i thought it hide on the escape shuttle because it knew the self destruct had been activated. It's knowledge of the ship and the crew's movements has been supposed by some as it could "read minds" - see our brain waves? - as part of it's sensory perceptions. Another theory is that in "combining" with a human host while in it's facehugger phase it could capture the memories/knowledge of it's host - so it had Kane's knowledge. Ridley Scott certainly planned that it could operate the communication equipment, and knew to mislead Earth by disguising it's voice. And yes, RS's original ending was for the Xeno to "rape" Ripley before killing her (as like Lambert) - RS spoke that he wanted the xeno to be fascinated by the texture of her skin - hence the filmed undressing scene which showed off her legs, breasts, butt, and (pan down for it) crotch. Interesting re the 4 day lifespan - certainly it grew prodigiously fast from chestburster to adult in a day - I always thought that was just so it eliminated it's childhood vulnerability stage. But not sure that it would then die so quickly.... seems a waste from a species point of view. I am one of those who would keep Alien and be happy to ignore the following 3 movies, so look forward to RS giving his version of the xeno in it's origins.

Easy. David fincher wanted ripley being infected And so he caused a plot hole as the queen is not supposed to lay eggs without Her egg trailer ;) Also, how come that the second facehugger Made it to the escape pod but did not try to facehug newt or hicks before they died through the crashlanding? Imo the weakest part of alien 3.

I agree it's the weakest part of Alien 3, a movie in which I really enjoyed even if it does leave me in a bit of a downer at the end!

I was 14 when i watched the movie With great expectations. Though i Think the movie was good overall, The beginning disturbed me, why were there eggs and it even was almost up side down hanging Probably at the dropship. then why did the facehuggers Came out and find the people invthe hypersleep chambers despite They were far away and also not moving? How come that ripley survived that crash Despite she was thrown out of The escape pod? That was really not convincing and imo the first real canon breaking.

For me...Alien 3...[i]The Re mastered tribute to Lynch's efforts version[/i]...is nothing less than a 100% MASTERPIECE of film making !!! Of all 4 films, for me, it had by far the most substance and the most horrfying Xeno eating Human scenes, it also had the BEST camera work IMO of all 4 films, and it also used animatronics IMO better than any film in Motiion picture history!!!

Where are we getting two eggs? The queen layed one and it infected Ripley. There was a burn on Newt's cryotube but maybe it passed on her, in favor of Ripley's bigger child bearing body. Not sure where this notion came from...

@Skyguy1054 were getting two from the Dog/Bull depending on the version you like and Ripley getting infected....that makes two eggs, one for each host.

Wasn't there an egg onboard the sulaco and another onboard the EEV

Yes there were 2, one was on the Sulaco and the other stowed away on board the EEV. So annoying not to have an explaination WHERE they came from or HOW they got there. The queen couldn't have brought them up with her as it clearly shows her(minus the eggs) before Ripley and Newt board the drop ship and I'm fairly sure it said somewhere that the queen can't produce eggs without the sac! Very lazy on behalf of the writers not to explain this, even after all this time!

Not to mention the egg that was hanging upside down looked like it was inside the ship proper, not in the landing bay. It looks like the Marines locker room to me.

First off......there is no evidence to suggest two eggs. We only ever see one and it's seen in the opening title sequence. Given that, and if you follow the logic, the facehugger planted two embryos, one in Ripley and one in the dog or bull (depending on the cut you're watching)..We only ever see one facehugger as well, the one hanging from the ceiling as the dog barks at it during the EEV's transport by crane... .....granted, I'm as disturbed by anyone that one facehugger can plant two embryos, it's seems like a cheap plot fix, but I'm even more disturbed by the one egg's existence to begin with, because it doesn't track at all with the series of events at the end of 'Aliens'. And I'm not going to sit here and rag on Fincher either....he's the only one that saved that mess at all. Without Fincher coming in and pulling all the various bits together, there would be no movie and let's not forget that by the time he joined the production, the plot, overall was pretty much set and locked on a planet where Ripley's EEV crashes, monks or criminals, and the alien had to have come with her from the Sulaco....that bit's on the writers and producers who gave him that mess.....the man has no choice but to plant an egg randomly, because no one gave him anything better to work with.....

What amazes me is that the answer to all of this is so obvious and none of you have thought of it yet. I say the reasoning did not ever need to be put forth in the film because in LIFE it was always pretty darn easy to guess where EGGS CAME FROM. They don't just appear people, they have to be LAID first, either where they are and/or get transported later. Have any of you even thought about BURKE ??? Remember him? Company Man, gonna impregnate Newt and Ripley at all costs before they get back home...BURKE...remember him?

Maby the Queen just caried her last surviving eggs into the ship while nobodies looking???

Burke never made it back to the Sulaco...he never had the chance to put one there...........

Besides...how would anyone, let alone a sniveling company suit, know how to handle an egg?....

How would Burke get the eggs on there without getting facehugged himself??? I think we can just chalk it up the entire scenario to a plot hole.

Exactly @CharlieDontSurf....precisely.....indubitably old chum..........

Hey guys! Brand new member, first post. It's obviously not canon, but it's been sugested in the comics that, under extreme conditions, drones can lay eggs themselves, and usually those eggs will hold a queen. So if drones may lay eggs, who's to say the Queen can't lay eggs without the egg sack? The facehugger that holds on to Rippley and the one that catches the dog/bull on Alien 3 may very well have come from eggs layed in the ship by the Queen. Besides, the whole "where did they come from" issue is not so disturbing (Burke COULD have got the eggs on board on those containers we see in sick bay); why the second one didn't get a hold of Newt or Hicks is far more disturbing to me, because there is NO WAY to make sense of it... Unless they were dead already??? :P

Hey guys, I touched on this [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/1337]HERE[/url] If you scroll down to Aliens 2.5 Topic you'll see how I kind of explain the A3 Eggs under the grating. Regards, Rick

@inguafoeda acheronsis......Burke dies on LV-426.....WHILE THEY ARE STRANDED......he never comes in contact with the second drop Bishop remote pilots to the surface....therefore, it's illogical and impossible for him to have had anything to do with the egg on board the Sulaco...... ....second...it isn't about whether the qeeun could lay an egg without the egg sack...it has everything to do with the fact the one egg is seen in 'Alien 3' to be perched on a wall, not in the landing gear of the dropship where the queen hid and the climax of 'Aliens' affords her absolutely no opportunity to lay that egg anywhere......she shows herself, rips Bishop in half, descends from the landing gear, chases Ripley to the bay doors, turns her attention to Newt when she realizes it's pointless to fight the door for Ripley, chases Newt across the floor of the loading dock as she lifts grate after grate, turns and fights Ripley to the death when Ripley returns in the power loader............[b]THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO OPPORTUNITY IN ANY OF THAT FOR THE QUEEN ALIEN IN 'ALIENS' TO LAY THAT EGG ANYWHERE BUT THE LANDING GEAR OF THE DROPSHIP AND ....OH....GUESS WHAT....IT ISN'T IN THE LANDING GEAR[/b]...therefore, it's a plot hole with no explanation.....[b]PERIOD..END OF STORY[/b]

Oh Craigo, You n I like to argue this. I still think there was an R&D Ship near the Nostromo. This explains the Egg's in A3 and how they were able to land inside a few days at Fiorina when the scan was sent back to network. It fills a bunch of holes everywhere. Regards, Rick

Craigo.....I like that.....makes me sound like an Eggo....... I see you're point, but that's always been too convoluted and too involved to be reasonable for me....there's no evidence to suggest it and in 'Alien 3', we have no idea the extent of the company's network in deep space or Fiorina's proximity to any other planets, spacestations or military outposts (that would otherwise have no reason to visit Fiorina).....I see what you mean, but it just feels like a poor excuse for a band-aid on any plot holes we quibble over.... I really do like that Craigo bit.....

And there's no reason for them to send the Nostromo if they have an R&D vessel either, it would be pointless, especially considering the tug's inadequacies in dealing with that kind of find..........the R&D vessel's crew would just go in themselves rather than risk any interference from crew on the Nostromo that would, of course, be trying to save their own lives. Why would they risk that threat to their prized alien specimen? There's no point in it...unless they had no other choice because the Nostromo was the only ship in a position to investigate....

Craigo, I think its all part of the companies xeno study program. Why send the R&D Ship and waste resources when the government will do it for you for free. Read this: I once read a story about a kid that went to jail for killing somebody but was still close to his grandpa and his grandpa never believed he did it. His grandpa wrote him letters everyday and one spring day the old guy wrote a letter to his grandson about how it had been several years and how he missed his help with the gardening in the backyard and was going to start digging up the garden. The grandson sent him a letter the next day asking him to not to dig up the garden that was where he hid the body. The next day the FBI and the police came beating on the old guys door and served him with a search warrant to dig up the garden. The came in with the shovels and dug up that whole garden area. The following week the old man received a letter from his grandson apologizing for the intrusion by the police but that was the best he could do on such short notice. I know you get the moral of the story there is always a sideways approach to getting what you want done accomplished when you think outside the box. Regards, Rick

don't like it.......

Intervesting...berry intervesting...............

Seriously, I appreciate the finds...thanks @Ripley Clone 8

I really liked the dark tone of Alien 3, I even liked it more than ALIENS. My only complaint was the way the rod puppet scenes looked after they inserted the Alien. I think if they could go back and maybe CGI those scenes, then it wouldn't look so cartoonish. The rod puppet itself was cool, but you could tell in those scenes that it was superimposed.

Thanks for taking the time to put this stuff up. I think a lot more of A3 than many seem to (Charles S. Dutton for one thing is superb) especially considering the circumstances it was made under but remain gobsmacked that a major studio could end up in said circumstances.

I think David Fincher was incredible. You know a lot of people hate on Alien 3. I loved showing my family and friends the whole Alien series and still to this day I continue to show others. What bugs me is that after all four films everyone i've showed the films to always puts Alien 3 as their least favorite in the series. I never understood why. Aliens always gets all this praise. I love ALL four films with equal love and passion but I feel like people don't know how to critque and enjoy a movie as a movie. Alien 3 was just dark, bold, haunting, brooding and beautiful. It truly is an art. How is Alien 3 bad? Wow just because the CGI is terrible doesn't undertone the ENTIRE film as terrible. Things like that bug me about people's opinions on films. If your going to critique or opinionize a film you either liked or dislike at least scope it out by story, characters, plot, setting etc. Start from the bottom up. Just because a film didn't have "enough" action as you wanted it doesn't not make the movie freaking bad. Sounds more like a case of "I can't sit through a film for an hour and a half without texting and rambling like crazy." But besides the point I think ALIEN 3 was an INCREDIBLE movie. The acting was just angelic and GOD like in that film. It sent goosebumps up and down my spine. The score was beyond anything I would of thought of. It accented the greasy, dark, rusty cold of the prison and echoed the emotions of the characters. It was just a fantastic film. Alien 3 gets a 10/10 on my list and so does the other 3 Alien films.